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12 Sep 2012 21:18:05
Why does everyone think Scotland are underachieving. As a football nation we are 4/5th rate. Gone are the days that Rangers players were the nucleus of the team backed up by some Celtic players and top class anglos. Accept the facts, that unless there is a radical change to the whole structure of the sfa, we will never be a nation again to stand against anybody, far less the english. As far as getting to any finals are concerned, forget it. The only player that would merit a jersey is McGregor and with support young Forrest. Think about Law, Baxter, Dalglish, Sounness, Henderson, Johnstone[J], Greig and Murdoch, to name just a few, before criticising this post.

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Try telling that to Ireland. One of the worst leagues in Europe, yet they still regularly qualify for Euros and World Cups.

The Scandanavian Leagues aren't exactly up there with the best in the world either.

There's no reason why we can't ever qualify for a major finals again, lack of ambition to think otherwise. This group of players are good enough, just poorly managed.

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I don't think I am alone in saying I couldn't care less about the Scotland team, until there is a clearout at the SFA I will not be giving my support, corrupt to the core.

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Rangers spent massive of foreign players, Celtic followed and old firm went on 10 year run of winning every cup - and making no headway in europe.

Diddie teams left with home grown talent who never win a cup, leauge - so kids get no experience, and we fade away as a nation.

Now most kids play FIFA12 - not wi a real baw! go figure.

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Also the likes of Snodgrass are English,the reality is they dont want to play for Scotland.

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Brilliant players that they were but how many World Cups and Euros did Greig, Baxter and Henderson play in?

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Most of the players mentioned played in an 18 plus team league playing each other twice a season which allowed fot player developement

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I do agree with some of what you have said, there is indeed a radical overhaul needed. But the overhaul really needs to be from the top-down. We don't need to be a 4th/5th rate National Football Team we really have to stop thinking that we are a 1st/2nd rate National Football Team. We all (myself included) went into the games against Serbia and Macedonian expecting us to stroll these games and take maximum points. Completely wrong mind-set that aside from in my mind a wrong choice in formation and line-up.
My choice would be to play a 5-3-2 (with 2 attacking full backs).

Also remember that we last performed at our best when we were in the qualifiers against Ukraine, France and Italy where in the majority of group games we were the underdogs. Change in mind-set might result in a change in fortunes.

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Couldn't have put it better myself. so many people including the media bang on about players like brown, adam, miller etc. they are extremely average players who are exposed against mediocre opposition like macedonia. what does it tell u about our nation when SMALL countries like serbia and macedonia have players who are technically better than ours. the above post is right other than young forrest and greegsy the rest of the team is shambolic(including our manager)

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Scotland hasn't got worse, it's just that other countries have got better. The game has moved on so much since Bremner etc. More about flair than strength.

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Perhaps am reading the last post wrong but Snodgrass isn't English lol.

TTG

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Snodgrass is a proper Scot is he no?!? Sure I saw one of these pathetic tabloid pieces about him going to a cinema to watch Scotland Brasil in '98 world cup opener, when he was at primary school.

Also, post above- "it's all old firm's fault signing foreigners.....Fifa 12"- utter tosh. Top quality foreign imports that enhance leagues and generate income and interest are no the issue. They should help improve standards and your domestic product. The problem was more the diddy teams packing their line-ups with third rate, cheap foreign imports post Bosman. If you're trying to tell me Rangers and Celtic have taken to the park against eleven brave, young Scots on the other side every time I think that's a bit of a history rewrite. There are many people complicit in just how bad the national team is at the moment. Our players are still over-rated and the current manager really hasnae a clue.

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I think Robert Snodgrass would have something to say about that ridiculous statement 4 posts down. I was born in york but my whole family is from glasgow, I would never play for england

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Snodgrass born an bred in the gallowgate

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To the guy who posted about the SFA being corrupt to the core.....make a well known saying out of these 3 words, pot,kettle,black.

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We don't have to think we're any rate of nation. We know in our hearts what we are. What we need is our team to go out and take each game as it comes. I'd rather see 100% effort from all to win a game than the dross we've seen so far. These players are good enough. They need to be managed properly. All the players you named had to start somewhere too.
Myself, I would play a 3-5-2 which provides great wingers, attacking football and defensive qualities. I really believe we have the players for that formation.
And to those who have their nose in the air and don't support Scotland any more....grow up! It's not our country or these players you're angry at!

Be proud Scots. Get out in numbers and support these guys!

Colin

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Colin

The players aren't good enough to qualify. Belgium, Croatia & Serbia have better players and will all finish above Scotland. Being realistic the best we could possibly hope for is 3rd place. this would allow us to remain 3rd seeds in the next euro draw and with any luck we will draw a weak second seed and have a chance at getting to the euros

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I apologise for the Snodgrass statement,i was misinformed.He is from Glasgow,born and bred.But you know what i mean about the non-Scottish.

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"corrupt to the core". So its only corrupt now that Rangers are not the recipients of their favour. Now you know how the fans of every other team in Scotland felt for decades when the SFA were a subsidiary of Rangers.
They are not corrupt, just being transparent at last. If they were corrupt I'm sure EBT beneficiary Campbell Ogilvie would be sweeping everything under the carpet.
Al

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Also the likes of snodgrass are english!! think your wrong there mate ... snodgrass is a gallowgate boy .. i used to hang around with his big bro... but yes scotland manager is a cock... so much talent and so little leadership ...

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Some great young scottish players ie rhys mcabe tony watt james forrest etc we just need good leadership i would go for wee strachan he would at least give it a go

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The guy who asked how many world cups did henderson and baxter etc play he needs to look a wee bit to history.1962 we finished joint top same pts same goal diff as czechoslovakia,we played them in a playoff on ntrel grnd belgium? we drew in 90 mins lost in extra time,the checks went all the way to the final losing to brazil in final.1966 we lost out to italy,john greig scoring a screamer at hampden 1 0 win.1970,lost to west germany muller,beckenbaur.Lost 3 2 in germany,with 10 men.We were serious contenders ,just a laughing stock now,

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SPL & SFA = corrupt to the core plain and simple, Liewell's puppets.

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In times gone past it was a honour to play for scotland not like today players pull out of the squad with a sneeze the guys like jim baxter and kenny dalglish danny mcgrain world class players played in the old div 1 in scotland in baxter was cocky danny mcgrain was the brains at the back kenny dalglish was sensational why are we not producing good players now with exception to greegsy and young james forrest something is going wrong is it the management or players are not skillfull enough or is our national staduim not big enough ps forgot about coops and wee johnstone

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Guys like baxter henderson johnstone dalglish murdoch gemmill cooper would be worth more than wayne rooney not a joke we are deffo going wrong somewhere i think we have to start believing we are good its so negative

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I'll say it again-SORRY for saying Robert Snodgrass is English,i was MISINFORMED.The point im trying to get across is we should have home grown players only in the squad.

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I totaly agree with the above posters when they say that the s.f.a are corrupt north ayrshire loyal w.a.t.p r.t.i.d

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"I don't think I am alone in saying I couldn't care less about the Scotland team, until there is a clearout at the SFA I will not be giving my support, corrupt to the core."

All i think is "Hi Pot, its kettle here, your black!!"

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So staring defeat in the face against a team some 40 or 50 places below us in the rankings at Hampden until eventually scraping a draw is not underachieveing. Apart from Belgium and Croatia theres nothing to choose between the rest of those teams so I feel personnally, to think we should be maximising home advantage is not unreasonable

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I think some of the posters are deluding themselves about great Scottish young talent - I certainly havent seen any that are better than the current Scotland squad - guys like McCabe, Watt, Russell, Goodwilllie, McKay Steven are unproven - they all even failed to qualify at U19, U21 etc so don't know what makes you think they can cut it at World Cup level - even Rhodes has only scored in 3rd Division English football - also as much as I dislike Levein's management and tactics and agree he deserves the criticism, I am appalled that the players are escaping most of it as their performances have been disgraceful

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1974 main nucleus of players English Leagues ie Buchan Mcqueen,Law,1978 nucleus of team English League ie, Mcqueen,Burns,Hartford,Rioch. 1982 nucleu of team from Aberdeen and Dunde United, plus English Leagues. 1986 nucleus of team Aberdeen,Dundee United,Celtic plus English, 1990 nucleus of team,Rangers,Aberdeen,others...1998 nucleus of team Celtic, English Leagues.
It looks like your statment is not backed by players figures of clubs at time. In fact since the timeafter 98 ,,and more old firm players became the norm ,,,,,,Scotland HAVE,NT QUALIFIED??

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Somebody mentions Scandinavian nations and Ireland, well most of the players they have in their squads play in England or other big European leagues. Levein seems to think this should apply to Scotland as well, if they play down south then they must be good enough - WRONG!

Scotland needs to totally overhaul its league system and promote competition throughout each league. The mentality of "he has to be up to the physical challenges of playing in Scotland" has to go - Can you imagine if Messi had been born Scottish? He'd have been dismissed without a seconds thought.

Scottish coaching is 20-30 years behind the likes of France, Spain, Italy and Germany and our facilities are light years behind Scandinavian countries. Scottish football got caught out and is now chasing shadows where as other countries keep going from strength to strength.

SFA/SPL et al do nothing but go for the cash from TV deals from a satellite broadcaster as that is all they can think about. If they concentrated on producing and improving talent then the leagues would be more competitive, the product on show would be better and the money would follow. Punters will pay for a product they deem worthy but the dross that is Scottish football aint worth paying for. The SFA will only take notice when the Tartan Army give up and refuse to pay any longer, you'll soon see them get rid of the likes of Levein when the coffers run dry.

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I wouldn't even know where to begin with some of the nonsense contained in the original post. I'd still be writing tomorrow.

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I dont agree with all of the original email, however the key point is that we just dont have the players. Some of the later posts are comedy classics. 3-5-2 or 5-3-2... Problem is we don't have one centre half worth 2bob. Did you see Webster?. OMG he has to be up there with the worst to get a cap. Berra... no much better and Gary beckenbuaer who can play anywhere he's so good...aye right! Full backs p#sh - do we have any? Midfield very very average -adam, snodgrass, morrison, brown...the list of mediocrity islong Forwards...well we only have one and shades has managed to lose him. We are miles away from competing. 3rd will be a miracle in the group! 4th will be a reasonable achievement. How can anyone think we have a decent squad? Open yer eyes people.

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I think we need a total rethink the above poster is right only 2 players in that squad are scotland international class greegsy and forrest it must be our coaching and bad management we seem to be getting worse

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Players tend to withdraw from the squad for little or no reason when you have a manager who can't inspire them. Levein just doesn't have it. I still think a good man manager could change this team's outlook and thus, their performances.
I'd consider Strachan or McLeish

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I would go for strachan or mcleish some of these players need motavated its been a poor show so far

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Good post.
Am old enough to remember Mexico 86 where we went to a World Cup and, for one reason or another, left behind Mo Johnston, Brian McClair, Ally McCoist, Kenny Dalglish & Alan Hansen! Changed days indeed!

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12 Sep 2012 21:06:23
It is about time someone got a grip of the so called Bears at the corner of the Broomloan Stand. I sit directly above them in the Club Deck and some of the chants coming from them are disgusting. How can we move forward when we have people in there. Most of them do not even watch the game looking at each other while jumping about like ninja turtles.

Ian

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Dont say they are like ninja turtles cause ninja turtles stand for justice and what right and not the songs they sing. Your own fans need to point them out so that they get what they deserve cause there is no place for that.

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How can we ever be taken seriously in Europe unless we stamp out the sectarian chants. We are a football team. Chants should be football chants.

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Report them to the Police. It's that simple.
Fan self policing is what's necessary. Once the area is identified, the police can check the cameras and identified the scum.

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The club deck is above the main stand, but you no that right

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No place for this at ibrox not now not ever,its bigots who bring us down the sooner we rid the place of them the better

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Why does the club not take action?.

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I was sitting one section away from them the other week and the worst thing I heard was "f the spl"! Yes, sometimes there's the odd naughty chant or song no doubt, it exemplifies ignorance and should be treated with disdain, and now in Salmonds Scotland we seek to criminalise ignorance eh!? In the main (and Ive been seated nearby them many times) its been Rangers songs supporting the team. They give it yee ha and try to up the atmosphere and get the rest of the crowd going which as a lot better than sitting on your backside rustling your sweetie papers! They also gotta do one of the best aerobics workouts I've ever seen ..... they must be knackered after the game! LB

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.....excuse me but i stand there and dont appreciate being called scum....I go, sing songs, watch the game and support 'our' team.... im sorry if use toffee nose ****s think going to a footy match is to sit and act like your in a library....and for your info the coppers are all over bf1.... so if its all the same with use....wind your bloody necks in..... BF1 Loyal!

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I am in the west enclosure and can say I have not heard anything controversial being sung, I actually think that the atmosphere from BF1 is a breath of fresh air, they give they game a cracking atmosphere singing from the start to the end, keep it up I say, watp

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BF1 Loyal
Exactly what all us decent fans are up against. Support your team without the other rubbish. What the hell has all the troubles in Ireland and anti-catholic rubbish got to do with football. FYI I'm a Catholic Rangers supporter and it offends me! I want to see my team winning and enjoy that not watch and listen to a bunch of bigots bringing us all down with them! drag yourself into the 21st century please!

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I am very pleased to see that a lot of the replies are positive, however BF1 makes the accusation of being called - the op did not say you were Scum, all the op is trying to do is make sure people do something before you club gets punished for something that can be controlled, surely this is no bad thing ?

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If you haven't heard banned chants comments singing you have selective hearing we hate Celtic f----n b------s is regularly sung this harms our club the union bears and blue order do enhance the atmosphere greatly please lads stick to supporting rangers not sectarian rubbish

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Have been at all games this season in the broomloan front. Am now 42 and have been going for 27 years. SOME of the songs been song are from our old song book and have no place at Ibrox. There are a lot of new songs which have no bad language in them and should become the back bone of our new songbook but the Police and club need to do more and stamp out the little bigotry that still exsists at our 140 year old club. The blue order and union bears are trying to get moved to the middle of the BF Im delighted to see our securities man David Martin has said no. WELL DONE.

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Hi first time poster but I have to say I sit in main stand front near bf1 and I think there great. I do not recall hearing anything too bad and as one of the other posters said the police are all over that area. Also I take my young son to the games and if I thought for one minute that there was sectarian chanting I wouldnt take him. Keep up the good work bf1

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Aw shut up man. It's the only lively bit of the stadium left. Why don't you go sit somewhere else!
Want our stadium to be dull and boring?
Snobs like you really annoy me

David Provan
From
Moodiesburn!

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Glad to see there are lots of loyal Rangers supporters trying to improve the image of our club support it can only help the club moving forward.
Bobby

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....the fact i'm using the internet would suggest im in the 21st century...! i have plenty of mates who are catholic Rangers fans and i can assure you i'm no bigot and dont sing songs about the troubles...some may, i'm not one of them along with many others in BF1.... all im saying is there is nothing wrong with stirring up a good atmosphere at ibrox, i've sat everywhere in the stadium and for me BF1 is the best.... if you would only look at the facts from the Rangers security officer you would see that there is more sectarian and bigotted trouble in other areas of Ibrox than in BF1..... lets not fall out here! We Are All Rangers & WATP....true?

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I think any self respecting fan with a modicum of decency would condemn these idiots. Let's not pretend we can't hear those vile prehistoric chants from that section they still go on, I personally heard them as recently as the Elgin City game both inside and outside the ground. I pay my money to watch Rangers not to listen to neandrathals chanting sectarian drivel.....grow up!

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Keep singing,chanting and dancing Broomloan Bears, you bring plenty of noise and colour to Ibrox.

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Good post. its time to stamp this out. surely to goodness they can find catchy tunes, with passionate lyrics, without resorting to some of the crap that is sung. when i was in manchester and crammed into some of the bats near the ground. i was amazed even though the game had started that half the folk in the had there backs to the screen, took no interest in the match, and just sung songs about religion, and celtic, when there was no reason to. we need to get rid of these type of fans, that have long besmirched our name,bring in more families etc

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As a Celtic supporter who does look in on the site to see what everybody is saying thinking- not obsessed and all that drivel. I have to say it is refreshing to hear so many rangers fans agree the sectarian song book must be put away for the club to move forward.
I do believe the organised singing corners at both ibrox and Celtic park add to the whole experience, and hopefully in a few years the ****e song sheets will be removed from both stadia once and for all

Jd

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RANGERS boss Ally McCoist says he can't wait to sample the Ibrox atmosphere again tonight “ especially the noise generated by the Blue Order and Union Bears.

Tickets are selling well for the League Cup meeting with Gordon Durie's East Fife “ and fans will be able to pay at the gate at the Copland Road end of the ground.
McCoist said: I'm just hoping the atmosphere in the stadium will be electric. I just hope the mad squad on the left hand side of the Broomloan are there.
I can guarantee that if they are there then there will be a great atmosphere.
I use the word ˜mad' as a term of endearment because they have helped the players and the club in the last three or four months of last season through difficult circumstances.

I think they created and generated an atmosphere which would have been difficult to get if they hadn't been there.
I'm looking forward to seeing them and I'm looking forward to seeing a big crowd

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Every week supporters in section BF1 are subjected to full body searches at turntyles, every flag and banner being filmed before being allowed entry, intimidation inside and outside the stadium from stewards and Police as well as being filmed for 90 minutes by the anti-football unit of the police whilst individuals inside the club give details of our members to Police to add to their intelligence database. All this for daring to turn up and support our team.

Recently, supporters in section BF1 have also been told by Police to hold their season ticket up to a camera and state their name and address. Mr Martin didn't see any issue with this and assumes it's all in the interest of pursuing criminal investigations. This is of course is absolute nonsense. As David Martin interestingly informed us this week, there is more arrests and evictions in other areas of the stadium on a match day than in Section BF1. It's blatant intimidation of football supporters.

Despite all of this, our aim of expanding the section remains the same. The vocal fan scene at Rangers is growing bigger with every game. More and more supporters want to stand up, sing, bounce and enjoy themselves at football matches all the while providing unstinting backing to the Rangers team on the pitch. Over the coming weeks we hope to have meetings with the various supporter groups, and hopefully plans can be formed for those on our waiting list to get involved next season.

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What a load of rubbish been to every home game and have not heard any sectarian signing well done union bears and blue order yous are doing a great job

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To be honest there is the odd nutjob who sing these songs it is improving i think hopefully this will die out soon at ibrox

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Aw shut up man. It's the only lively bit of the stadium left. Why don't you go sit somewhere else!
Want our stadium to be dull and boring?
Snobs like you really annoy me

David Provan
From
Moodiesburn!

well davy yes davy the best in the business! haha, (me thinks i should go now)

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All u "agrees" ur just jumpiNg on the anti sectarian bandwagon. There is v little of this frm this section. They r brilliant and we shud have more sections like this. Rangers fans stick together, stop suckin up the cack frm the press and those that hate us. Bf1 r a credit to Rangers. LB

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I've noticed very little of this from the BF1 crowd and Ive sat near them a few good times. Tbh, I wish we had more like them, the rest of the stadium could learn a thing or two about being vocal and actually supporting the team in this way. Heres a thought for the rest on here who sit elsewhere at Ibrox and are having a go; The louder you sing our 'accepted' songs, the more it would drown out what your claiming is being sung in BF1. So why not do that? Or would you rather sit n grumble in your seat?

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Clearly not a rangers fan as club decks not above bf1. a celtic fan stirring...

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Well that depends on where in the clubdeck you sit doesnt it. i can hear the septic mob sing their rubbish from where i sit in the clubdeck. time for us all to take a long hard look and show sfa and spl we are the future of scottish football being a model for the rest that will be far behind us to the point that any country will be using us as an example and want us to join them..

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To be honest i take my son to the games as the songs are getting better this isnt about point scoring they do it too etc its about showing pride and the love of our club and showing we are great fans some of these old songs are offensive both sets of fans have sung in the past they were wrong and still are lets show the world we are great fans and move on from religion in sport its old hat i love all the new rangers songs long may it continue

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