Rangers Rumours Archive April 28 2012

 

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28 Apr 2012 23:05:39
Just heard the sfa have threatened Douglas park with legal action because he as asked for his company name parks of Hamilton to be removed from sfa website

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This doin the rounds on various web sites if it true take a bow Mr park

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Eh! Mr Park embarassed to be associated with TBK or Scottish Football ---- let the fans decide?

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SFA have paid him good money. He can pay it back.
It was reported on DR comments by a guy on Facebook that Douglas Park group owe £41m on their balance sheet.
That's why he's not chipping in to Rangers .

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How do we all know this, OW THATS RIGHT, this is a Rumours site, the main word being RUMOURS

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I'm sure the SFA wouldn't have a problem with that at all. It's advertising for him, no loss to the SFA.
Mr Parks could be losing all custom , except Rangers fans through this. I won't be buying my BMWs from him again if it's true.

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Would be ironic if SFA and other clubs boycotted Parks of Hamilton and used other coach companies for their transport!

Also interesting if one of the saviours is also heavily in debt

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He is building a luxury mansion in Strathaven, and his partner is pregnant, the company may be sold as he speaks of retiring

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It is well known that Park is in financial difficulty. My sis works in one of his showrooms doing paperwork and has been told there could be closures of some showrooms.

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This seems to be acurate in what you say.Will he take a cut in wages to save jobs at his Bothwell road headquarters in Hamilton

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28 Apr 2012 22:20:09
Anyone heard the Trump jr one kicking around that's the latest ... The airport bear

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Is he going build a golf course where ibrox lies?

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If you thought Whyte was a shark Trump and son are in a different league. They never spend their own money and are only interested in profit. This would be a disaster

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Ffs,I know this is a rumour site but half you guys should work for the KGB propaganda dept

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If brian kennedy gets us weve got a guy with more wealth tham trump,its not about cash i dont care about how much we spend as long as we are restored as scottish footballs top force again and it wont take alot to take over our weak neighbours

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To true. The trumps. Would make whyte look like a man of morals. Wen will people realise. The vast majority of people with vast riches. Only have that because they r nothing but. Vultures. And predators who only look at a venture with the intention of making more money whatever the cost to others

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Gettingn silly know

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Brian Kennedy has more dough than Donald Trump? Mate you should do some legwork before making foolish comments like that.

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Infact here I've just done it for you. Brian kennedy estimated wealth 300-350 million. Donald Trump estimated wealth 2.9 BILLION. your welcome.

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BK with more cosh than Trump ? LMAO - It's only stilled call NYC because Congress won't let him pay to change it FFS!

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Don't care how much you spend?

Thats how you got into this position in the first place! In some respects the transfer embargo is a good way to stop you repeating the same mistakes.

Equally talk like that is why the other clubs are meeting to discuss sanctions should you be allowed to stay in the SPL, having been guilty of financial doping for years, there can be no justification to allow Rangers to walk away from them debt leaving creditors (including football clubs) out of pocket as you running up more debt, assuming anyone gives you credit!

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You do know an American "BILLION" is the same as 100 million in pounds!?!
2.9 "BILLION" equates to 290 million, ergo Kennedy is richer!
Anyway, Trump Snr or Jnr ain't buying, so both of you Weeesht!

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If its true you could be called trumpets instead of numties

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In British English, a billion used to be equivalent to a million million (i.e. 1,000,000,000,000), while in American "English it has always equated to a thousand million (i.e. 1,000,000,000). British English has now adopted the American figure

Trump is miles richer than Kennedy - what teddy are you hugging mate?

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28 Apr 2012 21:49:24
spoke to my my mate tonight
he was talking to the father of the guy
who exposed whyte. Mr Murry may be behind the whole thing and to expect an
announcement sometime Monday
don't know if its good or bad news.

fingers crossed its good news.

bear in the bay

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This post is so confusing, Im confused to what to reply lol

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How can it be good if murray is behind the whole thing ? it borders on fraud.

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I have my fingers crossed, just not in the fashion you propose, you may be unwell.

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Nah, scam to intelligent to blame PM, he would get some one else to pay for it. Oh yes.....

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Who has been exposing themself ?

Don't tell me, its D&Ps, they have been accised of just about everything else.

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Only news on Monday is that Miller has preferred bid status. Then he lOses 500k when he later pulls out after BTC and other stuff surfaces.

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Have always suspected sir minty and CW in cahoots, has he been paid to be a patsy and DM moves back in when the dust has settled?

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Anyone using the internet could have outed whyte, nowt to do with anyone at Ibrox - they were too busy covering it up.

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28 Apr 2012 20:39:22
I read some where this week that Bill Miller is coming to Glasgow next week. Anybody else no anything about this?

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Three questions to be answered please

1. As ally knew the identity of the panel what was the function of his demand to name them?

2. Ally himself and other rangers men have stated Rangers should be punished. They don't like the current sanctions. What should the punishment be for their misdemeanour's?(please don't say fines as these will not be paid.

3. Should rangers (or celtic) be treated as a special club or should the league adopt an equitable approach to all clubs? {Ed022's Note - 1: Because Ally was being an arse, and in all fairness I have no logical explanation to why he asked their names. 2: The letter of the law to any other club would have probably been to kick them out of the league. 3: All clubs should be equal, but the SPL and SFA know how important Rangers and Celtic are to an already dying league.}

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Their punishment should be increased every time they deluded try to intimidate. If RFC disrupt any game or football function, the fine and punishment must increase.

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this country has the right to protest, so the "Deluded" as you put it have every right, Also priyyt sure the gers are annoyed because othe rteams in admin never had such tough sanctions (Motherwell, Dundee ETC) also the sheer fact that the SFA choose to release these sanctions on the same day as a preffered bidder was being announced, which hinndered the proccess on a number of occasions, know you tell me, if that way your team, would you not do the same? and dont say know because we all know you would.

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Regarding an increased punishment, should this apply to Celtic, Lennon must be due a 12 month ban now.

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To the OP: know, I don't.

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Lennon like rangers must accept his punishment, i could write a book about rangers misdemeanour's, from the boardroom to the fanbase. save your initmidation, the club is finished

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The the poster who said "SFA choose to release these sanctions on the same day as a preffered bidder was being announced, which hinndered the proccess" seeing that allegedly the bids have subsequently been increased since that date, would prove otherwise. However the timing still sucked.

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For the last time. The SFA rules changed a year ago. All 72 clubs agreed to the changes. Rangers are the first club to come under these new rules.

Secondly, the punishment was not for going in to administration so it doesn't matter what happened to the other clubs!

Thirdly, the SFA went soft on you. Would you rather have lost your licence and not been allowed to play in any Scottish league? I'm sure Spartans would love to have your place.

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28 Apr 2012 19:32:24
Seems to me TBK and BK are intentionally putting in bids they know will not be accepted so when it does come to liquidation or forming a newco they have the fans backing over Bill Miller.
Although this is not the preffered option i believe TBK and BK know a newco scenario is now inevitible and are just looking to stall miller's bid and appease the fans, especially considering TBK and BK joint bid is no better than their individual bids were.
What are your thoughts Bears?

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Yeah I think we'll be liquidated. They don't have to go cva. I know wed like them too but either way were stitching someone up. Hey were not the first and def won't be the last. I wonder how many Celtic fans spend their time on Southampton Portsmouth Leeds Motherwell Dundee bradford Leicester sites giving them stick.

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I agree. Kennedy and the Knights are slippery chancers, remind me of Craig Whyte. At least the american has been honest.

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Those clubs aren't Celtic's rivals, daftie, and Rangers fans would be all over the Celtic site doing the same if Celtic were in this mess instead of Rangers.

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I didnt spend any time on thoses websites because we dont hate them unlike you he he he

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At the end of the day you are our rivals and we like the banter, a lot of us are hoping you come out the other side of this so the banter can continue for many more years. It wouldnae be the same without you.

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New addition to rangers menu administrone soup and you can get it liquidised,

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At last someone know`s what they are talking about.

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At the end of the day,the banter doesn't matter.Liquidation is inevitable.We may not have a club to support next year.Big question is:
If a New club can be formed and can meet the criteria to play in Scottish football next season,will you support it.It will be a new club,no history,etc.It's a personal choice.

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Of course they're not putting in low bids to win the fans over, they already have the fans, why would a low bid win anybody over? what drivel. They're bids are probably not good enough, but it is as much as they can do. A few more twists and turns in this I'm afraid. SPL tomorrow, what new obstructions can they impose on the process, for the good of Scottish football, I wonder. BM will be shaking his head in bewilderment, Ah SFA he'll say, now I get it, it stands for it's Sweet F*** Adams/All. They're happy with that, mission accomplished SFA.

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Agreed. Their bids TBK and BK are a sham.

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Wait and see, no one knows whether the bids are good or indifferent, the papers are paid to guess but they do not know.
All these unofficial leaks are just rumours, administrators do not discuss the acceptability of bids in public.

At the moment I still believe a CVA is feasiblle but I accept it may be getting close to a coin toss. Millers bid was not the best before BK joined TBKs, I hardly see his bid being higher than the two combined.

If BK has come on board to financially replace Ticketus then a CVA is possible.

Anorak

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So it's cos rangers are rivals? And there i was thinking you all cared about soldiers going without? And the queen not getting her taxes? And hospitals missing out? Cos that's what's been rammed down our throats since Feb. All of which happened when any company or football club falters on tax payments. Dafties

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SDM knocked back TBK in 2011 because he accused them of trying to buy RFC on the cheap. That's a fact - check the history. He's doing it again. Future history will confirm.......Oh what big eyes you've got grannie, oh what a big mouth you've got grannie (quote: little red white and blue riding hood to the The Blue Wolf).

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SDM was wrong, Rangers wasn't worth what CW paid for it, Paul Murray offered a cheap price because he had first hand knowledge the company was actually insolvent if they didn't get to the CL group stages. They didn't and from that moment they became insolvent, they had to use HMRC contributions to trade.

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Murray offered SFA in 2011 as he has in 2012 despite RFC being worth less in 2012 SFA. Apologies to Scottish Football Association or any other abbreviation of an organisation or company except a swear phrase.

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Rangers was worth £1 in 2011, and now its worth less.

You can nt expect bidders to pay fortnes for a club that has a very limited potential to make money, its not a hobby, its a business.

SDM ran it like a hobby which is why Rangers have potential debts of 135 million pounds. Unfortunately the tax payer seems to have paid most toward SDM's folly, in both senses of the word.

Anorak.

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I think if you read my post correctly i never said low bids will win over the fans i was actually pointing out it seems they are putting in bids they know and have already been told are unacceptable, my point being they want to be seen trying to achieve a CVA but why aren't they putting enough in the pot to acheive one?

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I have followed Rangers all of my life and I want to make this point. If we take either a CVA of liquidate we are welching on our debts!

I don't care if it's legal IT IS NOT MORAL!

For me this is not a football issue. We read about this sort of stuff all the time. Builders going bust leaving half finished jobs while putting their assets in their wives names. We owe the money we should pay the money.

I log on to this site several times a day and am embarassed by many of the posters who talk about how strong we will be when we weasle out of paying our debts.

We are creating a situation were we weaken most of our rivals by stealing their money and then as if by magic we are suddenly solvent and expect everything to be as it was. I am disgusted by this attitude.

I would rather the club spent 10 years struggling to get by while we pay the people we owe, than go for a quick immoral financial fix.

The signing embargo shouldn't worry us we should be holding on to the players we have!

Do we really want to spend the rest of our lives hearing our great club lumped together with FAREPAK Hampers and Bernard Madoff, I know I don't

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P Murray has been like a little kid at Christmas wanting an expensive toy his parents cannot afford. He cannot afford Rangers. Neither the BK or Brian K will ever put up front £500k. Murray doesn't represent the fans where was he and Brian K today at the rally? Protesting the sanctions? Not real fans. Miller is our man! He has a great original plan to get rid of debt. Murray didn't even have ideas never mind cash.

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Why would the blue knights intentionally bid low to stall the process? they obviously don't have the financial clout to buy your disaster of a club, David Murray started the downfall of your club and Whyte obviously doesn't care, he wouldn't pay child support ffs so why would he pay bills that were run up under David Murray and that Paul Murray was on the board when all this tax scamming was going on! By the way your club got off very lightly in its punishment, any other club outwith the old firm would have been expelled from the spl

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TBK original bid involved Ticketus allowing the debt in part to be paid back over time, plus lending them £10m for cash flow.

Now they are wanting to use £7m that is not theirs and inbetween times they couldn't (wouldn't) stump up £500k for preffered bidder status highlights a worrying pattern of not having their own money to spend on the club

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So it's cos rangers are rivals? And there i was thinking you all cared about soldiers going without? And the queen not getting her taxes? And hospitals missing out? Cos that's what's been rammed down our throats since Feb. All of which happened when any company or football club falters on tax payments. > You're the daftie I am afraid, seems you were too cool for school.

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So let me get this right. SDM told the BK where to go because they tried to buy Rangers on the cheap, THEN he goes and sells Rangers to CW for a pound. Nurse where's my medication. Catweazle-talkingbone.

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28 Apr 2012 18:24:54
Administrators in secret talks to kill off Rangers.

Clark and Whitehouse have held secret meetings with Craig Whyte and his father and have confirmed they plan to liquidate Rangers.

The latest renewed bid by The Blue Knight's and BK will be thrown out no matter what even if it tops the bid by Bill Miller.

Liquidation has always been the end game Bears, we've been done up like kipper's. {Ed022's Note - I'd recommend you to the Conspiracy site if you're interested in them?}

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LOL, Clearly s pissed off fans how is upset that if there team was in our situation, they would not have the same protest or dedicated players, Ed why should thid not be in the dodgy rumours section or did you put this up for s**ts and Giggles LOL {Ed022's Note - I put this up because it made me happy, and happiness is an emotion which makes me happy.}

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Where did you hear this from a podcast on your home planet ya numpty...geee what a cretin...

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What's Whytes father got to do with it, he is clueless and lives in a wee scheme in Motherwell, total pathetic post. Wait and see what happens stop making things up.

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Not exactly "secret" talks, if a forum troll is posting on them lol {Ed022's Note - And the Irony circle is now complete. Thank you anonymous poster, thank you indeed.}

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Whyte moved his floating charge (in real terms ibrox and Murray park) Over to his father a few weeks ago.

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And your source is let me think ah I got it GOLDILOCKS

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At least you put a smile on my face with the sh**te you talk

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I can tell you now that no such discussions have taken place, as I am Whyte's  Father and so is my wife.

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What are yous bears or kippers i know yous are some sort of animals but make yer minds up.,,kbarry

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But we all know you will be liquidated.

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Im pretty sure when a company goes into administration then the owner(whyte)has no control over the running of the club,,,,also he cannot transfer any of the clubs assets into another person or company whilst in administration,,,i have as much say in the running of rangers as the gutter rat(whyte)
will1872 {Ed022's Note - You're correct, although Whyte does have some say over the control of the club.}

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Whtye's father does not live in a wee scheme in Motherwell and has money. Not really relevant to the thread but highlights the rubbish some people post on this site

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Although I've posted that unfortunately I think liquidation is almost certain,I don't believe for one minute that any meeting of this sort has taken place.It would be against all the rules of administration,and D&P have enough black marks against them without engaging in another charade.

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His father does live in a wee scheme in Motherwell and has no money. Well known in this area and was mentioned when Whyte started this nonsense of lies and deceit.

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Did he take his father with him to buy Rangers ?

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28 Apr 2012 17:07:34
tbk,dont make me laugh what are they all about man,pm is a joke adding money to bid thats not his,he was defo a member of sdm board,the american dude is the way to go ,at least hes being honest with the liquidation talk,what more can rangers expect,you should march on murrays hq not sfa its his fault not the bbc nor whyte or anybody elses take punishment your club deserves it,ally mccoist should be embarassed at what i read in my papers today "SPECIAL"tell me any business thats allowed to exist coz its "SPECIAL"

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You sound slightly annoyed are you worried rangers might survive ?

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..Hes ragin...lots of mhanks will be ragin when they finally twig..

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They might survive but not as the entity you followed.

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Obviously you do not comprehend how big business works, unfortunately there are one set of rules for us and another set for big businesses, you only have to look at the vodaphone the tax bill they owed was 7.75 billion pounds. HMRC accepted 1.8 billion payable over 10 yrs. This part of the RFC debt was not of their doing but an individual and the SFA are completely powerless to punish him. £200'000 fine is a joke they would be as well making it a million because after banning him they have no legal way of getting the monies from him, all they can do is keep him out of the game and to be fair he's never even been in it so all in all a moot punishment for him. The big tax case will be watched with interest as HMRC have firstly to prove conclusively the charges to win the case which 25-27 million the rest of the monies being talked about are fines and interest which may be waved by the court however i do not even think it will get that far its more likely that a deal along the line of vodaphone will be struct like they did with arsenal over the ebt's they only paid 7 mil making sure a legal precedence was not set because believe it or not the biggest abuser/user of the ebt scheme in Britain is the Bank of England who incidently set the exchange rates henceforth the interest of David Cameron in the case. Like I said HMRC do do deals on a daily basis for 100's of millions its just not in the papers. HMRC are not there to close businesses down quite the opposite we're here to make sure that future revenue continues to come into the treasury. just to be clear my team is the mighty St Mirren i dont particularly like either side of the old firm. However love them or hate them they are the financial glue that holds our football together and are the marketable factor of our league, sky sell their 4 games for hundreds of millions to the four corners of the globe. WE NEED THEM BOTH.

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Im original poster,i hope rangers survive,but ffs take yir medicine and own up to ur CLUBS bad management,ps tell ally to stay aff the glooo lol {Ed022's Note - Your spelling is...different?}

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Your no a big business yous are nothing but tax dodgers god bless the Queen and give her money

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4 th post(long post). Very good. Might.not be spot on but in my opinion very near. With jobs being lost in every corner of the land the treasury needs tax payers. Not job losses. Job losses means no income tax and more job seek allowance. So either way they'll lose. And before anyone says we don't pay tax we dif up until May last year. Ebt is far from cut and dried. If it was so wrong wed have had a decision by now. The only reason its dragging out is cos hmrc ain't got the answer they want . If they did wed know about it by now.

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U really are a tit

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Northern Rock, HBOS, RBS, Bradford and Bingley...? Ally needs to start realising that we ARE already being treated as a 'special' case. Any 'big' business, despite the ideological political stance regards the free market and the supposed survival of the financially fittest, whose demise will clearly have a huge impact on the economic well-being of the country (in this instance specifically Scottish football in general) will receive 'special' treatment to ensure its survival. Others who do not meet this criteria will be, and are, left to go to the wall as there is no financial benefit or over-riding social incentive to save them (Gretna FC, Lehman Brothers in America for example). I am not advocating a financial bailout like the banks received here as that would be nonsensical and undeserved. We broke the rules and should accept a censure for doing so (in my opinion Division 3 and a small points deduction for three years). I am merely highlighting (and this point is OBJECTIVELY directed at fellow Rangers supporters) that the SFA/SPL ARE bending over backwards to treat Rangers as lightly as they realistically can. The punishment could have been so much more severe than it was, the withholding of our registration for example. They also have to be careful at the same time not to set a dangerous precedent whereby a club gets away too lightly with breaking the rules and financial mismanagement. They are collectively doing this in order to keep Rangers, in whatever capacity, within the SPL to safeguard the financial future of Scottish football. To the original poster: in this regard Rangers are seen as a 'special' case, just as Celtic would be if the roles were reversed and as the banks listed above were during the financial crisis. Morally correct? Probably not. However, the powers that be are tasked with protecting the game within Scotland and thankfully they clearly believe that Rangers are essential for the games survival. We need to realise and accept that we deserve to be punished in a way that, given our status and responsibility, does not overly harm the other clubs. The transfer embargo is more than fair - we can't realistically afford to buy anyone anyway. The only issue for me was the timing of the statement. It is time to wake up, stop blaming everyone else for the mess we are in and accept our punishment.

Brian

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Brian,

Rangers have been treated lightly both by the SPL and SFA over the EBTs, they lost the case in Jan 2010 and not a whisper from either governing body.

The problem with Rangers is it is only an attractive investment if they do well in Europe and their SPL domestic turnover can not guarantee this, as Celtic have found out of late.

Any penalties that provide an obstacle to this profit for a number of years devalues the club to the same price as liqidation.

I think a CVA is still possible but there are sound financial reasons why no one is throwing money at Rangers, it is simply not worth it on paper.


A debt free Rangers with no Ticketus and no bans is pobably worth 40 million max, take away Europe and you half its value. Without Europe you are effectively buying at best a break even company, look at Celtics profit without Europe, its washers.

DM would have slashed costs if he could have, there were good economic reasons why he could not, these reasons will still exist fo any new owner. How do you fill Ibrox with an affordable team, one that is not good enough to win outside the SPL ?
The biggest obstacle to any new owner will be the expectations of the fans, they have been used to a cerain quality of goods and Rangers can not afford to provide them.

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As far as I am aware BTC has been admitted and accepted by Rangers, it is the Punishment that is being decided is it not?

And the deal done with Vodaphone worked out around 25p in the pound owed even those terms would force liquidation. ~But This is Rangers we don't do Paying our way.

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28 Apr 2012 16:33:51
Ok 2 bids went in last night they said it's their final offer d+p says tbk offer not good enough for creditors ask them to come back with better offer f..k sake pick a proffered bidder get on with it f..k me how long is d+p going to drag this on for ... Kenny bluenose

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Can't believe how low TBK offer is. See report in Herald. Miller's bid miles better, but still offers little to the creditors. Also unlikely to get required assurances from SFA. Liquidation looks almost certain
Liah Smit

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Kenny, couldn't agree more absolute disgrace how long this is going on

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It's obvious that bill millers bid is not the one duff and phelps want to go with. Instead of appointing the only bidder who has been consistant from the begining they keep delaying hoping that the bk and pm team increase there bid.FFS , they have said that the latest bid is full and final. They also said if CW does not play ball they will go down the same route as Bill Miller..
It's time to move on and give someone preferred bidder status. Duff and phelps are doing us more harm by the dilly dally route.

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How much money is now owed to D&P as they will be the first company paid. They are taking you for complete mugs and you cant even see it. Bye bye rangers.

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I agree with the above its clear that Bill Miller will liquidate and D&P want to go with TBK however there offer is a joke. Either way it doesn't look good.

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The problem with the bids fellow bears there are a number of stalling points
ticketus
trying to obtain a cva
possible sanctions by the spl
hmrc outcome
whyte shares
d and p are doing their best we are lucky we were not closed months ago
still not looking good just now

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Both offers will be chucked out... simples.

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If this is D+P's "best".....id hate to see their worst. {Ed022's Note - Oh believe me it's horrifying, all I'll say is it involved a ManKini, soap, and a cucumber.}

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If the bids are not good enough they can't be accepted. So they cannot give them pro bidder status. Both have substantially more resources than they are letting on but obv want to use the money as working capital and to improve the team in the future. It's all about getting best deal. Both sides trying to get best deal.

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Liah Smit or hail tims - away and post rubbish on your own team's site................

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Apparently TBK are in early talks with a UK based Insurance provider in an attempt 'to beef up' their financial bid. This is on the back of PM receiving a text from them telling him they are aware of his accident and he could be entitled to millions

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I cannot understnd the low bids by either party, Ticketus is on the list of creditors at 26.7 million and CW has secured this liability through a floating charge. Surely any bid lower than this will be rejected as they would get more than 11-13 million out of liquidation ?

Also why would HMRC accept a CVA that gets them the same as liquidation....nothing ?

Something just does not add up.

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28 Apr 2012 16:24:47
One small fact that as yet I haven't seen in here regards the SFA sanctions. Rangers fans are outraged that the SFA punished them (as well as Craig Whyte). At the same time the Ibrox powers that be are pursuing the company (Collyer Bristow) instead of the accountable individual (Gary Withey). Any thoughts?
Gaz

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Collyer Bristow appointed Gary Withey...Rangers supporters did not appoint Craig Whyte! GGer

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But the club did, in a sense.

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The difference is that the law allows for the corporate veil of a limited company to be lifted in some circumstances. Rangers are asking the SFA to do that based on Craig Whyte's running of the company. Collyer Bristow are a partnership and are legally liable for the actions of all partners unless the partner has been acting outwith the normal course of business. The law is completely different because of the different corporate structures.

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Look, I've got no problem with you doing it, pursuing Collyer Bristow, Whyte was the owner of Rangers, for better or worse. He was no doubt applauded when he walked onto the field to unfurl the League flag at the beginning of the season. Regards his appointment, sure Rangers fans didn't appoint him but he was sold the club by a previous chairman who had won you what, twenty trophies or so? However untrustworthy he seems now, his purchase of the club was embraced by a huge majority of the club's fans at the time.
Gaz

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Either SDM knew about Craig Whyte or CW lied through his back teeth to get the helm. Both of these men have brought this great club to its knees. As for the SPL, they are a complete joke, Rangers should reject any offer of staying in the SFL and either apply for Div 3, or the English lower leagues. Either will kill Scottish football.

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Gary whithey was a director of collyer & bristow and as such they ARE liable as he acted on their behalf for Craig Whyte, forging Craig Whytes name while a director of collyer & bristow, millions of pounds unaccounted for trusted to him in collyer & bristows name. hope that clarifies it for you...oh and make no mistake it is very likely CW and GW will be facing custodial sentences for this.

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Gaz, ofc he was welcomed, he was portrayed as a wealthy man who was going to invest £5m a year in transfer funds, clear the debts..etc..etc...

Rangers fans, and Im one myself, had reason to believe all this about Craig Whyte, that reason was David Murray, whom we also trusted.

With any luck, a new owner will be appointed before the season ends, and these horrific sanctions against the club abolished, as they should be.

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I must admit i was taken in by the savior loads of money thing being hailed in the press at the time heinz sight eh

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These aren't horrific sanctions and they won't be abolished, although maybe reduced on appeal. Rangers could have received a much more serious punishment.

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Yeah I was taken in too. Oh well. Won't be the first nor last. You show me someone who's never been fooled and ill show you a liar! We were led to believe he'd substantial wealth and was going to invest and improve. The truth is Celtic fans know we've been stitched up and are having a giggle. Good on em I'd be the same. But some believe it is somehow honest paying fans fault we've been taken on. Cos we welcomed him. Cos he unfurled the flag. Really?

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'heinz sight'? You've bean a bit silly there. {Ed022's Note - Oh I love puns. Keep 'em coming and I'll ketch up with you later!}

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No problem, Ed. Have a souper evening. {Ed022's Note -

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Would be better off with Eric Bristow {Ed022's Note - He'd be a darting good option to help Rangers out of a Double-y torred time with regards to the board.}

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Why not we appoint worzel gumidge
I hear he is outstanding in his field

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Double standards

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The SFA is an associaion of football clubs not owners, its rules apply to the club and when they are broken then the club is liable, regardless of the cause.

What I want to know is would a club be penalised for going into administration if the cause was a bad debt from another member in administration ?

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Just back from a life long rangers supporters funeral who owned a major fruit and veg chain there was a big turnip at the funeral {Ed022's Note - Seeing puns really is the fruit of my labour.}

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If the collyer bristow case fails whitey will b next 1 thy are after but as it was the company tht got the payment for work done for whyte with whitey gettin his commission thn its the companies prob common sense really whyte asks for advice c,b send whitey simples

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28 Apr 2012 15:59:27
how did the march go, was there a big turn out, did it achieve anything?

DB77

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Have you not heard? Two million people
marched to hampden today said Rangers media. Strathclyde Police said fifteen hundred....and 1200 of those were shoppers out on a saturday....Timalloy

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Can I just say i am totally bored with all this R***ers talk let them die in peace

DB77, From your post at 1348 on the celtic site,5000 attended but why do you care?

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Ive seen reports police cheif says between 1200 and 1500, it was an amazing day, fans were outstanding
DaveG

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Watp forgot it was today. haha.
So called best supportered team in what country.

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Intimidating individuals, clubs, advertisers, i would give up. RFC is finished, they may have a new company next year but the flawed history has now been brought to a close.

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According to the BBC it was between 5000 and 7500

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I did hear all of the old 'party' tunes were dusted off for the day Billy Boys etc. etc.

You will be no lose to anyone with a brain. Great way to gain sympathy!

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..Whyte is finished...Sir Dave is finished..but Rangers is far from finished..fact..

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The march went as well as it could about 7 000 bears no touble well done to the fans a credit wish the same could be said about the old board dont know if will do anything tho this should have been done a few years back

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Saw a bigger queue in morrisons. Artybhoy

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See the tic are still hurting. Suppose they expected rangers players and officials to have all fallen out and walked away. Nit yet. Not according to ally. Alan mac. And Bocanegra.

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A few crusty bitches and a handful of rag tags ha ha

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Can we end this boring saga and liquidate , replace rangers with a scottish all inclusive team.

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OK, 5000 and NO

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Marching on the wrong place.

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Pathetic...yes there might have been 3 or 2 more thousand made up of women and children .I was there and i walked to Hampden stood outside like a tube for half an hour or more,waste of my time and everybody elses. I think it might have created more bad press but WATP and we will survive.

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Did anyone from sfa turn up? Or did you all just spout abuse at the security guard , more folk in the fort shopping than rallying walk, to listen to s jardine deliver his view on it wisnae us so stop being bad to us or we will boycott everything, pathetic, looked like hitler speech in 1939

Ska bhoy

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What was the point of the march? The Independent panel is in the name independent! If rangers couldnt pay for transfers before how are they paying for them now. As for SFA costs jobs banners - as opposed to not paying taxes, NI etc costing jobs.

smokescreen by stupid fans, anyone with any sense knows that this sort of thing does nothing for the club.

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28 Apr 2012 15:13:23
TBK told their bid is not commercially acceptable. Told they are substantially less than miller and need to improve. Also criticized for going negative on the other bid which is better than theirs.

Rangers: Administrator expects revised Blue Knights bid
28 April 12 13:14 GMT

Administrator David Whitehouse expects a revised bid for Rangers from the Blue Knights as its current offer would be "a challenge for creditors to accept".
Brian Kennedy joined the Blue Knights' attempts to rival Bill Miller's bid.
"Both parties know the bid has got to be commercially at a level which would be acceptable to creditors," Whitehouse told BBC Scotland.
"Bill Miller's bid is acceptable at that level. The only barrier to Bill Miller's bid is regulatory clearance."
American trucking tycoon Miller is seeking assurances from Scotland's football authorities that Rangers will face no further sanctions ahead of next season, with the Ibrox club having already incurred a 10-point Scottish Premier League penalty for going into administration.
"We are hopeful that, within a very short space of time, the assurances that Bill Miller needs in relation to his bid can be delivered by the relevant authorities," said Whitehouse.
"We would hope that, at the very early part of next week, Bill Miller's bid will be clarified whether he can proceed or not."
BBC Scotland understands Miller's bid for Rangers is worth significantly more than that of the Blue Knights.
"It's been publicised that bid in quantum terms is £13m," said Whitehouse of the consortium led by former Rangers director Paul Murray and Sale Sharks owner Kennedy.
"That is not correct. It's very substantially lower than that and we have been in ongoing dialogue with Brian Kennedy on behalf of the Blue Knights during the course of today and we understand that he may be revising his bid during the course of today; certainly over the next 24 hours.
"What we're saying to Brian Kennedy and the Blue Knights is we are encouraging them to re-visit that offer and get it at a level where commercially it may be acceptable to the creditors.
"We're not in a position to quote a figure - they know a range. Bill Miller's bid is in the public domain and they have got a clear indication of the range of numbers which would be deliverable in other scenarios.
"If they are going to submit a bid at a level which would be commercially acceptable, they need to open very urgently a dialogue with the football authorities."
Whitehouse, whose firm Duff & Phelps was appointed administrator in February, also encouraged bidders not to engage in debate "dealing with the other's bid in a negative manner".
"What's not helpful is if their bid lands at a level which is actually less than creditors would get in a liquidation scenario," said Whitehouse.
"Nobody wants to go down that route. In terms of rescuing Rangers, I think they need to get their bid to a commercial level and focus on that element of their bid rather than talking publicly about Mr Miller's bid, which I don't think is helpful."
Players and management agreed wage cuts to allow the club to fulfil their fixtures for the rest of the season and Whitehouse reiterated the need to accelerate the takeover process.
"I'm reluctant to quote deadlines because invariably they tend to get missed, but there is a very real and large looming deadline, which is the end of the season, which is the point at which we have funding in place to continue to operate the business," he added.
"So, by definition, we have to conclude a transaction before that date and therefore that deadline is looming large.
"It's in the hands of the bidders to create a final date because they need to progress their positions to the point where they're capable of being accepted.
"I don't see any barriers in place to bidders being able to achieve that by the middle of this week.
"There is a very clear path which has been set to avoid liquidation and the regulators have been very clear in their desire to ensure that that scenario doesn't prevail.
"Therefore, it's in the gift of the bidders to make that happen."
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I would have thought any liquidation bid would result in the ordinary creditors getting zero, sounds to me like they are talking about secured creditors, which is CW-Ticketus money.

Offers over 18 million minimum, possibly more depending on how much of the Ticketus money was spent.

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If TBK bid is ever larger than Miller's will D&P give Miller opportunities to improve?
Or will the club be rushed at that point into P Murray's hands?
I must say, in my experience D&P don't appear to be very independent in all of this. I'm sure they have the answers to defend themselves but who is going to ask the difficult questions?

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28 Apr 2012 15:04:18
Administrators expect revised bid from blue knights as their current one would be a "challenge" for creditors to accept! More f3kin about , we need our history , but come on to France man we need to pay creditors as much not as little as possible !
PaulRFC

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28 Apr 2012 14:58:25
I find it incredible Ally lashed out the way he did at the SFA after they delivered a sanction that keeps them in the SPL. Then the next day he says it's probably the decent thing to drop to div3. Conflicted confused or what?

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Feck the spl 60% of veiwers for 4% of the cash we have been subsidizing these pub teams for years lets see how many are still standing when we return

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You wont be returning as what you once were, its no wonder more and more fans from across Scotland want Rangers to drop into the 3rd division, you're attitude stinks.

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Ally lashed out? he responded to stewart regans comment about fear or favour we have to run the sfa with efficence and transparency. ally was spot on how can you have transparency when the panel is annonymus, annonimity just gives people the license to do what they want with no questions asked....however as ally said his comments stand for the reasonable people to see not for the lunatic fringe to use as a license to act in that manner. {Ed022's Note - The thing is, Ally knew who the people were. They are only anonymous to the PUBLIC domain in case of threats, or worse are suffered by the panel, as proven by some of the Rangers fans. Ally's comments were both naive and unnecessary, simple as that really.}

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Lenny CHARGED on to the ptch? I know he wasnt the fastest in his prime but why didnt the papers say jog? ,.,.kbarry

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Ally should have asked how did the panel arrive at these decisions, reasoning, etc. - this is the transparency. As he asked for a lot more SFA should punish him - a lot of folk are surprised they have not done that yet. Imagine that was a certain rival manager asking for a referee to explain just a controversial decision, not his allegiance.

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Ally is confused , a footballer not a financial wizard who knows all the tricks of these shisters

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Ally was a great footballer but is a poor manager.

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Screams blue murder at a weak punishment then completely contradicts himself by sanctioning the worst case by dropping to Div3. Couldn't make it up.

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Ally's a seriously mixed up teddy. Needs to stop going to the press everyday with two stories. Needs to keep quiet in the background and manage football.

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There are some Rangers fans who just don't get it, firstly the club is liable for the actions of its owner, they are a member of an association of clubs not owners.
Scomdly the 10 point deduction was just for going into administration, the embargo was a penalty for how they came to be in administration and the unethical govenance prior to administration. Rangers brought the association into disrepute because of the manner in which they traded before administration. {Ed022's Note - Finally, someone who actually gets it.}

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28 Apr 2012 13:29:08
Am I the only one who thinks that
Hampden will be closed today. Bit of
a waste of shoe leather me thinks.

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They can't exactly do it during the week though can they? People work.....

TTG

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It would be better to march up to SDM's HQ in Edinburgh afterall he, not the SFA got us into this mess. The SFA only served justice they are not the ones to blame.

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The post about marching to Murray's Headquarters instead of Hampden has real merit...................well done for posting such a poignant point

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Where were the tens of thousands of Hector fans expected.....news and police stating a few thousands....been told the parade took less tahn 15 minutes to pass each point, and thats it was being slowed down to try to impress the cameras.....poor poor showing by you Rangers fans.....were where WATP....they stayed at home moaning and whinning.

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Charlotte square Edinburgh. MIH headquarters that's where protests should be.

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"We don't do walking away"! really, after seiing the 2000 odd fans taking part in the protest march today, it looks like you don't do walking full stop!

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Might be good practice for going to see Queens Park next season

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We dont do turning up we dont do walking unless its with a sash lol

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Maybe some fans didn't agree with the protest after Celtic fans suggesting it was illegal and not correct to partake in. Damnd if you do damnd if you don't. Whatever it is that happens Celtic fans will say the opposite. FACT

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I'm pretty sure that would be damned if you do damned don't.

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Everybody has the right to a peacefull protest well done the fans that turned up today any fans who support a team in scotland have a right to protest if their club is in trouble

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The murray march wont happen, that would involve bus fares. {Ed022's Note - Anything but bus fares!!!!!!}

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28 Apr 2012 13:09:36
To postet on rumours page @ 12:26
Nobody dare say anything about sir david murray,
I would love a petition to remove his knighthood,
He alone done to rangers,
If not for whyte their would be no rangers,
As much as i disagree with whyte for financial position we probably couldent be in a better position.
As without whyte murray killed the club,
But shoosh its a seceret

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Do you honestly think he would care about losing his knighthood? People like David Murray, Brian Kennedy and even Craig Whyte are rich for a reason. They are ruthless businessman with thick skin and no morals. They do whatever it takes to succeed. David Murray wouldn't lose any sleep over losing that "honour"

Drew

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IF it turns out that Murray incorrectly implemented the EBT's with Rangers then there is more than a distinct possibility he may have done the same with the other facets of his MH empire. Forgetting the question of his knighthood for a moment, I reckon he would be losing an awful lot more if the FTT goes against Rangers. IF he has implemented EBT's in a 'different' way for his other facets then would that mean he WAS aware of the dangers of being challenged by HMRC over Rangers in the first instance?

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Why would the queen remove his knighthood....he got it for Service to Industry...Not of service to Rangers....
Second he has done nothing unlawful....so again no reason for removing.
If anything he should be made a Lord for Services to the Bhoys...never been so entertained or amused at the problems over at Hectors House.....Long may this continue.

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It's the Government Honours committee that revokes awards not the Queen.
DM's was for services to business in Scotland when his empire owed £900m to Bank of Scotland and was avoiding tax through offshore mechanisms. Hardly correct for services to business.

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To be fair sdm lost millions investing in rangers what other person would do this

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You don't 'invest' in Rangers and expect profit. That's why I have a problem with blue knights, they don't have anything to put in.

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28 Apr 2012 13:07:29
Bk bid 5million. Joke
Source : Herald online

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Complete token gesture. The players are worth more. Naismith alone.

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D&P have rejected the bid and Bill Miller is now in talks regarding potential sanctions over a newco.

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Naismith is goin for penny"s and you know it. a player is only worth that kind of money if they are good. like hooper or stokes.

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We cannot let rangers die or mickeys will rule the waves

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28 Apr 2012 12:26:25
Why haven't the BBC or other media examined the legality of Rangers takeover ?
When it was believed that it was genuine they were queuing up to have a go from every angle. Now there is some doubt over whether it was in fact fraudulent in some possible form non of the media seems one bit interested..
Is this because in finding this out would in fact help Rangers therefor its not something they wish to pursue.
SOMEONE must clarify the legal position on this and if it is not allowed under any company laws then action must be taken immediately.

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That's with the police.

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Its not that they are not interested. its because they are sick of it. its just a total joke now. the hokey kokey club, in out in out.

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Think your clutching at straws. The fact they were all over it like a rash was becuase there was a story, the story now being played out. Second, you really don't need anymore negative publicity that could jeopardise any possible solution and scare off potential buyers. Once this is all over expect the documentary from the BBC after the whole affair. Besides for all we know there may be a gagging order in place due to the authorities investigating. Time will tell.

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100% agree with original poster. In legal matters action is not normally taken until all the facts " beyond reasonable doubt " are established and after all even from early days most people suspected dodgy dealings. In rangers case however lets take action first then worry about the facts later................not impossible if it works out that whyte does not own club legally then action could be taken against sfa and spl for unfair punishment

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Would this be the same BBC that ran an entire series glorifying the Rangers youth policy through Murray Park. I think it's very unfair to say they are biased against us. I think it's more likely that when they have anything to say on the matter it will be a complete investigation not just a few cheap shots.

In investigative journalism you don't show your hand until you play your hand!

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"not impossible if it works out that whyte does not own club legally then action could be taken against sfa and spl for unfair punishment"

And how is that going to come about? It is the responsibility of the club to ensure the sale was legal and above board and those taking over are fit and proper persons. Not the SFA or SPL.

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CW's legal advisors will have made sure, as much as they are competent to, the takeover was legal. Including the transfer of advance season ticket sales to pay the debts, whilst leaving CW as the secured creditor. He's an expert at extracting value from distressed assets, after all. If there was a way of proving CW's takeover was not legal then be sure it will be found by someone - probably Ticketus.

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The BBC exposed Whyte for what he is back in October: he threatened to sue and many Rangers fans were furious with the BBC. How times have changed.

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Why should the bbc investigate? It was rangers takeover not the bbcs

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They arent investigating coz it wasnt fraudulent ffs

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Sorry ED I may have posted this before in response to a similar question. companies ACT 2006
Assistance for acquisition of shares in public company
(1) Where a person is acquiring or proposing to acquire shares in a public company, it is not lawful
for that company, or a company that is a subsidiary of that company, to give financial assistance
directly or indirectly for the purpose of the acquisition before or at the same time as the acquisition
takes place.
(2) Subsection (1) does not prohibit a company from giving financial assistance for the acquisition
of shares in it or its holding company if–
(a) the company's principal purpose in giving the assistance is not to give it for the purpose
of any such acquisition, or
(b) the giving of the assistance for that purpose is only an incidental part of some larger
purpose of the company,
and the assistance is given in good faith in the interests of the company.
(3) Where–
(a) a person has acquired shares in a company, and
(b) a liability has been incurred (by that or another person) for the purpose of the acquisition,
it is not lawful for that company, or a company that is a subsidiary of that company, to give financial
assistance directly or indirectly for the purpose of reducing or discharging the liability if, at the
time the assistance is given, the company in which the shares were acquired is a public company.
(4) Subsection (3) does not prohibit a company from giving financial assistance if–
(a) the company's principal purpose in giving the assistance is not to reduce or discharge
any liability incurred by a person for the purpose of the acquisition of shares in the company
or its holding company, or
(b) the reduction or discharge of any such liability is only an incidental part of some larger
purpose of the company,
and the assistance is given in good faith in the interests of the company.
(5) This section has effect subject to sections 681 and 682 (unconditional and conditional exceptions
to prohibition).

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Whats it got to do with the bbc or the media they dont run your club i think,.,.kbarry

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The take over was legal - whyte paid murray £1. for rangers. when or where he got his money to clear the bank debt is irrelavent - see glaziers @ manu & hicks & liverpool where the saddled the club with the debt

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I,ve got a better idea why don,t the bbc get a hold of some of the players ebt,s and show them to the authorities ie:,uefa police hmrc no?So why shouldn,t they have exposed this yrs ago instead of blaming everyone else for their misdeeds and now trying to do more underhand deeds while escaping punishments.

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28 Apr 2012 11:36:31
Just typicale , I don,t know much about high finance , but the two bids are including the paying off debentures (whatever they are ) . So the ordinary creditors who provided goods and services get shafted , and the people how have speculated get there money back.
This is the way that wealthy people seem to walk over the rest of us hard working honest people . The paying off of these debentures does not help the finances or future of the club in any way .
Disgusted.

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Are you right in the heed guys who bought the debentures are the fans who put THEIR money in to build One off the stands in return for guaranteed seats.

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It's slight of hand, make the CVA smaller then the same amountngoingninnwillnseem to go further. It means more money is paid back in the long run, but only to the debenture holders, everyone else gets shafted in the CVA. Thought RFF were going to clear the small businesses with debts under £1k? instead they are blowing £20k in legal fees fighting the SFA appeal.

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I suggest you find out what Rangers debenture scheme is before posting s**te

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The debentures are ordinary fans who
paid more for there seats.My understanding
of this means the overall 7million they are owed
comes off the list of creditors which means the
other creditors get more money allocated to them.I think ! Hope this helps. WATP

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Debenture holders are secured creditors, i.e. they get paid out in full before any unsecured creditors get a penny, may not seem fair - the law seldom does.

Also, the club cannot preferentially treat any of the unsecured creditors, paying out the small, more vulnerable ones. Administrators would be sued if they did.

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The 13mill includes 7mill to cover the debentures.
That leaves 5mill for a CVA pot.
So it won't be 10p/£ , won't even be 5p/£ will more likely be around 2-3p/ £ for everyone else.
They are taking the Michael!
They might also want to take a look at HMRC views of giving preferential treatment to specific creditors as regards a CVA.
Hint - its one of the many reasons they refuse a CVA.

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My understanding was that the RFFF would pay small unsecured creditors as D&P could not. £20k settles the bottom 70 of the 276 creditors. Two days for a QC madness.
The fines are reasonable, they could go up on appeal. Rangers particular circumstances are neither here nor there in this situation.

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Debenture = secured credit. In other words they get share of assets before unsecured creditors and shareholders (but not HMRC). If they are not in the CVA then presumably they will remain holders of £7m of Rangers debt after the CVA. But it's wrong to include this amount in the headline figure of the value of the offer as TBK seem to have done.

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I don't think anyone has seen the details of the bids? the purpose of the CVA is that creditors collectively will do better penny in the pound wise than if the club went into liquidation - There is no reason for new owners to pitch it substantially above this level, although there are competing bids /mechanisms in this case.

Once secured creditors are paid out the bulk of the money left over will go to ticketus and HMRC, not the small creditors in the most need. Beefing the offer up to satisfy TU and HMRC isn't a good use of available funds, on-going trading relationships (hopefully) with the club better serves the small creditors in the long run.

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My understanding is that HMRC are no longer 'preferential' creditors simply unsecured creditors like ticketus and everyone else.

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Also, as for the £20,000 RFFF, well it is first and foremost a fans fighting fund to save the club, hence the QC arguing against the ill thought thru SFA sanctions. More can be done for the small creditors over time. But don't go causing an argument about this now, it's all far from settled with the CVA and there may be nothing to pay anybody out.

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You have to pay of the debentures if your going to demolish Ibox

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As I said muppet, slight of hand, I know what a debenture is and D&P so through their Sh***.

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28 Apr 2012 11:27:25
We must avoid liquidation we have as
the fans held our heads high with dignity we must pay our way in life,lets be realistic ticketus would not get the same return if we were a new co club as the revenues generated would be a small sum compared to being in europe they would loose and know it.The hard road is always the best road to go down and is always the most fruitiful for the future.For the pay our way option say yes and to not do so and take the easy options say no

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Just a quick question....Where do you see the 134 million pounds coming from....

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Ticketus may be prefer liquidation as they have a guarantee from CW for £25 million, which he will pay by selling off the assets. Remember the administrators first statement Ibrox and MP were not owned by a company in administration. If ticketus have their way it is liquidation

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Ask the good people of Manchester about "dignity".

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The £134 million is an "IF".

Rangers wont liquidate, hard times ahead indeed, but Rangers wont liquidate.

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Dignity ffs . wots the chances of youse ripping up the southside today 50-50?

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Rangers WILL liquidate. It is as inevitable as the dawn tomorrow.
The club WILL die.
A new club WILL arise but not own the current assets.
TBK have always come across as a token sham.

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If rangers are liquidated they have asserts of 120 million, this means creditors might get 90 p in the pound!

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120 million .? Murray overestimated value . What is a football ground worth ? Murray park differrent but your right they will get more from liquidation maybe 20 - 30 million . the value of the satdium depends on whether someone sells it to newco.

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28 Apr 2012 11:21:15
Morning ed have you heard anything about season tickets ment to have renew forms in not heard a thing kenny bluenose cheers m8

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They cant send them out till this is sorted many reasons y but heres one prices they cant charge the same price for division 3 as spl

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How can you sell tickets for a tournement you might not even be entering...leave your money in the bank...the cost of a third division season ticket will only cost you pennies.

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Can't be issued till we know what league we will be playing in. UEFA need to know by 2nd June as they publish all fixtures across Europe.

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The administrators cannot incur more debt (i.e. selling tickets for future games which may not be played) with the risk of imminent liquidation. Additionally it is likely RFC will not meet the criteria for a license to play in the SPL next season

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Ticketus are sending them out next week, remember they own them not Rangers.

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28 Apr 2012 11:05:17
Pleased I am to see that Sandy Jardine’s meeting with representatives of the supporters but I feel if anything is going to be achieved “an organised non violent demonstration” on the scale of Manchester must take place, urging the government’s intervention into the activities of Mr Murray and then Mr White’s involvement in our clubs finances and also the dealings of administrators Duff & Phelps between them they have raped our club yet there seems to be no action being brought or raised against any of them. One would have thought if this was not illegal it certainly is immoral and as I have previously stated the only way now a days is for the government to take notice is for a s non violent demonstration standing shoulder to shoulder, then we will get media attention on a grand scale. I would also appreciate the support of other football clubs because in the bigger picture this affects your club as well thinking of Sky pulling their money out

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You cheated the other SPL clubs for 20 years at least and some went out of business.
Sandy Jardine is organizing financial actions against other SPL clubs.
You are calling on other clubs to support and stand with you?

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The last thing we want to do is get the government involved.

FIFA & UEFA have rules against government intervention and the punishment for this would make the SFA ruling look like a walk in the park

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Well said Yoda.

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The last thing you want is for the police to start looking into the where's and why fore's of the current owner and previous owner. The Admins are bound by the courts and law (yes i know there not by any stretch the flavour of the month)  to work in the best interests of the business and do not need the Police or SFO marching in and removing  paper work whilst they are trying to sell the club. That  could and would, probably, hinder the task of selling it as a going concern. Once the deal is done or not done, the  I am sure the authorities will become involved and look at the circumstances of the situation the club finds itself in. 

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I would rather kill my own club (st mirren) than play in the same league as the cheats.

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Do you really want to risk 100,000 or so rangers fans on the streets together with what would be a high risk of violence and disorder. While i agree a peaceful demonstration of this magnitude would be powerful if it deteriorated it would be the end of the club without a doubt and i think experience tells us violence would occur

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OP - I would have thought the last thing you needed right now was another Manchester, or Newcastle, or Barcelona for that matter.

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Rangers fans should demonstrate BUT NOT AGAINST THE SFA OR SPL. They should be demonstrationg against SDM and CW. They, along with other directors, have got rangers into this mess. Rangers have been cheating for the last 20 odd years as the ETB's will soon testifyIs it any wonder " nobody likes us, we don't care "Bombs sent through the post . Cities wrecked . people beaten up and in some cases killed in the street. Threats to SFA committee members. It you are looking for publis sympathy, you need to get better PR

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Other clubs would love to see Rangers in the SPL. Which is why the SPL found a way to let a newco in, should liquidation occur. If no liquidation then Rangers are in the SPL anyway.

The transfer ban seems harsh (depending on how you view a club who has just paid 10p in the pound to creditors being allowed to spend money on new players) and perhaps Rangers should be allowed free transfers as a comporomise. Don't know if that's an option for the SFA, though.

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I would rather kill my own club (st mirren) than play in the same league as the cheats.



Aberdeen supporters feel the same way mate.

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Do you think for one minute that Jardine's threats and McCoist we'll remember who you are quotes will get you any sympathy from any of the other 41 clubs? Point out the implications in a balanced and non-threatening manner and maybe then you'll find some sympathy. PR disaster on that front, the two of them.
Gaz

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"no one likes us. We don't care" - isn't karma wonderful rangers fans! The day our land is free of your dreadful dark age club is our very own 4th July.

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They are actually demonstrating against celtic winning the league. that's what really gets them. they dont care about the debt trail. debt trails always led to innocent jobs lost. the transfer ban is like medicine, hard to swallow but it will do you good. who were rangers going to sign anyway ? come and play for us, you might end up on 25% of your wages by the end of the season. oh alright then.

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28 Apr 2012 11:00:07
Rite let's see the loyal supporters today at hampden or all the glory hunters gonna stay away warp.

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Mate i dont agree with it an ot wont make a difference an i aint a glory hunter lets hope all the idiots behave for a change 2day


TB

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Glory hunter or not, today is a day where rangers fans from all walks of life get the chance to protest in defence of our great club. WATP!

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Protest about what? Getting punished for ripping of the nation, ripping of the government or just plain getting punished for getting caught. ?

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Poor wee security man at Hampden is gonnay be terrified, 200 blue nosed red faced loonies screaming at the shutters.

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Damp squid is the most interesting positive statement that anyone can say anout the Hectors Parade today......Strathclyde Police were the only winners..250 officers on rest day rates...well done Hector.

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28 Apr 2012 10:54:07
Listen guys lets face it we're goosed,let's talk footie till something is resolved

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28 Apr 2012 09:10:25
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I think Miller has the best idea leave the debt behind in one company start a new company keep the history and bring it back togither again. I do not trust the blue nights especially as they are now saying they might have to follw Bil Murrys idea!
I just wish they would come out and clarify how thet are going to deal with CW?

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I fear that the green and grey hordes will be along shortly to disrupt your survey, they just cant help themselves, obsessed with the Rangers, watp

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Don't think either are offering enough money to save us, both are under 20 million and a think we need at least 40 million to stop liquidation, 30 million to whyte plus a paltry 10 million for creditors in a cva, might be enough though.

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Don't see how TBK can be successful with £5m and have reservations about PMs previous involvement but all in all I would prefer it to the Miller offer

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So this is how the preferred bidder is picked. heres me thinking it had to be a legal system. oh thats right. yous dont go down that path. by the way what is it you win. the green and grey are back.

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No fair.....theres no a WHO CARES button.

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Either these discussions are confusing me or people are mixing up Murray and Miller.

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If TBK win this bid. D&P will have been grossly negligent. Miller is offering more than twice the cash. Any trickery with debentures can be done by Miller also.
Miller will challenge legally with QCs if TBK get Rangers.

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The two company trickery is an attemp to place assets beyond the reach of creditors and as such breaking the law. Ticketus and HMRC will never allow it. All the 270 other creditors including the football clubs will insist on full repayment.

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£5m to pay off £135m what a complete and utter joke. Naismith and lafferty could both reach £5m each on a good day. Whyte should put £5m of his own cash in and keep the club.

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28 Apr 2012 00:59:21
bill millers 19 million bid trumps tbk bid...daily record.

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The quicker rangers are bought the better and start talking about the football again its been bad for scotland and the spl

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I hope brian kennedy wins the bid he seems a genuine bloke ok i know he has hibs links he seems the best

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I must have missed the mention of £19m!!

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The TBK have not got the £1 that whyite bought the club for. But if he saves your history then he becomes a good guy.If he wins the bid give it 6 months and back to square one.....b

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A hibby and favours rugby over football...I'm sure he has the interest of Rangers as a club... Not. Wonder how long it will be before a local rugby team is paying there also'?

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If this is true, this is excatly what should have happened weeks ago as the offers up to that point were taking the pish. Your move TBK. However the time taken to get to this point is a scandal in it's self.

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Does that mean the blue knights are out again in out in out

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If he willing to bid 19 million why doesn't he just join the blue knights and Kennedy and have a better chance of getting this great football club out this mess the more financial backing the better. No need for this incubator company he Wants to do

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Definately wasn't 19 million pounds. Plus TBK have confirmined that their bid is more than the 11.2 million (actual bid) from Miller.
Happy days!

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We dont want any of the former board taking the helm surely!
Hope Bill Miller succeeds.

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Must be true its in the daily record.

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So this is the original £5m that Kennedy offered that was knocked back. Means that TBK haven't actually offered to put any of their own money into the pot. Will act as guarantors for the share issue when it comes and that's all. All promise, no substiten

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Let's also take note of the BK statement where he says that if CW does not play ball they would have to go the same route as Mr Miller.
In that case due to the figures and statement ,Mr Milers bid will be accepted.

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A hibby????? think you will find he aint a hibby, Kennedy's brother in law has publically stated that Kennedy did go to easter rd but only as a wind up to his mates who were all hearts fans, also went on to state that Kennedy spent more time at Ibrox as most of the family are all Gers supporters, so get your facts right before spouting yer crap, as for the lady that said TBK aint got £1, is that your bottle crashing, we are going to survive and if we managed to win the league in the 3 seasons before this one with no money then it will be service resumed, before long and you lot will be back where you belong 2nd place, christ you only managed 1 tainted trophy this season with Rangers at their lowest point in our history.

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That's not quite what the DR's article states, not that I'd believe anything they publish anyway. The two deals are complex and there are two key issues: First is working capital straightaway to see them through until the new season's revenues kick in. The second is appeasing the creditors via a CVA.

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I'm trying to understand Paul Murray in all of this. Am I right is thinking he's trying to front a bid but isn't actually putting ony of his own money forward? If so it's one of those complicated deals like CW did which will likely have a hole in it (as CW's did) and will be very risky. And Paul Murray will lose absolutely nothing himself (as CW hasn't - he probably had someone stand him the £1 too).

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To A Hibby???. What planet are you on Hector....even if Rangers find a buyer....and manage to get a CVA (which is doubtful).....rangers still face the result of BTC......then more problems resolving that issue.....likely another admin.......you still face 12 months ban from signing players......you will not enter Europe for at least one season.....how can you predict such easy success so soon.....Have you got yourself a blue crystal ball......As to tainted title.....the bhoys will win the title with more than ten points....so how is it tainted.....whats your excuse for throwing away the points Rangers did over Oct & Nov......grow up son....Rangers face a few tough years ahead. Ed what happened to the post about the Rangers fans march today. {Ed022's Note - It was removed.}

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