Rangers Rumours Archive July 12 2012

12 Jul 2012 16:48:53
It would appear that tomorrow will be the death knell of Scottish football.

The SPL chairmen must be panicing because they alll theough that we would be in div one and they would still get our money the following year.

It looks as if SFL clubs are not going to allow this and this totally ridiculous situation where club with attendences of 2000 and less are potentially going to lose 50,000 fans to the game.

Four years without Rangers money will see at least half a dozen SPL clubs be in the mire, because of the bloodlust of their fans. I read that the Morton poll was 670 fans. So in effect 670 fans from each of these clubs are going to deny Scottish football a lifeline. It is pathetic, tit for tat, rubbish but well done to these clubs you are about to make the worst decision of your lives.

13th July, shut the doors and put the lights out. Only in Scotland.

Absolutely spot on mate. as an Englishman with no vested interest - cannot believe how short sighted the chairman up North are - only team we watch down here kicked out is nonsense. all the best yorkielad

It may well be the death nail, but the SPL clubs put the final nail in themselves with their petty voting. How can the SPL clubs talk about sporting integrity, then vote Rangers out of the SPL, but expect the SFL not have any integrity by voting them into the SFL1, so they bounce back after 1year, so the SPL clubs continue to get TV money. Only the strongest will survive. John, Inverness

Whats pathetic about it? The newco were thrown a lifeline, when they were handed a transfer embargo, but oh no D&P had to fight it & won. Now the rest of scottish football are fighting back, oh and by the way, you can put the lights out

No mate "This is just the beginning" lol

Neil Lennon @ Paradise May 2011

OP regardless of any other clubs attendances surely "the mighty Rangers" will still have their loyal 50,000 fans a fortnight. So what does it matter to you how many turn up for East Fife or Aberdeen or whomever? Besides wont a weaker SPL be easier for Rangers to climb when they get back? As for turning the lights out, Rangers owed Scottish Power £302.44 when they went into administration, surely Rangers should have turned them off quicker?

Why have you allowed yourself to be brainwashed into thinking this will be the end of Scottish Football? The truth on this matter is that, if certain teams do eventually struggle to meet their bills etc they will simply go into administration and not liquidation like old Rangers. They will take a point reduction and then move on , not dissappear like old Rangers? This will probably benifit a large number of teams if this happens as they would then clear their debt ie Dundee(2x) and Motherwell, AS YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED BOTH CURRENTLY ALIVE AND KICKING FOOTBALLS IN SCOTTISH LEAGUES. The new proposals that are being bandied about as saviour of the game, have probably been looked at by most Premier teams DIRECTORS previously {they may have actually thought them up but couldnt get them passed by old voting system in SPL due to Celtic and Gers power base}, as they will now see a chance to go into admistration with less chance of losing their place in the top flight. The death knell is a long way off and many shrewd directors know this! hence the numbers voting that life starts again in Division 3 for NEWCO, which would allow all teams in Scottish Football to generate more money as the NEWCO make their way back to top tier. Dont be fooled that these "muppets" as Burley called them hav'nt already done their figures on numbers coming through their gates in the next few years and all they can hear is?? the till ringing in their favour. In fact the new monies being generated in lower divisions from NEWCO will allow certain teams to prosper as never before. Armageddon then becomes Utopia.....

There is no bloodlust. What is happening is individual clubs not allowing themselves to be bullied into accepting another club committing numerous rule breaches without apology or remorse (ie still talking about bloodlust) and just getting away with it all effectively scot free

Do you honestly believe if we accepted the ban we'd be in SPL? Or div 1? Give me a break.

Hard times come on many businesses from many walks of life. Tightening the purse strings and pruning now to flourish later is are regular business practices. Scottish clubs will be fine, as are Norwegian clubs, as are Turkish clubs - in leagues without clubs the size of the old firm.

Rangers are not being punished, nor is there a bloodlust. What's happening in Scottish football is an execution of the rules which all clubs signed up to. Nothing more, nothing less.

Look as your song goes..." You were Rangers Super Rangers, No one likes yous,you don't care, yous hate Celtic cos there richer, you were rangers now nae mair!" {Ed052's Note - Blah blah blah if we are no more why you on this page right now

I am a rangers fan from Tullibody, next season I am going along to watch Alloa, had enough of all the anti Rangers shute! How many other fans will we lose to other teams while we are in the wilderness?

Nonsense, the clubs will just have to cut costs and reduce outgoings, and get back to actually living within their means, which was the case pre-souness revolution. At this time I can see Rangers being given their Div 3 wish and not having enough time to get everything in place to be legally put into any league, which may mean sitting out a year, I have said it before, the clock is ticking and time is running out, at this time I am really concerned, if we have to sit out then i suggest the leagues will be reconstructed in any case to accomodate our team in whatever form it takes, what is your thoughts ED:? {Ed052's Note - if rangers go to division 3 there will be major cut backs. In my opinion I think Scottish football should have stuck with the 3 foreigner rule , the game is in a mess and the waste of good young talent.also when the sky deal started, teams just went all out for it. I just hope we can get the whole mess sorted out for the sake of Scottish football

I hope it is the end of scottish football i go and watch it but my god when you stand back what a waste of money you spend on it , its better off if its in the bin instead of hurting my eyes week in week out untill more teams give rangers and celtic a go nothing will change no matter what happens tomorrow, gazza

Read some of the foriegn reports. Scottish football is getting a real pasting.

Rangers were not voted out of the SPL, they were not voted in. It's made more difficult without full disclosure of the facts that brought clubs to their decision.
You would think a club getting into financial difficulties would receive support from the association it was a member of, however, the road into administration was a calculated path chosen through deliberate acts of non payment to HMRC. what the hell was he thinking? The fact the path was deliberate would be a factor in the decision making but not the whole story. I think there is still too much going on to be able to guarantee that Rangers can complete a season in whatever league they play.
Very badly handled.

Lennon and mc cartney dont have anything to worry about as regards song writing with your pish ,why dont you try the proclaimers there more your style doug t.s.o

Re yorkielad:

Rangers were the only team you watched???

What planet are you on?

Hoopey67 {Ed039's Note - His IP address says Earth)

To the OP. You spout nonsense. 4 years without Rangers money. You have been robbing everyone for years and your club have been liquidated, no-one else, only your club. Same club that tried to rob Dude Utd, Heart etc. Scottish football does not need Rangers money to survive and survive it will.

Not the death of scottish football, the death of Rangers, big difference, we welcome the chase....no sympathy for cheats

It will be D1 100%. The original point is totally valid tho, ts absolute madness that clubs with 1000 fans etc are having he final say on a club wih 50,000 week in week out, the SFA should of stepped in and taken over this situation

J {Ed001's Note - I think it is far more ridiculous that your arrogance makes you think you are better and more important simply because you have more fans!}

Commit the crime, serve the time! Your club cheated and bent the rules,get over it. Better having less revenue than having cheats in the SPL. PS Rangers are deid, who cares?

The post that claims the remaing spl teams will go into administration and not liquidation, and wil benifit the teams. as of april this year 2012 any company going into administration will have to pay all existing debts................look it up !!! ;-) so if that was their plan they have missed the boat. Hope the many shrewd directors as you said know this!!

In purely business terms, Green has about four options as to how to use the asset base he has aquired.
The only one that wont make him a fortune is to run a footballing operation - in any of the Scottish leagues

He knows he needs at least 20,000 per home game at the reduced ticket costs for SPL 1 / 3

Needs to re-negotiate the contracts for Wallace.Alexander and all the other TUPE loyals.

Has a manager who will stab him in the back and revert to his true allies

Cant market season tickets.

Faces a cash flow brick wall

Lost the goodwill of non Rangers fans.

Branding and marketing issues totally in state of confusion - no strip -no badge -maybe not even a name we would recognise. In sales speak , the brand is damaged
The worrying thing is that he does not seem to be looking for an exit strategy!

Well fellow rangers, this is were we have to back our team, we can make history here. We could win the 3rd, 2nd, 1st & Premier League in consecutive season's! Forget the rest of Scottish Football and.let's concentrate on getting us back to the top!

I'm sick and so tired of all this Rangers bashing from almost everyone in Scotland. Leave us in peace to start from 3rd division, without anymore sanctions. The SFA,SPL,SFL,SKY,etc are welcome to sort it all out.

LOL read your illiteracy, and not surprising as you clearly take your stance from the second worst commentator to come out of Scotland, Burley - the worst being McPherson.

"panicing"? What does this mean?"alll theough"? God you've lost me mate!

And 50000 supporters lost to the game? Are you not all meant to be so loyal? Best supporters in the land. Support them through any division?

And will the loss of TV revenue not actually hurt you? Is it only the rest that will suffer.

Deluded idiots. You even believe Sevco has a history

No vested interest ? but only team we watch down here,you talking for all of Engurland then, don't think so silly person.
Tam

@ "Why have you allowed yourself to be brainwashed...?"

There are so many things wrong with this post I don't know where to start. By what you have written I take it you aren't one of the high and mighty who frequent this site that has spent the last four and a bit months banging on and on about creditors and how immoral and unethical administration is as a process given they would only receive, at best, a pence in the pound offer as recompense for their losses?

This practice will "benefit a large number of teams" will it? So it would be perfectly acceptable to you for: staff and players to lose their jobs (i.e. Motherwell as a previous example); creditors to get royally bumped; our National game to be laughed at even more than it is now on the global stage; for half a dozen (a lot?) SPL teams to face a ten point deduction in the same season plus Uefa probably intervening if that were to be the case; administrators taking millions and millions out of our game that we simply cannot afford to lose; and facing no-one wanting to broadcast or be willing to sponsor a league riddled with bad debt (even the financially healthy clubs in the SPL would be affected in a great number of ways)? He may be brainwashed but your logic suggests you are brain-dead to me.

Unfortunately, you kept typing. Dundee and Motherwell didn't go into administration during a global recession previously and sponsors and broadcasters weren't threatening to pull the plug on our game because the Old Firm (THE main, and probably only, attraction for these companies to invest in our leagues) fixtures are no longer going to be there either. Do you believe that people will line up to buy these clubs once they are in administration and pump fresh money into what effectively would be a black hole? There will be no money to be made and these people are businessmen looking for a profit rather than a plaything. Rangers (although we obviously have additional unresolved issues these other clubs wouldn't have) are a clear example that Scottish football is no longer attractive to these people. Almost all of them (if they did enter administration) WOULD end up liquidated in my opinion. Furthermore, who would then be willing to give Scottish teams credit even for the morning rolls let alone banks providing overdraft facilities to keep clubs paying wages on time as the monthly incomes vary ( Dunfermline this year for example) per club depending on the number of home games.

Whilst all of this is going on what happens to our national co-efficient, the overall standard and attractiveness of the league for the fans in terms of the quality of players and the wages on offer (tying into another post on this thread re Norway and Turkey - given a mid-table Turkish side no-one had heard of before could give Boyd the wages they did), or the chances of it recovering any credibility at all within the next decade?

The only points I can agree with are the fact that Rangers SHOULD be in Division 3 and the LOWER leagues would receive a short term financial boost which would keep them ticking over for a good number of years if they spent it wisely. One last question: If, as you say, a lot of clubs enter administration in the coming seasons (with the distinct possibility of liquidation), how many lower league clubs could currently meet the entry requirements for the SPL in order to replace them and how many would actually want to? This mess is just going to get bigger and bigger and we, as a footballing country, are going to suffer for DECADES to come. By the time the youth are at a decent enough level to compete our standing will be no better than the 'minnows' in the lowest pots that, lets face it, we struggle to beat just now anyway. It would/will be a long, long way back.

Shall I plug you back into the original Matrix now so you can enjoy your supposed utopia or do you want to come and see how grim Zion looks?

Brian

Good to see you have your sense of humour back ED.

hoopey67

The rest survived when you were getting crowds of less than 10,000 turning up at Ibrox during the 80's pre Murray/Souness.In fact Scottish Football was in a much better state then than it is presently. {Ed039's Note - Thats when football was about 22 men on the field and players didnt care about money I'm afraid that doesnt exist anymore)

12 Jul 2012 15:35:40
The Board of Clyde Football Club has received the papers in advance of tomorrows SFL meeting and will consider the Heads of Terms supplied. We continue to have the same fundamental concerns about this process, however the overriding concern is a point which we have made to the SFL.

We have received absolutely no information on the organisation Sevco Scotland Ltd whom we are being asked, and encouraged, to vote straight into the top division of the SFL under resolution 2 and possibly into SFL 3 under Resolution 1. We have no business plan, list of directors, details of ownership, statement of capital adequacy or any proposals relating to the provision of any similar information in the near future. David Longmuir has clearly stated that he will distribute all the information he has got or is able to distribute.

Whilst the notion that there is a leap of faith to be taken in terms of some of the matters, there can be no leap of faith with something as fundamental as knowing who is being admitted to the league. The very fact that there is no information of any kind being made available on this company undermines the authorities efforts to direct the new entrant to SFL 1. It is actually impossible for any member of the SFL to make an objective assessment of the proposals under Resolutions 1 and 2 and could be seen as irresponsible to support either proposal in such a void of information.

It is our hope that some credibility can be introduced to this process and we would ask that whoever holds information on Sevco Scotland Ltd provides a full and detailed pack to David Longmuir in order that even at the eleventh hour the SFL clubs are given reason to support any Resolutions that they might wish to vote on. We have to assume that the SFA and SPL hold such information otherwise they would not press so heavily for entry to SFL 1.

If a leap of faith is to be taken, then in the current circumstances it will be taken blindly and the only logical outcome of taking that kind of risk would be to enter them to SFL 3, where, should any subsequent issues arise they will be contained within the lowest league rather than disrupting the top flight of the SFL.

The other matter that is entirely outside the gift of the SFL is the need for the SPL clubs to confirm that contrary to what Neil Doncaster stated on their behalf, the SPL will meet its obligations to the SFL under the Settlement Agreement.

Seems a fair statement. It does point to NewCo having no league to play in next year thought :-(

Lot`s of Tom Kite doing the rounds atm.
If I told you guys that I had a certainty running on Saturday at the horses would you believe me?

Clyde want all information on sevco, Bomber wants all information on sevco but cant get it, Bomber worked for Clyde recently. 1+1=. Sorry it was too much of a coincidence not to mention. Not saying Bomber still has friends at Clyde, but with this soap opera who knows. basket-case.

12 Jul 2012 14:50:34
{Ed052's Note - Condolences to the family of Joe Mcbride. R.I.P Joe

Cheers ED052 and all decent bears, Joe McBride was one of the gentlemen of our sport. RIP Joe..... Timalloy

Totally agree - even as a Rangers fan you can recognise a legend when you see one and Joe certainly was a legend. Condolences to his family, Football has lost a good man.

How and why on earth can 5 people disagree with an Ed's note of condolence? this is a sad sad time for Joe McBrides family. R.I.P Joe
frankiebhoy {Ed052's Note - never mind them mate. Just total scum

How can any person disagree with this.Will Scotland ever be free of this hatred and bigotry.
Tam

Respect to rangers fans giving respect to joe mcbride ,true supporters and best of luck in these troubled times,think as Celtic fan I will miss old firm games and banter in work and pubs..I now you have many honest supporters like our selfs...but the shame of people who disagree to the above post have no place in football wether that be Celtic park or ibrox

What kind of a country we live in when 5PEOPLE disagree about your remarks about the late joe mc bride thanks ed for your remarks {Ed052's Note - the man was and always be a celtic and football legend

Those disagreeing are pathetic as a gers fan of many years I am aware of the kindness of Joe Mcbride to many people you folks are an embarrassment to the club

R.I.P Joe McBride, great player, great man...

Shame on all you who hit the disagree button hold your heads in shame and grow up and get a life R.I.P joe from all the sane rangers fans

Discussing hitting the disagree button that's why no other club want or likes use... RI.P JOE
urn family will never walk alone

So 5 people have made your mind up that we are all bigoted, careless scum, get real mate.
R.I.P Joe McBride

Tried to post regarding this but it never got put up try again how and why would five people diagree with this post hang your heads in shame you lot you make me sick i as a rangers fan would like to pass on my condolences to the Mcbride family R.I.P Joe ;;; cooperboy

How do you know its Rangers fans who disagree any clown can press a buuton and by the spelling on here theres planty of them {Ed052's Note - It could be anyone mate, you said it (clowns)

Celtic fan. Always glad to see good football fans. (5 disagree) We've got our own share of wee w*nkers as well. RIP Joe. Hail Hail. And to all the good Gers. Best of luck!! I won't hold the NewCo against you for too long. Bet the wee w*nkers will.

Shug

The guy who posted saying no other club wants us you are as bad as the guys who hit the disagree button read the posts the rangers fan are enraged by those guys but you have condemed us all to you and the clowns who hit that button drag yourselfs into the 21st century and join the human race ;;;;; cooperboy

Condolences to mr mcbrides family from a ger sorry to hear the news

Are those who disagree really Gers fans? Im sure anyone can press the button n God knows there is enough people who want to cause us as much trouble as possible and another thing there is more Selik and all the fans they have goaded into hating us on here than Gers fans. So what is stopping any of those diddys hitting the disagree button to rake up more sh%te! {Ed052's Note - could be anyone mate.Just people being total clowns mate.

12 Jul 2012 13:34:17
Dumbarton deny they have decided to vote newco Rangers into First Division. Projected vote now stands at 17-1 for Div 3 (STV)

11 clubs still to give an indication, appears clear cut.

Still to declare: Albion Rovers, Alloa Athletic, Brechin City, Dumbarton, East Stirlingshire, Forfar Athletic, Hamilton, Montrose, Queen of the South, Queen's Park

Div-3 bekons. Div-3 season ticket prices too I hope. I personally would only pay on a game by game basis now and I'm very unlikely to go to many games.

And the 1 is contingent on restructuting. Looking more like a whitewash, unless Regan has more ticks up his sleeve.

Div 3 Div ticket prices, game by game, so much for not walking away.What happened to WE ARE THE PEOPLE.Seem's it s only the tim's that back their team
tam

Div 3 season ticket means more money to spend on pies.

Looking from the outside. Scotland is run by little people making big desicions that will cripple your economy. Total self indulgance. A financial and points penalty would have sorted your League better.

"A financial and points penalty would have sorted your League better."
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Too much hatred and resentment for that I'm afraid, they voted in the interests of Sporting Integrity then went on to make a complete mockery of that by blackmailing SFL chairmen into voting for division 1, total and utter hypocrisy by the chairmen of the SFL clubs.

3rd division please, our club will survive not so sure about many others... good luck.

One other point, if Rangers no longer exist, why is the obsession still so string in so many?

What are you guys going on about. Bomber has already told you all that it's a done deal for Rangers in SFL Div 1. LOL

STV understands Brechin City will vote yes to Rangers in Division One because they agree with reconstruction proposals 17 - 2

Tims that bag their team tam? I take it you forgot the mass exodus from the celtic fams when mowbary was manager?

I do love the statement "our club will survive not sure about many others". Your club hast not survived, it's gone and replaced by another company. Under your logic how will every other club not survive in one form or another.

If rangers pander to the corruption (by starting next season in div 1), I, for one, genuinely wouldn't be back. "Sporting integrity" as all the armchair scottish football fans put it, would mean we end up in div 3 and start again. What if we went to div 1 and our depleted squad meant we couldn't manage promotion for 3 or 4 seasons anyway? Oh, thats right... The SFA are drawing up a revamp of the Scottish Leagues so that 3 teams from Div 1 get promoted for the next two seasons, Rangers can surely manage a top 3 finish? Farcical!

Tims dont do walking away, make laugh, their atendances at start of the 1990' were poor to say the least, (Note Before EBT's). Only a f##King fool would part with money to Mr Compo Green and his slimy gang!!

Tam you must be having a laugh, the san giro was empty last season use had all gave up until we blew our lead , short memorys from the "self proclaimed greatest fans in the world " and yer right bi man we are the people and always will be

"Div-3 bekons. Div-3 season ticket prices too I hope. I personally would only pay on a game by game basis now and I'm very unlikely to go to many games."
You must have missed Ally say "We (RFC - in Liquidation) don't do walking away." Think this was not that long after blowing a 15-point lead (which has been conveniently forgotten by the masses (can I use that word on here?)). That line is right up there with "For every fiver Celtic spend we will spend a tenner," which actually should have been "For every fiver Celtic spend we will BORROW a tenner, and we'll pay it back at 1p in the £."

12 Jul 2012 12:45:09
Where is all the money going now?

I mean if I went into the rangers megastore and bought something, does the money go to newco? oldco? JJB? Dick Advocaat? Celtic?

What about the deals regarding the catering?

Anyone have a clue?

Nobody knows, or has done for decades. That's the issue.

No idea mate, im pretty confused aswell. I'd assume though, that the merchandising etc was part of the 5.5 million that Charles Green bought all assets etc for. I'd guess Rangers megastore profits go to charles greens newco.

Absolutely nothing is owned by Rangers. But some guys are still making profits.
Where's the £750k currently in the fighting fund? Paying for buffet lunches?

Certainly aint newco. They have no deals in place, no strip. Nothing.

All oldco licensing/outsourcing deals were terminated by D&P, similar to the Ticketus season ticket contract for next few seasons. Up to SEVCO to renegotiate new deals where possible.

It will go to whoever owns the retailer. Which might be a franchise or it might be connected to Rangers old or new.

OK, I don't know.

I wouldnt be so sure... jjb bought the rights to rangers football club brand name if sevco want to use that name they might need permission off jjb rather that renegotiate a new deal

Whats the deal with all the sponsorship deals etc? not to jump the gun and assume we're guaranteed to be playing at all in the coming season, but doesn't a new badge/strip/sponsors need to be created since we are now a 'newco' and no longer rfc? for every strip bought i have no clue where that money goes, and thats worrying!

I know a girl that works in the superstore. the money goes to JJB. The staff STILL dont know if they are being kept on once liquidation kicks in.

12 Jul 2012 11:28:39
"Arbroath say newco Rangers must go into Div 3. That makes it 15-2 in projected votes of SFL clubs at Friday's meeting according to STV"

That means the majority required for D3 will be reached and only the SFL board intervening and overruling the clubs will prevent us playing in D3 next season.

I'll just be pleased to see football at Ibrox in any division at the moment. After all at this moment in time, we have no licence, not enough players to make up a squad and a tribunal waiting to possibly suspend us for a season - and a big thank you to the RFF for wasting supporters money on that challenge to the transfer embargo. Give yourselves a pat on the back for that one lads because if we are suspended you'll be receiving your fair share of the blame for it!

Oh and not forgetting the fact that in a few weeks BDO might be reversing the sale of the club to the Green consortium and other issues.

So I for one will happily go and watch us take on the likes of Peterhead or Elgin and just be glad we are still in existence.

Good. I think we could all do with a break from each other for a while.
Sorry to hear about pasing of Joe McBride RIP.
A blue bear

Elgin City say they will vote for Rangers to go into Division Three. Projected votes now 16-2 for Rangers in Div 3.

The Rangers will play in SFL1 this season no matter what the diddy clubs say tomorrow. Trust the SFA to do the right thing ;-)

But you (i take it you mean rangers) are not in excistance anymore Rangers are dead anyone saying that they are not is speaking nonsense because newco or sevco or whatever are NOT rangers

Careful of calling teams diddy clubs remember yous could be a diddy club next season

Does it upset you that we are still rangeres despite being owned by a different company now? Aw sorry...

If 16 - 2 becomes 20+ - 2 then there won't be enough teams to form a breakwaway SPL2, so the D3 for next season will be guaranteed irrespective how p***** off the SFA and SPL might be.

Rangers won't be in SFL1 as things stand. But they may well be in SPL2 if Regan and Doncaster get their ways.

Interesting that these guys reckon there's time to set up SPL2. Every other proposal seems to need more than one season's notice.

Rangeres,that,s a great name for newco love it will catch on no prob,s garlar07

Not convinced NewCO FC wont be administration before long.

"But you (i take it you mean rangers) are not in excistance anymore Rangers are dead anyone saying that they are not is speaking nonsense because newco or sevco or whatever are NOT rangers"
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If they don't exist why do you feel the need to comment of their rumours page?

Now and forever obsessed!

It's now 16-2 with one abstention Ayr Utd and one not eligible, Dundee.

SPL2 it is then. The SFA will not allow us to drop any further than Division 1 so no need to worry. Dont listen to these obsessed Celtic fans

12 Jul 2012 09:49:42
In the name of sporting integrity & transparency will all SFL clubs be announcing their away ticket prices before they vote for which league Rangers Newco will be in?

The Pilot!

Yes. This would be a good one. Will Dundee United now be charging Celtic fans double to make up for losing our inflated ticket prices?

They'll be the same as the home tickets, its in the rules.

Dearer tickets due to behaviour issues,which needed extra police and stewards and because realy they didnt want you there.
Maybe now there will be no more sectarian songs to put up with and we may even become civilised enough to allow alcohol back into our grounds like most other countries.Trying to remember the catalyst that stopped this in first place,seem to recall horses and police charges ? maybe should had dear tickets at that time to stop all the so called "fans" putting the scottish football name in papers all over the world for the wrong reasons. Manchester people wondering if they maybe should have asked that ticket prices be trebled to allow for more police maybe for army involvment too ? (joke). Costs seem to go through roof when a certain team are rumoured to be coming wonder why? is it thier caring nature,their jovial fun laden songs, their matey banter, their family friendly songs, their all round goodpeople image.?? nope cant see that one ? wonder if the past will follow the future, i and many millions of fans across the globe hope not. No more bigotry etc ?lets hope.

In the interest of transparency, why don't you buy your season tickets now and see how many of the 40,000 season ticket holders from last season are willing to show their loyalty to the club this season coming....5,000? 10,000?

In the interest of transparency, lets see how many sell outs there are at SPL matches this season. Remember, all the SPL clubs expecting celtic's happy, family friendly, jovial, world renound away support on rememberance weekend may have a few empty seats... Well for the protest against the british war dead before the match atleast.

"5,000? 10,000?"

10000 would be a heroic effort!

In response to post four i was a coach driver who drove your so well behaved dundee utd fan over to rome in the old europian cup clah with roma the toilrt was ripped out of coach they fought with each other on coach and we had the police meet the coach in hull had to put them on a hired coach to get home as the company i drove for refused to take them any further so please get of your whiter than white horse every team has its problems not just the old firm as for songs yes i as a rangers fan would love to see these old songs put to bed but also the song that are sung about plane crashes the ibrox disaster the death of old firm players so again yes we have problems but dont give me its only yous lot not us and for the sake of sporting integrity div three for us

Well if the RFF step up is anything to go buy, would expect less than a 1,000.

90% wanted 3rd it will be interesting to see how many of that 90% renew their tickets demanding third then walking away would be the biggest joke of all time

Will Aberdeen fans stop singing about Ian Durrants leg while we are gone?
Will the green brigade allow the team to wear the poppy on remembrance day?
Small minorities ruin it for everyone and every club has them.

Lol at the poster saying how alcohol may be allowed back in and good behaviour may devlop. I think I remember one of the catalysts was actually Hugh Dallas gettin smashed in the head with coins because the tims couldn't handle getting beat.

In response to the driver of a bus of UTD fans heading to a European game in Roma, It must have been a "mini bus" as there were only around couple hundred of them there. As for whiter than white, did they not also get a big pay out from UEFA for their fans behaviour a few years later? Everyone knows that football clubs the world over have eleimintes of thugs supporting their clubs? and it is also noted that most clubs since the 80s since your going back that far have managed to !get their house!(not big) in order, especially unruly fans and bigots? unfortunatly the old Rangers right upto going "defunct", were getting fined for their fans behaviours? hopefully driver you are not one of them ? and hopefully when the NEWCO return they do not return with the unruly/bigoted element.

I'm not going to miss the 'we're whiter than white' arguments of the intellectually challenged.
This is largely where our problems lie in Scottish football, that has led us to this precipice. Too many idiots ready to put the boot in with no basis in reality or understanding of the consequence.

Doesn't really matter what side the bus was. Just please accept thugs exist within your fan base. They ripped out a toilet and had to be dealt with by the please. Please find some contrition in your reply poster.

Not going to miss what? reading that we had and will probably still have a number of complete and utter bigoted fools who will never change their behaviour no matter the consequences that would arise for our team.
The only idiots that i seem to keep appearing here are the ones that hid their heads in the sand and will "folllow follow" NEWCO not understanding or realising what consequences actually are? and it wasnt just Scottish Football that thought we were bigots anf thugs uefa fined us ? and do you recall all the media coverage after Manchester? get a grip.

Im a rangers fan to be honest no fans are perfect if came across a few idiots at ibrox in the past foootball should be football not about a king and his nephew squabbling over a throne ok some of the songs were bad times change move on i have loads of freinds who support celtic we have banter not hatred i always found it was fans from outside glasgow that caused the bother mouthing off you get idiots on both sides the new rangers songs are healthy im sorry what has happened to rangers and regret any bad feeling that has been caused we are just the fans didnt have a say hope the fans of other clubs will see our point time to move on time to build bridges i think

12 Jul 2012 03:44:37
RANGERS were last night told the vital vote on their SFL future is balanced on a knife-edge.

And it could be a WEEK before their fate is decided.
The 30 clubs meet tomorrow to decide if Gers are dumped into Division One or Three.
But Livingston chairman Gordon McDougall said: “It’s very close — it could go either way.”
SFL Board members including chief executive David Longmuir met at Hampden yesterday ahead of the vote.
A major enticement for SFL clubs to vote Gers into the First Division is a proposal for a 16-team SPL within three years.
But details of how that would be implemented remain sketchy and the clubs fear they could vote Gers in then see SPL clubs veto the restructure.
McDougall added: “David Longmuir is sending a document detailing the benefits to all the clubs and we will go from there.
“There will be comments on the 16-team SPL in the paper. Whether or not that will be enough to persuade people to allow Rangers into the First Division is up to the individual clubs.
“For me, nothing much has changed. I still favour the newco joining in the Third Division.
“That’s what their manager has said he wants and it’s quite clearly what their fans want.
“I’m not at all against certain aspects of league reconstruction. What I am against is Rangers being railroaded into the First Division with one issue piggy-backing on the other.”
Another SFL chairman said: “They’re offering us a 16-team SPL but the SPL clubs haven’t even been asked whether they would agree to it.
“Yet we’re supposed to vote Rangers into the First Division on the strength of this and then trust them to keep their promise.”
SFL clubs, who could land a seven-figure cash bonanza if Gers are parachuted into Division One, will be asked to consider Rangers’ application to join them tomorrow.
They will then consider whether they or the Board vote on which division to place Gers in.
But some clubs — headed by Clyde — aren’t happy with the wording of Longmuir’s resolutions.
That could lead to another delay in the vote —- just 15 days before the new season kicks off.
McDougall, who suggested Dundee and Dunfermline could play-off for the right to replace Gers in the SPL, warned: “This has gone on for far too long as it is. We need an answer because we’re all tired of it.”

Play-off!! Now they are really making up the rules as they go along. Surely there is a way of resolving who takes place of a team which cannot compete in the leage into which they were initially designated? If not, and nothing about the SPL and SFA seems to surprise me at the moment, what precedent is there elsewhere?

Just out of curiosity where is this seven figure cash bonanza coming from?

& what would it have been spent on if not for this?

The SFA/SPL board need to stand down. It seems to me they are not listening to what 90% of the fans want.

12 Jul 2012 01:46:29
Ok, how much more is there?
LEGAL stuff

HMRC voted down CVA, ensuring BDO as liquidator
HMRC will ask BDO to unearth wrong doing at Rangers using BDO fraud experts with a range of backgrounds in criminal investigation, forensic accounting and forensic computing
Whyte is being taken to court by Ticketus
Duff & P taking BBC to court for the scurrilous lies about them on Mark Daly's programme.
Duff & P taking Collyer Bristow to court
Duff & P being investigated by the Insolvency Practitioner Association over a conflict of interest
SFA panel reconvening to find an acceptable penalty greater than a one year ban on signing big boys
SFA requests all clubs to return a declaration from each chairman that they have complied "without qualification" with the terms of Article 12.3 in the last 10 years. It also sets a deadline of no later than Friday 6 April 2012, to notify the SFA of "any written agreement(s) falling within the scope of Article 12.3 which has/have not previously been lodged with the Scottish FA in the previous 10 years in respect of any current or former players"
Dave King claiming £20million from Rangers as he bought shares on the basis of misrepresentation by David Murray the majority shareholder at the time.
Dave King will mount a legal challenge to block any attempted transfer of Craig Whyte's 85% shareholding in Rangers to Charles Green.
Whyte taking the BBC to court for saying not nice things about him
Whyte suing the SFA for defamation claiming he is not a trustworthy person.
Rangers being investigated by the SPL for alleged undisclosed payments
Craig Whyte and Gary Withey being investigated by Strathclyde Police.
Strathclyde Police probing the purchase of Rangers, the club's subsequent financial management and alleged criminality following a preliminary examination of information passed to police by administrators.
HMRC taking a lead role in challenging Duff & P's fees and activity during the administration
SFA under threat from FIFA that if they don't hit Rangers very hard, Scottish football will be formally ostracised
The Big Tax Case lurks in the background, waiting
HMRC review statement by Sevco director that they bought assets worth £50million for £5.5million. Fraud squad notified.

as if that aint enough

Our Rangers players moving on to better paydays elsewhere for FREE
Green claiming he has 'ownership' of the Rangers players and they cannot move freely to new clubs
SFA refusing to approve transfer of Rangers players
Unfinished business from the BBC and Mark Daly to come
Green will let us know who is (really) involved in his consortium
Green confirmed he is a moneylender not an investor
Green names his price at £50million to 'walk away'
SFA avoiding any decisions, trying to bounce decisions elsewhere.

And most SFL teams deciding on league 1 or 3... but with 3 abstaining (ones that get promotion) it doesn't look good for div 1

how much more can i take?

Superb post - there's been that much going on I'd forgotten half of it :)

Agree the list is endless and when will we get a conclusion to all of this mess.players are leaving on a daily basis,and the transfer embargo is still on-going.
Will it be Div 1 or Div 3 and after Friday the big picture might be a bit clearer,but Charles Green will need massive amounts of cash to re-build the squad,and Bill Miller withdrew his offer as he might be left only with Ibrox,MUrray Park,and the Albion but only left with a very small playing squad.
Worrying times now and for the future

Yes, well constructed post that really captures the nightmare stuff so far and as you say, more to come...

If we look for a "silver lining" across the board here, perhaps we can hopr for :-

a cleaned-up, tighter run, generally better business model Rangers emerging

a fairer and improved SFA structure and more appropriate size league emerging

a lot of lessons learned across the board, not least for "Rangers"

perhaps more sign of quality youth players getting a chance again

and obviously as a by-product, everyone in the Scottish game has now acquired "sporting integrity" so the overall change will be transformational e.g. no more questioning referee decisions or faux appealing yellow & red cards; less diving / on the pitch antics; a more kindred spirit entering the game bot at boardroom level as well as on the pitch.

Or will sporting integrity be lost the minute Dundee and Dunfermline tear themselves apart fighting over a dog turd?

DD

Here's hoping

I think youll find their wont be as many dodgy referee decisions or players diving in spl now that rangers have gone

It'll probably get worse before it gets better...make that...ends.

"I think youll find their wont be as many dodgy referee decisions or players diving in spl now that rangers have gone" get a grip pal, your mob are the best at it and i dont even have to say what team you support, however your post should not have been put up due to the fact it has nothing really to do with the opening post. In reply to the post itself i agree that with all this going on, every other team will be doing their best not to be involved in anything dodgy as they now know they will be dealt with. Also it does pave the way for more scottish lads getting a chance and i for 1 am happy with that, at the end of the day we will just have to wait for the overall outcome and take it in our stride and hope it does not kill our game.

"I think youll find their wont be as many dodgy referee decisions or players diving in spl now that rangers have gone" ?? it was in reply to another reply if thats not allowed and shouldnt be put up then why are you replying to mine ?? and as for the kill our game let us SPL teams sort out the mess yous left yous go and sort out a new club to support after the mess you made of the last one i think the last people who should be giving advise on scottish football is a club who is being liquidated you made a mess out your own club dont interfere in our league

12 Jul 2012 00:56:07
Craig Beattie flying out to South Africa today, he's been offered a very good deal by Bidvest Wits, an old team of Richard Gough's.
He has declared his desire to play with Gers in any division, and has also told this to Coisty and initially to Mark Hately who started the ball rolling.....however Ally hasn't even bothered to get back to him .... i think the big guy would have done us a proper turn, and if he does go to S.A , then best of luck to him....remember..some of the so called ''Rangers men'' jumped ship as soon as they could, so fair play to big Beattie for declaring himself.