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10 Jan 2025 21:37:10
First time on this account so this will be long. I do have a few sources of info through two players, albeit 1 first team and 1 just breaking through from the B team. And the info I get from them is mainly rumours as one of them said that sometimes they are informed of goings on at the same time we are.
From seeing everyone’s opinions recently it’s really making me question why any of us really expected anything different, for a few reasons.
1. we talk about “bleeding the youth” but it’s a bit late now that should have happened after 2012 but the club went for the “bigger player model, daly etc”
2. If none of the youth team players are good enough to break through with the exception of Ross, why are we spending millions a year investing into it?
3. After Gerrard, GVB was the obvious choice but in my opinion at the time a lazy one by the board, Beale again was a lazy decision. With clement the board in fairness done due diligence and took a gamble but why ask souness to liaise when 1) they didn’t listen 2) while his opinions are valid there is a reason he hasn’t managed in 18 years.
4. After we last won the league, Celtic had before tried to save money by appointing Lennon again as soon as that backfired they (from what I’m told payed big money in Scotland for Ange) and when he left they again paid (and are weekly) even bigger money for Rodger’s to return because he is proven. Rangers board for some reason try to skimp on paying for managers but will happily throw £4 million for 28 year old Cyril Dessers.
I personally think clement has to go, it’s not even to do with the results it’s to do with the style of play and the constant rotation of the squad, even if a player is levels above the Scottish league and English scouts look at him, they will find it worrying that the club only plays him in 75% of the games. In terms of style of play look at Celtic, Under Ange Kyogo was valued at £25 million because the play was attractive and suited him, under Rodger’s it’s £14million.
A team where attacking players flourish will make the players more valuable, players in a team that can’t break other teams down won’t be valuable, it’s simple. Everton has some good attackers but the tactics under dyche weren’t great but I bet in a few months some of them will be with a lot more than they are now
For me McInnis won’t cut it for our “player trading model” he also isn’t stupid he won’t leave his comfortable job now to be unemployed in 6 months. I would go for Russel Martin or Muscat. My two left field ones however are as Asathor has said, Knutsen, Gattuso or go all out and try for lopetegui if he is crazy enough to accept it. He was dumped by West Ham but you don’t coach Real Madrid and agree a contract with AC Milan unless you are decent and his stocks down atm.
1.) 11 Jan 2025 01:29:11
@belfastger - do you think Gattuso could maintain harmony in a squad over the course of even one season?
2.) 11 Jan 2025 04:09:38
Good post until I see Russel Martin name mentioned mate I just can’t agree with that one but everything is ?.
3.) 11 Jan 2025 06:41:24
Nonsense. He sadly isn’t the answer and there football.
Agree with managers getting left with poor players at their disposal because since that window in January 2022 our transfer business has been terrible as the players who were bought from the summer of 2018 to 2020 when it was a proper rebuild from the weakest teams we ever had in the top division would eventually have to be replaced and the guys that have been brought in since then to replace those players just haven’t been good enough and have hardly contributed and your then left to look at the older players to continue to contribute even though they have naturally regressed but this doesn’t deflect from the fact that the current manager just cannot work out how to get results domestically after 15 months and if anyone thinks that being 15 points behind at the start of January is acceptable then that’s up to them but I certainly don’t.
It would be different if you could see what the manager was trying to do and it’s just case of giving him a bit more time and more windows but his way of playing and constant baffling team selections means he will never be the answer and his off the field behaviour as well is nothing short of embarrassing, blaming refs and the officials every other game which has unfortunately turned our fans into paranoid androids who blame everything on the sfa and officials and think there is one big conspiracy against us with is exactly how we used to laugh at Celtic when we accused them of being paranoid.
He needs to go now.
4.) 11 Jan 2025 07:25:24
Lazlo, that’s a fair point he has struggled with Milan etc but at least he kinda knows the club and the league.
Strom- although he was poor this season with Southampton I actually rate Martin, he done well with a poor squad, Juric who is a more experienced coach is even worse. At least martins football was attractive.
5.) 11 Jan 2025 09:40:21
You can rate him all you like mate that’s up to you but I would rather keep pc than have Martin anywhere near us.
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13 Jan 2025 20:13:08
I just want to say that all in all I respect and understand why the support decided to walk out especially the union bears. I have many times been in their area (Liverpool thrashing being one) and even then they were all loyal and passionate, even when we were 7-1 down they kept trying to sing and bring the atmosphere up. However I agree with the other half that think it was a disgrace. I personally am on the fence, while I think change is needed at the club as mccoist said we don't do walking away.
Yes I think the club has been mismanaged and some players are utter dross, but I don't think it's by choice. I do believe that the board while useless have tried to make the right decisions but were wrong (we need to remember these guys are businessmen who are successful, but they may be able to run a car business but football is different) but they have tried. And some of the players are trying their best but are just dump, and I don't think attacking the club and eachother is at the minute the best option I think unison is.
I for one will be there against the sheep and yeah I should probably walk out, but I think that a bigger statement would be made if instead of walking out there was no singing until 15:30 minutes has passed to signify our 153 year history then after everyone provides the ibrox roar and sings until the final whistle as usual and after.
As the old proverb goes "Though The Straits Be Broad or Narrow Its Follow We Will"
Things may be horrible with the club that we all love right now but splitting the fan base is not the way to resolve it.
1.) 13 jan 2025 20:30:37
hold on, you respect and understand those that walked out, but you " agree with those who thought it was a disgrace to walk out "
i think i get the rest bro, yes, they should simply not have turned up
but it was all about attention so that wasnt an option for them.
2.) 13 Jan 2025 21:01:46
No tom, they absolutely should have turned up, it shows that they still are behind the club but have disgruntlements. In every industry strike action is fine, half the work force might agree, half might not. That is what happened the other day. They believed that they had to take action and did, so I respect that decision.
I just don't believe that continually doing that will make a difference, I think that the fans staying silent until a certain point will cause a bigger shockwave.
I just don't believe that the current split in the fan base is the correct way to go about things, you might not agree with what they think is the best way to go about it but don't boo eachother. We have one goal and that's the betterment of our club, some people will be wrong and some will be right but don't turn on eachother.
3.) 13 Jan 2025 21:39:36
Not sure what affect not singing until 15:30 will do in the Aberdeen game when it's a 20:00 KO.
4.) 13 Jan 2025 22:16:07
Hahaha cooper I apologise I can see where I messed up, my mistake. I meant minutes wise in the game as supposed to the actual time. Mainly because we all saw the effect the lack of atmosphere had on the players performance after the walkout.
5.) 13 jan 2025 23:26:52
it ain't they're workplace mate, it's a place of sports entertainment and home of rangers fc, they shouldn't have turned when they're only conceivable outcome was always going to be ridicule and embarrassment to them and the club, there's never going to be any other outcome than that, all over the uk there's jokes and videos about the entitled @ onion bears", they won't achieve anything other than that, it's business that changes things not wee boys in black.
6.) 14 Jan 2025 00:16:57
They've done the walking out it's getting a bit much now especially in a game where they'll need substantial backingwhen it's a team we should be putting energy in from the stands agsinst.
7.) 14 Jan 2025 09:20:02
so its ok for loads of folk to protest about other things in life and take up the streets (especially ones that have no meaning to themselves, just attention seeking) but not ok for Rangers Fans to protest against the failings of their beloved football club and the way it is operated?
Oh what a world we live in.
8.) 14 Jan 2025 09:56:52
It is accepted that this year was to be a transition year. In transition years, things get worse before they get better. If the players the management team have brought in are terrible, then it would be OK to protest about that. If they are not terrible, if they are pretty good and just need time to adjust to the Scottish game, then our supporters should see that and support them. When we stop doing that, it diminishes our club. Clement, in my eyes anyway, is stronger now than he was before and that's the irony of what the Union Bears did on Sunday.
11 Jan 2025 07:25:24
Lazlo, that’s a fair point he has struggled with Milan etc but at least he kinda knows the club and the league.
Strom- although he was poor this season with Southampton I actually rate Martin, he done well with a poor squad, Juric who is a more experienced coach is even worse. At least martins football was attractive.
11 Jan 2025 00:32:10
Bathgate, I completely agree with you, I’ve followed the team through thick and thin, I went from being there when Pedro mendes scored the screamer against them to the first match back watching Andy little attempt to play football also stood and watched in the flesh Pedro caxhina try to explain why he was useless, and even then I wasn’t as angry as I am now because it was all explainable.
Yes they have said that they are cutting costs etc. but a board member should at least come out and tell us their 5 year objectives. Because either clement is to blame for this and in that case sack him or the board are and he’s a scapegoat. But it’s one or the other so if the board continue to back him it means they are to blame so therefore at least say to the fans “look we need to cut costs we won’t be anywhere near them for the next few years but we are investing so that in 5 years we will have the infrastructure to surpass them” that’s how all business work on a 5 year plan but from what I have seen in the past 3 years from them they either have no plan and are just working term by term or they have a plan but refuse to be responsible if it doesn’t work out.
11 Jan 2025 00:20:24
The reality of where we are though? I would have understood you completely if it was pre Covid, since then am I the only one that remembers the great unwashed chasing the players out of the car park after a match because they were brutal? The difference there is the board reacted, sacked Lennon and paid to get a decent manager in. We were miles ahead of them then, the only thing that has changed is boardroom decisions and poor recruitment. I agree long gone are the days of us getting laudrup etc.
But Celtic over the years buy young good players and develop them then sell them for millions (jota, edouard, van dijk etc) we sign Davy propers at the age of 30, don’t sell top players when the time is right and when we do we replace them with 26 year old ex wonderkids from the championship that have an injury record longer than a week in jail and then cry out for sympathy when inevitably every year we have a “injury crisis”. Now I’m no business guru but to me player trading is simple, buy cheap while young, develop (which means actually playing not stuck in the B team) they play well then you sell on.
10 Jan 2025 23:57:42
I don’t disagree with that Tom, he has said before about the size of rangers but then why turn around and say that he expects igmane to move to a “bigger club” could have just said higher standard etc. I think his comment there highlights the reason why we drop paints against “mid table teams” because he underestimates them and tries to rotate. Gerrard done the same thing but learnt from it, Clement should have learnt by now. It would work in other leagues but for a Dundee etc playing us even on a cold night in January is their cup final.
10 Jan 2025 21:48:58
He may be the manager of our club and I don’t doubt that the guy is trying his best, we have all been in jobs etc that just don’t work out and it’s not nice. However what pushed me over the edge with him was his comment on igmanes future before the Dundee game.
He said that “Hamza will in the future move to a bigger club but that’s the distant future” people will defend him for that comment but real rangers supporters can you ever imagine Gerrard saying that? McCoist? Walter smith? Advocaat? McLeish? Any manager? To me it shows clements mentality that we are a small club. The correct answer was that “he will eventually leave for a better league” which is what Rodger’s has been saying about Kuhn.
13 Jan 2025 22:16:07
Hahaha cooper I apologise I can see where I messed up, my mistake. I meant minutes wise in the game as supposed to the actual time. Mainly because we all saw the effect the lack of atmosphere had on the players performance after the walkout.
13 Jan 2025 21:01:46
No tom, they absolutely should have turned up, it shows that they still are behind the club but have disgruntlements. In every industry strike action is fine, half the work force might agree, half might not. That is what happened the other day. They believed that they had to take action and did, so I respect that decision.
I just don't believe that continually doing that will make a difference, I think that the fans staying silent until a certain point will cause a bigger shockwave.
I just don't believe that the current split in the fan base is the correct way to go about things, you might not agree with what they think is the best way to go about it but don't boo eachother. We have one goal and that's the betterment of our club, some people will be wrong and some will be right but don't turn on eachother.
13 Jan 2025 20:39:55
Agree DK, but surely we can all see why they are doing it, while I don't think walking out is the answer there are surely other methods to protest while also supporting the team.
11 Jan 2025 00:07:17
The downsizing and lack of quality has been obvious for the past few years John but for me it’s completely unexplained. Yes Celtic have Desmond who supports them a lot financially, but for us in previous years we sold Patterson, bassey, aribo etc all for decent money so what in your opinion is causing our deficit year on year? Because yes wages were high but if you do the maths should not eclipse the incoming money from transfers, competitions, season tickets etc.
Said this in my last post I read this religiously and always look out for your posts and replies, while I might question you on some things it’s only to see your thoughts you, Copeland and sunshine are the best posters on here.
10 Jan 2025 21:56:42
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.