Rangers Rumours Archive February 26 2012

 

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26 Feb 2012 23:00:24
Heard a "rumor" that loyds bank knew about the ticketus deal b4 takeover by whyte, but still pushed it through and could face investigations from the house of commons.... Watp

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Whyte has been doing this for years and has not left any paper trail.All he has done is lay 33m of his own or borrowed money in his lawyer's client account to satisfy the due dilligence check,then after it has been proved he had funds,start the ticketus deal and use that money to pay lloyds,then he replaces the money from his lawyers client account.It is that simple and legal,immoral and shady but legal.

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This comment below is for the grownups.

It was a pefectly legal transaction!

Craigy is a bounder but not a fool!

LLoyds did nothing illegal also.

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26 Feb 2012 22:47:15
Could not believe it, Gordon Smith whines about not being able to do his job, but very happy to sit there doing absolutely ZERO other than take his salary[way above most of us can dream about] and then low and behol stepsteps into being on panel for todays game, what is it with some people, the old saying ''fall into s..t and come up with your pockets full of cash''

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26 Feb 2012 22:34:54
what a difference when you dont play either papac or wallace left midfield. Team had more balance to it . I know if papac had not been suspended and wallace injured ally would have went with his usual drivel. I hope he has took note and does not revert back to playing either of these 2 players in midfield.

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It was inverness you were playing not barca,inverness were mince,

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26 Feb 2012 22:33:34
'So another week in what's actually happened, according to the pond life reporters for the like of the daily rebel,BBC and the like. Liquidation certain , small tax case up to 15 million, mass exedus of players due to cuts, even criminal charges, third party ownership of players resulting in deduction of all points, then we come to some of the pond life regulars on this site green jihad, and the like the way they have been talking usual warped, twisted ,bitterhatred of all things rangers and what has happened apart from two high end earners losing job nothing ,no redundancies, no liquidation, no 100 million tax bill nothing which only goes to prove that no information is coming out,not saying nothing will happen but this pal of a pal of a player told them is all absulute bulls**t info will be released by rep of hmrc reps of adminastration and reps of rangers fc when they are ready so no doubt they will repeat the same lies as last week but as far as is truth rangers have a tax bill of 9 million approx to pay and that is all the debt we are in ss no one knows anything concerning big tax case
l

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Where have you been mate this has been in the papers all week. It time to wake up.headsinthesand.

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I have hardly been on here you berk.so your only debt is 9m? that just shows you know nothing.by the way im no pond life mate because i can SPELL...........green jhedi

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I know what you mean. It's all just rumours. Not even the news knows. Tbh they are just scare mongerers. We'll just have to let it run due course. There is nothing we can do but hope.

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Its only 9 million i believe to date

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Heres one since wen hav we bn a 10 m a year loss ?? can anyone tell me that cw lies

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Yeah all just rumours Craig whytes a hero! Wake up!

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9m tax bill,23m ticketus deal,800k to hearts,240k for celik and running costs of around 1m per week and a cheeky 100k to dunfermilne....bit more than 9m eh

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Oooh you have hit a nerve with the pondlife. they are obsessed with Rangers, I have noticed that within minutes of a post they are on to spread their supposed superior knowledge of all things Rangers and tax law.sad sad people. aw well if they are going to spend their life on this page then read this- tainted title 2011-12 haha

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Tainted title? did we lose a 15 point lead no. so when we win title it will not be tainted as even without the 10 point drduction for cheating we r still10 points ahead

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Yeez can have yer 10 points back the league was already won before administration.........EASY.

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Was just making a point that no one knows what's going on so why do journalists and posters write lies is it wishful thinking maybe.first poster read post, green jhedi you used to be funny but now your just boring, 9 million figure fact, oh and your right I did hit a nerve with pondlife quote about green jhedi but I would like to say sorry to all pondlife sorry. And the best quote of the week devalued league brilliant

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I have hardly been on here you berk.so your only debt is 9m? that just shows you know nothing.by the way im no pond life mate because i can SPELL...........green jhedi


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You are never off here, you are OBSESSED with Rangers mate!! Oh, you can spell can you?? Jedi has no 'H' in it.....so much for you being able to spell!!
Spanker!!

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I don't read the papers , I just listen to all my Celtic mates who have much better sources and get all secret info regarding rangers first. The new one is whyte went to watch malmo with a tranny !!! Have all Celtic fans got no rumor pages to follow ? They fill ours with drivel !!!! Green jedhi are you gainfully employed ? We are in serious trouble and because of it SO IS SCOTTISH FOOTBALL.

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Ok then......original poster. If the debt is only 9 million then why was the debt reported as having been reduced from 30 million to 18 million right before the Craig Whyte takeover? 18 million plus the small tax case 4.4million, ticketus 24.4 million, unpaid PAYE and NI 15 million and then all the smaller creditors such as Hearts, Dunfermline etc. The total from those figures is over 40 million and that does not include the potential tax liability of up to 50 million.
But here's a thing, the big tax bill was served nearly 2 years ago so do you think that HMRC will stop adding interest to that? I would say no chance.

This week will see players going left right and centre and I don't mean on the park, I mean oot the front door. There will be no takeover as any businessman with any degree of savvy would wait until after the club is liquidated then buy a debt free club to start from scratch with. It is common sense.
However, continue the denial because Craig Whyte is your saviour. But let it be know that he's more than a saviour to me.

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What will be will be

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More facts to be announced tonight by the BBC.... notice no attempts this time to stop the programme.... more doom and gloam for you Hectors to denounce as pond life tales.

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Spanker; nice name,wonder where that came from....hmm. i can guess. if you dont know why the H is there ,well you must be a ...well a spanker........green jhedi

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What would my employment status mean to anything? but yes i am employed,self as it happens, hope that makes you happy.........green jhedi

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The ticketus loan was used to pay the £18 million debt to lloyds. Enjoy your TAINTED title. What's even more embarrassing for Celtic is it's taken 3 long years for you to win the league back from Rangers squad of 15 or so

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"The ticketus loan was used to pay the £18 million debt to lloyds. Enjoy your TAINTED title. What's even more embarrassing for Celtic is it's taken 3 long years for you to win the league back from Rangers squad of 15 or so"

YES, well done Sherlock Holmes so now Rangers will be short of revenue for the next 4 years to the tune of 40 million. Ya belter.

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Green brown eye.................

the spanker part was directed at your obsessed wee self.

And there IS NO 'H' in JEDI....perhaps your wee cel*ic way of thinking makes it ok to throw silent 'h's into words....no one else thinks that way, but fill yer boots sunshine.......or should that read fill yer bhoots?

lawl

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This just my opinion though, but if this tax case has been goin on for 2 year then a think HMRC don't have anything on us the fact is, if rangers were guilty then it would have been over ages ago, HMRC are only draggin this on so they can try and get somethin! i think it will be ok, for the fact that everythin in the news from rangers IS about craig whyte himself and not RANGERS. the rason for this, look at the harry redknapp case, it happened years ago and the outcome came within a week or 2 after the case was announced! don't have any problems with celtic fans on here, their basically just scaremongering us bears and with some its working but their like everybody else in the boat which is, NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT ANY DECISION! not even HMRC know. (LOYAL BEAR)

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Mummy! Mummy!

Please let it all go away!

Dead Team Walking

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26 Feb 2012 22:29:02
well.well.It would appear UEFA are about to conduct an investigation into the governance of the game in scotland.Some names who might be concerned about this are,Bain,Mcclelland and Ogillvie.Anybody see common denominator?The SFA are trying to be seen to be acting on this issue but it would seem to be too little too late.Who would have thought that "the big tax case" was about to become the least of Rangers worries? Breaching contracts with the SFA means breaching UEFA rules.The sanctions that could arise from this make tax problems seem easily solved. I expect the usual "timmy" nonsense,but if you look hard enough you will see this is for real. I think we might be approaching endgame.

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Don't talk utter p*sh! No one has proved there was 3rd party contracts! Pathetic

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I think the club will co operate openly with the sfa

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Haha source ??? more pond life am afraid

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Third party contracts? what are you gibbering about? where do you get that from? its about wrongly registered players

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The question of governance is an interesting concept. Where was the governance from the controlling authorities when Whyte managed to get control of Rangers? I would have thought that there was a responsibility on the part of both organisations to protect the member club and their fans from charlatans like Whyte. No doubt these issues will be part of the review currently being undertaken!!!

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26 Feb 2012 22:17:28
I stay in govan, just passed ibrox stadium.
Several cars outside and main floodlights on @ 10.10pm.
Anyone know what's going on tonight?

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They're lookin for a 2p that was thrown on pitch last sat..........Stevie

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Brilliant.........green jhedi

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Probably liquidators taking photos of assets they can sell on ebay

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There was a wedding party in there yesterday! I was at ibrox on friday booking my sisters 21st and the girl dealing with us said they where busy and someone was getting married at ibrox on Sunday !

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The liquidators were taking photos of assets they can sell on eBay

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That was pretty funny

CC

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26 Feb 2012 21:30:59
Was @ game today good day out but score flatered us,performance still was not fantastic against a week inverness seat belt fastend for another week in life

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Score flattered us? we deserved about 3 more goals from goal line clearances, ball crossing the line but no goals etc, don't talk rubbish.

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You must have been at a different game from terry butcher , he said it should have been 6or7 , you sure it wasnt the celtic game you wer at tim , tedbear

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Watching highlight there inverness could of scored another 3 or 4.

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I was at the game today, the team dug deep and played for the club. we dont do walking away and nor should the players , today they stood up to be counted. a good all round performance. one sad point for me was the fact that the old songs are creeping back in again. the club needs its fans but it also needs them to think of the bigger picture. we need to show potential investors that we are worth the punt, not going to do that if we are under investigation after every game. we love are past but time now to think of our future, for the sake of our club, and of decency stop the bile.

Wibblyblue

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Why you even talkin about a meaningless game, the about to be Champions helped the sand heeds out yesterday for the runners up spot.......Mind the Grand Canyon.....Stevie

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The team did play better today on the point of the singing you always get the idiots at the away games the club is trying its best we need more songs about the team and players

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You can only beat whats in front of you. thought the gers were 100 per cent today. graeme

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Aye stevie a can mind the grand canyon how? what's happened to it? LoyalLad

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"inverness could av scored 3 or 4 " ehh dont think they had 4 on target , nice on brainiac

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Its the final of the Scottish Football 'Find the Owner' competition I believe,

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Wot a tit u are with all the crap going on gers go away and score 4 and your still not happy go a support another team

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Im a Celtic fan and can even admit that was best performance (I've seen anyway) for a while, Davis looks like he's building up confidence, little and kercar did a fine job, one thing I

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One thing i did notice was McGregor's handleing looked weak, dont know whats happened to him this season.... has not been bad but was one of the best keepers in Britain last year and is looking out of sorts this year? Anyone disagree?

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26 Feb 2012 21:19:20
out with friend at weekend who works in law office they have done work for the tims in the past and he says that celtic and 4 other clubs so far are working together to present a case to sue for damages and monies lost due to missing out on cup wins higher placed finishing higher in league table and european monies they have lost out on this could be as big a case as the big tax case as any club who could have gone straight to group stages of champions league missed out on gauranteed 10 million each time rangers qualified this all hinges on rangers losing big tax case and being in breech of registration the clubs how ever are fighting over when to present this case whether to wait till admin is over or not

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Bull

Time for bed Timmy...

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Are you smoking something pal ?

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Stop talking craig whyte mate jsm

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Either you'd too much loopy juice; or yer friend knows you'll swallow anything !

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I wouldn't be surprised if this is true

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This is so funny
total pish

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Is there no limit to the levels timmy will stoop to?

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I wouldn't be surprised if this was true, and quite right too.

if rangers are found guilty of cheating, then everyone affected by it should be recompensed in some form

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There is a grain of truth in this.It's being orchestrated by mad vlad,but other clubs are loath to get into bed with him.All you people who "timmy" this remember one thing,if you had listened ONE YEAR ago you might not be in this mess.

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WTF are you taking about?? On what grounds exactly would they present a case......on the grounds that we spend more than we actually had?? If so will the likes of Man U, Barca, Real Madrid etc, etc be getting their ass's sued??.....I doubt it!.....so away and throw s*#te at yourself!

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And the caterers are suing also for loss of revenue. p/off

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So can we sue Marseille for denying us a champions league final place for bribing ref in brugges?. So did juve get sued for bribing refs by inter ?

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Have been on that super strongbow steamboat

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Try and get this....YOU PLAYED UNREGISTERED PLAYERS. the implications of this could kill rangers off

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This is very silly no other scottish club would do this it would make the spl a laughing stock why kick a fellow club when it is down ie administration

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Unregistered players what rubbish! football teams hand in teamsheets 1 hour before a game. do you suppose that after all this time and expose of the scottish game in the mhedia that someone might have noticed this before now. clubs that have done this in the cup competitions have been found out very quickly. this isnt some amateur football competition where the players are not nationally known figures. as soon as someone signs for an spl club their picture is splashed over the mhedia outlets. do you think if rangers played an unregistered player that it wouldnt be in the press the next day

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Will the clubs and HMRC who were ripped off by Celtc's "financial doping" during the 60's, 70's, 80's and early 90's when they under declared gates be claiming against them? Didn't think so...
Get back to your crack den ya dreamer...

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Well situation as I see it is SFA are saying if the letters given to the players ( that have been reported in the sun) are correct then they should have been included in the paperwork submitted at the time of registration. Failure to do so would make said players registration null and void. They could not have acted on it years ago as the information has only just come to substantiated light.

So bottom line is if this is the case they can be stripped of all monies gained for league position and face sanctions and fines from SFA and UEFA as well as having all cups and titles stripped for this period.

I think not likely to happen but never thought it would come to Administration and possible Liquidation neither.

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Have heard this rumour as well from my wife who is a law clerk at big firm and she says that is early days in this investigation but that whilst it is 5 clubs at present there has been 13 clubs approached by the company it also includes loss of revenues for relegated clubs and these claims are as big as the european monies but as the post says this case depends on proof that players were improperly registered as in two contracts as seen in yesterdays sun this would invalidate thier registrations therefore would technically unregistered would still need to argue in a court of law but would drag on for years and the reply that says mad vlad instigated this is right

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The press have been very slow to relise anything about rangers for years, when whyte arrived he was a billionare saviour only now do they pick up on his bad points.

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Absolutely pathetic however it would not surprise me if Celtic Hearts and Dundee Utd would stoop this low.

Tims are banging on about Rangers cheating what rules have been broken exactly?
How are the teams going to argue the case that they would have been in a better position had Rangers not had the extra cash.... Who would have won what and what evidence can they bring to the table to back this up?

Its all hypothetical isnt it.Whats to stop Rangers from saying ''we would just have spent more money to stop this'' because at the time that was the attitude.

I think your mate that works in the law firm was the wee cleaner at night because nothing can be proven that any team would have gained anything on Rangers had they paid their taxes.

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A bit of mixing i feel with this post bad news

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26 Feb 2012 20:31:14
So if EBTs were legislated in 2010 they were legal up to 2010?would it not be like the police trying to fine someone in 2012 for having a fag inside a pub before the smoking ban?in my honest opinion the tax case is in the bag

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EBTs were legal but the way we used them were not. It was 2 contracts roved to 1 player, 1 of which said they were entitled to a set amount f money but we tried to say this was not taxable as it was not remuneration nr part f the contract. Clearly it is and it ain't looking gd for us

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Tax case should be 'in the bag' as you say but only if we've played by the rules as I believe we have.
See my response to the rumour below. It's the 8th one from top which begins 'EBT's were legal provided....'
This explains all you need to know

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Its amazing that sum Rangers fans still dont know wot this tax case is all about. No1 is questioning weather EBT's were legal when uz used them, they were. Its the fact that uz may not have used them in the proper way.

Drew

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Still to get a proper explanation from a Celtic supporter how Rangers' EBT's were administered illegally. I'm a chartered accountant by the way.

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Why are you RFC (In administration) fans so thick, what part of EBT has always been legal but not as a method of paying wages don't you get. That is the crux of the matter and why HMRC are pursuing it.

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If you are an accountant then you should know why what rangers done was illegal.

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Are you sure that you are are CA? Highly unlikely if you cannot grasp the concept of EBT's. I will try again, they are not illegal if used properly but when they are used as a method of paying part of the contract which should be subject to PAYE and NIC it is not legal. Why else would HMRC pursue the matter. Stick to your debits and credits

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God rangers fans really are thick and gullible.craig whyte has raped your club and yous all stand back and take it,thinking rangers will never die,wake up,your club is on its knees begging for help

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CA my backside!

Even you cant be honest.

The Rangers way!

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The reason HRMC are taking RFC to court over the EBT's is because they werent used within the EBT rules and regulations.

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26 Feb 2012 18:58:03
If the EBT system was legal at the time rangers were using it are hmrc waisting there time and tax payers money with this ongoing saga?its been dragging on for ages and must have accumulated a massive bill in legal fees no doubt dipped from the coffers.

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The whole point of the case is to determine if it was or was not legal mate. Thats the purpose of court cases.

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Cause thats what HMRC do, HMRC spent millions taking Mcvities to court over Jaffa cakes saying it was a biscuit, spent 8 million taking Harry Redknapp to court. lost both cases.

a former HMRC worker

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WRONG. The legislation was changed in 2010 allowing HMRC to retrospectively claim back unpaid taxes.

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The issue is not that EBTs were legal.

The issue is that HMRC believe that Rangers were operating outside of the rules.

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EBT is always legal if used in the appropriate manner, not the way RFC (In administration) used it i.e. wages that should have been subject to PAYE etc. When is it going to sink in that is the problem.

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The EBT system is not illegal if you use it in the right way, it is illegal if you use it to avoid paying tax (cheating the public purse) which is what HMRC are trying to prove and it is all down to legal interpretaton ........... Big Dave

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EBTs were legal but not the way Rangers used them. The letters exposed in the press today basically blew rangers big tax case defence out of the water so HMRC are certainly not wasting their time.

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EBT's were legal provided you didn't pay an employees complete remuneration or bonuses into them. I'm told Rangers didn't do either. Today's Sun on Sunday says there's letters saying players appearances & twice yearly payments were paid into the EBT. That wouldn't count either provided they weren't part of their main salary.
Players took out 'loans' from the EBT & would pay the tax(which is player's responsbility) at a future given date probably 100 years from now meaning the player would die & never pay the tax. HMRC claim Rangers gave players letters saying they never had to pay tax but these letters have never been found & don't exist i.e. HMRC's case is flawed.
That's there claim against Rangers.
Note legislation stopped EBT's just over a year ago.

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There is no "legal at the time" EBT is EBT and the problem for RFC (In administration) is the fact that they used it to to pay wages which would be subject to tax and NIC. Do you guys not get this? This is the reason Murray said "for every £5 etc" so if a player was touted to Celtic and offered x amount RFC (In administration) could offer more because the EBT meant that they thought would not have to pay tax. It has come to bite you big time and i have no sympathy.

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HMRC spent £8m chasing Harry Redknapp for £300k so i guess they know what they are doing and are spending tax-payers money "wisely"

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Rangers will win ebt case cause if they dont a lot of english teams and big companies will end up in court too. and it will end up shutting down british industry. graeme and craig whyte is an ar*ehole

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I would trust HRMC before RFC anyday!

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26 Feb 2012 18:03:02
Just watching Cardiff vs Liverpool . Would love to see wee kenny back at the Gers ...even with the sitters he's missing for Cardiff...Groundhog day. Also good result today lads keep it up.

Baddad WATP...

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Nah no chance had his time then showed wot hes made of :)

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He got sold ya nugget

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Em we have no fukn muny do u know we are in administration ppl like u do ma head in we're struggling and all u think about is signing players.get a grip man

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You muppets read the post I was being sarky hence the Groundhog day comment.....if we are to get through this we need a sense of humor

Baddad

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Should never have been allowed to leave same wi boyd. graeme. and craig whyte is an ar*ehole

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26 Feb 2012 16:59:02
McCulloch whispering to the Ref after the game - asking for the Match Ball maybe ? Last off the Pitch ,waving farewell to the Fans ? - Looks like the Jig's Up !!

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Or maybe he was asking about his disallowed goal? and Clappen because it was a good game?

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Wasn't last of the pitch mate I was there!

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Trying to find things that arent really there, end of the day there were a full squad there that dont know what is going to happen yet, Big Jig would take a huge pay cut to see out til the end of administration ............ Big Dave

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Heard he and papac were willing to play for free/ severely reduced wages? If this was the case, the club would rather let them stay that than have to pay a redundancy package. Muzz

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He was asking why another perfectly good goal was not given. again.

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The players wouldn't qualify for redundancy money , they'd have to get in line with other creditors that were due monies. Due to club being in administration .

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Goal was good - cheated again!

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Look lad yes we have had a few good goal cut off this season ie celtic ,lee Wallace and today bid jig but we r rangers fans not Celtic fans we Dnt cry about wot should have been and we were cheated again no that's no us we Dnt do walking away we get the job done

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26 Feb 2012 16:39:42
just an idea why dont wee void the rest of our season ticket and say charge £20 for adults and £8 children for the rest of the home games this season to help out our team oh apart from celtic game say £28 adult/£15 child what your thoughts on that.

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Great idea and it will get much required funds into the club.

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Good idea... this would sort out the real fans, would need re-assurances that the money would be used properly and not squandered.... personally I think old firm should be higher priced though

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Sorry disagree, why put your money into a black hole? until we know what is going to happen to the club, its just pouring more cash doen the drain. been a season ticket holder 20 years and follow the team home and away, next amount of my hard earned cash going into the club, i want to make sure who's using it and what for.WATP

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And so season ticket holders would have to pat twice, but everyone else gets a discount? Don't think so mate

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Is it just tough luck for those who could not afford to pay again

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I dont see how this would "sort out the proper fans",I personally couldnt afford to pay again for the rest of the games after already paying for a season ticket for both myself and my son.While i wouldnt mind giving a donation to help the club survive i think that would be a bit excessive as money is a bit tight for everyone.I think a gesture by the highly paid players would be more appropriate.

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It was just a thought .

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Whilst this is a great idea, I think in fairness to all season ticket holders it should be a donation at each game, and let people give what they can afford.

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No point in putting in money to make the creditors pot bigger. Best thing in my opinion is give the administrators time to unravel it all. If they think that this sort of plan would help the club then i am sure they will let us know.

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Money doesnt grow in trees i will attend to my family first

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Do you want to charge a family of 4, 56 pound for tickets they have already paid for away you go.

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So the real fans that scrimp all year on low incomes to pay for a season ticket can no longer go as his book is void. Thats nice of you! Face it, the games up! The 5 stars are starting to fall off the top one by one as we speak.

Joeshmo1888

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Where was the proper fans at the cup game 30000 Mia or shopping with the mississippi
Short memory pal

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Too late, rangers went into administration almost two weeks ago because they had no funds to pay their running costs with,correct?
Since administratin their income has been a few thousand extra fans for one home game, they have NO other income, they are insolvent and will cease to trade very shortly.
It is enevitable, it is illegal for the administrators to continue to trade the company if it is insolvent and rangers are very, very close to that situation.
Jimd

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Yes I will happily pay £28 for the Celtic game it beats paying £45. CHEERS £28 pound for a party, last time at Castle Greyskules.

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Not too many fans can stump up twice its the real core working class fans who find it hard enough paying bills times are tough sorry i cant afford it

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Make it optional.....you can if u want and can afford it. Forget about being a creditor this is a donation to keep us going......administration doesn't mean everything becomes free

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Sorry cant afford it.

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I would love to help but just cant afford any extra to give

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26 Feb 2012 16:18:57
Not a major thing on the grand scheme of things but I take it that the club have lifted the ban on players and more so super ally talking to the bbc directly. He was interviewed 1-1 before and after the game today by one of their reporters.

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26 Feb 2012 15:57:49
Former Rangers director Paul Murray says he will have assembled a team of "like-minded" businessmen by the end of this week to form a consortium to take over Rangers and hopes controversial South Africa-based director Dave King will be involved.

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Under the rules,Paul Murray & David King are not allowed to be directors of any new company.To get existing company out of trouble,retain our history etc,they better be willing to start with an initial investment of around £100m.
As regards next season,if club don't come out of administration by 31st march(and administrators say it is unlikely),then we'll lose our SFA licence and therefore our SPL place.
Sorry to say it,but if we wany a club for next season,then liquidation and newco is best option,and next season is only 5 months away.

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No one will take Rangers on until the administrators have sorted out all the outstanding debts. If you do all you are doing is clearing debts that whyte run up.

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Will king pass the fit and proper person rule? i would think the SFA will be all over the application.

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Thanks for putin us all right mate , tedbear

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I heard on wed there that there was a dinner with 40 millionaires attending it to see if they were wanting to be part of the consortium so hopefully it will happen than a 1 single man owning rangers info from an inside ibrox informer

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To the person who stated that King would not pass the fit and proper person rule - the sfa did a great job on that one with Craig Whyte and Vladimir Romanov! The rule does not exist it is written but has never been acted on another great job by the SFA. I can give you £20 million reasons why Dave King is better man than Whyte

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1 st why wouldn't king pass a virtually non existant test? Innocent until proven guilty. Also did ridsdale wait 5 years before being a director at another club?

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The 31st march and being out of admin is for a place in europe next season, not the SPL. Try again Timothy. 54v42

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Utter bull murray can be new director as he wasnt listed when we went into admin more people talking rubbish when they know nowt

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2 posts above.If you can be bothered looking up SPL rules you'll find SFA licence also renewed 31st March.

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Murray was director in past 5 yrs.That excludes him.As for King.he's still a director so out also.It's in the rules if you can be bothered to check.

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They will not be directors they will be shareholders like the rest of the consortium which will also include members from major overseas supporters clubs, narsa ect. ect. like i stated on this site before no one will be allowed to own rangers outright again so this blows the fit and proper person rule out the window. col.

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King and Murray haven't actually been disqualified being directors , that's a totally different matter.

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One question where were all of these rangers minded people when the Club was up for SALE before Whyte took over? No one in their right mind would buy Rangers at this time. They may take over after the Club has been liquidated as then they owe no one any money as the will start up as a new Club.

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Where is Dave king getting the money for this considering his money is frozen by the south African government due to his unpaid £200 million tax bill.

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Is that like the like minded people we had before.

No thanks

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26 Feb 2012 15:16:58
Heard a rumour ed that mcculloch and papac have said they will play for nothing till the end of the season and Davis and mcgregor are thinking about it too heard anything ?? {Ed001's Note - only rumours, nothing concrete, often players will defer wages, that is common when the team is in admin.}

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26 Feb 2012 14:42:23
Once source with knowledge of Whyte’s business affairs has told Sportingintelligence in the past 24 hours that even Whyte’s statement of last week contained misleading information, and that in fact Whyte never actually proved to Murray and Lloyds that the £33m existed; rather the source says he demonstrated to them that it apparently existed, but he stopped short of actually showing the evidence of a bank account with that sum of money in it. what i dont understand is why did murray an loyds sell if there was no proof in abank acount if i want to buy a business av got to prove av got that money whyte just walked in without this prof

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The guy just gets better and better,all hail mr whyte. ha ha,kb-bhoy

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Could it be that sir david was in a rush to get the deal done " with or without"due diligence"hmmmmmmmmmmm

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Murray wanted out and Lloyds wanted their money

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26 Feb 2012 14:37:17
Ed has McKay left yet. I know a fee has been agreed but havent heard that he has now gone {Ed001's Note - I believe he has gone now.}

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26 Feb 2012 13:11:11
Under-17 team coach Alan Kernaghan has left Ibrox to join Uwe Rosler's backroom team at League One club Brentford and more job cuts through out the week. On the bbc and they have been pretty reliable with information

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Posted that earlier within another rumour. The first loyal hector to leave the sinking (or should it be stinking) ship.

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Celtics inside Goon at the BBC Chris mclaughlin reported this on the morning before Rangers play. Nice try Chris. Here is a good idea to raise cash for our club and at the same time stick two fingers up at the other clubs who have made snide comments about us. Why dont Rangers open Ibrox for away games at say £10 a ticket, with 5 or 6 away games left thats acool £3 million, im a bit worried that not enough is being done to raise cash, and we need the fan groups to lead the way now, rather than wait till it's too late. The pledge is a good idea and I can understand why they set a minimum of £500, but it's time to raise cash now and from all fans, opening ibrox for away games with no fans going to away games makes sense to me.

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You are going to get 50,000 fans in ibrox to watch the game on the tv? optimitstic

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To beam back games to Ibrox costs money.....you don't have any..... so your Idea is lame

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The idea is to raise cash to help the club through till the end of the season, so I would like to think the fans would turn out for the cause. It's not a big ask. I also know a lot of fans have been asking what they can do to help.

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Fact now

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26 Feb 2012 12:47:29
Just lookin at all these hilarious posts from the rhockets banging on about jelly and ice cream parties when rangers die.Its no gonna happen rangers will strike a deal with hmrc and creditors and be taken over by a wealthy consortium of businessmen/tycoons with rangers at heart with history intact and still the most domestically successfull club in world football.I agree we won't see 12million pound players again we will invest in squad and i feel will have 2 have better structure in place to bring talent through from youth level to develop to 1st team stars on a more consistent basis.let the morons have there jelly and ice cream this season and enjoy every tainted mouthful because the tables will turn..and they will be on here crying about conspiracys against them.

WE ARE THE PEOPLE

jacko

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Hows the weather in Inverness? thought all you boys would be up there

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Its only Hector Butcher helping out his fellow Hectors... He is most likely to become the new manager when Glasgow Hectors 2012 are formed

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On the old laptop mate ..chin chin,keep up the bad humour,like water off a ducks back to us......trueblue.......

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Whacko Jacko you've been drinking paint stripper........ Stevie

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Haha about time you gave up with this tainted title rubbish. Celtic would still be well out in front even if Rangers hadn't gone into administration, they were top before you went in and they overturned a 15 point lead you had. Tainted title, its Rangers being investigated over how they're titles were won.

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How can anyone select Unbelievable to the posters comment .. Makes me laugh as all the Celtic fans on here are wishing this to happen . Wonder Why that is i know .... so you can have an easy life and win every year .. Rangers will not go under to big an Establishment to go under .. Also Celtic Fans seem to be spending more time reading the Rangers Page than there own Clubs Page .. Worry about your own Club lads . It has taken HMRC distaction , Dodgy Goals for you lot from Glasgow's East to get where you are just now .. Enjoy while it lasts ..

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Unbelievable. Even at the edge of the abyss you still think a sugar daddy is going to turn up and bail you out after all this time?

HMRC distraction and dodgy goals? HMRC wouldnt be distracting you if you hadnt spent years cheating.

What dodgy goals are you talking about mate?

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Yes rangers will be back with a better team without craig whyte at the helm.Money does not mean good players,there reserve team will beat celtic no bother.SCORE RANGERS 3 CELTIC 0 That will tell the boys from the wee lassies.COME ON THE GERS.

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Dont you understand berks like you will cause your demise? HMRC refused a 13m offer in jan'11,todays paper shows there are letters to prove EBT's were wages and you still post rubbish

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Theres more creditors and no one in scotland has 150m to get a club back on its feet rd..........AS

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Most successful club in the world.. will you still be when SFA looks into illegally registerd player over the past 20 years ans I believe your club is going to be stuck in by 1 campbell Ogilvie one of your own..... think on to Juventus who did same thing...Stripoped of every title and cup they had won during the period of cheating and relegated so Dream on you will Die and You WERE the people

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Neil lennon's Legacy when he gets sacked next season will be winning one tainted title.

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That`s Right Jacko you are the people ! who didnt pay your TAX BILL. This Title will never be tainted. But the ones you won when u fiddled ur accounts and players tax will always be when your "friends " at the SFA get their mits into you . Almost forgot with a bit off luck so will UEFA

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If liquidation happens we will have to take it on the chin , as long as the fans stick by the club in the next couple of tough. years , at the end of the day taxes have to be paid ,but theres worse crimes happened in scottish football and in society that have beee swept under the carpet without as much of a whimper , we will take whats coming to us and emerge stronger eventually. , tedbear

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With the Hectors having no money and after this week, fewer players, wee lennie might be thinking of staying and getting ten in a row. Hectors will be lucky if they are celebrating still being a club in 12 months time.

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First old firm game of the season when both teams had fully fit squads 4-2 going on 10-2 that says it all really

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Still same old celtic fans never stop winging ON @ ON about being cheated out of somthing,when will they ever dry there eyes.Even when ahead still complain,anyone would think they were angels.Spit out the dummy KNOW.

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To all the RFC (In administration) fans, head out of sand springs to mind. You reap what you sow and the Sun newspaper says it all so don't talk about tainted titles when they are taken off you. It doesn't matter what is said you just don't believe it RFC (In administration) soon to be RFC (In liquidation). Reported for your sectarianism and more fines to follow, the "we are the people" syndrome has got you into this mess and unless you all wise up will continue to do so. Newco on the horizon.

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If ths title s tainted, how many f rangers titles should be amen off them? And by the way, HMRC are not doing a deal, or anything less than he entire amount you are due, how many times do you have to be told

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Sorry Hector but next old firm will be the last the previously mighty Glasgow Rangers will play in. Any new team of Hectors will take years to have a team anywhere near the standards of the bhoys.

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To all those daft wee celtic fans texting make most of your year.IT WILL BE YOUR F--k--- LAST.true blue from THE BIG HOUSE which will always be there for ever,COME ON THE GERS.

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Rankers FC. Fiddling taxes since 1872. Playing the tainted title card is just embarrassing. Everyone saw us overturn a 15 point gap and since you went into administration have widened that gap by a further 10 points by us winning and you failing to. HMRC will not accept any deals their policy is clear, pay up or close up. Good luck rising up threw the leagues with no money, no players, no facilities.

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Was that your dream last night?wake up,murry tried to sell rangers for years with no big money men intrested and that was without the tax case been known,so what makes you think there will be now.liquidation is now a cert to happen,rangers fans need to wake up.i am a celtic supporter who doesnt want rangers to die

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"daft wee Celtic fans" another one who is totally delusional, your club is down the tubes and lurches from one crises to another on a daily basis, Celtic on the other hand have a strategy in place and will dominate for years to come. The 5 star ginger beer stars (what a laugh) will soon disappear and the removal treatment for all you silly billy's could save your club.

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Haha all the seliks fans coming on and saying rangers to be stripped of there titles....what for using EBT's that were legal during the time we were using them? along with several other top european clubs, celtic were also in debt back then like us...so were celtic cheating using the banks money...like us? EBT's were only made illegal in january...so you do the math, looks like we may gave done nothing wrong...then what will you lot say? will use look for soemthing else to start moaning about how use have been cheated? and accept if rangers were to go down(which we wont) it would be the worst thing that can happen for ur club and for the joke that is the SPL. I think saying the title is tained is alot of jibberish from us, but it no doubt ruined the season for everyone involved, and surely as a team yous would prefer to win it beating us without a 10pt deduction.

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We are winning it without 10 point deduction we are 10 clear without it silly

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Yeah but obv it would have had an adverse effect on the rangers dressing room, going from only 4 behind neck and neck to being 14 behind, and if rangers win there game in hand technically use are only 7 points ahead 'silly' and if we win at ibrox its back to the way it was

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McShagger, Davis and sh*ttiker aren't even owned by the club. Third party ownership is illegal in the SPL and Whyte knew that. I wonder how many players in the Rankers team are on these contracts. Simple, Rankers have lied and cheated behind the scenes for years and now they're paying for it big time. Dodging taxes, EBT's, third party ownership. Liquidation is a real possibility.

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You don't have a clue, yes EBT is legal if used the way it is supposed to be. Take your head out of the sand RFC (In administration) used it to pay WAGES subject to PAYE and NIC, there lies the problem. If it was used in the appropriate manner HMRC would not be looking for the tax. I know it hurts but that is the reality and all the posturing will not make it go away. Brace yourself for the inevitable liquidation.

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It's either pure arrogance or sheer gullibleness from the rangers fans to think that a billionaire will come in and rescue them it's not going to happen! They really do not understand the damage they are doing by standing by and act like sheep waiting on it getting fixed. The reality is is that rangers will be liquidated and I can't believe they can't see that

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Typical arrogant Rangers fans, They call a title that is won by playing to the rules, "tainted". Yet boast of their trophies, a lot of which seem to have been won by cheating. I think according to this logic, I would rather win a tainted title.

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A celtic fan talk talks of a STRATEGY its not that long ago LENNY the manager was going to through in the towel.Where was his STRATEGY then.Let none of you celtic persons forget this rangers will @ I repeat WILL come back from all of this even stronger and show celti what defeat is all about. No doubt you will all be SCREAMING UNFAIR CHEATING BAD REFS DECISIONS UNFAIR OR BIAS COMENTS PAPERS STORIES ECT ECT the list is endless. WE ARE THE REAL PEOPLE. COME ON THE GERS. BRING IT ON.

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Aye remember only a few months back when parkheed couldnt get more than 25 thousand in it at league games, where were all ur 'fans' then your team and club is a joke, you say weve cheated when use dont even know the result of a tax case what will use say when we win it?? eh? like ive said before when celtic were in debt and signing guys like ur manager for 6 million of the banks money was that cheating also? every club i nthe world is the same, rangers are just the first of many to feel the full brunt of 10 years of financial mismanagement, weve overspent yes, just like every top club in the country and in europe if only like man utd everyone could get away with 600 million in debt eh!

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Most clubs like man utd are in debt yes, but they haven't been fiddling their taxes like Rankers have been, yes Celtic may have overspent on players, but we've still payed our taxes. you see a pattern yet?? tax tax tax!!

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Again ignoring what i said....rangers havent been found guilty of anything yet, so you cannot sit and mouth off information which you have no backing, yes CRAIG WHYTE for the last year seems to be have not been paying the tax which i agree rangers should be paying back in full, and he will need to answer questions as to why this has happened, but the players have still been paying it through there payroll for the last year and Mr Whyte has not been dealing with it the way he shud , not the players fault, so let me ask if rangers win the tax case, are you lot going to come on here and apologise? or still come on and spout comments which are either plain dumb or sheer bitterness

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If rangers win the tax case I'll ride my flying pig to Ibrox and hand Rangers captain Leo Messi the League trophy! haha.

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20 minus 10 is still ten points clear! We threw away a 15 point lead. Administration hasn't killed us the team and the manager did that

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26 Feb 2012 12:33:32
is it not in HMRC best interest to get the tax bill result out as soon as possible that way any potential consortium knows where we stand and maybe take over the club and every one conserned gets their money or most of it anyway and we move on as a club and get rid of mr tight ....bigt

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HMRRC have absolutely NO control over when the case is concluded by the judges sitting on the case. The only way HMRC could possibly delay any decision is to submit further evidence. The judges have the right to refuse either party the right to appeal their decision if no further evidence is forthcoming so it would be in Rangers interest for a comprehensive trial now especially if we win the case. Anyone who thinks we are more or less likely to win the case than we were six months ago are guessing as Judges never give tip offs!!

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No further evidence can be submitted the FTT will base their decision on what has been led in evidence. Yes it is the Tribunal who will decide and not HMRC

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26 Feb 2012 12:11:10
Gregg Wylde is not playing because of a clause in his new contract that means he will be entitled to an extra £2000 per week wages if he plays so many games

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Utter bullsh*t

TB

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Utterly shambolic, a disgraceful state of affairs

james rfc 1980

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Not because he is terrible then?

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If that is the case why bring him on for the last 5 min then?..... another lie another day on this site. pennyboy

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He must have the same source as every other ceptic fan on here,i smell sh*te.

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26 Feb 2012 12:03:47
saverangers.com

Now we now this is not a hardendee guarantee of cash for the club but saverangers.com does give the money men and potential consortium owners an inkling as to what the fans would be willing to do.

The membership has stuck at 13,080. Good on all 13,080 but are we saying that's the loyal number we are dealing with?

Are some fans still thinking there is a miraculous end to this? Let's show the intentions of our fans, show interested parties that we will have our say in running our club and we will never have a Murray or Whyte-type mismanaging again. We could do 130,080 not 13,080.

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Think its worth a mention that every pledge doesn't have to be £500 +, If everyone put in £10 or £20 then it would still come to a great amount.

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How many of the hectors will actually come up with the money they promise, I also believe the bhoys have seriously high jacked the sight.... views please.

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Fans have lost a lot of confidence in the guardians of the club past, present and future!

They have betrayed our trust.

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Awe Please, Awe gonnay, Ah beg yea, it's that sad us tims are joining up just tae rub it in13.080, yeas will be lucky tae see that many loyal supporters through your gates again. HH

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Come on bears join the www.saverangers.com lets get these numbers up its for the good of the club every little donation makes a difference .show your support to this please

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And loads of those pledges are from other clubs fans taking the mickey'! AS And thats a fact......AS

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A lot of rangers fans i speak to aren't willing to put any money on the table. they have already pledged future season ticket money and are not prepared to put in any more. our debt could reach 80million and if so liquidation is certain.

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The Company that manages this website have. Een filtering out the Tims - easy to spot with 1m donations and jelly and ice. Ream enail addresses etc. so sign up now! This is our chance to show we are the best fans in te world!

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If there are celtic muppets hijacking the save rangers site, they could be assisting the resurrection of this great club as any potential buyers could be gauging the strength of support by looking at this site

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What yous waiting for bears help the club its time of need

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. This is the best entertainement ever. I mean, after the world events of last year, to start this year with a long, melodramatic, drawn out tragi-comedy like this is just what the sane, good honest tax paying scotsmen, women and children need. Thank You Murray, Whyte, McCoist, and the rfc fans, we salute you!

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The previous post made me laugh. Best entertainment ever! Lets just be clear here, kids don't pay tax ya fanny. Let's all rally round the rangers WATP

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Wheres this money going to end up this would be ok if all our debts were getting settled not to sure about this

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Ive spent enough money thro out the years i cant afford it we need 4 or 5 big money men in charge

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This site is not the solution to our problems

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Im putting £25 a week aside during this administration, i will donate it or buy shares or what ever with it ive registered my intent at saverangers.com, ive paid enough as alot of us have but if it means saving the club im in all the way, now isnt the time to moan about what you have done its the time to show what you will do. put your money on the table and lets try and get a large say it club affairs with it, if its a £1 or £10,000 it all helps-SAVERANGERS.COM
stg

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Good point and i agree but will the money go into a new rangers because the money we owe seems to be spirraling out of control fact

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26 Feb 2012 11:02:26
Good morning fellow bears, I have been thinking that we must start looking to making donations directly to our glorious Gers. I know that there is a web site where you can pledge funds, but this is to gauge interest in a share buyout and not the immediate saving of our club. I beleive that if we cannot provide funds liqudation will happen and then the scrap for power will begin. If you feel the same way as me please hit 'believe'. If we can get a good response I will post the question direct to the club. Please Please dont sit back and watch the demise of our club. Rangers FC forever.

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I'll sign up if I can have a share of what you make..... I can smell a scam here.

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But if we donate at the moment, is it not just going to whyte?

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It aint going to whyte but we are better off going into liqudation and coming back as rangers 2012 with no debt we would get straight back into the spl as we are needed for sky FACT and also need for other clubs bar celtic for away games and we wont lose our history either as it didnt happen to celtic in 84 when they changed there name another FACT no matter what the unwashed says an if u do lose ur history it means the manky mob have not 1 the big 1

i dont think we can get thru this without liqudation


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We only have 13000 'pledging' so how many do you think will actually give money it's been a bad show from so called 'loyal bears'

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This is the time to show how much you love the club come on people WATP

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In response to the first reply (Smell A Scam), what a person you are !!. Do you think for one minute it wouldn't be done in a fit and proper manner with the administrators in charge of setting it up. The administrators have aready stated that the fans need to support the club through these hard times. It's up to us, why wait until liqudation happens and then start looking for answers. There are clearly 2 choices, stand by and watch the club die or get up off our backsides and do something about it instead of winging all the time.

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Should all you loyal fans no be in Inverness?.....Stevie

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Where are you mob of hectors going to get the type of money the adminstrators need. I thought the government were cutting back on crisis loans to hectors on the dole.

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TB... get a real life.... Celtic never went into any type of admininstartion in 1994, we went close, could have happened but it didn't.
If Rangers 2012 is formed, you lose all your history, your status in europe etc.
You in fact become a new club, yes they may invite you into the SPL that would be good business, but you would not qualify, under the current rules, for europe for the next three years. (ed can you give us some comment please) atim. {Ed001's Note - if they become a new club there would be no European ban. Why would there? It would be a completely new entity.}

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Ed... Think your wrong... The newly formered Rangers would have to be in the SFA for three years before being elligable to qualify for a european certificate.... source scotsman 15/02/2012. {Ed001's Note - I was asked if they would be banned, nothing regarding whether they would need to be there to qualify.}

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Get a grip here , don't give ANY money to rangers at the moment . Where is it going to end up and what is it going to get spent on ?. I certainly wouldn't want any more of my cash going to HMRC or Craig Whytes leaving doo ! We pay our ticket money , we support the club and we expect a well run club for our cash . Ok if an apeal went out for a certain amount of cash for a certain thing then fair enough ......but at the moment it would be throwing good money after bad .

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Starting from the next away game we should start a boycott to give the diddy teams an idea of what life without the gers would be like. we only need to go to ibrox to show our loyal why would we need to go to away games, the money doesn't go the club

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Another one of your songs thats meaningless drivel, follow follow (but only to ipox).......Stevie

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Ed, thanks for your comment.

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Mr whyte is still in charge

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Boycot are you for real the team needs the support no wonder we get a bad name sometimes

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26 Feb 2012 10:43:03
Andrew Wynne has held talks with the administrators at ibrox and is believed to be monitoring the situation at the moment. I'm unsure, but would imagine that he will be fronting a consortium interested in taking over at the gers. I see there are a few others on here who have heard of him. Anyone any further info on Wynne?

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The only info on him is that he and Scott Allen are putting a package together, not sure if there is any other guys in this takeover bid. Promising times ahead guys!

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How much is Andrew wynne worth and who is he

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It doesnt matter how much he is worth we aint gona get a sugar daddy like chelsea man city get ur heid oot the clouds if u do think that
i thought celtic fans were thick

TB

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In response to TBs post, surely we would be in a better position just now if we had asked the same question about Whyte?

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Take overs,,,,consortiums.....when are people going to learn these things will only happen IF they clear all the debt oweing due to admin...admin does not mean that you can buy the club and the debts just go away or you can wipe them out with a token ammount. you will need someone prepared to spend approx 150 million between now and the next 4 years to then try to make a profit and for those who cant figure it out.no season ticket money no catering revenue for 4 years no europe for next year at least......so keep dreaming teddy bears for your blue knight coming over the hill with a fistful of cash....it's not happening

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26 Feb 2012 10:31:22
Would appear to be some truth in this one. I've heard that this guy Wynne is involved in discussions with the administrators.

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26 Feb 2012 10:01:01
Ed: any news on when "big case" tribunal will report? Heard rumours of "early next week" again. I see some discussion about it down the page. I think most would agree that getting this result, either way, will be better than this interminable wait in the land of limbo.

If a verdict was reached in January wtf are we actually waiting for?!? Is anything further actually happening with it meantime?!? Like most things Rangers, none of it really makes much sense. The never-ending hearsay and conjecture from these media wallies who in actuality know no more than us is beyond tiresome. LET'S HEAR THE DECISION PLEASE! {Ed001's Note - the only date I have heard given as a possible/probable one, is April.}

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26 Feb 2012 07:57:47
Good news fellow bears, greegsy and Davis offer to play for free till end of season, then get sold.

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Then get sold,whats good about that??

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First true blue to leave the sinking ship was Assistant Coach Alan Kernahan.... The first sign the rats fear the danger.

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Give the younger players a chance the league is finished

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