Rangers Rumours Archive July 04 2012

 

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04 Jul 2012 14:25:53
Ian Black signing today, no matter what div we are playing in.
Source is a former team mate.
Watch...and see.

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Just saw it on sky sports news there m8 good shout .

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Hes signing as long as the newco play in a league no lower than 2nd division according to sky sports ......... thats ambition for you :)

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Division 3 is about his level anyways.

TerribleBeauty

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Wow, class players like that and you will sail back in with the big boys in no time. {Ed039's Note - Whether it is division one or three, ian black would sail through games)

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Most of blacks tackles are shocking ...one of the worst players for over the top challenges i have seen in the last 10 years ...he will fit ryt in with 3rd div players

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Blackie not signing now was just talking to him in tranent he was at his dads

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Sporting integratie my but, all the other teams want a bigger slice o pie! how can they not just say its about more cash ?in years gone by the money came through the turnstyles ,the chairman or owner would say officially 10000 at game when acuall fact 25to 30000 where their,then they thought y dont we have season tickets [money up front] 1 thing they forgot was if u have say 30000 season ticket holders u canny say only 10000 at game, so what am try 2 say its always an will be about cash an not sporting integraty

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Old co rangers robbed 140 million quid and cheated for years. New co rangers buys up the dead companies assets and wants to pretend they are RFC now with none of the baggage. Do you really expect people just to let you start again like nothing happened ? If you are rangers RFC then Pay your debts back. If you are New co FC, get to the back of the queue.

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Most of us fans want division 3, take the medicine and start again but your own clubs will soon follow us as you will be in administration within the year.

Wullie-RFC

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Can I just remind you sir EBTs are Legal nobody was robbed. An EBT account is set up by an employee. That person then takes a loan from there own account which was allegedly done. YOU THEN GIVE YOUSELF A LOAN AND PAY IT BACK. Highly unethical without doubt.The scheme is still being used in the EPL just google it sir. The reason The Rangers are now in limbo is a Ł15 million pound tax bill that Craig Whyte never paid and nothing to do with an alleged Ł140 million you say. What I will ask sir is can you produce the evidence of so called bill .

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{Ed039's Note - Whether it is division one or three, ian black would sail through games)

i take it that's when he's not been banned for accumulating too many reds/yellows?

surprised you're a fan of that thug


taco

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Same old Mr clueless Green he has sent letters to top 2 English divisions telling them NEWCO were in the right and old players couldnt leave as it illegal. Counter letters sent out by union denying fact and English clubs appear to agree. Guess NEWCO away to waste lots money(season tickets prob) in court where they will get their butts sued by Players and their union never mind agents.. Ally will be sueing to for his lad??yes/No

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Stuff the lot of them - stuff the hypocrites who support and run the other SPL teams but wouldn't know sporting integrity if it bit them on the bum, stuff the Tims who think the would has turned green - wait til the 10:2 vote becomes 11:1, until the Sky money goes, until the sponsorship goes and they become a minor also-ran in European competition. Stuff our own players who made a damned good living out of the Gers and are now deserting the sinking ship in droves - Whittaker was never worth the money in the first place, Fleck has been on/off for the last five years, and Ness and Naismith have been supported through long term injury.... and this is how they thank the fans. By the way, Big Jig is an honourable exception - he said he would play for nothing, he said he would stay put and he made no daft pronouncements when others couldn't wait to do so. Stuff Murray and Whyte for what they have jointly done to our proud club - however I wouldn't be too sore on Green ; at least he put up some money and fronted up to answer the questions. So stuff the lot of them and go for the Third Div with our heads held high and the wages bill slashed. Let Green sell to a Scottish backed consortium with a respectable profit ( we'll see what Walter, McColl, King, Kennedy et al are really made of now ), and start from the bottom and work our way back up. The club started from nothing and it can do it again - WATP no matter what happens, and at least we'll now see who the real fans were and who the glory hunters were.

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Where is the SFA providing support for football fans from corporate leaches.
Not a chance they've ensured that clubs collect money from fans and TV and take a commision as it passes to players .
Get a life and manage the game for fans and forget about all the spin that covers corporate priorities

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Ł140 million,weres your proof.This figure is gettin higher every day,mainly from tools like yourself who obviously dont have a clue.Still nothing has been proved and no verdict given against us.

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Explain how rangers robbed 140 m ilion quid ?

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Would take black in a min, need people who are up for it in div 1-3 cause they aint easy leagues

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140 Million? The figure is getting larger every day...you sound like an east end accountant/banker. Theres a job going at Barclays i've heard, and from your experience, it's a shoe in for you.

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The guy canny count ,too much for his wee brain ,he thinks 1 and 4 is 140 million doug t.s.o

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IAN BLACK has agreed to sign for crisis-ravaged Rangers – but not if they are plunged into the Third Division.

The midfielder, who left Hearts on a free after lifting the Scottish Cup in May, has shaken hands on a contract with the Ibrox club.

Record Sport revealed exclusively days after the Jambos’ Hampden triumph that Black had shot to the top of Ally McCoist’s summer wishlist.

And despite the turmoil which still threatens to obliterate the Charles Green newco, an agreement has been reached in principle for Black to move to Glasgow before the start of the new season.

However, Black’s deal is dependent on the SFA relaxing the terms of the legally contested transfer embargo which was imposed on the club as a punishment for the mismanagement of former owner Craig Whyte. It will also be ripped up if Green loses the battle to avoid the Third Division.

Black is prepared to play for Rangers in the First Division so yesterday’s SPL decision to banish the club from the top flight has not scuppered McCoist’s plan. But now he must wait to discover the full extent of further sanctions before the deal can be rubber-stamped.

McCoist remains hopeful the 12-month transfer ban will at least be partially overturned to allow him to snap up free agents and make loan signings.

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Ł134m per D&P creditors list (includes BTC estimate)

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Lets start in div 3 work our way back to top and watch spl clubs go bust ha ha then will be our turn to vote

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04 Jul 2012 14:22:13
SPL clubs vote “overwhelmingly“ not to allow the newco Rangers into Scotland's top tier.

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Wow! You are quick! I hear the Titanic crashed into an iceberg & sank as well. {Ed039's Note - Wow, super funny)

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It'll be SPL1 and SPL2 next season with Rangers in SPL 1. It'S THE ONLY ANSWER.

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Careful...i had family on that boat.

TerribleBeauty

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No, I think the only answer should be Sevco FC applying to get into Div 3.

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It seems people are expecting Rangers fans to be in tears over this.....quite the contrary, this is what we want. Around 75% of Rangers fans want us to go to the third division and work our way back up.

'Sporting Integrity' means jack-$h!t if you dont have a team to compete in the sport, all the teams would do well to remember this!!!!

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At least when the titanic sank the survivors didnt jump ship on to the rescue ship and try to pretend it was still the titanic

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No, the only answer is integrity we need to go to div 3 and work our way back up with pride

Frustrated bear

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No way we should go into SFL1 or SPF2, 3rd Division nothing else, they wanted integrity; now they have to face up to the reality of it. Good luck to you, will see SOME of you soon.

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Isn't it curious that the statement read 'overwhelming' but didn't advise how many voted Yes or No? Wonder why that is...........................

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Very witty. I am a supporter of Scottish football as well as Rangers (or whatever we are eventually called formally) and I genuinely take absolutely no pleasure whatsoever in saying that that will be the same iceberg half the SPL will most likely crash into once the SFL do the right thing and send us to the 3rd Div next week if the SPL's attempt at Russian Roulette fails and their blackmail plan doesn't work.

All their eggs are now in one basket and they will have to give the SFL a lot more than they have offered already (the SFL now hold ALL the aces now the SPL have fully shown their hand) to get them to play along with their charade, or they will be completely screwed financially and they know it.

Kilmarnock are certainties to be joining us in the very near future and maybe slightly later in the year we will also be joined by Motherwell, Dundee United and Hearts if attendances don't rise drastically and sponsorship deals somehow remain as they are.

At least four SPL sides within a year who would have to be treated exactly the same way and be replaced by teams from the First Division. Incidentally, how many First Division teams can you name off the top of your head that have the stadia, undersoil heating and available finances capable of paying SPL wages or would even be willing to take on such huge debt to gain entry in the first place? Falkirk, Dundee/Dunfermline (whichever one doesn't move up), and maybe Raith Rovers? After that you are clutching at non existent straws unless the SPL entry rules are relaxed. Where is the much vaunted 'sporting integrity' in that though if the existing SPL clubs have had to meet them and are financially the worse off for it and other clubs have been refused entry in the past because of them?

In addition, are there enough teams in the 2nd and 3rd Divisions ready or equally financially capable of moving up a division to fill the gap when they will have to find extra revenue from somewhere themselves to pay the increased overheads associated with promotion?

Worst case, what happens if some of the SPL clubs have no option other than to fold part way through the season and are unable to complete their fixture list? The proverbial can of worms is now half open and Scottish football will not benefit in the slightest from it being so. It COULD (I am not saying it is absolutely guaranteed) be a footballing train wreck of epic proportions.

Whether it is Division 1 or Division 3 for us, MAJOR league reconstruction is now inevitable before next season (2013/14) to keep the banks from shutting them down. The SPL will have no choice in the matter.

Scottish football was perched unsteadily on the precipice yesterday. By the time the SFL vote decides Rangers fate it will either be hanging on by its fingertips or in complete financial freefall.

To use your own analogy: the SPL will be a rapidly sinking ship if a compromise isn't reached with the SFL and more than a few clubs will find themselves overboard before too long.

Brian

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Plz let this be the end of scottish football, rangers should even go for the sfl , this is our best chance to go down south 3 years till we get into the spl noway i would rather have 3 year of us getting near the epl , please post this ed as you havent been posting my stuff {Ed039's Note - Because its nonesense, you have just opened yourself to ridicule, which I will post because you deserve it. You are the reason Scottish football hates Rangers fans)

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Even if 4 SPL clubs do go into admin, as long as they come out quickly (as before) then they just get points penalty... so what

That will still mean others can win 2nd/3rd beyond what they ever expected - so more fans happy and more money for other clubs. Celtic can concentrate on Champs League and SPL - and ignore other cups.

rangers went into administration and did not come out - expect thru liquidation.

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Did rangers get prize money for 2nd place last season - or does that go to others now?

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Just wondering--If Clydesdale Bank continue to sponsor might they be interested in short term finance to get clubs over readjustment times if all the SFL clubs stood as guarantors? {Ed039's Note - Yeah right)

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I don't think there is any chance of getting that prize money back even if anyone wanted to.

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The prize money should never have been paid while there was outstanding football debts.

It never ceases to amaze me how companies that have gone bust stop paying their bills while continuing to try and squeeze every last penny out of the people who owe them money.

This is just me having a rant and is nothing to do with Rangers. I just feel that there is no justice for creditors in these situations. They are expected to settle for pennies and if they don't they get the blame for another company going to the wall.

No-one seems to blame the selfish pigs who don't pay their bills in the first place. - Randolph {Ed039's Note - So do Rangers differ from regular companies that are in administration/liquidation, normal trading companies still collect monies due and distribute them amongst their creditors dont they. And I think you will have read many times people blaming the "selfish pigs" who caused the mess)

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What if admission to SFL is rejected ?

newco has stadium, some players, a manager, and little money...

other teams have better than this-and will have legal claims if they dont get a chance cos gers have thier slot.

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According to Doncaster its Division one. Or nothing. He's a knob-head though.

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Talk on other website (Ed Ev News) of a fighting fund for Spartans to sue. They have a stated nondiscrimination policy that appeals to a lot of people.

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If sevco fans think the 3rd means the end of the spl then what exactly is it you think youll work your way back up to ??

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@ "even if 4 SPL clubs do go into admin... ... so what?"

Out of interest were you one of the ones that said 'so what' when Rangers went into admin and 'only' received a ten point penalty or were you disgusted that financial mismanagement resulted in such a lenient and essentially pointless (pardon the pun) punishment and began frothing at the mouth? yeah, thought so. Motherwell have been there before and they will get a seriously heavy points penalty if they fall into admin again - they would be realistically facing relegation the season after reaching the Champions league places (good luck to them by the way). They might be saved anyway (like Aberdeen were) by the complete demise of another club, in this case Kilmarnock, who are in major debt for a club their size. They would most likely face liquidation themselves and would probably struggle to fulfil their fixtures for the season. If that happens then you will really be in a mess of gargantuan proportions. Dundee United and Hearts will be less competitive next season anyway given their current financial limitations and a ten point penalty would have an impact as it would cost them additional points for final league placement which could tip them over the edge. I bet their fans will be saying 'so what' if it does come to pass. That leaves ICT, St Mirren, and St Johnstone as the likely 'challengers' to Celtic for the league. No offence to them but that will really encourage SKY etc to stay supportive of the league long term if traditionally mid table clubs are the best of the rest, won't it?

Please explain the 'more fans happy' and in particular the 'more money for other clubs' line. I can't wait to hear your reasoning as to how Rangers going out of the SPL will improve the SPL clubs overall turnover. Are there ten more Dermott Desmond's that we don't know about lining up to bankroll these clubs as moving up a few places in the league by default won't even compensate for their projected losses?

Finally, how gracious of you to state Celtic won't bother challenging for the domestic cups (that will really keep the interest of the cup's sponsors won't it - Celtic reaching the final every season will be the ONLY reason to keep ploughing money in once Rangers are gone) in order to make the so-called 'diddy' teams feel more worthy and feel good about themselves. "Aw, here, have a wee shot of a cup, we don't need it". And Rangers fans get accused of arrogance!

Celtic will win the league next year by the largest margin in football history and within the quickest timeframe to boot. Enjoy it whilst it retains your interest, after a few years your fans won't bother attending beyond November as you will have already won the league by then.

@ "What if admission is rejected?..."

Honestly? Part-time clubs playing in our TOP league and a lot more than four SPL clubs going to the wall within a few years and eventually a league as competitive and on a par (bar Celtic) with the Faroes. Little or no sponsorship, Celtic sailing along relatively undisturbed and operating their own TV deal in a one-team league with no hope of that ever changing. That is how I honesty see it going if Rangers do not gain entry into ANY league.

Do other teams potentially bring the ability to fill out their opponents stadiums week in week out? Will other teams more or less guarantee a TV deal materialising for the lower leagues given the media interest there would be, particularly in the first season? Do other teams bring the ability to have more than a few hundred fans at their home games if it is the 3rd Division? At least be realistic guys, it would be an economic catastrophe for the clubs and Scottish football in general if 'The Rangers' were to disappear altogether. Surely you aren't so blinkered that you can't see it.

Brian

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The money is still with spl . with held pending.

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The SFA now require to review all clubs with a view to determine if they are being run by fit and proper persons. Several chairmen have today voted on basis of so called sporting integrity, knowing that there clubs may go into administration in the near future. They do not appear and not proper in my eyes. Neither do Mr Reagan @ Mr Doncaster appear to be fit and proper persons to allow Scottish football to go into freefall.

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I didn't say the 3rd meant the end of the SPL. Rangers in no league at all would be though as the above would apply and just to be clear I have posted continuously since this began in February that the 3rd Division SHOULD be where we start from next year. If we do go to the 3rd then league reconstruction will occur next year, in my opinion, and we will be back in the SPL the following year (if we can secure consecutive promotions which isn't guaranteed as I have mentioned before) just in time for the renewal of Scottish football's major sponsorship and television contracts. Call me a cynic but the SPL will not survive if that isn't how it pans out and the chairmen will be pushing for it as this document signifies.

Lastly, would it actually be such a bad thing if the SPL was no more (the league, obviously not the clubs)? Do we need an SPL board and an SFL board and the lack of cohesion and leadership that it brings? The creation of the SPL simply has not improved the product as it claimed it would when introduced and we should return to a single governing body (SFL) working under the auspices of a streamlined SFA. We may all know the rules, sing from the same hymn sheet, and find a collective way of progressing the game we all profess to love. Could ironically be the best thing to happen in decades if done right but it WOULD need Rangers within the leagues to make it work financially in my opinion.

Brian

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I think you miss my point.

As I said I was not talking about Rangers but about companies who play the system to their advantage running up huge debts they have no intention of paying then trying to say the their creditors are forcing them into administration. Painting a picture of jobs lost by their innocent employees while having no concern for the equally innocent employees of the companies they are helping to bankrupt

Craig Whyte is not the first and he will not be the last (FAIRPAK comes to mind) these people should be sent to prison for their crimes instead of salting away their cash to continue to live the high life while their creditors struggle to survive.-Randolph

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@"Talk on...They have a stated nondiscrimination policy that appeals to a lot of people."

Seriously? You think that is still a valid argument to make. Maybe in the eighties that would have been an issue but, after Souness arrived, the last I checked Rangers no longer, and haven't for a long time, promoted, let alone officially STATED that they had anything other than a nondiscrimination policy themselves.

That is an entirely nonsensical argument to make in this day and age: from Mo Johnston, Lorenzo Amoruso, Neil McCann, etc to the non-Protestant members of the current team. As far as BOTH clubs go the religious aspect which fuels the hatred and gets them into trouble with the authorities belongs entirely to the bigoted, senseless fans who spout their outdated rubbish. What a stupid argument to make for acceptance into the league if that is indeed true. Rangers and Celtic being kept apart next season should have one good aspect to it in terms of reducing the bigotry (we won't be playing each other) on show publicly and hopefully reduce it in both grounds at the same time.

Brian

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Brian....

"more fans happy"... its all about fans. Imagine how the non old firm - get these when its up to 100 years since that club won anything! Now without GERS in SPL - more chance for other teams to win more games, have more happy fans, and increase income.

"more money for other clubs".... explained by above... no? 50,000 gers fans may still watch SPL games - on sky or in person... even 10% of these appearing at games in spl will have HUGE effect - that 5000 more people at other game.


The doomsday only comes if the 50,000 gers fans who attend games, and the other gers fans who watch on tv - now go and watch some other sport! As that Ł18+ million a year goes out of the game completely

this so unlikely. some of that money will come back into the game - remember GERS for all of this - and fed peanuts to other teams for thier best players....

Now the other teams will get a bigger slice of a smaller pot - but the overall will be bigger money for them - except celtic

celtic need good run in Europe each year to bring in the millions they loose... but thats also possible

its not doomsday yet {Ed039's - it might be doomsday if sky withhold immediate payments and clubs can't pay players next month)

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{Ed039's - it might be doomsday if sky withhold immediate payments .....

Even this scenario has not been announced, so its probably not the case... doubt there is a contract needing rangers/celtic in SPL - if is its breached already - and they can always add old firm games as friendlies or glagow-cup games

So even still there could be more money in game, rather than less - just without rangers.

if rangers win way up div3/2/1 and there is no spl then not only do they go bust - the whole spl goes bust too - and no where to play.

rangers showed not enough money in game at present, and cheating tax man or anyone else and having rangers/celtic win 95+ championships a century does not being in bums on seats.

NFL shows that no team dominates - and sport is better for it.

Rangers/Celtic dominating has been very bad for sport - as we see both near collapse - one died. No way to go forward.

Lets go back to a sport first, business second and try that - you never know it might just work.

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@'"more fans happy"... its all about fans. Imagine how the non old firm - get these when its up to 100 years since that club won anything! Now without GERS in SPL - more chance for other teams to win more games, have more happy fans, and increase income.'

It IS all about fans. The way I see it if Rangers go out of the leagues altogether then a small number of fans will probably support some lower league or junior teams but very, very few, if any, would follow another SPL team let alone purposefully help finance that league. The ill feeling (despite the club admittedly causing their own downfall and no-one else) toward the other SPL clubs will be too strong (unfair on SPL clubs in my opinion but true nonetheless) for them to pick up significant numbers from the Rangers following. If it is the 3rd Div then we will keep the majority of our fanbase, particularly in the first season which would in all likelihood see a GIRFUY siege mentality kick in towards the SPL by these fans,that attends games and the remainder may return to watching the EPL or other league, certainly not supporting the SPL.

@"more money for other clubs".... explained by above... no? 50,000 gers fans may still watch SPL games - on sky or in person... even 10% of these appearing at games in spl will have HUGE effect - that 5000 more people at other game.

500 might be more realistic and that would go to the lower leagues anyway and not the SPL as I said. You never know but I doubt it and if the SPL is somehow depending on ex-Rangers fans to pick up the financial slack then I think they will be in for a long wait. I just can't see it. No Rangers fan that I know would tune into the SPL games on SKY. The viewing figures are shocking if it is not Rangers/Celtic matches being broadcast. Do Celtic fans watch Rangers games or vice versa, never mind ICT vs Kilmarnock? No, they clearly don't. EPL probably yes so subscriptions may remain roughly as they are now but SPL viewing figures would die every second week when it wasn't Celtic playing away from home and the new deal, if there is one, will reflect that financially. The clubs may have a chance at winning four more games a season without Rangers there otherwise it would be the same as any other season so that point is a bit shaky too. They may help counter the ten point penalty for going into admin that some clubs WILL (they have said it themselves!!) face but that would be it - hardly encouragement for fair weather fans to flock back to provincial clubs and spend enough money to keep things going in my book.

Don't get me wrong, I hope your scenario is the one that unfolds as I am also a Scottish football fan and these clubs aren't responsible for this mess but I can only see a doomsday scenario unfold as fans are fickle and cannot be relied upon to step up week in week out if they are watching dross and one team sailing away with the league. The figures just don't add up I am afraid. The fans of any club that are threatened with admin or can't buy any players etc because of financial constraints certainly won't be 'happy' unless they are masochists. As I say I hope you are right, I just can't see a way that this will work out positively for these clubs or their fans.

The Rangers, in the state we are in, would do well to avoid any form of Old Firm games until they return to the SPL (unless drawn in the legitimate cups) as we would get demolished on each occasion. I doubt our fanbase would support such a thing TBH. If the SPL goes bust then we will back to only having the SFL as a governing body and as I said in an above post that might be the only good thing to come out of all this if it does following the doomsday scenario.

Finally, you are bang on about the old firm's domination being seriously bad for the game and this, however painful for some current SPL teams, may end up best for the game but going from two teams dominating to a single team dominating isn't progression in my book - it would be a backwards step.

If you want sport first then any form of amateur sport will provide that for you - professional sport (most of them anyway) is ALL about business and how much money can be generated from it all over the world. The NFL is a franchise business which sees players earn mega millions per year, the draft system is great for levelling the field out but that is probably more to do with competition promotes wealth more than any 'sporting' angle. Unfortunately I just can't be optimistic at all re the next few years for Scottish football, however much I would like to be.

Brian

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Brian did you see this doomsday scenario when yous were romping to league titles or is it cause the s**t has hit the fan and rangers are no more that you bring the scare tactics. Remember newco will miss out on tv money too plus reduced gates as clubs be it 1st or 3rd div dont have much of a fan base, ground or following. Nevermind greens 20 backers have disappeared newco could be newer co before the league even kicks off.

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@ "Brian did you see..."

Look, it maybe doesn't sound like it at times but I AM a Scottish football fan as well as a Rangers supporter and I honestly don't want to see this happen. Other, entirely innocent, clubs shouldn't have to suffer financially for problems caused by our old board but I always give my honest opinion and I cannot see how it will work out for the benefit of Scottish football.

I have been saying for years that the SPL (in fact the whole of European football) is unsustainable as it currently stands (Man Utd, the RICHEST club in the world are over half a billion, HALF A BILLION, in debt, Barca and Real Madrid when combined owe their government even more than that in tax free loans, and the list goes on throughout Europe - Football as we know it, not just the Scottish game, is teetering on the edge of a financial armageddon) and the bubble will burst spectacularly at some point just as it did with the banking sector.

The major difference, thankfully, is that the taxpayer won't be responsible for funding the bailout and we will all have to start again from scratch unless the billionaires spend their own money for a change. It might be the best thing to ever happen to football in the long run but I doubt I would see any of the benefits in my lifetime. The game in Scotland/Europe would be on its knees for decades to come.

The current Rangers/SPL issue has simply highlighted to everyone how fragile the sinews holding everything together are and the utterly unhealthy dependence Scottish football has on the Old Firm.

I opposed the inception of the SPL at the time (so yes I did see this doomsday scenario coming - I just hoped that I was wrong about it) and argued that two governing league bodies would never work effectively and that the top clubs should not have as much power or influence that running their own league would give them. Look what it has led to! Rangers and Celtic dominating everything (unhealthy), attendances dropping dramatically (unhealthy), SKY having a stranglehold on the game (seriously unhealthy), our co-efficient plummeting (unhealthy), our top teams regularly embarrassed in Europe by part-timers and players on half the wages our 'stars' are on (unhealthy AND embarrassing, and remember Celtic were also out of Europe just as quickly as Rangers, Dundee United and Hearts were last year and, despite doing relatively well against some really good teams when they were re-instated, only got in the back door on a technicality), the national side moving gradually down the 'pots' and standing less and less chance of reaching a major tournament as a consequence (guess what - seriously unhealthy). I could go on and on but I think you get the point I am trying to make.

The long term greed of BOTH halves of the Old Firm (Rangers aren't the only ones to blame for why the game is the way it is now if you look at it objectively) have caused us to be where we are today and Rangers financial mismanagement has simply compounded the problem. Am I happy or proud of it? Of course not, but I am realistic enough to look at what we have now and if it unsustainable financially with Rangers in the league it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out it will evaporate without them in it. Believe it or not I am actually quite an optimistic person but I simply cannot be when I look at the future of Scottish football, there is nothing to cause me to be. I sincerely hope I am wrong and our game flourishes but I just can't see it.

Brian

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04 Jul 2012 13:01:19
Ian Black to sign for Rangers
depending on league status &
transfer embargo lifted. STV

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04 Jul 2012 12:44:48
STV are reporting Rangers have came to an agreement over the signing of Ian Black dependant on which league they are in.

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04 Jul 2012 12:26:02
Ian Black has reached an agreement to sign for Rangers newco IF there's a positive outcome on league status.

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I am Celtic fan and a proud one at that, but I am reading through this, and I honestly cannot believe the arguing and bitching going on. Some of your fans are clueless and as usual want other clubs to suffer due to Rangers wrong doing, that is no way to be. Concentrate on saving your own team, stop wishing all the rubbish on others, thats what gives you guys a bad name at times.

PS Ian Black would be a terrible signing, minimal ability, horrible wee man!

Not aimed at the REAL football fans among your suppport.
(please post ed)

Jamesy Bhoy

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04 Jul 2012 11:17:13
Coventry City have just announced they have signed Fleck. Have came to a settlement with Rangers now that's sporting integrity.Well done City. {Ed039's Note - Rangers receive no fee up front)

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Finally confirmed rangers not to be back in the spl. so looks like the first division for us at best no surprise at this as it was widely expected. only one club voted for newco into the spl would be surprised if it was not celtic.

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If it was celtic that would have been 2?? it was us

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It would have been Rangers themself that voted themslf in, they did have a vote

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U joking rangers didn't get a vote mate it was the other 11 clubs

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Rangers did vote. Kilmarnocck refused to vote

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Rangers did get a vote! They were still a member club so Charles Green was given a proxy vote for the new co! Honestly do folk actually do the research or just make up stuff in their own wee worlds? Actually don't answer that...I already know the answer! {Ed039's Note - Rangers had a vote, it was made on behalf of the clubs administrators)

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04 Jul 2012 10:33:54
rangers & coventry agree a deal for fleck .coventry no they must pay something for him .greens going for the rest of the walk aways ..rm {Ed039's Note - They signed him on a free with a promise of percentage of profit if a transfer fee I over a set amount)

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At least we might get something back.but i think fleck will disapper

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Very disappointed in fleck wasn't it rangers who bought his mum and dad a flat to get him out of possil another one who was looked after by rangers just walking away

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I think the liquidators might sniff around that money he didnt transfer over to sevco so any cash will be claimed by oldco

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Yes Rangers bought his family a house and cleared there debts. it was Yoker he moved from, hes born and bred thee. Moved to Knightswood

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Oldco rangers couldn't vote as they no longer have an spl license {Ed039's Note - The administrators of oldco Rangers actually did have a vote)

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Any money from fleck goes into oldco pot for creditors. he didnt transfer to newco

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04 Jul 2012 09:17:20
Everton's sign Naismith on 4year deal (ssn)

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I think out of all the players that left naismith was the biggest letdown good player,we paid his wages for 2 years when he was injured he could have gave the fans a full year back at least {Ed039's Note - He would only have been retained to be sold, one way or another he would not have been at rangers this season)

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Good! Thats another mercenary shown their true colours.......and they aint the Red, White and Blue of Rangers!!

The upside of these guys leaving is the MASSIVE wage bill we wont be paying them for mediocre at best performances!

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Hope he never comes back ,even to watch the rangers he's not welcome

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Money money money, the only way that move will be worth it is if he does good at everton ND GETS A BIG MOVE TO TOP 4 CLUB CANT SEE IT AND HE WILL WASTE AWAY IN THAT TEAM , NO MORE EU FITBA FOR YOU AND NO MORE MEDALS.

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Still think these players could have hung around to ensure the club got something for them.

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This will be the same Everton who have qualified for Europe 4 times out of last 8 seasons? let me guess if it was you who was in his shoes (or any other "newco player") you would have stayed. You woudl forget about doing the best for your family, for your career (as we know footballers expire well before 40), for your pocket. Get over the sour grapes. I never liked the moaning little sod anyway but he done the best for him. Who wouldn't............

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Stephen Naismith mediocre?

He was by far and away our best player in the first half of last season! Good luck to him, he didn't know what league - if any - his club would be playing in next year and chose to join a team that consistently does well in the EPL, to be honest if Lee McCulloch or Lee Wallace had that chance do you really think they'd have said no? Hate all this slagging off of guys who represented us on the field, it's not their fault that they were put in this situation. BB

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Very sour grapes methinks?
How is it that when he was the first(or abouts) to agree a wage cut , he was being praised as a hero but now he is a Judas??

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As a Rangers supporter I wish some people would get a grip!! These players did their bit when the club went into Administration only for GREEN to get his mits on the club. No season ticket renewal from me, regardless of what league (preferably Division 3), until GREEN goes away.

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Listen mate, there is no bigger club than Everton, we may not have big money but we have everything else. {Ed039's Note - Can you eloborate more on the "everything else")

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You shuld have put the whole tema up for sale and the ground and Murray Park and people who really needed their money from Rangers whould have at least got something. All thats happening now is oyu will be lining Green and his group money on a weekly basis. If you do manage to get more signe ddont expect him not to sell thme on in fuutre months stating they need the finance . Then you will be bleating about how dishonest thye are.

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End of the day these players sold the jerseys for cash when most real fans would play for free it should have been an honour for them to play with the gers {Ed039's Note - Most real fans might actually get a game next season by the looks of things)

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Can't believe you guys are still going on about Naismith's lack of loyalty. If he was a loyal player you wouldn't have been able to sign him in the first place. And he's only wanted by newco so he can be sold. What kind of loyalty is that from Rangers?

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Seems you have to be a rangers fan to play for rangers. Cant think of another club that has this policy. Maybe your all gullible believing there rangers men. Saying that you did support Murray, Whyte and Green or is Bomber Brown the man to FOLLOW

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04 Jul 2012 00:03:54
Rangers interested in Rexhepi and Hamad of Malmo. Also Peter Lovenkrands is a free agent.

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Lovenkrands? hold on while i jump on my roflcopter, more chance of gattuso...

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Lovenkrands!! It's taken us four years to get rid of Lafferty :)

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In SFL Div 1 Lovenkrands would be a decent signing on a 12 month deal.

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Lovenkrands always was and still is pish - pleased to say one positive thing about this whole newco business is that we won't be signing badge-kissing numpties like him any more.

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Just when you think things cnt get any lower,Ian black says he will sign for newco he's a scumbag that will drag the club down remember jelavic's injury we dnt need another dirty player we've still go big lee!

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