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29 Sep 2012 11:39:59
Interesting times indeed!

Roll up & spend your last dime!

Over the last 24 hours I have been contacted by two sources from within the Scottish Football League.They both told me a very similar tale.
One source said that within the higher echelons of both the SFL and the SPL discussions are at an advanced stage for a "rapid restructuring" of Scottish football.
This will accelerate Sevco's progression up the leagues.

The other source was more specific and he stated that a 16 team SPL a ten team "championship" and a bottom 16 team SFL was being considered.

Both of these sources, contacting me independently, were very angry that "another stitch up", as one man characterised it, was being hatched by the people in charge of the national game in Scotland.

Both these men said that this move, if it materialised beyond the stage of discussions, would be strongly resisted on the grounds that it was being created to benefit one club.

Developing story.

 


Who is this so called "SEVCO" team, because I can't find them listed in any league.


I hope this is not the case as iam enjoying where we r, even if it takes longer to get back to spl am not sure we want to be there i personally would prefer to be in a top league made up of the top few european teams that dont have the same resourses to them as the epl, so scotland, holland, denmark and so on ?


29 Sep 2012 12:26:12
Yep the old ESTABLISHMENT and SUCCULENT LAMB
brigade are at it. Anything to get their beloved NEWCO back into the BIG BOYS league. Shocking PK


Benifit one club typical sceptic fan spreading craig whyte


I don't believe it is being done to benefit one club (I take it your contacts means The Rangers). It is being done to benefit the Suits at the SPhelL and the 11 teams in the SPhelL who will find their cloth maybe cut a bit too tight this season.


You mean to benefit all the SPL clubs who r not financially viable without Rangers!? Oh yes u damn well do! LB


I'd rather stay in the SFL thanks!


What club is going to benefit ? celtic ,away back into your wee broom cupboard reagan doug t.s.o


This is designed to benefit Rangers, the other top 11 idiot teams in the spl and to try and save rhegans jhob.
I just wish the timmies would give up their relentless pursuit of Rangers...no matter what they do or say, Rangers will ALWAYS be around!!

GET USED TO IT!!!!!!!!!

I dont want this 'new restructuring' rubbish. I am perfectly happy where we are.....on our way back up the leagues, making new friends, visiting new grounds and generally enjoying it. Long live Glasgow Rangers, long live the SFL...the ONLY organisation with any integrity!!


If you are referring to rangers we don't want restructuring in the interest of sporting integrity we want to play our way back.The restructuring will be to benefit the sporting integrity voters who are now realising that they have cut their own throat financially


The 16th best supported team in Europe don't require any corrupt and bigoted establishment conjure anything on our behalf . We are happy to continue to progress through the leagues and watch the treacherous SPL clubs should voted against us for reasons of hatred and bigotry , (nothing to do with ethics)falter and subsequently fall into administration.


No thanks, happy to stay in the SFL and work our way back up the divisions, the corrupt SPL and SFA need Rangers as Scottish Football is dying a slow death, its all about the Rangers.


Settle down, Timmy. You really need to sort out your obsession with our great club.
Firstly I don't want us to go anywhere. Let's do this right, win all the leagues and get back to where we belong the right way.
Also, this will benefit the SFL as much as possible and have the exact opposite effect on the SPL, meaning both leagues will get exactly what they deserve.
Finally, I can't find a team called Sevco - what league are they in?


If they are missing us that much and the sphell aint working y dont they quit the sphell and apply to the sfl for entry to div 3


And who exactly are you anyway ..why would 2 separate sources contact you ...C'mon give us a clue ! .. Are you Peter Liewell ?


Celtic fans don't understand that we are happy to play our way through the divisions. We don't require any help that may cut our journey short just to help the corrupt SPL/SFA financially. I would like to add, hoping gers fans agree, that if and I mean if, our titles are taken from us then contemplating going back to the celtic run SPL would be a no no. The gers fans would be so sick inside and angry that not even the chance of European football could lift the gloom but staying out and watching the SPL crumble would be sweet revenge. Geo the Ger


They wont vote for that to spite rangers. whats the point, its gonna save us one season, outa spl 2 seasons instead of 3. pointless. shouldve been done in the summer, it didnt so screw em. lets win 4 leagues in a row


No to any accelerated progression by anything proposed by the spl and sfa. Yes to spl boycott if they steal our titles but willing to return only when titles returned to the rightful owners. 54 and counting.


Copied and pasted from another source... Well done OP.


Jeeso, what a bitter toerag. I don't believe for a second that anybody from the SFL has contacted you and if by some miracle, the long awaited restructuring were true, your first thought being how would it benefit rangers instead of how it would benefit Scottish football only reveals how obsessed you are with us.
Besides, as I'm sure you're aware, the support is enjoying our SFA challenge.


Geo the Ger; Rangers would also be walking a tightrope financially if boycotting SPL but agree if they take any of our titles away then who cares about SFA,SPL,EUROPE until titles giving back.


Funny this comes out at the time of the spl and sfa about to make statements on the ebt and dual contract issue before this panel makes theyre statement.. i think they have been told there isnt a case to answer by the lord so this could be a case of saying sorry we were wrong , bare in mind the sfl refused to back them on stripping of titles after the sfl seen the same so called docs on this issue.....
stay in the sfl thanks very much.....


They can take our titles but they wont take our history


Sounds like another unsigned Timmy trying their best to stir up trouble - go away we're not interested in your fake stories.
JMG


Geo the ger with you 100% we would struggle but it cant get worse the div 3 and we still here but they will all too INCLUDING celtic, they have to give in eventually as no old firm no scottish football eventually we are already a joke in world terms without the old firm there is no attraction to scottish football, the fact celtic are not clear miles ahead is they are suffering the same cup final mentality every game THIS Always fades later in season and esp over winter rangers and celtic will both win their leagues by 15/20 pts which means empty seats every year and no competitive edge ... i would sit it out at the top of SFL for as long as it takes till either new set up in scotland or euro leagues by invitation... goerge


Major reconstruction was always on the cards! This was planned to benefit the WHOLE of Scottish football, and to include a major shakeup in youth development which is now underway! This reconstruction is already years behind, crowds for most clubs are dwindling and the national team has deteriorated, so bring it on NOW so that ALL can benefit and move forward! In the meantime Rangers have a job to do in sfl 3 and for our part we intend to stick to it!


Under no circumstances do i want fast tracked up the leagues and would only go back in the spl if they drop this title stripping exercise and sack the ceo


Who is this sevco you mention in your article?


A developing story where? The Gallowgate!
Not in my clubs name thanks PB


The league restructure needs to occur for the sake of Scottish football along with the requirements of SPL membership...who cares if you have a 10,000 seated stadium if your ave attendance is only have 4,000? What we need is to adopt a two tier system of 20 teams then have a conference which includes the top 4 of the highland league and the top 4 of the southern league. add in the bottom two of the current Div 3. Allow promotion right the way through scottish football. Top teams should also consider running a second team in the secon division to allow thier youth to progress in scottish football much like spain. This is not to benefit rangers but to spread the wealth that the old firm fans bring to football in general. So far this season I have enjoyed going to Ibrox and watching teams attack us at home...whilst we are struggling away but generally I am falling in love with watching football again...I have been fed up with teams sitting at Ibrox trying to close up shop... Generally I dont care much about any SPL team however they are all now feeling the wrath of thier own decision (which was thiers to do what was right for thier club). I dont fast tracked back to help them balance thier books... but i do feel for the long term benefit of SCOTTISH football we must change the structure of our game....I would love to attend a World Cup suppporting my National team but it seems to me that we are hindered by the SFA and teams struggling to hang onto the coat-tails of European giants which we cannot compete with financially so we must amend our youth system and develop internally...Rangers youth players which i have seen this season might be the main reason I am enjoying my football...I would rather watch any of them other than half-wits like Sandaza or Kyle who appear to be at Rangers for the love of Money!!

So come on for the sake of Scottish football...
1 Make a good youth acadamy a must for top tier rather than an empty stadium.
2 Restructure... but allow promotion/relegation to occur throughout Scottish football leagues
3 Get rid of mediocre foreigners and invest instead in youth...(Rangers have been guilty of this more than most)


The post "They can take our titles but they won't take our history" is from a celtic fan 'cos no bluenose in his right mind would say that. The posts about boycotting the SPL if our titles are taken from us must be annoying celtic fans so much. TAKE OUR TITLES THEN NO SPL UNTIL THEY'RE RETURNED! WATP


As a share holder to be i will insist that we dont set foot in the spl till the time is right for rangers and not scottish football rangers and ONLY rangers...les


Looks like the OP Celtic fan on our banter site has unconsciously help start a boycott of the SPL. Fan power threw Rangers out of the SPL and the Gers fans can make sure they stay out if titles are removed. Our fans have done nothing wrong so stripping of titles would really hurt and only some sort of revenge would satisfy them. SFA/SPL don't mess with the fan's feelings.


Heard it will be a div 1 of 20 and div 2 of 22 to be put in place,


Do u finally think the penny is dropping, the mist is clearing, little timmy is maybe ready to listen, alot not all but ah sense a growing percentage do not want to go back to the spl even if it means no european football. the leagues need reconstruction and all leagues under the one banner either sfl or a new set up, sfa needs simpilised too many old dinosaurs with no clue how the modern game works. spl, rip quickly please


Wake up if this is true its not to suit one club its to suit scottish football take a look at the spl its dying on its feet i as a rangers fan couldnt give a dam if we are in the top or bottom league im loving the change of scenery and have no wish to be pushed up to any league we will get there in our own time think abot it why would it benefit us the crowds wouldnt be any bigger we cant play in europe we dont get any money from the tv deal so why is it to suit us i ask you. Cooperboy


Radio Clyde's panel members, sometime last week, commented about a Rangers boycott of SPL but agreed it would never happen because the lure of European football was too much of a miss. How wrong they are. Geo's post is bang on-the hurt of losing our titles would be too much to bear and any thought of going back into the SPL would be repulsive.


Now that Radio Clyde's been mentioned, they spoke of how Germany has a policy of filling the stadiums by dropping ticket prices to a tenner! Don't quote me but I think their kids get in for nought, or next to! WOW! Our clubs & the SFA need to drop this c#ap about "devaluing the product" and start filling the grounds again with a new generation, & giving us a bigger & better atmosphere at the game! They keep harpin on that money is tight, wit about supporters! Ibrox recently has been an eye opener of what it could be like, but it would need to STAY like that & be across the board for everybody for it to work, but it does work in Germany. The Jags do a similar thing for kids, free, (or really cheap) season tickets.
I know this has been a wee bit off the subject!

Skint supporter.


The league restructure needs to occur for the sake of Scottish football along with the requirements of SPL membership...

Wasted my time reading this,mate.
To much common sense for the average Scottish Football administrator to deal with.Pyramid system,play-offs,etc.
Who at the top of Scottish Football is going to vote for that.We're only fans remember.


If titles are took from us then our proud world record of 54 titles will be gone also the plaque from uefa depicting our first to 50 domestic titles. A future proposed boycott of Liewell's SPL must be made known by our supporter's groups prior to the forthcoming kangaroo court proceedings. Our supporters must be heard. Charles Green should hold back any share issue until the way ahead is more clear. Take our titles away then absolutely no return to the SPL - unless they're restored.


If any of you think that whoever owns the club you you eventually win promotion to the SPL will knock back that opportunity is an idiot. The owners are never going to make any money by being outwith the top league in Scotland. And I dare say that all this feeling like a victim mentality will eventually fad and you all would jump at the chance.
Why don't you all get out of this playground sulk and act like adults.
Al


Was at the game yesterday and a thought that was a poor performance all round. Against a highlands league team wee should b running a mock but once again ally can't fire the team up ! Fellow bears can we say we are happy ? We may have won but buy the skin of our teeth.
W.a.t.p r.t.i.d
ur days are numberd ally get it sorted


It's changed days Al. The supporters can now determine what their chairmen do. No to the SPL. Leave our titles alone. watp


If the SFL has a look at the pre-SPL days following this investigation and decides to strip more titles, what will you do then? Boycott all football in Scotland until you get what you want?

Or if the SPL strips titles and UEFA backs it to the hilt, will you boycott European football if it ever returns too?

Stop behaving like utter muppets and accept that if your club did something wrong in fielding ineligible players then there will have to be sanctions. You would demand a 3-0 win awarded to you if it was found Rangers had been involved in a match in which the opposition had fielded ineligible players and won.


We won comfortable, watched the game myself, the had one good chance of note.


"If the SFL has a look at the pre-SPL days following this investigation and decides...."

That's not the point though (and not being a Rangers supporter you don't get it). The fact is the suits had presumed guilt in advance of an investigation and, possibly worse, after bleating about sporting integrity, were suggesting a deal whereby forfeiting a certain number of titles would result in retaining a place in the SPhelL. They can't even spell integrity. Doncaster & Regan - Corrupt To The Core


No, the point is if guilt is proven, sanctions must be applied. Simple.


Sanctions must be applied say celtic fans...sanctions to them means our titles, nothing else. Why not choose others i.e. fine for person that introduced ebt dual contracts. Give the fans a break.


Oldco were 1 of the biggest campaigners for Marseille to be stripped of their European cup they cheated to win. Why now is stripping of titles not acceptable as a punishment? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.


There was never a team or organisation called oldco involved im any Euro competitions. I have looked all over google and UEFA websites mate.


In the words of william wallace "THEY MAY TAKE OUR TITLES BUT THEY WILL NEVER TAKE OUR MEMORIES" {Ed039's Note - I dont think he said that lol)


To all the septics that have now joined our site - your liewell spl will fall apart without Rangers. Stealing our titles would be a big mistake because we'll make sure no more spl for us thereby no more sky deals,etc. for your pathetic league.


Sure guy ! ! But a think green does not agree.
FACT. green has always stated that he is there to make money , without spl there will b no Europe without Europe there will b no money coming in leading to ibrox becoming a new tesco / asda. ur fans have learned nothing in all this and will only exsist in books if use are not careful?
ITS UR CALL. Jimmy timm


If its of any conscellation, the Melbourne Sto won their first premiership yesterday since being striped of titles which included: 3 premierships, 1 minor premiership and 1 world club championship! This is the closest case to your current situation! They were caught cheating through irregular payment breaches and salary cap breaches and were stripped of anything won whilst playing! Last season were stripped of titles and had to play last season for no premiership points and hence finished bottom!
But their fans carried on, no threats of boycott, no threats to people or organizations! Just carried on with dignity and a realization that their club cheated and were caught out! But I would expect that from non football supporters!
I think you people need to take a long hard look at yourselves! It wasn't you that was cheating it was your club and seriously nothing to do with the supporters! The posts on here are bordering on the rediculous and are resembling child tantrums! Absolutely pathetic!
I can give it the old "it's only a sport" but might get shouted down with "it's more than a sport it's my life" type of garbage! If that was the care you best take a long hard look at yourself because it is not!
The way that the Ranger's supporters have been treated in all this is nothing short of disgraceful! You do not deserve this and shame on anyone who would even think that you do! Your club deserve to have someone decent at the helm to steer you back to your rightful place at the top of British football! But wishing that every other club collapses to exact some sort of distorted sense of justice is just stooping to your opponents low level!
You have to move forward like the storm have and put this sorry episode in the past!


Did willie wallace no play for hearts and celtic ? doug t.s.o


Thank you to all the bluenoses that understand that the best way to save our titles is to threaten a boycott of the SPL. This would make them think twice about choosing this specific sanction. If our fans are ignored then Scottish football will suffer financially, by the actions of our fans in the not to distant future.


Poor timmies are bricking it at the thought of no Rangers in the sphell.

They KNOW for a FACT that no Rangers = no decent money for tv rights, then the spl WILL die on its backside.

spl, just hurry up and die......


Did Murray not say at time of Marseille scandal which was far more sinister and not even comparable to rangers that if we didn't win it on the park we didn't want it?


Spl teams stated they gave the queation to there fans regarding where go send Rangers. We will now decide what we will do. My answer is to them is RETRIBUTION will be sweet.


Restructure the leagues, but leave rangers at whatever level they are at at the end of the current regulations. that way scottish football gets what it needs without it being or looking bias towards anyone. VP


Celtic supporters methinks that we are just bluffing about boycotting - we are happy just being an sfl club because we were nearly no more. If we do not go back into their league, it will be no more for them-not us! If you want the gers back then don't touch our trophies. Tommy S.


Love it! Rangers supporters thinking everyone else is bricking it at the rangers bigots boycotting the SPL pmsl
Seriously who the feck cares! The SPL is doing just fine without your rancid club! You seriously are kidding yourself if you think people are worried! Because its just the best case of cutting your noses off to spite your bitter and twisted ugly faces pmsl
These sites of yours are so addictive it is just such a fantastic laugh I am loving it! As are so many others! The way yous are carrying in its like watching chimpanzees at the zoo it is just brilliant lol
Yeah, go ahead and boycott cos seriously no one outside of your sad little deluded works cares about you! And according to your pathetic song I think yous really do care that everyone hates you lol
So girfuy :-) pmsl


It is like kids in the school playground.you done this wee done that.it is only a game of football.just go at the weekend and enjoy it,whether you have 100 titles or none,it makes no difference.just go and watch the game on a weekend and enjoy it.ma dads bigger than your dad,grow up. OLD BOB.


Get the banners ready: STEAL OUR TITLES - STUFF YOUR SPL WATP


It's working, septics getting annoyed with the bears starting to unite against the Liewell/SPL/SFA plan to steal our titles. They all wrongly think we need them for euro football entry but rather say no to their corrupt disintegrating league.


RFC are not bricking themselves. Fact is spme of the teams in the SPL are. They know that in a couple of years time they will have no income from RFC. Why should we pay and support them . I will welcome more teams from the SFL. The Stupid Football Ass are in trouble too financialy. RFC made mistakes no doubt bit we are correcting them. SPL and SFA made a complete hash of the who process. Forget his name but the guy from the SFL Should be put in charge.


Rangers supporters should inform C.Green that under no circumstances whatsoever do we enter into discussions with anyone about league reconstruction, if any stripping of titles happens or is still on the SPL agenda at that given time. Wishing your club all the best. Blues Brother


Good to see the defiant posts from the darkside.
Face it whoops..........you need Rangers for a decent tv package........sky WILL NOT pay for a one horse league.
Anyone that says otherwise is seriously deluded!!
I welcome the slow painful death of the sphell.

Havin a party as the spl dies..........
Champagne and caviare as the spl dies....

:)


Good post blues bro, hope Green takes your advice 'cos don't think he'll last long at Ibrox if any double dealing with spl and sfa takes place-unless our trophy room remains intact.


The joy they will feel on taking titles from us ,will NEVER erase the pain they felt on the day we WON them WATP . . .


So PMSL if nobody is intersted in Rangers, what are you doing posting on this site. Proves you are interested.


Green initially stated he was only hear for the mpney as he knew he would sell RFC on. After talking to him and listening he seems to be in it for the long haul. I have dealt with many Yorkshire men and please believe me they are stubborn. He is enjoying the fight.


01 Oct 2012 18:13:59
enjoy your champagne and caviar party in the SFL, we'll be enjoying our jelly and ice cream all over Europe for the indefinite future! remember, 5pm KO tomorrow!

HH


I don't care if you want to come back to the SPL or not. I do care that teams do not gain by cheating and if they are caught are rightfully punished. These threats of what fans will do if the titles are removed are misguided and highlight why the rest Scottish fans demanded you start in Div 3. If cheating is proved the titles will be removed if no cheating is found they wont. Just tell me what is wrong with that.

Grout {Ed039's Note - Nothing wrong with wanted cheating punished, it just has to be proven first. I also note that you mention Scottish fans demands, is the same Scottish fans that promised to buy season tickets and sell out stadiums if Rangers were removed to SFL 3 but have so far yet to fill a stadium? You see, fans and chairmen say alot of things, but they dont always follow through with it is my point here, so dont read too much into threats of staying away from the SPL)


Celtic fans don't get it, without Gers in your septic league, say over 4 seasons, your attendances will fall dramatically, your spending power will be even lower than it is now, titles only won because your mob helped get rid of the main challenger, harder to get into the champions league or getting a good run in europe, no more sky tv deal,league falling apart, etc, etc. I've not even mentioned the fate of other septic league clubs! Rangers must not join the septic leagueif stripped of titles won.


If the restructuring were to actually take place, would it actually benefit Scottish Football as a whole I doubt it. Rangers are helping to bring something to the lower league clubs which itself can help re-build Scottish Football from the bottom up. With Rangers taking a large travelling support to away games it assists in boosting the income of the home club which they are then able to re-invest into their club, via Youth Development, Upgrading Facilities etc. In my opinion the only restructuring that would help Scottish Football would be to abolish the 3 organisations which currently run the game (SFA, SPL, SFL) and form a single organisation responsible for Scottish Football (all levels).


I reckon two seasons at the most the SPL will be begging us back, I'm hope our fans say no, unless their pursuit of our titles ends because I can see this witch-hunt going on and on.


Honesty time - If boot was on the other foot how many RFC supporters would be reacting the same way if it was CFC who had the problems?


If trophies/titles are stripped from RFC then any chance of restructuring will be sabotaged by their support. The trophy haul is a major reason why RFC is so special and if taken away, would cause deep resentment among their proud support. Even the thought of ever playing in the SPL again would be a definite non-starter.


"I reckon two seasons at the most the SPL will be begging us back, I'm hope our fans say no, unless their pursuit of our titles ends because I can see this witch-hunt going on and on."

Well said that man!!!

Unfortunately i cannot see this witch hunt ending anytime soon, not with certain people in charge...it will go on and on.

Ed, has there been any more mention of the image rights being considered as dual contracts? {Ed039's Note - Sorry I dont know much about this but have heard something, can someone fill me in on this?)


(A single organisation responsible for Scottish Football AT all levels) This would be a great idea and how about the clubs all voting and have there say on the (ruling council) each year before the season starters or at the end of the season.


Get rid of all the football hierarchy. Have one single body .Their should also be a fan based rep on the cpuncil. My company has an employee voted by the staff onto the board and this has neen inspirational. Themm again The Syupid Football Ass would rather pay out millions to get a forgein view on things.


A single organisation won't work 'cos the corrupt SFA,SPL won't give up their power, anyway they're to busy chasing after our titles.


(A single organisation won't work 'cos the corrupt SFA,SPL won't give up their power)

Maybe but what I think everyone is forgetting in all this is that they work for us the Scottish fans ALL OF US and if we stand together and boot them out there's nothing they can do about it, but as usual with us it's more about what they have and what we don't and I would see us go before giving them anything.

Together We Stand Strong, Divided We Fall

Once we get our leagues sorted then we can go back to hating each other because I understand its use and them but if there no real league then there no us or them.


Restructuring is a must for Scottish Football. All clubs must get together and introduce a better league system plus only one governing body. Rangers need to be brought onside and not alienated by stripping of their titles, whereupon fans will boycott anything spl and sfa 'til titles are restored. Another sanction, which doesn't hurt their fans, must be found. The future of Scottish Football is more important than Rangers,Spl and Sfa.


Bye Bye Zombies

Iain


The take our titles but not our history i think is said in the wrong way meaning the players won them and the history of 1872 to the present day can be wiped from paper but not in the fans memory


The football governing bodys in scotland must have known the situation of our club why let it continue till it was too late point number 1 point number two i remember a few years back a few of my celtic supporting freinds were not happy i called it paranoid silly talk and laughed it off i can now see their point i think we need one governing body for all 4 divisions in scotland and gates should be split 50/50 to help scottish football and better competition for smaller teams not just rangers and celtic


"Bye Bye Zombies

Iain"

Idiotic post if i ever saw one. You should be more interested in your teams great away win last night against Spartak......the FIRST away win celtic have ever managed in the group stages of the CL .

lol


If the structure of the leagues is right then winning the 3rd div and getting promoted this season is pointless! As there would still be 30 teams above us in the league. the new structure means that the top two leagues would have 26 teams so we still be in the bottom league. And if rangers are invited to join the championship(2nd tier) i would hope Charles Green would tell the SPL no for reasons of Sporting integrity. Work our way up the leagues without the any help from clubs doing it for self interest and survival.


 

 

 
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