Rangers Rumours Archive January 02 2013

02 Jan 2013 17:24:10
Ed how much do you think Mckay and Macleod are worth? about 1 mill each based on potential i would say, i really hope they stay and become legends for us. {The Ed039's Note - I said I would laugh at a bid of £1 million for them. They cant be replaced at the moment as well so when you consider that scenario then it becomes even more. If a bid was to be accepted for any of these player, it would have to be a more than decent transfer fee with add ons built in dependant on appearances, goals, achievements etc. But I would hate to lose either of them)

A million for players in the 3rd ... you need a reality check {The Ed039's Note - So what would you valuation of them be, £75k like someone suggested? If thats the case then you need a reality check! What folk arent understanding, is in MacLeod and McKay, you arent buying "a 3rd division footballer" ..... you are buying potential and these guys have it in abundance, hence my note about add ons if any were to go)

Be lucky if they're worth 100k million for a div 3 player is nonsence. They've only played a half season players in spl don't even go for 1m. {The Ed039's Note - So Danny Wilson didnt go for £2m plus add ons? Miller didnt sign for Man United despite never completing 90 mins for Celtic? Tony Watt (who I think is very good by the way) has not been linked with big money moves to Liverpool and Newcastle despite playing less than these boys. Come back when you have a comment that doesnt waste my time)

02 Jan 2013 19:32:56
Ed u need a wee lie down million pounds add ons get a grip might have potential but like it or not part time footballers( costhats the level there at) are on ones
radar except maybe spl teams and if u
keep an i on that league they teams don't pay transfer fees u maybe right
they might have something but u ll hav tp find out on the way through the scottish divs
chic {The Ed039's Note - Yes this is the level they are playing at, but they are showing they are miles better than that level already, at 17 years old)

What ed too much new year drink i think haha you wouldnt get 100 thousand for them. {The Ed039's Note - You honestly think so? Come on for god sake)

02 Jan 2013 20:13:49
well if you say that you wouldnt get a million
for them you must be on something they show
every week there miles better than anyone
in the 3rd when they played motherwell a
decent spl team they turned them over the
got beat of inverness but still out played
them most of the game come on mate
makay wouldnt be wanted by everton if he
wasnt any better than whats in the spl now would he

Murphy is miles better then both, plenty spl experience, Scotland caps and is still only twenty three, how much is he going for ed?

I know he's in last six months but if at any point a 1m offer came in for him he'd have been away.

These boys are playing against part time players, seven figure fees? Nah, no chance. Not even with the add on fees met, in my opinion.

Jamie mac {The Ed039's Note - Jamie Murphy has not represented Scotland at full level)

So do people really think that if rangers were offered for example 250k each for their youngsters they should accept it cos its a fair price? Get real. A player is worth what someone is willing to pay or in rangers case what they want for that player. Rangers would absolutely not sell for less than.a mill as they cannot be replaced with similar quality partly due to ban. When.a player is on a long contract and the club don't want to sell then club holds all the cards regardless of true worth. Ba is worth more than 7mill. Jordan Henderson not worth 10 mill let alone 20 mill. Carroll. Worth about 10 mill. Not 35 mill. Price tag not always true reflection of quality. It'd about contract situation and potential. {The Ed039's Note - Great post, at lost someone with some sense)

A wee fact you missed ed the three players you mentioned ... Danny Wilson liam miller and tony watt have all proved their self in major european competitions {The Ed039's Note - So that makes my point about SPL youngsters who commanded a £1m plus fee wrong?? With the number of appearances they have made in Europe, I would hardly say they had "proved" themselves)

Come on Ed, I think what most people are saying is who is gonna pay 1 million for a Scottish Third Division player, irrespective of potential. How can potential be gauged in a league and standard of payer they currently operate in. These guys have never been tested at any measurable level. {The Ed039's Note - Neither have the 15-16 year olds that clubs all over Europe battle it out for each week, but they all dig deep and pay their parent clubs massive sweetners, and buy their families houses and cars to ensure that they sign them, because they have the potential to be cracking players)

This discussion is entirely moot. The timmy agitants never off here (whose comments you continue to post for some reason, even though they're all essentially the same- "third division players aren't up to much, so aren't worth much) reckon these young boys are worth a pittance. Most Rangers' fans think the opposite. I think you'll find Rangers wouldn't accept a pittance for these promising boys. What Motherwell will take for Murphy running his contract down, is also entirely irrelevant.

If jamie murphy was on rangers books with 6 months 2 go he would be worth 600000 not 100000 its cause motherwell need anymoney possible

Ed - I think you are spot on and in Lewis MacLeod alone he destroyed Motherwell in the League Cup. Was by far the best player on the park and although we were disappointing against Inverness he still finished the game with a good performance when others struggled.....So truth is he isn't a 3rd division player.... Everyone else needs to wake up and see the bigger picture

I agree in the main with ed, both these players look as though they could become really good players.

We will only know for sure how good they are when they play against a better standard of opponent week in and week out.

Two questions I have of ed, would either of these players be featuring regualary now if we didn't have all of our well-documented problems in the summer (i.e. would they have played before some of those that left)?

And secondly if the players are now first team players I hope they are being paid in line with some of the others (i.e. black, fran, sheilds)?

Much rather have scottish boys in a jersey than overpriced journey-men. {The Ed039's Note - They wouldnt have been in the first team just now if it wasnt for everything that happened over the last year, for sure, thats ashame and is something that was wrong with Rangers abnd probably paid a part in the downfall of the company :-) They also are not on the same money as Black et al, my understanding is that they were on approx £1200 per month but are better paid now, but I wouldnt imagine by much)

Looking 1m plus for them yet only paying them 300 a week ?... ...300 is a very good wage for a player in the 3rd div I'm sure thou their agent , if he values them in this 1m bracket , will soon be kicking on Greens door looking better terms or a move on ...TTTS

May i also add that when we do return to the top league we should not forget where we have been. We should be sending our 16 year olds to these clubs to get game time at this level. Clubs like queens park would benfit our youngsters progression, they could maintain full time training with us at auchenhowie, train with queens twice a week then be involved on match day with queens. We should scrap our u17 setup and get these boys out on loan playing against men in meaningful games. They then come back to us at 18 ready for the first team. Messi didnt become as good as he is playing in youth football untill he was 20. Talent has to be given game time as early as possible in my opinion.
Scunnered bear

They are worth nothing .The are playing in the bottom tier of scotttish football .Once these lads have played against pros and can hold thjere own then they will be worth something.No teenager playing in the bottom tier will ever be classed as a prospect when he is playing against joiners , van drivers and brickies
You need to give yourself a shake for even putting that on the rumers page

It'll be a long time before you see million pound transfers at ibrox either in or out. Also you all seem to be assuming that green wont sell your "wonder kids".

Fact remains you're in div3- it's no sort of level to judge a players ability never mind value.

As for the "we soundly beat Motherwell" argument well Inverness soundly beat you too and the boy shinnie was the best on the park by a country mile so is he worth a million seen as he's young also?

Course he's not, he led your young players a merry dance and when at ibrox he never got a sniff. See where I'm going yet.....

I feel lots of gers fans, ed inclusive, really need to take a realistic view of how far you have actually fallen. There are no million pound players at ibrox and won't be for some time.

And before you start the temps a million pound player rubbish- how much did you pay for him and do you think he actually had any other offers on the table? Nah me neither.

These young uns at ibrox will do well to pull rangers level with st Johnstone and Kilmarnock- these are teams who also have and will feed from any available table where there are crumbs.

What a pity the 10m promised to ally will be gone, long gone in Chico verdes back pocket long before you get to the stage of being able to attract the quality of player available with such funds.

You are kidding yourselves on in a major fashion if you think you have the cream of Scottish talent. Even the best scottish talent is rubbish, Scott brown included btw, so that doesn't say much for the "potential" of your boys.

And don't even get me started on the burnout these over used, just above average boys will feel in their early twenties.

Charlie miller anyone?

Jamie mac

Football talent is judged playing against talented opposition, I fail to see how one can judge a young player in sfl3, certainly not in the million pound bracket.

So that makes my point about SPL youngsters who commanded a £1m plus fee wrong? ... ed your point is not about young spl players its about two 3rd division players attracting million pound offers ... firstly the three players may not have proved their self as european class but they held their own while playing in the first team squad of the biggest two clubs in the country in the top league none of those two players have proved they can handle the 2nd division yet let alone the spl the best example is tony watt a 2nd division player scores winner against barca in champions league ... cost ... 50 grand ... clubs dont pay a million on players unless they have at least showed something at a decent level or against decent opposition not because they looked good going passed two joiners and a plumber if that was the case the fat guy in the belhaven advert must be worth a fortune the way he bends the ball round those barrels

To those questioning the valuations. The point Ed039 and another poster have made repeatedly is twofold. Firstly these kids will be valued by the club they play for (i.e. Rangers). If a bid is made below their valuation it won't be accepted, simple as that. They will be worth what someone is willing to pay for them, if they are not willing to pay the required fee then they won't go anywhere. Whether a club wants to pay seven figures within the next few years or not we will have to wait and see but one thing is for sure, they will cost any potential buyers a hell of a lot more than Watt cost Celtic unless they let their contracts run down.

Clubs DO purchase potential, no matter the level they are at, which is the second point. I am sure last season Spurs (or a.n.other EPL club) paid 450k (donation to the club as they can't be 'transferred' until signed up on a binding contract I think) for a twelve year old. Was he playing at a high level or proven himself against 'quality' opposition? No. He showed serious potential and the club concerned took a punt on him and paid handsomely for it. Macleod and Mackay have huge potential (if you have seen them playing before posting that is), have handled playing in front of large crowds superbly (not every player does nor does every youth get the opportunity to), have been standouts in every game compared to the more experienced players (Mackay goes past defenders for fun every week), are always wanting the ball and have shown plenty of desire and no shortage of skill to date. If they do go it will certainly not be for 50-75k, as has laughably been mentioned in this thread, guaranteed.

Rangers might be playing in the 3rd Division against amateurs and part timers but that does not make us a 3rd Division club. When Juventus went into Serie B (initially Serie C) after the match fixing shenanigans did the valuation of their players (including the youths who hadn't even played first team football yet but had plenty of potential before anyone highlights the obvious) suddenly drop to the level, transfer wise, they were playing at? No. Man U were allegedly considering a bid in the millions for John Fleck in 2009 (lucky escape for them it could be said), if he were coming through now as a youth why would that be any different just because we are in the 3rd Division? They would still have been buying unproven talent reared by and playing for a big club.

Brian

It might as well be joiners and plumbers in the "promised land" that is the spl.

I sincerely hope that no-one else had the misfortune of enduring that feast of football that was the Edinburgh derby last night. The Hibs manager tells us it's now the biggest fixture in Scottish football- heaven help us.

The: you only play against rubbish, so you are rubbish "argument" is utter bunk. It's often espoused by arrogant English people. Was Brian Laudrup mince, was Henrick Larrson mince... These are certain individuals any person can see have ability regardless of the opposition they face.

It's funny that the: they're only playing junk "argument" seems to no apply when we whip oot the old Seville calculator to value celtic players. "Ki must be worth at least £10m..."- try half that. The English regard football up here as a joke, whether it's sfl3 or the spl, it means nothing to them.

After looking at that utter dross from the capital the night, it's a point of view with which I have some sympathy.

Jamie mac your back, was Charlie never good enough for you? What about Simon Donnelly, mark burchill or even the great McLaughlin?

John

02 Jan 2013 02:05:11
alright ed happy new year m8 just on here a think we should just leave things way it is just now dnt need to sell anyone squad no big enough to cope wae selling dew players but after september sandazza black and kyle who is the worse player to pull on a rangers jersey in my 29 years of living by far would sell them bring few younger boys in we will win div.2 next year and with a extra year for things to settle and ross perry what has happened to this lad he looks shocking ......and sorry i was having debate with friend who said spl clubs want mcleod mckay which i RATE very highly saying spl clubs are looking at them tere only 1 spl team could afford them and peronally dnt think these 2 boys would make septic squad tbh just want to know what u think ed???????? {The Ed039's Note - I said before that no other team in Scotland outside Celtic can afford to buy these 2 boys. I would be disappointed if we sold any players in this window, but maybe guys like Lee Wallce, who might be thinking about his Scotland career now, could attract some attention, but I hope that nobody goes)

Black played well the day!

Cannot believe you thought ian black played well. for me he was lucky to be on the pitch another disgraceful tackle on the annan player already 6 booking this season he is becoming a liability. we have to go with mcleod and hutton when mcleod is fit. i would get shot of ian black he is not a football player he is another terry hurlock. he complains about being tackled roughly when he is just as bad. i would like to know ed's thought's.



also we have a bit of a problem at right back i would like to see that position filled next season agyriou has played there but he couldnt even cross the road never mind cross a ball.



jamesyboy {The Ed039's Note - There was another post I had left my thoughts on before, I thought it was a terrible challenge and he was lucky to stay on the park. Had he been sent off there could have been no complaints, and I think he has the cheek to call other SFL 3 players "hatchet men". He has the sort of personality that just makes folk dislike him, and he hasnt grown on me one bit since he signed for Rangers, doesnt make him a bad footballer, just a bit of a d***)

Okay thanks for your thought's ed.


meant to ask you for thought's on these quotes by charles green that ally has 10 million pound to spend on players and it is making me wonder didnt we hear this from craig whyte. i am taking this with a pinch of salt i don't believe that we will spend any serious money on players until we are at least in the first division i would much rather we bring young players into the team because i think we would still be good enough to get back to the spl with the young guys. one youngster who i have been impressed with is young lewis mcleod and i am gutted rhys mccabe is gone because that would have been a good partnership i feel.


also sandaza we need to get shot of he has contributed nothing this season i know he has been injured but he has looked uninterested and we could just play big jig up front with templeton and mckay playing off him.



i would go 4-2-3-1 alexander in goal with perry right back ( until we get a right back may i add) cribari hegarty wallace. hutton mcleod sitting then shiels templeton mckay and mcculloch up top. {The Ed039's Note - I dont think any money needs to be spent through SFL 2 and SFL 3 if thats how it pans out through league reconstruction. To be honest I dont know why we dont go with 3 at the back with Wallace on the left of midfield but I dont pick the team. I think you might need to lay off Sandaza, the guy didnt have a pre season, then he has been stop start and had a horrible injury, the jury is out but I dont think the guy has had a chance to build up any sort of momentum or confidence, strikers need goals, and as soon as he gets one, that confidence should start coming back and he should crack on from there)

02 Jan 2013 17:27:06
okay ed thanks for your opinion as i said we all have opinions but at the end of the day ally picks the team and if we win then he is doing something right after all we are not fully qualified like ally is.



can i just thank any celtic supporters who spared a thought today about the victim's of the ibrox disaster it is occasions like that when football fan's should come together and remember that people lost their lives going to watch the team they love. we bicker and rant at each other on site's like this but at the end of the day it is only a game of football anyone who laugh's at what happened that day should hang their head in shame there is no place in society for people like that. anyway ed can i wish you and everyone else who comes on the site a very happy new year and best wishes for 2013.


jamesyboy

Granted his tackle was shocking but after that he was ok at least he was trying

Heard mckie and mcleod went 2 st ninnans rc school and dont have any intension of signing long term deals with the bears worried bear {The Ed039's Note - This just shows how stupid some people are, and how much some people want to stir things, McKay, MacLeod and Crawford all signed contracts until the summer of 2017 earlier this season so away and crawl back under the rock from which you came)

Good response ed, as I've said in previous texts if people have nothing of any sense to contribute do us all a favour and stay off the rangers site
Greg 202 Portavogie

Well mckay is from barrhead and went to st lukes, he and his dad are rangers fans, and his brothers are celtic fans, including his older brother formerly of kilmarnock, currently at arthurlie.

02 Jan 2013 01:40:18
Goian Feels too old for football and may quit at the age 32! BBC

So he should he is crap.......

02 Jan 2013 10:01:36
Well I know I aged about 10 years watching him for 1 year! Another Ally signing that wasted our cash!!

He'll be 35 at the earlyst by the time use get to the sphell as use put it. mabey he just thought f@%k that fir a game of solgees :-)

Wasn't he branded a star and ace by the media ? Another dud hyped up by our no nothing media types.

Good news for football then!! John F