11 Sep 2015 16:16:40
so, i'm sitting at lunchtime tucking into my bacon sandwich and reading the rangers banter page, my god i nearly chocked. here's why, someone posted stating that if mccoist and his mum are allowed into the directors box then this 'fan' won't ever step another foot in ibrox again. heimlich manoeuvre applied and here i am writing my response 😩

1. good, stay away, its knuckle draggers like this that keep the club from moving forward.

2. mccoist is a legend and always will be. yes he made a mess of it but lets say king was in charge when mccoist was about, things might or might not have been different, the man worked in unbelievable conditions and to be fair walter smith, alex ferguson etc probably would not have got us out of the mess either. having a foundation allows you to build. we had a hole full of boardroom clowns.

3. it was his money, he is entitled to it! if i worked for rangers, and god knows i love them, i wouldn't walk away without my money either. its not as though mccoist deliberately made an mess of it. he signed what he could, there was no scouting dept, no philosophy, nothing.

mccoist tried to build a club whilst ex players walked away and thieves in suits tried to strip the club at every moment. yes he could have played youth, could have bought better players, could not have made contradictory statements re the clowns in the boardroom, but my god the man was trying his best to keep the club and the fans together when everyone else was trying to tear us apart. so i ask the question to every man in the forum. if you had to work in the conditions which mccoist did whether you're a bus driver, factory worker or whatever, would you walk away without your money?

just because its rangers or your a fan is neither here nor there. its a work place, what was mccoist expected to achieve when he had no support. lets say w&w were in charge when all the clowns were still in the boardroom, would we be seeing the football we are seeing just now? i very much doubt it.

1.) 11 Sep 2015
11 Sep 2015 18:11:47
superb post well said coldo

2.) 11 Sep 2015
11 Sep 2015 17:49:00
mccoist is a legend and always will be welcome at ibrox, he didn't have a clue in the managerial side warburton has proved this but the guy was one of the best no.9s we have ever had

3.) 11 Sep 2015
11 Sep 2015 20:59:13
Here here coldo. Very well said mate.

4.) 11 Sep 2015
11 Sep 2015 20:38:46
Sorry but Ally was up part time teams for the first 2 years after the collapse and had a wages budget of £6m. We were embarrassed by part time teams and the football was shocking. Ally totally disregarded youth and brought in older players with no sell on value. Not one player improved under him and his record in the cup competitions was a disgrace. I don't dispute that the money paid to him wasn't his fault but to tell the fans he didn't know what he was on as he didn't look at his contract insults our intelligence. He was a great club striker who excelled in Scottish football but struggled at the highest level.

5.) 12 Sep 2015
11 Sep 2015 20:51:36
Coldo did you wash your bacon sandwich down with 10 pints of lager!
What are you on man?
On point 1:The guy is having a knee-jerk reaction to Ally's latest money orientated decision, I'm sure he'll be back putting money INTO the club.
On point 2:When I was being taken to Ibrox by my dad 40 odd years ago, I was told you only get 1 chance to sign for Rangers! Ally got 3! a legend doesn't wait till the price is right to sign! Unbelievable conditions! yes the second largest wage budget in Scotland, top class facilities, 40 odd thousand every home game, all to beat part-time teams! aye what a struggle that must have been.
True! we had a boardroom full of crooks and spivs! AH! but wait a minute!!! were they not all endorsed by your "Legend" Helped along by 1p shares. He more than anyone must have been able to see what was happening yet did nothing.
Now point 3:If his contract says he gets x amount then that is what he should get, whether he is entitled to it is a matter of opinion. Most people have to work to justify a wage, are you saying what we got from Ally was worth it?
No, he didn't deliberately make a mess of it, he was just useless, this was visible as far back as the 2007/2008 season when he took charge of cup ties, He signed what he could, the various boards never knocked him back for any player he wanted, he picked the players and then proceeded to turn 1st team SPL players into well paid useless duds in the 1st div & then the championship.
There was no scouting, well knowing this, could Ally not have got off his well upholstered backside and went looking at players himself? I mean he was on £800k a year FFS! He could have done it when he embarrassed the club (and cost us money through lost retail sales etc) by having weekend games against part-time teams called off before Scotland games instead of playing golf.Show at least a tiny bit of professionalism.
I honestly think the only thing in Ally's mind was himself everything else was secondary and that includes us the Supporters. Why else the contempt he showed us with his "I didn't even read my contract" & having a karaoke after one of the most humiliating results in our history, to the Ian Black betting against the team scandal.
If I worked under comparable conditions in my job, I think I could cope with the same salary as him. But here's the rub!! If I performed to his standard I would have been sacked after the equivalent of the defeat at Stirling Albion and I would have expected it, without gardening leave!!! but football rewards failure and Ally is living proof.
Rangers Record Goalscorer yes.
Rangers Legend? NEVER!

6.) 12 Sep 2015
12 Sep 2015 06:25:16
Have to laugh when I here people saying poor ally he didn't have a scouting system. Warburton doesn't have 1 either but look at what he's done in 2months. It's called being a good coach/manager Mccoist was to lazy to know anything about players in Scotland never mind England.

7.) 12 Sep 2015
12 Sep 2015 08:31:46
Spot on Coldo.

It depresses me coming on to this site and reading some of the - in my humble opinion - pish that some of our supporters attempt to write about McCoist. Everyone is entitled to a view and that's what Rangers Banter is about I guess - and mine is that to give a guy who has given so much of his life to Rangers such vitriolic abuse beggars belief. Ironically, I just hope that the short memories that prevail on this site continue and - over time - McCoist is elevated back up to the status he deserves for the role he has played at Ibrox since joining from Sunderland. (And staying despite the games where the whole Copland Road stand was standing as one singing the jaunty ditty "Ally, get tae f#'k, Ally Ally, get tae f#'k" after he missed another sitter).

John Grieg - the greatest ever Ranger - was vilified by media and fans alike for his latter managerial performance and for hanging on to Jock Wallace's team and showing too much loyalty to the likes of Jardine, etc. To be fair, their was less controversy over his departure and notice period, but there was - rightly - huge controversy over his woefully inept and robotic Sportscene presenting performance and general all-round punditry ("don't talk to me about Chris Waddle - worst player in Britain......."). Anyway, the point is - he left Ibrox under a cloud and look at his status now. Here's hoping it's the same for McCoist.

I, for one, really look forward to his book which will undoubtedly come out at some point telling his side of the story which, probably, no-one apart from him (and his ghost writer) knows. Hopefully, he'll have the good grace to wait a few years but I would bet a substantial sum that many of his current detractors will reverse their opinion of him when they realise the conditions he had to work under towards the end of his tenure at Ibrox. (For the record, I'm not defending Rangers' performances under his management, especially last year, I'm defending him).

Given his service to Rangers as player, bench-warmer (and he stayed when it would have been easier to go when Souness didn't fancy him), Assistant Manager, Manager (a role to which he was not suited but Paul Le Guen - who was here today and gone tomorrow but is more respected by some despite his chaotic stewardship of the team) and Ambassador for the club at a time when no-one else stood up to the plate - I have absolutely no problem with him having taken whatever he could from the club that was legally his.

I wish the man well and hope that, like Grieg, he can come back to Rangers as employee (but perhaps not Manager), guest, ambassador, whatever - with his head held high and with the full support of the fans - even the one's spouting off on here that are either too young to know what he has done or who have simply jumped on the bandwagon.

I don't like the abuse he is getting and I'll get some for this but at least I've got it off my chest now.

Cheers.

8.) 12 Sep 2015
12 Sep 2015 11:19:19
Very. Well put m8, he is a legend, awful manager. But we don't know The Facts, which I suspect are beyond our wildest imagination. some people on here are not ranGers fans remember, many would like to think they're taking us for fools, wouldn't you abhab
Coisty story has a lot of mileage yet, and may yet end in the high court.
Tommy

9.) 12 Sep 2015
12 Sep 2015 13:42:37
So, Bruisedbear, I have attempted to write about your "legend". Just a thought though, is any of it true?. No short memories from me! I mentioned he chose Sunderland over Rangers for money. So when he signed I was always sceptical. I won't and can't fault his goalscoring record, and, I cheered everyone of them (as I have every goal my team have scored) but for him to be mentioned in the same sentence as John Greig!

Some of what you say of John Greig's managerial career is true, but to set you straight. John Greig was too loyal to some players "Jardine etc" but Sandy Jardine (another real Rangers Legend) left Ibrox and was POTY when he moved to Hertz.John Greig didn't have a "notice period" John Greig resigned with dignity, a big difference from sitting on your fat posterior grabbing £17K a week from a contract you never allegedly even read. Well at least you can always console yourself with the fact that your opinion of a legend is better on the TV than mine! Can't wait to hear Ally's wonderful insight into the champions League matches or even our games now!

No John Greig never left Ibrox under any sort of cloud.
Given his service to Rangers! you make Ally sound like he was doing it out of the goodness of his heart! Jesus the club paid him a substantial salary in all the positions you have mentioned & up until a few days ago still were. Even now he came to a settlement, he didn't just tear the remainder of his unread contract up! He simply has no shame! and you want him back as an employee!

Don't you feel conned by your legend over his statements about previous boards? statements designed to get supporters like you (I assume) and me to spend our HARD-EARNED wages on season tickets, buy shares at 70p while he gets his at 1p, don't you feel your legend was taking money as wages under false pretences, knowing he was not up to the job, being lazy & unprofessional.
If none of the above bothers you, well, I truly despair!
As I said:
Rangers record goalscorer, Yes
Rangers Legend, NEVER!

10.) 12 Sep 2015
12 Sep 2015 15:21:16
Tomtom12 I would say it's a cert mccoist will be a star witness in the up and coming court case, I also think that's his reason for saying nowt, as things stand,

11.) 12 Sep 2015
12 Sep 2015 17:37:59
not so youngwinston 1

You should write for a red-top.

You use the word legend with quotation marks as though you were quoting my post. I never used that term once and never referred to him as a legend.

How do you know Greig didn't have a notice period? How do you know he didn't get a pay-off? Did McCoist resign? Who knows? Thing is, in Greig's era, the Rangers board had some integrity and dignity and the whole thing would not have been played out for the media.

I certainly never insinuated that McCoist did anything out of the goodness of his heart - but on saying that did he not work for £0 at some point around 2012? Again, who knows?

And to say Greig didn't leave under a cloud is pants. Any manager who resigns because of results or is sacked because of results leaves under a cloud. Fans, the media, the board wanted him punted because it wasn't happening on the park - but he's now regarded as a legend. Things change over time and I'm hoping that they change for McCoist too.

I don't feel conned by anything he did. I am only sorry that he couldn't deliver as a manager but I don't think it was for lack of effort or emotional attachment to the club.

I believe he's been a good servant to Rangers. Other's don't - especially because, I suspect, they are raw and last season's performances were amongst the worst ever from a Rangers team with the worst ever finances and the worst ever board. Fair enough. Onwards and upwards.

Cheers