Rangers Rumours Archive April 29 2012

29 Apr 2012 19:53:04
I'm preparing myself for liquidation now. I can't see it going any other way now after TBK bid seems to be way off the mark.

I cant help but feeling the administrators are trying to avoid giving Bill Miller the club for obvious reasons.

The game is up...

Was the final play ever - in all honesty - going to be anything else?

Forget all the crap you read or hear in the media - there is no chance of any CVA deal. We need to start again - apply for SFL membership - and re-invent the club. Take the club back to it's routes and pay our debts.

Staying in the SPL - with heavy year on year penalties - is not an honourable option. If we were given some form of diluted penalty then we would be criticised for years. Let's get out get now and be blame free.

Ibrox1872

2 home fixtures left, last one on 5th May. Last chance to milk us for some cash so I expect liquidation on Monday 7th. Barring a miracle we will be walking away.

Wish jim mccoll would step forward after was revealed in todays richlist that he is worth £1bn.

How much was david murray worth on that?

Diluted penalty? Why dilute it?

Think they will wait for sfa sanctions are announced then try and blame them for a while

or the sfa will delay the announcement so they dont get the blame.........les

I believe we have a situation at Rangers where the best interests of the creditors coincides with the best interests of Rangers and its fans, annoying as this maybe to some. I will not go into too much detail but I also do not believe this common interest was an accident, it was a planned worst scenario exit strategy.

Anyway back to the interests of the creditors, its simple, is Rangers worth more to the creditors ( secured and unsecured) under a CVA or liquidation ?

The answer has to be CVA or you can not add up,, a CVA offer of 9 milion c/w the original 26.7 million Ticketus deal guaranteed by B Kennedy, is worth 25.7 million to a secured creditor( CW) and 9 million to the ordinary crediitors. There will be also some deal that protects the 7 million bondhoders( debentures) and remove them from the secured creditor list. Also by not liquidating, there is no liabilkity for 200 redundancies @ 2-3 million.

Total amount returned to creditors approx aprrox 44-45 million under a CVA, 9 million of which is 10% of the remaining liability of 90 million. Most of this debt is to HMRC , and yes I am one those unfortunates who does believe they will do a deal, my reasons have already been posted.

In liquidation, Rangers assets would have to be sold for 44-45 million to give the creditors the same return, in fact the offer has to be above 36 million for the ordinary creditior to get anything at all, secured creditors come first in a liquidation, Now anyone who values Rangers at 50 million in liquidation with no history and brutal penalties , would value Rangers HIGHER under a CVA for the before mentiond reasons. Ergo it is financially impossible for Rangers to be worth more to the creditors in liquidation than a CVA..In the unlikely event liquidation did occur then HMRC better pray someone bids 45 million for the assets because they will be blamed by all the other 300 creditrs for their loss.

Crag Whyte restructured the debt and increased the security liability right up to the maximum breakown value of Rangers…36 million. He intentionally made the returns from liquidation zero to ordinary creditors, knowing full well who the largest vote casting ordinary creditor would be in a years time.
The main intention of HMRCs policy is to prevent shareholdres or owners from being rewarded by a CVA, this is the reason why Craig Whyte will sell his shares for a £1.

No reward to owner, 45 million to the creditors, 7 million to HMRC, 2 million to 300 small creditors, and 4 months of national coverage on EBTs.

HMRC will agree to the CVA.

Anorak-NW.

David murray i.e. the invisible man

Paul Murray and Brian Kennedy are nothing but publicity loving idiots who claim they want to save us but offer a measley 5 million and use other fans money to fund it nothin but a joke they can shove there newco where the sun dont shine if you agree please comment as time is rapidly running out

Above poster. That's what Fergus McCann did with the share issue at Celtic. The fans raised millions for the club. The big spenders at Ibrox r gone. If u want to save your club then u may all have to put ur hands in ur pockets.

HMRC have to insist on 100% of the missing VAT, PAYE and NIC contributions since CW took charge (approx 12-15 million).
Failing to do so sends the green light for every Dell Boy up and down the country to pull the same stunt.
As for the BTC - They recently voted against a CVA for Portsmouth, but didn't have the needed 25% creditor status to block it. All in all it looks bleak!

@anorak;Nice try but way off.You seem to be forgetting one thing,players.If liquidated,the players contracts go to the SFA who then sell them.The money generated then pays all football debt with the excess given to the liquidators.

Anorak

Why would HMRC accept 9 mill after already knocking back 10 mill??

HMRC have to insist on 100% of the missing VAT, PAYE and NIC contributions since CW took charge (approx 12-15 million). Failing to do so sends the green light for every Dell Boy up and down the country to pull the same stunt.
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You are wrong, it is very common for contributions to be used as working capital when a company is struggling with a cashflow problem. HMRC are often left with debts and Rangers are no different in this matter. One may ask why HMRC allowed Rangers to trade from May until January withot making a single contribution but this question can only be answered by HMRC, their lenience is hardly Craig Whytes fault.

I am tired of hearing about Portsmouth, each case is different and is judged on its merits. Objecting to a CVA when it has no influence on the outcome is just posturing, it is not the same as voting a company into liquidation, where 45 million creditors money and 200 odd jobs are at risk.

@anorak;Nice try but way off.You seem to be forgetting one thing,players.If liquidated,the players contracts go to the SFA who then sell them.The money generated then pays all football debt with the excess given to the liquidators.
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I don't believe this is the case, the players contracts become nul and void under liquidation....and they walk free.
However even if this was the case then the amounts involved are so paltry that it changes nothing in the grand scheme of things. It does not alter the fact that no one is going to pay 45 million for a liquidated Rangers with or without the players contracts.

Why pay 45 million for a liquidated Rangers when you can pay 45 million for Rangers under a CVA, its nonsensical.

Why would HMRC accept 9 mill after already knocking back 10 mill?
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Rangers were not in administration, Rangers were not facing liquidation, HMRC was not facing a potential zero return and HMRC was not in a position to deprive all creditors of a 45 mllion settlement.

Agreeing to a 10 million settlement is rewarding the owner of a going concern, agreeing to a 9 million settlement is not rewarding the owner of an insolvent company.

Anorak - good post but a few assumptions there, including the BTC outcome.

The "no history" arguement I don't think stands. A newco will be Rangers, despite what has been written, because ut will buy the rights to be Rangers. What is that worth as a debt-free entity? hard to say but much much more than the figures of c£11m going around for the existing debt-laden package. And yes, probably more than the £45m you mention.

HMRC may well give time for CVA proposals but they have to be absolutely sure they're getting the best deal and they should be asking D&P to get a value for liquidated assets (which they may or may not believe).

I agree the breakdown value of the assets is the big imponderable, however I do not believe they are worth more than 45 million. I think it is telling that Lloyds were happy with the 18 million overdraft secured on the assets, normally this is a 50-50 risk, which values it at 36 million.

Coincidence that CW makes sure the secured debt is 36 million ?

I dont believe so, this man is an expert on liquidations.

29 Apr 2012 17:41:27
I hate slating gers players but if Kyle Bartley ever holds down a starting place in the arsenal team I will attend the next old firm game naked!!!

Ha Ha that would be funny,as you will be an Auld Auld man before the next old firm game.

There won't be another old firm game,talk is the next league game fixture unabled to be fulfilled.

No chance of either bartley wont an no more old firm games

You'll be waiting a long time for that.

Hate players who think kicking opponents will endear themselves to the fans especially loan players, reckon he'll be in the championship next yr

He's shocking, if Whittker ever gets 20k a week wage at another club I will join you naked, mo edu was stinking again aswell.

Kyle barclay will never get a game for arsenal simply not good enough. but the big guy got time on his side . if we get things sorted out a think he would worth the middle wage bracket what ever that is way a contract .

Why do you think he's playing for Rangers?

Don't think you will see him again. Trying to be at the windup in the tunnel before kick off with his wee smirking face. Got shown up for the tw@t he is during the match and should have walked. If Arsenal keep him on Wenger should be committed ato a mental hospital. Next stop for him exeter or jail.

Rangers weren't bad today, Celtic were superb, after what happened at your place last month we had a point to prove and we did that and some, if I'm honest Celtic took their foot off the pedal at 3, fair play to the away support, apart from the standard venom vocals they were still there at the end.

Well there u have it ally was very graishose in defeat saying we never deserved to take anything from the game best team won u would never hear that wee ginger rat say that would u now

Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser.

The wee ginger rqat as you call him has said as much many times. you're just too bigotted to read it.
neil lennon manager of the year.

Why do rangers fans always no matter what change the subject to Lenny........


Kebab shop Owner - sauce and salad Sir..
Rangers Fan - How whats Lennon having ?

Er the "wee ginger rat" would probably be as GRACIOUS as the next man LOL Timalloy
Ps feel free to ask RFFF for a Spellchecker

I don't want to pish on yer chips mate. But there will not be another "old firm" game. Newco means the history stops. It will be Celtic v Rangers 2012. Accept that Rangers are gone forever. The newco is NOT Rangers, it's a newco.

Back to the point!
Bartley was never good enough, that's why Arsenal got rid.
Don't think he's EVER got that 60 yard cross field pass on target.

bill 72

No more old firm? Newco wearing blue at ibrox with same fans. Not very new is it.

I reckon if Bartley was played in position (cb) then he'd be better as izzaguire ripped him apart! He's still young remember
EKger

Newco means no history that seem pretty new to me, wearing blue at ibrox could be st johnstone,.,.

To poster threatening to go naked, are you male or female if the latter i hope its not the last,.,.kbarry

Newco=Rangers if that's what the fans decide. Same ground, same strip, same taunts.

Well, about Bartley, a big guy like that should be a centre half not some kind of clumsy wing back.

I know morale may be down in the Ranger's camp -- but even from the point of view of self-preservation, (this being their last chance to showcase their talents on TV to millions of international viewers) I has expected the 'imported' Rangers players to play their very best. It didn't happen. Among the scots, only McGregor played to his potential.

29 Apr 2012 16:04:13
for what its worth we were solidly beaten today by a very average mob .....the game to be won has come and gone and that was last month at the brox....let them have their title and at the end of the day its deserved ...good to see their wee nippy sweety smiling for a change...no problem wi the ref cause he won.......cmon all you so called businessmen who are acting like amatuers before even buying........deecee

What is the difference between this and the last game, league was in the bag on both occasions, sour grapes since you lost this one I think.

Dundee Utd fan you were beat by a very good football display. your long ball game is a joke to football

The game last month was meaningless as was todays , and if you can explain why any buisnessman would buy rangers then please do tell, it aint gonna be liquidation, its gonna be oblivion, rangers are finished, off to join third lanark!!!!!!!1

A very average mob!! Sour grapes or what! How many games have Celtic lost this season?

The point i was making all you numptys was yi didny win the league at ibrox.....big sickener eh...and yes ...VERY average ...deecee

The the OP, if you think that either Rangers or Celtic are better than "average", then your deluded.

As for the Dundee United fan....LOL...Do Dundee Utd even have their own forum? ^^

Oh c'mon! U gotta be barking if u think Septic are even as good as average! The quality in our game left when the financial bubble burst all we have left is some honest journeymen, hard work and that word character. Anyone with class heads south at the earliest opportunity ..... Aka Jelavic. Sour grapes lol ss..... We were soundly beaten today, fair play bears it's their day ..... But Barcarola under 12s wud pump them gees! Averages is generous Deecee. LB

As a celtic fan have posted on here to usually praise, but never insult, either Rangers or their fans. This post sour grapes...well beaten by a far superior side today...get over that! plus would have been nice to have been able to leave pub today without being subjected to vile sectarian abuse and threats. (did report to local police in blantyre who simply gave ME a breath test..they looked gutted when i passed as I dont drink) for a game that didnt matter to Rangers fans you didnt take a humping very well!

What planet are you on? You were lucky it wasnt 6 or 7 nil hammering from an 'average' team. See you in 3/4 years maybe for another going over. Rankers til July! Ha ha . Andy63

Deecee i am a true blue and we were beaten hands down but these wants of utter nonsense must stop!! Its getting really embarrassing? Go back to school and grow up and then find an other team to dreg through the muck ya creatin!!
Airport bear. W.a.t.p

87 points to the champions..... i rest my case!!
Oh by the way yer new top should have a brass neck on it.... use are below average.....1888......

Get off the first posters back ffs! Celtic r an everage team at best and still the best in Scotland by some way. That's the plain truth of it ......doesn't say much for the rest of us but that's the state of our game. As fxor sour grapes, if u can lose an olds firm game and b happy about it'd there's something wrong! Likewise, if u can't admits u were well beaten ur kidding urself. Take any of us into Europe rite now and we get pumped end of! Time day today they shud enjoy it ....... As for the Celtic fans abused on way home frm pub today ...... That's disgusting mate, e cops r never there when this kind of thing happens. Same thing aft last old firm, bunch if drunk NED Celtic fans this time (but a neds a ned the sentiments the same). Shouting foul mother abuse up and down the street, abusive aggressive and stupid we laddies then targeting a rangers pub full of bears. Cud have kicked off but thankfully didn't. Home safe everyone. LB

I love these deluded posts. It's almost as if they come from the kind of people who think taxes are for everybody else!

Celtic scored 3 great goals and were unlucky not to get a couple more. they didnt seem to push themselves too much. there was a tactical nous about the team that shows they are maturing.
celtic fans are very happy. say what you like it counts for nothing.

Hooper's goal was a cracker, the other two ,well put into perspective they could have been defended better. The first goal (CM'S)the marking was non existent, Common's goal defending was shocking,far too easy for Celtic on the day, but Celtic are no better than an average team, like Dundee utd, or Hearts on a good day. For the "Sour grapes" bunch,-and going back to perspective, if Celtic were any better than average, should they have struggled to win an old firm game this season? Because they lost two at Ibrox, and were fortunate to get a win at the previous Parkhead game. (Wallace's goal)
Scottish football as a whole can be described as "average" at best, probably just about sums it up. Anyone wishing for RFC's demise,while at the same time thinking Celtic will improve,then your sense of reality and intelligence,are certainly below average.
I'm not suggesting that Celtic need Rangers to merely survive financially'but we need each other for the competition.
The old firm "Bragging" and "Gloating" rights are all that keeps both clubs season remotely interesting,take that away and what are you left with?
Stevie-A-Bear

Stevie a bear, your left with this.. ALL YOUR GRANDCHILDREN WILL BE CELTIC FANS !!!!!!!!!1

29 Apr 2012 14:53:00
Gutless heartless and spineless about somes up rangers today. Not one you could give pass marks to. As for edu and Bartley please make that their last appearance in a blue shirt give someone anyone a start before these two jokers !

All team failures are a reflection on the manager.
We need a complete rebuild starting with the coaching staff.

Ds you think if we git relegated to 3rd division we will come back to spl in 3 seasons

Where's papac?

How dare you slag bartley! Kyle is a great player playing for a substandard scottish team! I would have him back at Arsenal tomorrow! Jusy b'coz your team are pathetic don't take it out on the English guy!

Bartley is mince mate. The rosting Izzaguire gave him will give him nightmares for years to come!

To the Arsenal fan.... I am a celtic fan and am always delighted to see bartley on the rangers team sheet... Everytime he trys to noise players up in the tunnel and on the pitch by laughing at them like hes a superstar! The guys a complete imposter and its got f*** all to do with being english!!

Bartley worst player on the pitch but saying that u have to ask y ally played him at right back

Kyle Bartley will be a legend one day. Rangers will be forgotten as some scotch team who were liquidated!

If Bartley was that good mate wtf is he doin at Rangers?

Is that you Kyle? Haha. Im sure Wenger will have been delighted with what he saw today. Leg-ned.

Lucky to stay on the park today, should have been booked 5 minutes before he did get booked.

Bartley has played a handful of decent games for the Gers since he came here and I think the arsenal imposter is at a wind-up, Arsenal must be paying all his wages cause he is mince and the sooner he heads south the better

I always try to be fair Kyle Bartley has no positional sense for a full back ,don't know why he was selected need to blame the coaching staff

Bartley was at full back so anyone with pace would trouble him. As for slagging any of the players off, these are the same players who have given up a massive part of their wages to help keep us alive. Paying for other peoples cheating. Your all out of order slating them. This was just about the same team who gave me one of my favourite ever games when we stopped them winning the league at Ibrox.We were beaten by the better team on the day, but if the shoe was on the other foot would their players do the same for their club. Who knows , but ours have and each and every one of the Rangers should be and are all heroes...

It's got nothing to do with him being English.
He's s**te.Believes in his "Arsenal status".Somehow I don't think Arsene will be reaching for his phone and bringing him back.

I disagree with no pass marks, okay the better team on the day won, so be it. Bocanegra and Whittaker played okay, and Aluko and McCulloch had little service to play with. I agree Bartley was poor and Edu didn't play well, but I wouldn't go making him the fall guy again. Celtic wanted it more today and other than bragging rights it's the first OF game in a while that has had nothing at stake.

Edu=rock all season but thanks all the same tim!

I wouldn't get to strident about our players taking pay cuts when others wouldn't.

I suspect if we had gone into administration in January when the window was still open and D&P had tried to cut their wages then, most of them would have taken the redundancy option. Lets not forget that the pay cut was delayed for days if not weeks while D&P negociated with the players who offered a wage deferral. Which meant a pay cut now with the balance paid when a new owner comes in.

They are playing for less money becuase they have little choice. Look at Gregg Wylde he took his walking papers and still hasn't kicked a ball for Bolton. If these guys were so committed they wouldn't have demanded the release clauses in their contracts when they took the pay cut!

29 Apr 2012 14:44:49
Just watched the Gers Ceptic game. As lack-luster a performance as I have seen in a while. At least the underperforming players are getting paid closer to what they are worth now!

GB

Shut up! Rangers are still the champions. Celtic only wun the legeau coz we were daductid 10 points {Ed022's Note - How many points is Celtic ahead of Rangers at the moment sorry?}

After that performance the players should just hand over their weeks wages cause that was just embarassing.

Celtic were pish today we should've won!

11 points clear without the deduction..take off those blue specs and have a bit of dignity .... i can only assume your age or mental age is the same number (* 11)

Haha how many of these mentalists have you had trying to post on here today Ed?

That game was a walk in the park for Celtic. They showed why they are champions regardless of the ibroke soap opera. {Ed022's Note - A fair bit.}

How cool is it to have some sort sort of administrator - still find it astounding that some guys still do not believe the severity - (big word) means the danger that you are still in. Listen I have said for weeks that RFC had a problem especially with D & P, the issue now is Rangers - liquidation is the only option, no other chance.

29 Apr 2012 14:21:44
May get slated here but here goes. I would of had kerker on from start. First come to ibrox I thought never a football player but would of done a job down the flank today. Still proud of the team after everything that has happened. Today wasn't our day

I would have fielded young boys and dropped the dross.

These players could have taken Rangers into liquidation, but instead they have done everything to try to save the club. Results are irrelevant now

Wow. Some adult type posts. Seeing the bigger picture. Better more experienced rangers teams have lost worse than that. No complaints. Best team won on day.

Todays team beat Motherwell 3 nil last week.

29 Apr 2012 13:33:40
Edu and bartley are stinking at best, Andy little is a poor man's Steven Thomson and he wasn't that good in his day, be lucky if this ain't 5-0 or 6-0

Try supporting your team instead of slagging them

You forgot stinking whitty anaw

You mentioned 2 or 3 players who are poor. i would go as far as saying that 95% of the rangers team is rank rotten. if(big if) we are saved there must be a total clearout of ibrox starting with our manager ally mccoist. what annoys me is that celtic are bang average yet streets ahead of us.

Shud a played the u18's to show the rest of Scottish football what they may have voted for next season
A 5 or6 defeat then wouldn't be so bad.

As it is nobody gets pass marks today ( maybe boca)& they all look like they' ve went a game to many

bill72

Bartley reverts to the rangers norm ... if you can't get the ball, get the man ...

In fairness to bartley, he is constantly played out of position. but yes, he is badly exposed at fullback.

Celtic have a good young side who are improving. McCullough was never going to bully the Celtic defence today and that is the only tactic rangers have.Played off the park today and we have the best kids. For every 1 good kid you have, we have 5 better young players.

your team for the next 5 seasons will be weaker than today's.

Shocking tackle from Brown ... how could he miss him at that range ?

To the celtic fan:
Name 5 good young celtic players that are regulars that are home grown

Poor performance and outplayed today but we can only hope that the worst we'll face for a while
EKger

The Celtic fan never said h 5 youngsters were regular players, read the post. He just said 5 youngsters. When you bear in mind the age of the Celtic team you cannot disagree with ths. Forrest, wanyama and Matthews are all under 21. Mcgeough, tony watt the list goes on.

The list goes on, well name them then. matthews got pelters off ur fellow fans in the last old firm game and tony watt is suddenly the best thing since sliced bread having played 1 game against a poor spl team. ur gettin way 2 ahead of yourself. i wait in anticipation to see what they can do at champions league level or should i say qualification elimination.

Just wait till celtic get eliminated from the qualifiers and as usual alan thomson, neil lennon and the usual fundamentalists will blame all but their granny!

Got to be in it to win it...... will just take the money from as many qualifying rounds as we can for cl and euro and keep the wolf from the door .... the whole pack is sniffing blood over at your house and no chance of money coming from any source...

OOh sour grapes for sale at Ibrox please buy to save our club!

You lot will be lucky to qualify for the spl the way your going.wee word of advice, if you have a mirror in your den, have a wee look in it you might see an answer too all your troubles.

Its one OF game guys, nothing to play for. Yes we were shocking, but lets remember weve outplayed this mob 3 times this season. Thought we started well, but relying on McCabe was a poor decision from AM, hardly any play went through Aluko either which was bad as hes out playmaker. Full credit to Celtic though, they turned up on the day and won convincingly, Rangers offered nothing going forward(or defensively either).

In it to win it. u havin a laugh. you won't even get in it. qualification failure is a certainty!

Brown reverts to SPL norm if he's not the main man hell kick the next opponent. And he is Scotland's main man in midfield. Should have seen red today. Yellow in first half. Yellow in second. Poor excuse for a pro player.

29 Apr 2012 11:32:05
Looks like the Blue Knights joint bid has been described as way too low by the administrators. For goodness sake, why can't they just bid say £20m and out of that make sure the creditors get a reasonable return? Once cashflow picks up again next season things will get better. To offer £5m is pathetic.

They don't have 20 million to bid perhaps ???

Wide want evidence of the 5 m tbh

bill73

What don't you get? TBK are going in low to get everything at rock bottom price, because no one else wants such a toxic situation to try and recompence such creditors with a reasonable return, plus they obviously don't have access to any more money.

Would you put money into Rangers right now? What would you get back?

TBH.......no.

Who says they don't have access to more money. Do you think if there wealth stood at 20 mill they'd put it all in and have nothing left? Come on get a grip. They do have more finance. Just its needed elsewhere and don't want to play there best hand just yet. They are business men not fickle fans.

The BK's could have 30/40 million and it still wouldn't be enough to save Rangers.

Its 5m now, imagine how low it was before these two 'business' men got together! Total joke, we deserve better. I never thought we would go into liquidation but now I think it is inevitable.

Blue knights have been trying their hardest since day one,but more and more debt is making it impossible for them.Liquidate now.....

The trouble with these business men is that they are just that! They are trying to squeeze every pound for as much as possible. My problem is that they are ruining what reputation we have left by trying to ensure that the CVA is as low as absolutely possible - Shameful!

£5m gets creditors about 4p in the pound, as a bid that's equal to 2 ginger bottles and a packet of crisps. D&P say assets worth £120m, so even if they can realis 1/2 of that at £60m then what's the point of a creditor agreeing to a CVA when liquidation gives 50p in the pound. Murray (P) is another chancer, trying to get everybody else to finance his hoped-for journey to the big ego job as CEO. Hunt roon the bins, Paul, and ye'll mibbe find another two or three glass cheques to increase yir bid.

29 Apr 2012 09:52:08
Whyte to transfer his shares to Ticketus to clear his debt and walk away with a wee bonus profit for his quid, then ticketus will hold the cards.

Surprise surprise ... Ticketus was always key around any deal , they'll get he haw from miller as his preffered option is liquidation where as with the BK want a CVA ?? No further forward !!

Whyte is Ticketus. They are more than happy to gain the assets by liquidation as they sell everything to the debt free newco.

Just a thought. Which would Celtic fans prefer. A newco debt free rangers with possibly new owners with finance or a rangers with present history and financial handicaps? Either way its no walk in the park for them which is why they are sobitter.

Speaking as both a Celtic fan and as a respector of rules. What I want to see is rangers doing their best to pay their bills. I don't care about embargos and I don't care about 10 point deductions I would be quite happy for neither to be applied if you settle your bills.

Lots of small businesses have been let down by you, yet all I ever read on here is protect the history, If you don't pay your bills your history will be that of a club that orders goods they have no intention of paying for and in the case of Lee wallace no intention of sending back!

Hang your heads in shame

Wish Whyte would just F-ck off,he is nothing but a little boy,with his toys.Hope him @ his dad never set foot in Ibrox ever again.Will the wee boy be safe to walk Glasgow with pride any time DO NOT THINK. Comments please.

29 Apr 2012 01:15:44
Ally in this mornings Sun saying he's ashamed of Rangers.
Ashamed of owing money all across Europe, money teams are unlikely to get paid.

So am i ashamed. whyte is not, never has and never will be. there is no shame in his game. All foootball fans are only guilty of demanding success but they pay good hard earned cash to go and watch football while players are well over paid. You cant blame the fans for bills not being paid and owners must get hammered for taking thousands of fans money and not paying bills or breaking any tax laws.

"The Sun" you say, "this morning". It dosen't run on the 7th day mate.

He is not ashamed of rangers he is ashamed of the situation big difference.
craig+babybear

Why is he moaning about not being allowed to sign players then? That's what got us in this mess

The S*n on Sunday is out, strangely enough, on a Sunday.

Not heard of the Sun on Sunday which has been around for a while now? It's replaced the News of the World.

Article online

How can people say unbelievable when it's true?

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4286068/Team-I-love-owe-money-to-clubs-all-over-Europe-thats-what-shames-me.html

Call me a cynic but I just do not believe Ally is this naive or emotional, his recent statements tell me Ally knows his career in football management is over. He seems intent on promoting himself as the peoples champion with all the financial spin offs this entails.

28 Apr 2012 23:54:05
Can some extremely intelligent fellow bear please explain to me how we can justify protesting against the SFA today, yet still insist on calling our training ground "Murray Park". The man started this carnage years ago, is the main reason for every problem we have and yet nothing constructive is being done to highlight it. Forget blaming everyone else including CW, the media and now the SFA, DM brought it all on the club. Despite all this we expect our players to refuse to play for Scotland as a protest. Sorry to burst the bubble but most players love their country more than their club, would rather play in a scotland strip than wave a Union Jack...Its crazy to expect them to give it up....get a grip!!

If there were any intelligent bears you would not be in such a mess.

I 'm a Tim and all through the 1990's would growl at Ally in a Bear's jersey week in out to miss, but put Scotland top on, was right behind him. that's called being a scottish fitba fan. Boycotts? That's what you put your ball boys in when their born FFS get a grip!

As a rangers fan I'd never expect a rangers player not to play for Scotland and to ask him not to play is very unfair . Yes Murray has to answer for Ebt if found to have cost rangers millions. But at moment the name of the training ground is utterly irrelevant. With what's going on its the least of our worries. What's in a name?

The idea of not playing for Scotland is the possibility of injury therefor leaving Gers struggling for bodies.

Wait until the SFA and SPL punish Rangers for the EBTs fiasco, the fans will go ballistic.

Rangers will not be in Europe for 3 years.

Is that the latest nonsense? Players not to play for Scotland? Right that's it I'm finished forget it, it's over lowest of the low. Been s tartan army bear all my life.. Now I'm tartan army only.

It was all Murray's super ego with other peoples money.

You ain't no Rangers man. The so called big tax case is still to be resolved so nothing can be pinned on SDM. CW has taken paye and Ni from all members of staff at Ranges but never handed it over to the relevant authorities.tax case apart the debt was 18 Million to Lloyds.
You need to get a grip. Too many idiots like you spoil forums for people with sense.

Do you think hundreds of years of tradition can be forgotten in an instant? It was a show of unity against adversity as well as a protest against the SFA. A publicity stunt and a venting of anger,frustration even letting off steam if you like. Instead if sitting on our hands we had a chance to make our voices heard! Doubt any one of us can force a changing of name at our training ground too, as much as we'd like to. As for boycotting the "national team" that's up to the individual. Be player or fan.its their choice.

Tam

I posted some time ago to rename Bill Struthers park

I fear today's march could end up being a funeral procession for our gravely sick club.
TBK bid is hopelessly woeful. Little hope now fellow bears.

Hundreds of years of bigotry. Any decent rangers fan would be embarrassed about the history. For me a newco is a lower division is required to remove this blot against Scots because of their religion.

Rangers are watered down scots.

Tam, hope you still to put one of those silver blankets on after your marathon walk, cause you appear to be still dilluisional.

The BTC is resolved, Rangers lost it in 2010, its the amount they are appealing.

SDM should have been penalised by both the SFA and SPL.

Well done a senisble bear

Rangers fans are understandably reluctant to taint SDM as it taints his period in charge, and all the trophies under his stewardship.

Anorak

I'm sure you mean Bill Struth!

Have you ever stopped to think how much more debt we would be in without the EBTs? To get the same guys on the payroll if they were paying proper income tax would have increased the wage related debt by about 35%. That £80M of a few years ago would have been £110M maybe even more!

If European teams are forced to take a CVA pennies watch UEFA hammer Rangers hard.

Was at the Scotland and Ireland game years ago and some of the tartan army was singing 'we hate rangers more than you' to the Ireland fans. So what does that say? I agree rangers should be punished,however you cant all of a sudden change the rules. Look at the clubs before rangers who went into admin and nothing happend to them.

Im a celtic fan ,to the post above the name yir looking for is bill struth i think lol,

Nothing new here - just venting anger.
Not new for players to refuse to play for Scotland either- e.g Fletcher
What we goin to do if they don't refuse to play e.g Naismith ( if he's still there?)

bill72

Well EBTs apart if SDM had ran things so well why was nobody willing to buy the club, why was the club sold for £1? SDM has already been found liable for tax avoidance for the wee tax case which was never paid off. SDM or MIH owe the bank 900 million, everything he achieved was with other peoples money. I hope when this Big tax case result is made public the rangers fans hold SDM and every player who benefited from it accountable.

Just me or are ppl thick? graeme

Most of the problems are down to Murray, even without taking the BTC into account. He was in charge of a club living way beyond its means for years and the sooner Rangers fans understand that he is highly complicit in the demise of their club, the better.

1903

Bill Renagers more like

I want to see out players play for Scotland, but as the guy above said, what happens if Naismith or Mcsha**er get injured playing for Scotland and are out for 3 months ?. Every Rangers fan to a man would be outraged that such an important player would get injured whilst playing for the same S.F.A who would not allow us to sign another player as cover. And as far as Murray park name being changed, just leave it as it is THE PAUL MURRAY PARK. Catweazle-talkingbone.

Rangers lost the BTC and offered HMRC 10 million and they said no, SDM was found guilty in Jan 2010 and the SFA are awaiting the tribunals result before punishing RFC further. Too many Rangers fans want to recover in a season for all this shambles, it will take longer.

"You ain't no Rangers man. The so called big tax case is still to be resolved so nothing can be pinned on SDM. CW has taken paye and Ni from all members of staff at Ranges but never handed it over to the relevant authorities.tax case apart the debt was 18 Million to Lloyds.
You need to get a grip. Too many idiots like you spoil forums for people with sense."
ARE YOU MENTAL.?. Nothing can be blamed on SDM. You need to take those blue tinted glasses of you fool. Whyte's interference only brought this to a head, the problem existed BECAUSE of SDM chasing a European trophy. I cannot believe you posted that comment, away and stay off the special brew you moron and if this is ruining the forum for you then you know what you can do if you cannot listen to reason. Sally.

Rangers wont play in europe until

a) they out of administration
b) they repay any outstanding ammount to any european club
c) they present accounts for a year

So rangers out of europe for a good few years, before any ban.

Now if they fail the BTC appeal - worse financial penalties fall and MUST be paid before they can return to europe

And IF they fielded players in ANY game at ANY level with dual-contracts, then futher bans will take place at each competition, leauge and level........ and BIG IFFFFFFFF

a one year ban on new players, will seem insignificant, to the bans and fines that follow if dual contracts existed...

And of course there will then be the legal claims of any club in any game against such a team, for financial loss.... e.g. hibs loosing cup final - and thus entry to europe..... what are these claims likely to be... ?