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15 Dec 2014 13:34:15
Ally has just proved he is not in it for the best of rangers.
If he was he would have quit and saved the club under a mill.
He is just as bad as the other money orientated board members.
And when he does leave and all these stories about the bad
Behaviour by these boards, my last little bit of respect for ally
Will go. He knew all this was going on and still asked us to
Stick with the club and back everyone.
It's kind of a catch 22, love to hear all but like I said ally knew and did nuttin.
Our next manager needs to be able to build a prem winning
Team on a budget, ( a real budget ).
What's your thoughts ed on ally telling all.
{Ed039's Note - I think Ally will be gone by the end of the week but the terms of his departure will be covered in all sorts of confidentiality agreements so I dont think Ally will be able to give a warts n all account of anything, which is ashame as he would make a fortune out of an autobiography)
1.) Heard rangers fc and mike Ashley have been charged by the sfa over dual ownership
2.) Ed. in responce to the o. p I don't think ally will take hush money, if don't think he will be able to say anything until the police have completed there work over at I our stadium, it's not as if he needs money, he has made a healthy living at our club, and I think he will want to give us his side of the story, oh, I've never rated him as a manager.
13 Nov 2014 22:30:43
How can anyone blame us the fans for the short-Cummings of the board.
we are not obligated to buy season books we choose to, all this about falling attendances hurting the club bull tonks.
The Board have looked at the max attendance of the stadium and said that's how much we can spend. and then have the cheek to blame the fans for spending money.
Lastly all these posts stating fans like me are failing this club by not going to the matches, all I can say is worry about how to take your head out of the sand before offering advice.
1.) The problem is that the fans who are not showing up are hurting the club and are making it much more difficult than it needs to be but i don't for one second blame them. If they feel that's the only way to get there point across then fair enough. But it will be intresting to see how many season books we sell in the summer for the start of the season back in the top flight.
2.) 14 Nov 2014 09:09:43
Surely u must realise a company will set its budget compared to what it had on sales for the previous year/years & with this year suppose to be the final push to be back to the top table could've looked forward to increased attendance, has the board made mistakes of course they have but fans must take some blame for the fall in revenue with boycotts that have achieved nothing other than hurt the club.
r. f
3.) Everyone is going on about boycotts a lot of the fans have just had enough of the way this club is being run how dare they blame the fans they have burned their way through the best part of £70 mill we haven't paid a transfer fee we have watched as Spivs have came and left with their pockets full still we read of Greens men meeting with the current regime they are as thick as thieves where did the money go look at the team full of free transfers wee don't even have a scouting system if and i'm sure we will get back to top flight where will the money come from to compete in top league come from how will the fans view the team struggling to be top four the shirt deal we have is a joke 49% of the profits go to Ashley and we have the production costs no wonder he wants to keep the lights on its a licence to print money so boycotts may be the word for a minority of fans but the majority have just had enough of these leaches sucking the blood out of us and may never return I think it will be a long long time before our club is back to anyway near the club we all knew and loved
4.) R. F. for you to say the fans have to take some of the blame is disgraceful, the fans have stood by the club over the past years and the board have wasted £70M of the hard earned money put in by the fans. We have paid wages, contracts, bonuses etc way beyond our financial capabilities and continue to do so, that is why the club is in the state it finds itself in not because of the fans.
I keep hearing about boycotts? there is no boycott some fans simply are sick fed up seeing what is happening to our once great club and want change. The board will always blame the fans as this deflects the focus away from them but for fans to blame other fans is disgraceful.
5.) 14 Nov 2014 11:22:26
You said it greens men filled there pockets, ashley wasn't around when the 70 mil was blown, no matter what you think of ashley and I'm not saying he's the answer he maybe he may not be but u have to realise by staying away or boycotting whatever u want to call it won't stop him as with not enough monies coming in he will keep giving loans until he owns all the assets anyway. I've never supported the men wearing suits & ties when I go to Ibrox I support the eleven men wearing blue jerseys on the pitch.
r. f
6.) The board really should have looked at 1 of the main reasons a couple of thousand fans did not renew, the football! pure and simple with me. I could not justify paying the increased prices to watch what Ally thinks is acceptable. I will be there tomorrow just because my mates are going but I am not paying up front to watch what an incompetent manager puts on the pitch.
7.) 14 Nov 2014 12:04:23
And that's the way to do it if u don't like the managers style of play, the teams playing good, c**p, or whatever u go to the match and vent your feelings.
r. f
8.) 14 Nov 2014 12:11:42
It's not about blame, I also said the board must look at what they have done, but if revenue is down due to attendance figures who do u look at the fans and I'm sorry but that's as plain as it gets.
r. f
9.) @8 r. f. It's not about blame? Can I remind you of your earlier post
"the fans who stay away must accept there share of the blame. "
Make your mind up.
As Wullie stated, disgraceful comment and one of the most ridiculous I have read.
02 Jun 2014 12:50:57
Ed could we have a poll for if ally was replaced ( a man can dream ) would we accept him to be offered a job on the board.
{Ed013's Note - of course mate}
01 May 2014 11:00:31
Can't believe reading on this site some of you still think ally has no blame in this mess.
1: name a board member that ruined this club that ally didn't endorse.
2: what has ally done in any shape to help this club.
Ffs wake up, ally has been kept as manager to tell muppets like you there no problems within this club. When are you going to understand ally is as much a cancer as everybody else.
The guy doesn't have a backbone, FFs.
In his defence he may be too close to the situation.
Tell u what though as soon as he's gone the real truth will come out of his mouth about the club.
1.) I never said there was no blame - we should have used more youth, spent less on wages and played more attractive football. This might have helped us financially by a couple of million here or there.
And I hope I'm proved wrong but I think he'll get found out next season.
But I'll say it again, Mccoist didn't create this mess in the first place, or blow £67 million did he?
We need to worry about whether we'll have a club at all, instead of going over every McCoist interview picking up on the odd sentence and ripping him to shreds.
If we survive this, we can worry about sho manages the team.
2.) I will be upfront and admit straight away that I am a fan of Ally. Whilst it looks like I am progressively becoming a minority, I still think he is the right man for the job.
I will admit that there have been times I have been frustrated and even bamboozled by his tactics and more so, his selection policy. But I do not understand why so many people are holding him responsible for the majority of off field problems?
He is the manager, nothing more. He is not responsible for running the club, raising funds, setting budgets, signing off on cheques, paying wages, stadium maintenance, pitch upkeep, the share issue and so on and so on. As the manager of the cub, his responsibilities are limited.
I work as a chef in a hotel, I am employed to produce a high quality of food. If the owners are skimping, fiddling the books and ruining the business, I would not be expected to shoulder the blame.
He is simply an employee who has no control over the budget and is purely responsible for the footballing side of the business that is Rangers. ( which vastly needs improved next season)
Which one of you out there would turn down a massive wage if offered it tomorrow by your employer? Now how many of you would offer to half your wage in order to help your employer?
There is no other manager in the world who is judged the same way as Ally. They are judged on results and on the on field product.
After the Valentines Day massacre when we were in such dire need and had sod all leadership and everyone else was jumping ship, he chose to stand up and try and do what was right for the club for the simple reason that he knew the fans held him in such high regard and he also loves the club.
I don't expect everyone to love the bloke or even like him. As fans, we have every right to blame him for our on field troubles. I just feel it is right to judge him fairly and judge him for what he is paid to do.
3.) Never said he was to blame but he had a big part,
He brought in players with big wages.
Yes he doesn't do contracts, but he did
Bring them in. He has to have the players in 5* hotels to show rangers are a big club.
He has to have funds every year to compete.
Non of the above was actually needed.
Even to this day he's still asking for more funds to spend. And that twiddle about our wage % being envy for other clubs.??
He is adding to a huge pile.
He needs to go just as well as this board ally has let this club down badly.
Like I said when he is eventually gone, wait and see what really went on at this club that he turned a blind eye to. he backed, and advised us to back every twot who had a hand in this mess.
To sum up I'm not saying ally's to blame, but by god he sure helped the black hole.
4.) We don't need towait till next season he has been found out already
5.) He didn't create the mess, no, but the performances against Maribor and Malmo in 2011, kinda helped precipitate the first disaster
6.) McCoist is the luckiest manager in history. Every time he is under the microscope. some boardroom troubles raise their head and that takes the spot light off of him.
It is fact that we would not be in this financial mess if we had a young and progressive manager in the role since dropping down the leagues. If we had done so, we would now have a better product on the park today. A young hungry team who wanted to prove the doubters wrong.
We had an amazing opportunity to reinvent things. but unfortunately McCoist was there and opted to spend on an un-needed class of player to make up for his tactical naivety. Have you ever seen a worse Rangers manager? If so who?
I would ask what exactly was it he was doing when working alongside Walter Smith for all of those years (Scotland/ Rangers)? What did he learn? Nothing it seems!
Lets remember he blew a 15 point lead when in the SPFL surrendering the titles to Celtic then had us exit Europe. He had half a season with a better team and it all fell to bits. What does that say? What chance do we have under this man when we do get back to the premiership. I would guess a top 4 finish, most seasons at a push.
The mans arrogance also knows no bounds. Daily/weekly and monthly playing to all galleries. He doesn't do walking away. but should be pushed at the earliest opportunity. Thankfully most people are now aware of how rank rotten he is.
7.) @ 6 "It is fact that we would not be in this financial mess if we had a young and progressive manager in the role since dropping down the leagues"
Really?
8.) StEddy, you hit the nail on the head. It was obvious, at that stage, he was not the man to manage our team. That is the key to why Green then backed him. Give him big bucks to run the team and the support will follow like lambs to the slaughter. We did and the rest is history.
Whether he was in it with Green who knows, but would you not ask yourself when given a lucrative salary and bonus payment, then the shares-----'' where's the catch?''
Green then let him get what he liked as far as players go, and then set about ripping the ass out of the club.
However, without Green there would be no club, so where were all the Rangers' men then?
9.) @7 Its all Allys fault you should know that. If we had got a "young progressive manager" in, last season, all our troubles would be over, we would have millions in the bank, a team of youths, a happy united support, a board to be proud of and oh yes we would still be in division 3 with no way back. People don't realise that we are losing money hand over fist to who knows where and to who knows who at least we can see the money that is being spent on players, we need a good team on the park next season and a team of youths would not have got us to here let alone survive next season. Ally is not our enemy check out our majority shareholders for that.
10.) To say macoist had no say in wages and contracts is totally wrong because he was directly involved in making offer and and details for j daly contract I know that to be factual and as he keeps saying there is no network of scouts therefore all signings and proposed signings are down to him unless he gets someone to write the details on paper and he does not read it
11.) @ billy b,. never heard so much bull we would never have had Green if Whyte wasn't still involved, no one other than Green was getting the club, once BDO tell us the truth, you will find there will be charges against D&P take your head out of the sand
12.) Everyone knows we should have used the Youth players more to rebuild and as much as that would have greatly helped the team on the park it would sadly not have made any difference to our finances, as the more money the club would have had would have meant the more money these robbing b'stards would have taken hence the constant pleas to fans for fresh funds.
Remember we did generate £70 million, where is it? Get them out now, including Ally or we will never move forward.
13.) 11. ] Believe what you like. Like it or lump it, much as I despise Green for where we are, he kept us in existence. Your thinking will destroy us and one question ''Where were the great Rangers men when funds had to be raised?'' ------ Answer-- '' Making a lot of noise but doing nothing. ''
14.) MCoist has been kept by all of the boards for 2 reasons. Firstly because he is seen as a good Rangers man so having him on their side is a great PR tool, secondly they can't afford to get rid of him and the backroom staff.
15.) To 14. ] but that does not make him a good manager. He is now believing his own garbage and thinks he is good for us. Many now think, rightly so, he is no good for us. He will never regain the respect he has lost, but for goodness sake he must go to retain any dignity.
16.) First off everybody at the club should be held accountable for the trouble rangers are in from the board down to the management staff yes youth should have been given a chance but what if that didn't work and we were still stuck in the 3rd division we would all be shouting the same as now eg ally has to go get him out, we should have bought some experienced players etc etc. Ally got experience all be it on high wages but they have done their job by that I mean 2 championships in 2 years. Ps I know the football hasn't been pretty infact dire at some points but we all said 2 years ago we have go get back to the top division as quickly as we can cause that's where we belong let's all stick together cause we are the people we will be back and we will NEVER be beaten.
17.) @ 6 alrus blue I agree with the majority of your post. Except the football related costs are circa £25million of the £70 million spent.
People rushing to McCoist's defense saying they want to give him another season- why he has had 3 already and Ibrox has more and more spaces every time his team and his non tactics are on display.
We are a football club and if the football on display is poor that is down to one man and one man alone- Alastair McCoist.
The boardroom machinations have definitely taken the spotlight off him but those fans wanting him to stay on are remembering his goal scoring activities and ignoring the rubbish we have had to endure in his reign.
Also forgetting Raith Rovers, Albion Rovers, Dundee United 3 times, Inverness Caley Thistle, Forfar, Falkirk and Maribor.
Some of the greatest names in world football? Well no actually.
We pay to watch football matches. The board don't pick the team, sort out tactics and team motivation that is McCoist and his 2 sidekicks.
The board need to go but so does the "manager" formerly known as Super Ally.
But on money and mistakes I notice Everton look like testing United's resolve on Andy Robertson. Former amateur no costs involved = profit- remember that word? Oh and that is down to Ally not the board.
23 Apr 2014 14:03:55
Love ally's quotes in daily record.
Basically ally said we played pish but still won, good habit to get into.
That just says it all.
1.) Bit worried that the board is doing too
Much damage by not getting rid of ally.
Look at moyes, ferguson left later than should have and moyes never had backing to do the job. What will our new manager have to do
2.) Couldnae make the game last night as I was working. I don't buy the daily Celt anymore but I saw ally's verdict on the game and I nearly peed ma panties. quote. we didn't play as well as we have been playing but it's the result that counts. ally I am steadily starting to really dislike you now!
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23 Feb 2015 18:09:55
What it sounds like is they do it, why can't we.
Let me explain something rf this whole thing about people on their side, no one on ours side s###e urks me. The thing is
When we mature we see there is no such thing as sides just EXCUSES.
Why can't we set the example.
The bottom line is we are in a bad situation, and these t##t fans are making it worse. How can we ask for change and are not willing to do the same.
How can we claim to be a better club, when we are still playing in the mud.
The east sing songs so what. Let them show there true selves.
And ed this we are victim cards that these so called fans keep chiming on about makes me sick.
{Ed039's Note - I agree, I dont see the point in it whatsoever, we will continue to be "victims" of critisism from others until such a time as the element of fans that plague the Rangers support either grow up or ship out ........ and before anybody says anything i use the word "victims" in the loosest possible terms)
26 Nov 2014 18:21:44
Rf are you for real,
You think to show disapproval you carry on paying.
When stadiums are filled fans are happy, when fans are not filling, things are wrong. Problem is this board don't care.
I just hope ma cleans house, new lower wages for all players
They plan on riding this cash cow as long as poss.
I think we should make history and send ally out on loan to learn the basics.
Rf that's the problem, ally on too much.
The next manager should be brought
In on a reduced salary.
Look ashley does nae want to own rangers, he wants to profit from them.
Ie own our shops, sell our merchandise,
Rename the stadium, even own our brand (badge). So he will make all new
Rangers merchandise that only he will profit from.
If we the fans don't wake up and pull together this institution will always be run by the wrong people. Only the fans
Can save us. As Delia smith said WHERE ARE YOU.