Rangers Rumours Archive February 16 2012

 

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16 Feb 2012 23:17:42
Why is alistair Johnston still trying to drag our club down with allegations against Whyte and the takeover.there are enough eyes and ears in the club now to find any wrong doings without that idiot bringing bad press upon our club.

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Bad press feck me lol

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Its been a sad week for the club ive never been so down about the current situation at rangers the fans have been led up the garden path by the previous board mr murray mr johnson we the fans have been let down where has all the money gone ? mr whyte has let us down badly this is an embarresment and a joke ive invested good money as a fan supporting the team throughout the years we owe tax we owe creditors we owe hearts dunfermiline and dundee utd money this is not the rangers way the club was founded on pride and dignity and sticking together in times of need we as rangers fans must try and and make sure we at least pay our debts to the taxman in watever way it turns out in the next few years pay the tax back in stages pay our creditors pay other clubs of what we owe which im sure will happen if we do it will give us pride and dignity to hold our heads high what would the founding fathers think of todays situation at ibrox its going to be tough for ally and the players and the people working at the club we must come out of this mess with fairness dignity and pride and future boards not to take us for mugs

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Don't agree. He is asking legitimate questions that many of us want to know the answers. Our PR can't get any lower than all the current speculation

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I totally agree no use in fighting not doing anybody any good hopefully the finiancial debt owed to hmrc will be paid back creditors paid other spl clubs paid staff pay for the 100s who work in ibrox they are the ones to suffer possible redundancies loss of players etc im sure the future will look better in a few years clear our debts and start afresh its been a very sad week as a fan of the club im sure we will come back a better and wiser club and reinstall a pride a passion a rangers value of dignity and fair play for all concerned for the future of the club i wish ally best wishes as it will be tough thanks ally

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Good point the club has always stood for being well run and had ethics of dignity and fairness prior to what others think lets stand together and prove this to the world we will pay our debts and come out an even better club good luck ally

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We as the rangers family must stick together but we need vital answers now

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A Johnson is not dragging the club down, its nothing to do with the club, he is questionning the takeover and he is right to do so since it cost him a good job for a club he loves, he has said from Day1 C Whyte was dodgy so we should actually listento him rather than slate him

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Their is nobody else doing anything about Whyte . Johnson did day at the time don't trust this man he was proved right . Do what you have to do alister johnson ... Kenny

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"Repay all debts no matter how long it takes"....a very sensible post at last. Repaying all debts due even if it takes years is the only correct action.The problems have not been caused by "supporters" who pay at the gate but nevertheless the "Club" which you support are responsible....so even if not your fault you have responsibility as supporters. ... Normal Companies under Company law can and do seek to act to get out of losses and debts and do that to their shame ( even if legal) leaving innocent parties due monies and people made redundant...but football clubs/insitutions such as Rangers ( or Celtic) are not "normal" Companies. Rangers of course will continue in their present form or emerge in some new form no matter the outcome. So if the new or continuing Rangers want credibility and people "believing" them in the future then paying off all debts( including whatever tax it turns out Rangers are due) no matter how long it takes (as many years as it takes), and as the existing club or a new club, is the only way honesty and credibility can be rebuilt from this mess. There is no other way if Rangers want others to respect their club club in the future....and even if that results in many years playing second fiddle ( or lower) in the football leagues...Honesty and credibility need to be more important to an honourable club such as Rangers than results on the football pitch....Had previous "owners" held to such principles then todays problems wouold not exist.
an excellant post when compared with all the nonsense which has been spilled to date from those who should know better including leading politicians. A leading politician actually inferring that all tax perhaps need not be paid due to the "importance " of Rangers in Scottish society...Any such politician should never be in authority over anything .

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I do not agree that Alistair Johnston is dragging our name through the mud, he is the only one that I can see trying to make sure the truth comes out. I hope that the cops put whyte in cuffs on Saturday afternoon.

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According to the press alastair johnston has handed over documentation (i'll avoid the term "dossier") to strathclyde police whyte's takeover and running of the club

thanks AJ

here's to a speedy conclusion and the right conclusion for rangers.

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Why do people keep saying it was the "club"
no one should have a problem dealing with rangers if an honest man is at the helms, the club is a brand which relies on support to try turn a profit this support was deceived and lied to by previous owners I'm pretty sure most people with a brain cell will know this! anyway hope someone with a good background takes over and turns the champions of scotlands fortunes around.

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Its tricky situation for future owners of the club but the club must move forward and try and pay back something through time might take years but shows the club is honest and fair been a nightmare week sorry state of affairs we becoming a joke god we dont know whos leaving yet playerwise im heartbroken for ally mcoist gutted is the word future directors take note new owners take note we rangers fans aint stupid

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Answers we need now we are being kept in the dark whats going on at least let us know after all we are the bread and butter of the club answers now mr white and mr murray discracefull pulling our name through the mud

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Will probally take months to found out whats been happening at ibrox us the fans sufferring shocking -discruntled bear

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Who just wants to see rangers playin football fed up already with all this hope we will get out of admin with a better reputation must stick together

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16 Feb 2012 23:16:14
SSN reporting that apparently £33m is missing from our accounts? BBC report it at £24m. This is very odd. Muzz

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Maybe sky are adding the £24 million tickeyus money and the £9 million PAYE money together = £33 million

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I would imagine they have included the 9m paye and vat another bit of creative accountacy probably from kerrydale, kerrydale and sons chartered accountants, have to say mark daly is a bit of a tit, last night his sums forgot the 18m to lloyds and to add insult he is in cahoots with a few Celtic bloggers. Biased comes to mind.

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Mark Daly and his two other pals at the BBC

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Real anwers please how much do we owe in total seen loads of figures dont know what to believe im totally confused

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Noone knows what is truly owed. the admin process is for the £9M. gers don't owe £24M to ticketus - this agreement is not linked to gers assets. what is owed now is £9M. down the line if HMRC win it could be £30M plus on top of teh £9M. but the cuts being made are also to ensure that the £45M per annum outlay versus the £35M per annum income is balanced i.e. a business should not run at a loss.

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Why let FACTS get in the way of a good story? ger1952

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16 Feb 2012 23:02:10
Three companies listed has ticketus.Since the money has been loaned out (24million) two of the companies have dissolved.Coincidence?

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Money wasnt loaned. It was used to purchase.

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16 Feb 2012 22:40:39
Strathclyde Police "examining information" regarding the ongoing situatuon at Rangers, no further details confirmed! Brayan Swansen SSN

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A company dissolved today in London called Ticketus65 coincidence or what?

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And that news is.....

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Its alistair johnstone who's asked for a criminal investigation against whytes takeover there lookin into if theres a fraud case or no n few other hings

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He stole our money should pay the price for that ..kenny

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GOOD !! Its about time the Police investigated the missing money and put any scumbag that robbed our club behind bars to meet some of our boys in the Bar-L.

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16 Feb 2012 22:29:01
More bad news strathclyde police handed dossier that will blow rangers apart .source my mates a copper blueger..

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What is the story then ? I also have a mate who is a copper, he tells me info all the time because the police love to tell you all about there very interesting top secret work. Was it PC plod you were talking to. Has SDM & CW been avoiding there parking tickets again.

CW wont be back,he is heading for that fantastic villa/ compound that osama was staying in

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..Details or stfu..

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So what's the story ?

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And he never said anymore about it.

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More p---s from timothy hohohohoho your mates a copper i right!!

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Honestly just you shut up!

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Please dont say fraud squad comin in can it get any worse

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Bears just been told it was on sky sports news, not seen it myself.

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Look at stv news it says that strathclyde police r investigating so give the guy a break watp

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Only bad news is for whyte its him there investigaten n his takeover

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All it says is that they are investigating whytes takeover on the request of a former chairman - calm down we don't do walking away

Dannager4life

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Fraud squad will never prove unlawful or negiglent trading, it is very difficult to prove Whyte traded for 9 months knowingingly insolvent. He took over a company that was running an operating loss of a million a month and more, he used the HMRC 9 million to offset the loss rather than put his own money in.

It is perfectly legal because he can argue they anticipated substantial funds from the transfer window and it diid not materialis. He called in the Administrators within 3 weeks of the window ending, try and prove he was lying, no chance.

I suspect 14 months due diligence meant Whyte knew about this operating loss and therefore planned the administration from the start, probably with the implicit knowledge of David Murray.

The New RFC will rise debt free and operating costs( wafes etc) reduced by a million per month. Only then will he consider investing in RFC, he realised putting his own money in a loss making company was financilly imprudent.

It may have taken him 6 months to realise he could not cut costs or raise loans with all the big tax case uncertainty.
The HMRC had indicated this would drag on for years and he called it a day.

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That you craigy?

hows the bandwidth in the cayman islands?

only kidding I agree with much of your assessment

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The Ticketus 24 million is not a RFC asset, it is secured purchase of future sales, it is secured because the tax case woulld bankrupt RFC and future ticket sales of a bankrupt company are worth zero. They are only worth 24 million if RFC is still trading, he will keep the 24 million out of the hands of HRMC and use this money to finance RFC.
Nobody else would Loan RFC money due uncertainty surrounding big tax case, Whyte can again justify the secured purchase agreement easily, a liquidator can not sell future sales of a bankrupt company and can not consider them an asset.

Whyte can legally use the 24 million to pay himself back the 18 million he put in, but it is likely he wll use the money to restructure RFC after a CVA is agreed and the debt is written off and the new operating costs are in place (redundancies).
The 24 million is only a RFC asset if Whyte owns RFC, he has protected it.


If it all pans out a deal with HMRC will be made to include big tax case and the uncertainty ends too.

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At last, someone with a bit of tactical nous. ger1952

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16 Feb 2012 21:39:31
I hope cousin is allow to sign,was looking foward to seeing a new face on Saturday,after the sad week we have had.does any 1 hav any more news on it?? And rangers r going nowhere,this is a great club and spl need us Celtic need us and all us fans need rangers.

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Read somewhere that the deals off,he is either registered with the spl and not the sfl or its the other way round,so essentially he hasnt signed and cant be signed now due to the embargo on the club also the administrators arent going to add another 7.5k wage to the outgoings when they are going to be getting rid of staff and players in the weeks to come.

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The players agent Willie McKay said on Radio Scotland today that they had worked it out for him to play! You heard anything like this ed?! {Ed001's Note - I really don't know what is happening, if all the paperwork was submitted in time there is no reason he can't play. But, if not, the administrators would need to approve the deal.}

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I hope he doesn't because his 7500 a week could be used to save 7 youngsters, give up the league this year and think of the clubs future.

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Look cousin is past his best is he worth 7.5k wages these days

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I hope he isn't allowed to sign. Why should he be allowed to when loads of staff at Ibrox from office workers to cleaners with families to support are more than likely going to lose their jobs? He doesn't care about the club which was more than evident when he was here before.

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Lets be very clear the SPL may be a bit diminished without rangers but Celtic do not need you. It is a terrible time for ordinary rangers fans you had no control over the actions of your board for years, but please stop trying to attach yourself to celtic's future to secure your own

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Spl needs rangers scottish football needs rangers celtic need rangers /rangers need celtic glasgow needs both for income and revenue

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Good post about the need for rangers, remmeber how quick both clubs were to try and leave spl for epl how many supporters of both clubs gave a thought for the other clubs eh none desperate to leave us behind now all of a sudden yous are in trouble we have to be gratefull you here dont think so mate

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Registered with SFA, not with SPL, whichmeans he can play in cup games but not league games haha

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I would love someone to explain to me why Celtic need Rangers. Is it for the 2 games a year at Celtic PArk, I am sure that we will manage to find another source of income to make up for that, probably European money would cover that quite easily. Dont beleive what the so called experts tell you,what does ALex Salmond know about Celtic and their finances. The people who matter are the hierarchy at Celtic and they have said on numerous occasions they dont need Rangers to survive. In fact I will be more upset if this "great institution" that everyone keeps talking about gets away with robbery becasue thats what this is. You are robbing form the other clubs in the league so your actions have a knock on potential of forcing them into administration. Pay your debts, not too much to ask is it. If you are such agreat institution raising £100million will be childs play. Ask all of the suppporters all over the world to donat £100 each, thats a start or what about the 250000 you took to manchester, £500 each pays all the bills and leaves you with some money for Ally to buy some more tripe. The Celtic fans did it for their club but you lot expect everyone else to be grateful you are still there as a club....pay up or go away...simples

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Why do we need Rangers? Can anybody please tell me? Celtics debt is being reduced, we are in full control of our future, as for the income of the two Rangers games that can be made up by playing two high profile friendlies each season.

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16 Feb 2012 21:11:49
Does anyone have any idea or rumour who the interested parties are looking to buy our club? Paul Murray is one who are the others?

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Rumours are paul murray david murray jim mccoll tom hunter

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Earlier there were rumors Tom Hunter and Jim McColl are Interested

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Ivh heard the same old faces mentioned dave king paul murray tom hunter dont think there much truth in that tho also mystery london buisness man too haha another mystery man well see id personally lay down £500 then

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Douglas Park & Jim McColl are 2

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Usual namesbeen branded about ie jim mccoll and tom hunter

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Considering DM actively tried to to punt you for 5 years and had to settle for giving it away for a quid idont think many folk will be battering down the door of castle grey skull
What a mob you sandheids are!
Hoodbhoy

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I think it's Jim McCall who is interested which would be magic if true. He is the real deal.

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The administrator said interested parties with no previous connection.......so to th DHIM that calls us sandheids..........we are coming to get you!!!!!

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Haha If Tom Hunter and Jim McColl bought us, it'd be quids in! lol
2 billionaires :-P

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Cheers guys thought those names would be mentioned just checking if their was an unknown like CW

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Previous message cont.... id be happy to lay down &500 to start then £250 every summer to keep the gers goin only need another 49999 now fans own the club has got to be way to go from here after last 2 owners times are tough tho ?

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Don't know how reliable it is but I've now heard from at least three different sources that the marlborough family are seriously considering making an offer as they are disgusted at what is happening to a club they once owned.

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The name i've been hearing is Joe Lewis !!
RichieRFC

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Michaei knighton

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MILAN MANDARIC . Its in todays sun newspaper

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Milan mandaric is one on tommorows papers
AndyBear98

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It would be lovley to be true if tom hunter and jim mccoll paired up we wud be barca in a few years lol (IT COULD BE POSSIBLE BOTH RANGERS MEN)
AndyBear98

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Jim McColl
Milan Mandaric
Joe Lewis
Tom Hunter
Paul Murray
Sir David Murray

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I love how dumb "Sellick" fans are, not only do they come and hang about on Gers sites, but they then spout pure p*sh like 'Castle Grayskull'......if they ever actually watched the programme that this refer's to, they will find that "In the series, it is the target of numerous attacks by Skeletor, Hordak and the Snake Men, (ie the bad guys!) all of whom believe that the secrets inside will allow them to conquer Eternia and become the titular Masters of the Universe"
in other words you uneducated moron's, go back to Snake mountain!! lol

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Very good lol

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Yes there is someone sitting waiting at the side line to take over the club and he sits in one of the stands at the club and he is very very rich

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16 Feb 2012 20:04:35
£24.4m Ticketus money did not go into Rangers bank account, but rather went to one of the two parent companies controled by Craig Whyte.

Danger is that the agreement was signed in Rangers name and Rangers are liable for the repayment, even though the funds were transfered to one of Whyte's companies.

I have no doubt this money was used to pay of the Lloyds debt of £18m.

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Ticketus have refused to comment on the Rangers season ticket deal, citing client confidentiality. They should be forced to say where the money has gone! this is the culbs money!! everything has to be out in the open now to see where we are at!!

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Celtic fan here, just flicking through our page and a fellow fan posted a link about the company Ticketus Sevices 65 Limited. They dissolved today.

This is the link: www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/ticketus-services-65

Ps. is this the company rangers owe money. Thanks

St Mikey

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I believe that the administrators said today that ticketus do not have secured debt against rangers

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Ticketus may be too embarrassed. Sounds like they may have just been swindled out of £24m. According to the BBC website, the administrators have said "Ticketus don't have security over the assets of the club".
Can't believe they lent this amount of money without some security ..... The question is what Whyte has secured the loan against ! And what he's done with money. If he didn't use it to pay off the Lloyds' debt ....could it be that the club's still liable for debt repayment of £18m on top of everything else ??

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Just been looking into that Ticketus dissolved report and it looks legit,several websites reporting they dissolved today.A lucky break?

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Ticketus services 65 limited dissolved on 11/10/2011
JB

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Probably just one of many Ticketus shelf cos. Could still be a solvent Ticketus co.

Anyone know who the Directors of Ticketus are ? Wouldn't surprise me if one Mr C Whyte was a Director !

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The Ticketus deal is a secure purchase agreement not a loan, you are not going to but advanced ticket sales of a company that may be liquidated by a big tax case in 10 weeks , you would have to be insane. The tickets only have a value if RFC is not liquidated.

White would have lost 18 million in 9 months if he did not do the Ticketus advanced purchase deal. He is not a preferred creditor, any sale of RFC would go to HMRC.

However he is entitled to keep the money if he is not the owner, its his money not RFC's, it is secured against assets and in this case the asset happens to be in cash.

Very clever this man

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I did a google search and there are several Ticketus company names, I found a Ticketus Services 12 and 54 also.

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16 Feb 2012 20:03:19
fellow bears, we will rise once again, and it may be sooner than we all first thought. this great, proud club is going nowhere, rest assured

james rfc 1980

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If you say it confidently enough then everyting will be ok. What do you base this confidence on?

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The wishful thinking on his part. James is one of the peeps who "quoted" pfffting administration and loving Mr Whyte. Now he's confident again because he takes little pieces of info out of different conversations. This enables him to come up with a paragraph that he likes. Still in denial James rfc 1980.....

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16 Feb 2012 19:41:26
The stadium is getting very close to a sell out for Saturday. Lets show our support for Ally and the players.

GovanFR

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@govanFR is it easier to phone the stadium first thing in morning mate? These websites keep rejecting my sign up application but I can see there's tickets available

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My bro and i will be there.
WATP
BR

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You are better phoning or going to the ticket office I went today and there were very little tickets left only really tickets left for club deck and main stand with restricted viewing.

JP

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Ye mate I would suggest phoning the ticket office early of if you aren't busy go to it. It would be great to get a full house, there are still seats in club deck and Broomloan rear.

GovanFR

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We travelled in numbers to chase success in Manchester! We should all be travelling for togetherness on Saturday ticket or no ticket let your voice be heard!!

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Let's give the players a good send off as half of them will be gone next week.

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I hope so, i'll be supporting them from my armchair due to the fact i live in Australia. Us bears down under will be right behind the team 100%. Get behind them. They need us

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16 Feb 2012 19:20:29
A big Thank-you to the Galatasaray
fans for their messages of
support.

This will not be forgotten.

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When was this?

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A big thank you Galatasaray,from all the Rangers fans

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Rangers media forum.

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What was the message ?

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What happened?

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Seen the messages. Just superb from the galatasary fans brought a tear to my eye.

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There fans have posted a lot of messages on there forum wishing us well, one of there posts was "if you play in the street, we will support you from the sidewalk". Think it goes back to when souness stuck the Gala flag in the centre circle.
pennyboy

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Can somebody post a link please

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Here is the link mate:

www.gscimbom.com/forum/gscimbom-cafe/100420-rangers-fc-resmi-gecmis-olsun-basligi.html

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16 Feb 2012 19:05:02
Craig whyte is not to face criminal charges over the PAYE and VAT

ryanrfc

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But he will face criminal convictions if the HMRC can prove he has acted fraudulently. Embezzlement, charlatanism, and False billing all forms of fraud.
Fraud: means to intentionally deceive for personal gains!
Ring any bells guys? I don't think we've heard everything yet. The screw is hopefully tightening on Whyte

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16 Feb 2012 18:52:24
the money from ticketus went through whytes company wavetower - begs the question did it fund the takeover or is he milking us

ryanrfc

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Just hope jim mccoll and tom hunter are part of the consortium who aim to make our club great once again!
WATP

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One good thing about the Ticketus deal is that Rangers do not owe Ticketus the money, Craig Whytes company does

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Rangers are most likely to owe the money to Ticketus. Whyte will have made sure that the deal was signed in Rangers name, but the money deposited to his own company account. Rangers will still be responsible for repayment.

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Not if the HMRC can prove he has done this as this would probably constitute fraud i.e. intentional deception for personal gain!?

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Il be suprised if hes left himself open clever clever man i hope this is all one big plan to fk hmrc they deserve it

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16 Feb 2012 18:50:06
Interesting watching the media conference this afternoon. Good to hear that if a CVA can be arranged it will cover the big tax case also. They also stressed that the case has not been lost yet. Any prospective buyers put off by the "elephant" before will surely see it as a less risky proposition if an agreement can be reached? Lets hope this is the beginning of solutions rather than problems. Good luck to the boys this weekend. CheltBlue

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I am feeling strangely upbeat for some reason, starting to think we will come through this stronger, I know there is a long way to go and more tough times ahead but as big Marv said "keep believing".

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By including the Big Tax case in this administration gives more power to HMRC to reject a CVA in which case Rangers go into liquidation.

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HMRC need to enter into a CVA and media reports suggest if they don't win the big tax case then HMRC will not do so. If that happens then it will be RFC (in administration) to RFC in liquidation.

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If hmrc does not win the case then rangers don't owe anymore than they already do. So what's the reason for liquidation..... None

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...Some of these bhoys on here are getting a wee bit nervous about The Rangers situation..hopeing and praying for liquidation...well here is some news for you..its not going to happen! you heard it here first..get your head out of the sand bhoys we,re comming to get yees..ha ha.

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Liquidation will happen. Ostrich

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16 Feb 2012 18:31:24
Can you boys confirm if there's gonna be a meeting of the people (ticket or not) before kick off on Saturday - long distance to travel an need to no if it's for real?

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If you don't have a ticket and if there are some available then don't turn up. Its no longer about protesting against Whyte. We are moving on to get the club back on the right path. That means filling the stadium and getting behind the team, not holding candle lit vigils outside!
The King is dead, long live the King.
GCUK

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Yes theres a meeting .. the boys are all meeting at GLASWEIGEN PUB at 1pm and all walking along paisley road west with banners protesting about WHYTE . everyone come along ..

there is another one from some primary school cant remember where ..

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Don't know mate ask question to ed he will reply sorry can't help ...kenny

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If u have a ticket be in ur seat by 2 thts wat ive heard to sing songs banners etc

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Its for lorne streer primary, beside the orange halls in kinning park! WATP

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We are meeting at firhill to watch our new team.

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It's at Glasgow central mate were walking to ibrox banners and stuff also few buskers with try to raise some finds for our stricken club watp!!!

12 o'clock meet

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I'm off the train from York at Glasgow Central 12.13, hopefully get to set off with you WATP

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16 Feb 2012 18:26:59
A LEADING insolvency lawyer has suggested Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC) may be able to go after Craig Whyte personally for any unpaid taxes.

John Carruthers, a solicitor advocate who specialises in commercial litigation and insolvency, believes the Rangers chairman could be pursued for “wrongful or negligent trading”.

www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/rangers_hmrc_could_pursue_craig_whyte_personally_for_club_s_unpaid_tax_1_2118938?

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Mr Carruthers said: “If HMRC can show that Rangers were effectively using taxpayers money to fund the day-to-day running of the club, when there was little realistic hope of Rangers trading its way out of its financial difficulties, then they can seek an order from the court that the directors have been involved in wrongful or negligent trading under the Insolvency Act and ask for a contribution from the directors towards the company debts


Whyte could avoid any claims of negiglent trading by using the transfer window as forecasted income. Anticipated transfer revenue did not materialise and he called in the administrator as legally required.

No case to answer for, the HMRC would lose their case.

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Would fully support HMRC going after that snake Whyte and also David Murray, who should hang his head in shame if the BIG TAX case goes against the club

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Show me 10 lawyers, and I'll show you 10 DIFFERENT VIEWS ger1952

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16 Feb 2012 18:24:51
i know we are all worried about the future of the club but there has still been no answers as to were all the money is e.g the 24mil from ticitus and 5 from the sell of jelavic any1 agree
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I agree. but the dmin guys have been there just over 48 hours.. stuff like that will take a bit of time to find out,

hopefully it will become in next few days,

at least the admin guy are speak to the public which is more than whyte has done,

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Thats the worrying thing mate, we may never know. My guess is Monaco somewhere until he gets bought out of Rangers. Not a bad profit for under a years work?

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According to administratators jelly money in accounts. Ticket money still to be traced.

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Aye but the jelly money is owed to rapid!!!!!

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You've clearly not listened to what the administrators have said. The £24.4m Ticketus money has been paid into one of Whyte's companies (parent companies) bank accounts and the Jelevic deal is being paid in installments, with the initail payment having been made into Ranger's bank account.

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Ticketus money is in whytes personal account so the the tax man cant touch it, this will be transfered to rangers when a CVA has been agreed

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16 Feb 2012 18:23:03
darrell king on clyde 1 tonight saying that he expects financial services authorities will look into craig whytes takeover and more revelations to be revealed in next 24hrs with regards to craig whytes aquisition of rangers. he also says that he fully expects the club to be taken off of craig whyte.

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Where would that leave us now. hope he has hid that money somewhere and wud be made accountable for debt

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He also said More will be made public over the next couple of days that will be bad

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Darrle king is a complete knob end, everything that guy says has the intention to stir trouble, dont believe everthing

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Ur the knob, darrell knows more than most about whats going on at ibrox and i know personally that he gets on well with people inside rangers. i have met him on many ocassions and he's a good guy not to mention a good rangers man. so please stop with all the juvenile name calling!

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Problem lies with sdm . Who sells a club for a pound and gets away scot free thats where the investigation eventually must lead

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Well if Darell knows so much, then he should know that the FSA can NOT investigate, unless he has fiddled a pension. ger1952

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16 Feb 2012 18:22:14
We basically wouldn't be in administration if it wasn't for Craig whyte. We are only in admin because whyte didn't pay payer tax of 9 million which sdm obviously did. I know sdm played his part and we are short of money but if we win the big tax then we could have been ok. Things have got worse under whyte but at least the administrators said the we will not go into liquidation

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In their opinion just now?? wait till they dig further. famous marble will be sold to a scrappy and replaced with cheap laminate from floors 2 go

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Did you watch the press conference? We were losing money every month. Frankly the minute we failed to qualify for the champions league we were goosed. With the loss of this revenue and them and the uncertainty of the big tax case no one was going to invest money in the club.

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Think about it if RFC (In Administration) win the big tax case "we could be ok". So why is the club in administration? because Whyte is obviously not confident of winning the case.

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Come on guys... The problem lies with sdm. Craig whyte is a patsy

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16 Feb 2012 18:21:00
Get on to this...breaking stuff


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Greegsy, Davo sacked half an hr ago, first of many, discrace!!! Shame on u

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Don't be absurd! Davo and Greegsy are two of our few players with ant real sell on value. There is no way they would be sacked.

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Doubt that. as the admin guys said no decision on staff lay offs until next week.

if it was going to happen today it would have happened this morning, at the staff meeting surely...

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Plus forgot to add to previous post that was posted 9 hours ago,

before the press conference, no way could high profile players like that be sacked and not make the news

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Dont post crap administraters said it will be next week b4 they decide on staff you muppet

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Is that the same kris boyd or is it one off the we are all Neil lemons at the p***.sados.

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Also, if you read the timeline of his Twitter account, you'll see him talking about signing for Celtic as if it was a done deal. I dare say it's a load of baws.

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@therealkrisboyd is not boydy - this is the same guy that said he was joining septic

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Crap Boyd hasnt posted since 2009 get a grip

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Get a grip of yourself if your going to make things up at least get the spelling right you muppet

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A TIM with an I phone and a twitter account ger1952

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16 Feb 2012 18:08:42
After been shot down as a rumour, it turns out Jim McColl is one of the interested parties in buying Glasgow Rangers. That distinguished admin member from Rangers media was right all along. Rangers will be under new ownership by Jim McColl before March 31st.

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March 1st! get real mate, we'll still be in administration and even a man of mccolls wealth will not take over if the first thing he would have to do is pay a possilbe 75 million, The administrators have been very clever as they know if a buyer can be sought that has good investment backing the HMRC are more likely to want to cut a deal with us.

The no1 scenario would be;

Rangers get a CVA and are able to negotiate with the HMRC

Jim McColl or another party buy the club and we exit administration before march 31st (allowing us to play in europe next season)

We salvage the rest of our season come second.

30million plus gets invested in the playing squad that is badly needed in the summer

Whyte gets put in jail for 10 years for tax evation.

Rangers with our new players get threw three tough qualifiers and qualify for the champions league

another 10million is invested in the playing squad in january

We come third in our champions league group and flal into europa league

We win the europa league

Finish 35 points ahead of celtic whos default title if all they can talk about

We are back bigger and stronger back in europe, good players big financial backing

OH YES IT WILL HAPPEN

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Please let this be true, would be good, watp

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Only after a CVA is agreed, no CVA no new owner

hope McColl is interested tho

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You are still delusional, HMRC will bury you. There will be no massive spending in the squad thats what got you into this situation in the first place.

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'HMRC Will bury you' haha you are going to eat your words big time, Rangers are the biggest club in the country and one of the biggest in europe we will always have the grip over celtic, yous can love it all yous want just now, but it must feel painful you can only topple us when we hit a financial wall.

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16 Feb 2012 18:07:05
There is nobody I would rather have in charge of my club at this point in time than Ally McCoist. His love for the club and commitment to sticking with it when it would be easier to chuck in the towel shows what the words Rangers Legend actually mean. Rangers til I die.

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Totally agree. Ally will fight for the club. Feel sorry for him, his arms and legs have been tied behind his back all along.

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Ally is a legend. Ok signings in the forward areas not been great until Aluko but he's came in under some of the most difficult circumstances in the history of our great club. He carries himself with class, every Rangers fan should get behind him and the team this weekend.

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16 Feb 2012 17:47:13
Never posted b4 but just watched ally on rangers tv. Think he is over confident about things on the other side of administration. Does he know something we don't?

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Of course he does. He will have been briefed with things to come. He isn't leaving us anytime soon and it could be because he could have a bright future ahead of him!

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I would rather he was being positive rather than being negative and downhearted he is under so much pressure just now, its ashame hes dreamed of this job for decades and this is the worst time in the clubs history, out yourself in his shoes

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Don't get me wrong i'm glad he is too, don't think there is any1 better for the job right now. Just saying I don't think we're doomed like most commenters think on this page.

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16 Feb 2012 17:38:24
I didnt know Tom Hunter had tried to buy us twice and it was blocked by DM, mabey this is his chance??? guy is worth over a billion could give good investment into the squad is a rangers fan, anyone think he will make a move?

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According to the economy his wealth was slashed. Could affect him trying again.

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Tom Hunter isn't skint by any means but he has his own problems. He took a huge hit in the recession, I would highly doubt he will want involved.

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He is a business man so dont think he will do anything till finds out full extent of problems like anybody else

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He was a billionaire but got £250million wiped off due to recession.so hes ONLY worth £750million now so not sure if hes got the money to buy Rangers,haha

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16 Feb 2012 17:05:52
any truth that ranger DON'T own ibrox or murray park??? said at conference theyre owned by another company not in admin

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Utter jobies. graeme

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David Murray by any chance?

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That is correct.......Mr Whyte (who knew from day one he was going to take the Club into administration) will have been able to transfer ownership of Ibrox & Murray Park into a seperate entity......which means that neither Ibrox or Murray Park can be counted as assets to fund creditor claims........I am not a fan of Mr Whyte,....but hes not daft either.

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Would highly think this to be wrong. You can't just transfer ownership of assets. Could only be done via companies within the same group, which hasn't been done, administrators would have to disclose this. Rangers at the end of the day are a company, everyone has to remember this. Murray Park and Ibrox stadium are assets of the club, Rangers as a company own them, not Whyte. It is exactly same where Rangers debt is the companies, not Craig Whyte's. Everything can be checked via the land register of Scotland and Companies House.

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According to the administrators at today's press conference, they said that the Stadium and Murray Park were owned by Rangers, but that they may be protected in some way, but they weren't sure at this stage of the in's and out's. On tonight's BBC Sportsound the pundits on there seemed to think that they were an asset and could be used. I hope the latter ain't correct, as if they could be ring fenced then that would help in the dealing with HMRC, as they may settle if much less, as there ain't that much to go round.

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Does that also mean then, that unless Whyte is convicted of any wrong doing and allowed to continue in business, that he can do with Murray Park and Ibrox what he will? Makes you wonder why Ellis has reemerged on the scene? JB

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They are owned by rangers fc group ltd. Formerly wavetower owned and renamed by whyte

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16 Feb 2012 16:55:28
interested parties in buying rangers according to administrators bb.blue

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My god please let it be a Russian billionaire or an Arab sheik.


JBBEAR

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16 Feb 2012 16:52:32
Watched the feed of the administrators ,was pleased to hear ,that the clubs sponsors are happy to support the club,and there is interest from other interested parties,not currently connected to the club,heartening to hear in these dark times,lets get behind Ally and the lads.Forever Rangers

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The sponsors are happy tosupport our club bcos if they were to pull out the majority of glasgow would stop drinking tennants

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Ive been completely gutted to hear about rangers its a terrible shame i feel sorry for the players manager rangers have a great winning mentality and im rather angry to think that the previous board have endangered rangers future with reckless spending a club that have been going for a long time the previous board should be ashamed of themselves

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Possibly ,nice to hear that they have not deserted us.

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16 Feb 2012 16:40:22
Nacha Novo is officially Legia Warszawa Player !!

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We got more to worry about

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16 Feb 2012 16:32:27
Just watched the press confrence with the administrators. Obviously they werent going to say that much but from the questions that were asked and the answers that were given, I say Craig Whyte is a total crook. The administrators were also unable to answer that out of their findings so far, is there anything they need to report to the organised crime unit. I hope there is and we can get Craig Whyte locked up

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Well considering that the administrators are Craig Whytes bum chums then I doubt anyone will be going to jail.

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Unable to comment means exactly that unable to comment because they have not yet concluded their investigations.

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The administrators were appointed by CW and are known to him and he's been angling for administration all along... if there has been foul play on his part I don't see him being stupid enough to A. Place administrators at the club who would sell him out (grass on him) for whatever he may or may not have done and B. Leave footprints or traceable evidence of any underhand tactics. One thing I will say though mate is I agree with you that I think he's a crook with no care for Rangers and I would love someone to investigate him and his dealings both purchasing and running Rangers.

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And if we believe what we read, mr whyte will attend the kilmarnock game on saturday despite being told its safe to stay away. does this guy have a death wish or what.

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CW was not the man who offered the EBT's !!! SDM is still to be held accountable for his part in all of this. AGer63

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Ive read that whyte has not paid 9 mill last year when he took over the club something doesnt seem right to me i think its about time rangers had a new owner one that can take the club forward to acheive what this great club can do

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I am an irish celtic fan i watched bbc scotland documentary on craig whyte and i find it hard to believe that sir david murray and co could not have known whytes dodgy business history before they handed control to him for a pound if they were as concerned for the future of rangers as they make out i feel sorry for mcoist he is the dignity of that club right now

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What has he done witn 9mill tax money 5 mill for jelavic and 24 mill season ticket money bloody disgrace. has the administers the power to sell the club with out whytes consent

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Be careful what you wish for...Nivbear.

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16 Feb 2012 15:59:15
Ed can you or anyone else confirm if there's a meeting of fans on saturday (ticket or not) outside ibrox

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Yes there is at 1.30 on Lorne Street, next to Ibrox Primary school across from ibrox. Blue Order are arranging it. Everyone must attend, and we MUST have a fullhouse on Saturday ! We need to stand together and show WATP

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Meeting at 1.30 at lorne street opposite school then march to the stadium in march of support,bring banners..organised by the Blue Order.

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Are these posts true... If so I'm there all the way from up north

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Is this defo true? Am travelling from Coleraine in northern Ireland!

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16 Feb 2012 15:55:24
If Rangers do have to start again as a new company and a new name...then is it to daft to suggest we call our new name...GLASGOW Rangers...as our present and registered name is Rangers. Most people even Gers fans when talking about us refer to us as Glasgow Rangers anyway, so ... no change really.
What yous think? R/R

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Awrite mate, its not the naming that is bothering fans, its the loss of history. If we start a new club all of the trophies and 140 year history are right down the swanney.

We would still have a team to support however no matter what anyone says, the books will say that RFC will have folded and in your suggestion GRFC have started.

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Well what iv heard is the green brigade are buying up all the names so rangers cant call themselves anything along they lines dont no if its true but the last rumour was they have bought over 50. anyone else heard this

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We should call ourselves SUPER Rangers.
That would be awesome!

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Just shows you the mentality of the green brigade.

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Ive also heard about hem buying the name glasgow rangers, Govan rangers etc. My family is split between oldfirm im rangers side but my cousin (who supports them) was saying something along those lines

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Let's just call ourselves CHAMPIONS ger1952

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Ive heard most of these new rangers names have been snapped up i work in law company

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Fact names are going fast shame we cant use should be new rangers fc if worst happens

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Champions utd wud be fun

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16 Feb 2012 15:00:03
Heard a rumour that there is a possibility that Sky may allow us to reintroduce Beam-Back games to generate additional income for us. Who Would like to see this happening and would it be a worthwhile venture?

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Would be for sky! jumping into bed with murdoch eh...

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Sorry not going to happen. All away games already live on Sky and they were to allow this it would be hard to make any profits from this

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, there is not a chance in hell Sky will do this. The support have been drivel and non responsive. The only thing Sky are interested in is interviews outside the stadium.

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They were rubbish anyway the last time, it was too surreal being there and no one playing in front of you.

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16 Feb 2012 14:02:11
The SPL’s new live TV contract would come under threat if Rangers were to drop out of the top flight.

Scotland top flight announced a new five-year deal worth £80m with Sky and Espn last November and it is due to come into effect at the beginning of next season.

But it includes a clause which stipulates the participation of Celtic and Rangers in the SPL

From the Evening Times, Mr Liewell still think Celtic and Scottish football would survive? Anti-Rangers I think and your loud mouth comments coming back to bite you on the a**e

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TOTAL PI5H, there is nothing in the contract that states that the contract will be null and void if only one of the old firm are playing in the SPL.

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Don't kid yourself about the survival of Celtic without the Old firm generated TV money.

No TV will mean bigger crowds.

Desmond White spoke out about live TV in the 1980's, he said it would kill the game and empty stadiums, which is pretty much what has happened.

Before live TV when we had a bigger league. Scottish teams full of home bred Scottish players made their mark on Europe.

A TV blackout might see a resurgance in attendances!

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Amen brother. Lawwell deserves to be taken down a peg or two. Cant stand the guy and when he tries to disguise his hatred of Rangers it is laughable.

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At this moment you lot need Celtic more than they need you

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Dont kid yourselfs of course there is clause in sky contract about no old firm game you fool. how desperate do you sound! bottom line is no Rangers = no celtic, theirs no getting away from it! no matter how much you's wish it wasn't true it is,just like it would be if it was other way round so wake up and get a grip you play in a mickey mouse league with no money in it as it is, why would it be any better without the best team?

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Thats it, turn on Lawell, its all his fault. He needs to be taken down a peg or too laughing at Rangers. When?
What did you expect him to say when asked if Celtic could survive without Rangers?

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"From the Evening Times, Mr Liewell".

Is that not Mr shining Whyte?

You lot really are desperate turning on our chairman who has run our club like a well oiled machine while yours has put you to the jaws of extinction.....

Simply The Bust! GIRFUY

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It is quite evident that celtic WILL be affected financially if rangers bite the dust for good, if you think otherwise you are deluding yourself, however I do appreciate that the rangers haters might drown out true football fans who are interested in some form of competition albeit a two horse race.

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Lawell runs a PLC and has share holders to answer to. What did you expect him to say and/or do? If he says we are finished without Rangers what do you thinkwould happen to the share price?

I know its brain power beyond most of you to comprehend, but think about it?

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Mickey Mouse?? Is that the same person who has a Craig Whyte watch??

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The sky money is only worth 1 million a year to the old firm.make more from champions league qualifiers.so that would be no big deal.

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Their is no anti rangers just anti cheats

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The argument about celtic needing rangers is irrelevant because there will not be a rangers soon.
You may want a newco to call themselvs rangers but it won't be the same thing as there will be no money, no Europe, no trophies. I wonder if a deal with Sky based on a STRONG celtic versus a crap rangers 4 times a season would actually happen.
Rangers need every team in the league right now yet 6 teams that we are aware of are ready to protest about a newco being parachuted back in to the SPL.

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I would be better if sky pulled the plug,only worth a million a year anyway.it would mean every game 30clock kick offs on a sat,wich would mean better attendances at games.so stick your sky.

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(sigh) £1m a year to Celtic = nothing. £1m to dunfermline, hearts, st mirren, st Johnstone et al, combined with old firm gate receipts = the difference between being able to survive and not. Celtic having no-one to play would be a bit of a stumbling block to their unbreakable financial plan.....
Neilza McH

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Stop trying to drag the rest of scotland in to your mess. You had no intrest in anyone but your selfs for the past 140 years so lets keep it that way please. Scottish football will survive and Celtic wil survive with or without Rangers.

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Celtic can't survive without Rangers? I'd be happy to give it a try and see what happens!

Jamesy Dell

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There is a good chance celtic would survive without us, as the majority of there money comes from elsewhere and not tv rights or old firm games

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Celtic made 180k profit in their recent financial report. And that was with a league including Rangers.

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Lawell is a bit slow. jst tryin to kid on the tic fans. graeme

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Lawell is deluded. Celtic couldn't fill their stadium earlier in the season and have been struggling to sell season tickets the last few years. Does he really think buying a season ticket at Septic Park is going to be more attractive without 2 old firm fixtures ?? Or maybe he thinks Rangers' fans will suddenly change alliegence ?? Aye right !! The guy's a supercilious clown.

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To the guy who said no tv would mean bigger crowds, who are you kidding? crowds are falling at a rate of knots..why? nobody can afford to watch carp football for 20 odd quid every week

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Jamesy dell......tell you how it would pan out. you'd fail fail. ger1952

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16 Feb 2012 13:24:45
***BREAKING NEWS***
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The first tier tax tribunal has delivered it's verdict on the tax bill which potentially could signal the end for Rangers. They have found in favour of Rangers as they cannot prove the intent was to defraud the tax payer by way of using the EBT's.

HMRC are to appeal but believe it will be a lost cause as they have put all of their evidence before the courts already.

Rangers administrators are therefor able to do a slightly better deal for creditors which will allow the club to exit administration before the Euro deadline for licensing.

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Is that you craigy ?

is the laptop your using paid for
or have Currys been added to the owed money list

Lubo25

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Where is this news?source please

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Breaking news...from where...your bedsit?

absolute garbage of the highest order! EBT's are specifically designed to avoid tax, there is no other way about it.

the reason this is in court, is because rangers are disputing the fines and penalties, as they already know the EBT is a lost cause

still with your head in the sand, and shame on you for trying to spread false hope to your fellow supporters


taco {Ed001's Note - it is actually that they did things outside of the EBT scheme, not the EBT themselves.}

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It's amazing that this website has broken this first, and not the administrators, HMRC, the judge or a major media outlet.....

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If what your saying is true thats good news, but were have you got your information ?

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No chance

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Is it too much effort to give a source?

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And your source is?

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Talk about a contrived, poorly written piece of junk. If you want to pretend that youve lifted info, youll need to do a bit better than that.

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And where did you hear this news. I can't see it anywhere

quabba

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This post makes no sense(could signal the end for Rangers(but have found in Rangers favour)what are you on man.

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This post is a farce and a fiasco of the highest order!

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Gentlemen, gentlemen please.....I am merely trying to give you a bit of hope when in fact there is none.

Your club won't exist soon so you better add a new club to your Christmas list.

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What load of rubbish. Why take the time to post such nonsense??!!

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First of all, I think this is rubbish.

Secondly, do the Tims on here not have a life outside of obsessing over Rangers?

Peter Liewell seems to think you would do well without us so why do you talk about us more than your own club?

54 titles and going nowhere!

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HMRC have already said that if they lose they will appeal. If they appeal then the money they are chasing will be taken from Rangers until the case is settled, so basically there is no "win" situation for Rangers that is why they were trying to cut a deal.

Basically now Mr Whyte is trying to liquidate the club so that the big tax bill goes away and we do not need to pay any amount for this bill and he can start afresh with any money he has left after settling with the creditors.

The Pilot!

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If this proves to be the case questions should be asked of the conduct of HMRC who all along seem to have been hellbent on making an example of Rangers

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Whyte has stated RFC will be out of Administration by beginning of March, he would not say this publicly if RFC was insolvent.

Now I am confused.

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To "the pilot" if the club is liquidated Ibrox will be sold and Murray park (if it is owned by the club) to cover any sets the club left behinds. so there is no getting away with it even if he started it again.

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Don't know about winning or not but if Rangers win the money is not taken from them until the appeal is heard, this is absulute garbage, If HMRC win they can take the money until an appeal is heard and decided as they are then entitled to the money until the appeal.

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I have come to the conclusion Administration has nothing to do with tax case, it is to do with the operating losses of the club.

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This is part of Craig Whyte's statement which clearly says that Rangers need to pay HMRC liabilities even if Rangers win the case.

"There is no realistic or practical alternative to our approach as HMRC has made it plain to the club that should we be successful in the forthcoming tax tribunal decision, they will 'appeal, appeal and appeal again' the decision. This would leave the club facing years of uncertainty and also having to pay immediately a range of liabilities to HMRC. Even if the club were to succeed in the tax tribunal, it would still face substantial liabilities. Zero liability will not happen.

The Pilot!

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Shame for spreading false hope among your supporters

Sashes to Ashes

1967

Ha Ha

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Having owned 3 companies and liquidated one, I can assure you it is illegal to run a loss making business for 9 months using HMRC funds, you are trading while insolvent.

Therefore Whyte cannot allow RFC to be liquidated without being charged with fraud, unless they lose the tax case then it may be legally justified.

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Check out all the DHIMS pressing the " disagree " They are in a total panic that this goes our way, which I believe it will. It says so much about our " rivals " Some of the comments on here are astonishing from the deluded masses of DHIMS. I hope yer f*****g ice cream melts and yer jelly wobbles ya shower of bunnets !! Rangers will never die, GIRUY ... AGer63

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To be honest with you 54 titles all won without cheating.
God Save The Queen's taxes.

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Jelly always wobbles!

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Yes you would have to be a Celtic fan to disagree with this clearly factual and not at all made up statement. Wise up everybody, there will be no leaks until the verdict is delivered, whichever way it goes.

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I am not a Celtic fan but without Rangers they would win the SPL forever and get 1st spot in the Champions League ad infinitum. This would offset any losses from 3-4 old firm games.

It will never happen anyway.

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No old firm games = no sky money, no decent league sponsers

no rangers = reduced ticket sales for the rest of the league, forcing some of the lower league teams into financial hardship.

but hey, not my problem. new rangers starting off in the english league 2.... watch this space.
The white horse.

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Total b****cks

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To rangers fans this would be the biggest GIRFUY to all the rest their WORST NIGHTMARE ger1952
wishful thinking and sqeaky bum time for all

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Rangers will go into liquidation. Craig Whyte (the main creditor) will then flog it. Who is going to buy a dead (white) horse?

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Club wont die but tough times for the future hopefully we can clear our debts all debts might take 5 or 6 years but can be done have faith

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16 Feb 2012 12:17:28
I heard today that all the chairman in the SPL are taking a tough stance against rangers for not paying other clubs money owed. the SPL chairmen have all agreed to with hold the money Rangers are owed until they pay the clubs in the SPL 100p in the pound

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All led by an anti-Rangers bias chairman from the east end of Glasgow?

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So who told you this p***? The wee guy outside pork head.away and gies aw peace

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Murray has a lot to answer for, as for that clown whyte, no hiding place small enough for this rat..jst hope we are not another 3rd lanark

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Good for them. i hope all chairmen stand firm against this shocking treatment shown to members clubs. trying to steal from other treams in the league is simply not on


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If we boycott all away games then we would be able to put killie st mirren Dundee utd in the shot straight away and most others except for Celtic would suffer so it's not in their interest to puss us off.

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Utter garbage!!!

If Rangers DONT pay them 100p in the pound, they wont pay Rangers what they owe them.......what difference does that make to Rangers....NONE!!!

We are already in debt....another few debts wont make any difference.

Rangers will end up paying them NOTHING and getting nothing back...but Rangers wont worry about that.

All we are worried about right now is coming out of administration and not liquidating.

Please timmy......if you are going to try and troll....at least put some thought into it first!!!

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As a true blue I would like our club to pay whatever is due other spl clubs ,if they are paid they are likely to look more favourably on rangers for any future decisions being made .it also helps to regain some dignity

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"100p in the pound". What a stupid statement. Thats full money. I have never heard of any company in admin paying full money. Away back to your monopoly board.

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"100p in the pound" is often paid to creditors that are essential for the ongoing business. I have worked with businesses where they have paid 100p in the pound to creditors and also paid 6p in teh pound to others. Not a stupid statement at all.

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This is not stupid only in the fact that we need allies not enemies, so to pay them makes sense - however the post is not accurate as the meeting between SPL chairmen takes place tomorrow and a lot can happen between now and then, there is a statement from administrators this afternoon.

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Lol, boycott all games, the way your going there will be a permanent boycott as your team will dissapear.

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Ed can you not bring some sanity to this situation. Is it not the case that football debt is ring fenced within an admin process and that clubs owed money get 100% of what is due to them. This is primarily what gets up the nose of HMRC as they are unsecured creditors. {Ed014's Note - That is only in England that football debt becomes a main creditor.

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Gers fans boycot all away gamesso hurting the otherclubs? probably..but the residets of those towns would be happy!

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Boycott away games. The full 15 of you all that were at the Dundee United game?

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Rangers will pay spl clubs what they owe once the club comes out of admin it aint deliberate just mismanagement of funds i think

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16 Feb 2012 11:39:52
no immedite staff cuts at rangers stv!

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No grass cuts ether coz the cant afford the gardener or the fule to run his lawnmower

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A spokesmen for Paul Clark has said this not the 2 Administrators who are in charge, they will offer players the chance to leave am sure.
Don

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Thats to get you in the ground this week to spend money in there they,ll be big players cuts next week..

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True that it will not happen immediately, as in today or tomorrow, but unfortuneatly it will happen next week after Stadler and Waldorf (two muppets from administrators) get as much money from us this weekend as they can.

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16 Feb 2012 11:06:41
The rumours I have heard are that Aluko and Bartley will be the first players to be told they have no future at the club.

In the next couple of weeks Papac, Healy, McCulloch, Goian and McKay will also be released.

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You would think aluko is on a low wage, so would still be considered a viable option until the summer, whereas healy, mcculloch and papc are all on 5k+ a week so can be seen as expendible

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The administrators will look at aluko situation favourably as far as I'm aware we have first option on the player with regards to a new contract.he is obviously worth it and has a sell on value on small wages so will be re signed .bartley I can understand as we have cover with other players.

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Noone knows.

this isn't rumour, its guesswork. and i don't think the guess is very good in aluko's case - he is young enough to have a resale plus i suspect he aint a big earner. oh and he is rather important to the team now.

would it not make more sense for the administrator to get him on another contract to give him a value?

bartley is a better guess i suspect.

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Dont think you can sign players in admin.

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They are all push anyway, flog them all and go with the reserves. will pay dividends in 2-3 years

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Aluko will be kept until the summer however as Rangers are not in a position to offer him a decent contract he will be off to the championship, there has supposedly been contact with Derby and Ipswich with regards to him signing a pre contract agreement

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Total b*ll*cks. Bartley has been on Twitter saying Rangers fans have been telling him that he's going back to London and he said he doesn't know himself. All this is total rumour and guess work that doesn't have any backing at all. Also STV have it on their web site that their will be no immediate job losses, that suggests to me that the Admins are still looking through the books to see what state the club is actually in. {Ed001's Note - it can take months, after all when Leeds and Bradford went in to admin following Ridsdale's mismanagement, it took ages before they found that he had paid himself a huge bonus just hours before putting the clubs into administration. It is a huge organisation and the books are complicated, admin will not be a process consisting of a couple of weeks, it will take that long just to assess things.}

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When we are in administration we cant sign anybody m8.

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If the Administrators had any sense and Aluko being the gentlman that he is they would try and agree to a new contract which would then turn Aluko in to an assest and would easily command a 7 figure transfer sum

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It will NOT take the administrators months to look over the clubs accounts as they have been with craig whyte since day 1 of his interest of buying the club and also by his side throughout since his takeover,its one of his friends company,s who are the administrators we,ve all seen the pictures of them walking upto ibrox together after the takeover and also as guests at ibrox so they know exactly where every penny is and who owes what already. {Ed001's Note - they will still not have had full access.}

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16 Feb 2012 10:17:20
Administrators currently at Murray Park meeting with the players, coaches adn management.

The administrators have also announced a press conference at around 3:30pm today (Thursday) at Ibrox Stadium where they have told reproters outside Murray park they will be making an extensive statement on Rangers FC and the immediate future and actions.

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I love the Rangers, through good & the bad times, we'll come out of this stronger than ever! They should enjoy it while it lasts, a Scottish cup in 4 years before this season and needing Rangers in this state to get any kind of success.

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To the poster above, hang your head in shame. Your club are financially and morally bankrupt yet you cant help yourself spouting nonsense about the well run club that is Celtic.

You wont come out stronger and better, are you really that thick? Do you not read the papers/listen to the news. The tax dodgers will have the next 5-7 years of financial misery at their door even if they come out of administration. If they get liquidated, which I hope, then you will be supporting a new club as that old club is dead....along with 140 years of history and tradition.

I just cant get enough!

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Totally agree with the first reply! i wish this was the centiments of all fans. we really need to get behind the team, forget whyte for now, rangers need our money more than ever.. the administrators will see whyte doesnt get at it!

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Is this the same rangers yous were saying are champions when yous were 15 points clear and the league was over? what has changed from the start ov the season till now regarding players? if anything adding to ur squade should have made it stronger and now ur shoulting about the state of rangers dont forget celtic clawed it back and went 4 points clear with ought ur 10 point deduction ( for cheating)

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Celtic made £180,000 profit. If Rangers go into liquidation and are dissolved then Sky will either pull the plug or severely reduce the tv contract. All SPL clubs will receive less money for tv rights. Also the status of the SPL will be reduced and in turn valuations on players within this league. My guess is that without Rangers, the SPL will become one of the smallest and least important leagues in Europe.

So Celtic although they are running a tight ship will also have to downsize, as they only made £180,000 from a league with Rangers in it.

Oh and before you spout on about wiping history, Celtic FC plc were called 'Celtic Athletic and Football Club' prior to 1994, which is also a name change. So I guess you guys lost your shorter history long before us.

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Yes celtic made 180.000 pound profit but also cleared 2 million off there debt thats right we pay our debt un like yr shaddy mob thats why us are in this mess in the first place so deal with it and just to add the spl would be better without cheating tax dodjing teams ripping all the small clubs of

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To the above post Celtic only changed their name,they were never liquidated which meant they kept their history,liquidation means you loose your history,you even got Celtics old name wrong ffs,think before you type,or at least check the facts before you spout garbage.

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For talking’s sake, if Rangers were to liquidate and re-register in England – roughly 5 years later we could be pushing for Championship promotion to the EPL, lots of sponsorship and TV money coming in.

In the Scottish league without us, Celtic would be making their ‘massive’ signings from 3rd Lanark for £200 and a box of Mars Bars.

Don’t understand how people actually think one will survive in the SPL without the other. Madness.

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Pushing for championship in 5 years dream on youz wish pal and as for celtic and the £200 and a box of mars bars thats more than youz can offer just now for a player (youz are a joke)so keep posting the crap and we will keep bamming youz all up .....fling more ammo please and thanks for admitting youz couldnt survive with ought uz but il tell u we would be perfectly fine without rangers ...glasgows green and whyte lol

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Celtic fc changed from a private limited company 2 a public limited company(plc) which allows the club 2 sell shares 2 the public i.e (the fans) wot woz part of mccanns plan for the new celtic which clearly wrkd as the fan raised over 12 million..every business has a registration which celtic has always been the same n as we neva went bust we r still the same club,,as for rainjurs if they go in2 liquidation the company loses its registration meanin any new business/club formed needs a new 1 which means they start from scratch....hh

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16 Feb 2012 10:16:27
Ed, have you heard anything about Mr Whyte receiving the Ticketus money before he officially took control of Rangers? I've heard this from a couple of different sources and this is the reason why Alistair Johnston & John McCall now want the FSA to investigate the takeover. Mr Murray could also be investigated if they look into the takeover.

If this was the case would that not mean that Mr Whyte was liable for the £24m loan and not Rangers Fc? Would this mean that he may have to sell his shares in Rangers to pay back this debt?

The more this story goes on it seems to be that Mr Whyte could be looking at a criminal conviction as it seems to be that there are black holes all over the place and plenty of missing money.

Has he secured loans on the strength of his position at Rangers and has he used his Rangers shares as his bond for the loans whilst pocketing cash?

I think this story has a long way to go and whatever Mr Whyte's plan was in the 1st place I don't think it is going to happen. As each day passes there seems to be more political involvement and more investigations into his working practice and his character.

I think the best we can hope for is for someone to come in with a takeover package, negotiate with HMRC for all the cases, pay off the other debts and then have a share issue to raise case for the future of the club. We will need to cut back on wages/signings but if this secures the long term future of the club then it will benefit everyone involved. The only problem is finding enough investors with hard cash to pump into the club knowing that they are not going to get an instant return on their investment.

Only time will tell.

The Pilot! {Ed001's Note - I haven't heard anything regarding that and it seems highly unlikely that it would be true to me.}

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Its unlikely that he got the money prior to being majority shareholder, and even if he did, he would likely transfer the debt from himself, to against the parent company of rangers and secure the debt against the club

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John McCall,Labour MP and Celtic season ticket holder.Doesnt take much to work out his motivation.

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Did you hear the one about an introduction or broker fee being payable on the ticketus money?

wonder who owns the company that got that... if that one is true then it will / must be revealed during administration

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Whats johnstons motivation then?

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Its McFall where is everyone getting McCall from.

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It would not be true, Whyte is a very smart guy, a crook, I don't know for sure, but he wouldn't let himself be caught by a stupid move, he'll have most things covered if not all.

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The story about the ticket money financing his "bid" is plausible. Recent takeovers at Liverpool and Man Untd resulted in the debt involved being lumped on the clubs

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16 Feb 2012 10:10:08
i just had a wee sniff of a great story. alistair johnston is making all this noise as he dznt want fans to see just how much this guy has taken from rangers over the years.it will come out now as whyte is raging about his comments.rangers paid for all his flights ,both to and from,the USA.all these flights were on a first class ticket and included his FULL hotel expenses.there is also rumours that he took care of some IMG buisness while in the UK with rangers footing the bill.be interesting to see what these bills total

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LOL whyte is raging ,those flights must run in to say 100,000 grand or so. whyte has done you up like a kipper for about 35 million

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So what, if you appoint a guy who lives in America then you must pay for his travel and expenses. So what! Do you want him to pay for it! Whyte has cleaned you lot out for 10s of millions in 9 months ya muppet

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These are called travel expenses ya muppet!

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Travel expenses are only due when attending board meetings this guy was having his bills payed EVERY time he was in the UK.whyte has proof that on numerous occasions he was no where near glasgow when claiming.the main reason whyte is mad is with a bill for over 10k for a 5 day stay in the close season.

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I think you just had a wee sniff o' the Evostick!
BB

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16 Feb 2012 09:58:28
i have intel stating that ibrox and Murray park will remain part of rangers for the near future (At Least) due to red tape:

The last published accounts in June 2010 showed Rangers net assets, including the stadium, at £70m. That figure though could be further compromised by an inflated valuation on a stadium with negligible redevelopment potential, due to its location and Category B historic listed building status, and a training ground (Murray Park) that cannot be sold for house-building due to greenbelt restrictions.

Keep the faith people!

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'Keep the Faith' i never thought id ever hear a Rangers fan using one of the most famous quotes used by Celtic & their fans !!!

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Pish. it can all be sold. but who would buy it? you are kidding yourself if you think people would invest money in developing that pit of an area into housing. it has not investment value or interest. Murray Park on the other hand does. It's only issue is the local flood level potential. but again.... cost for development. the building industry is in decline. the boom is long gone. no one has the money to purchase and develop these areas.

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Press conference by administrators to be held at ibrox at 3.30pm today
doesnt sound good news

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How often does it need to be said Murray Park is not an asset of Rangers it is owned by SDM and leased to Rangers.

Why additional concern about a press conference, they said that they would provide regular feedback.

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Murray Park has no planning permission for residential development (part of the deal to get it built in the first place), and Murray owns Murray Park, not Rangers. It isn't one of their assets to be sold.

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A leasing company would purchase Ibrox and would basically rent it back to rangers. The same could happen with Murray park. The outgoings would be terrible but it's an option. With regard to the area around Ibrox it's not the nicest area but it is close to the city centre so could put some decent flats up. Maybe i'm clutching at straws

CJM

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Its about faith in the Team, Faith in Ally and faith in the fact we need to stand together put our money where our mouths are (buying tickets) and supporting our team through this.. forget whyte he is a tiny skid mark on our great club!

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I didn't say it couldn't be sold, but it would be very difficult to culptivate the area's due to the red tape involved.. to that end highly unlikely to be bought!

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You can't buy tickets, or only very few of them at least. Season tickets are still valid so there'll be very little income brought in by home games.

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"Keep the faith" - was this not a phrase made famous in this instance by Marvin Andrews?

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Nope, Keep Believing!!

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Haa a see the regular celtic fans posting on these pages are getting a bit desperate and worried about the Gers coming out of this better than they had wished/hoped for! ie there desperate claims of Ibrox and Murray park being sold for housing. Should check your info first , Ibrox is a listed building therefor cannot be touched and SDM owns Murray park not Rangers.watch n weep bhoys watch n weap we will be back stronger than last few seasons very very soon!

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16 Feb 2012 09:57:04
players leaving will be mcculloch papac alexander bocanegra bedoya healy and bartley from what im lead to believe

HAMILTON LAD

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Would seem about right although don't think Bocanegra will go until the summer.

Don't think Bedoya will go. McKay may go instead.

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Healy?? so NO fit strikers left at the club then? i heard lafferty will go due to an appearance fee owed to burnley

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16 Feb 2012 02:48:56
Now that Rangers have gone into admin watch 6-8 top flight EPL teams fall under investigation. Reaching almost 1 billion in tax unpaid. Man Utd are already in 700 million worth of debt....its gonna be a very messy summer.

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No it wont.their EBT's are all used properlly.its an image rights problem they are facing

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They don't owe it to HMRC though.

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Screw them, we have our own problems to worry about.


Surely theirs is also owed to the taxman? as they are setting up companys to receive image rights, paying lower tax, rather than receiving the money as salary

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16 Feb 2012 01:54:13
bocanegra to Vancouver Whitecaps

Ryanrfc

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Oh great he's the only decent defender we have, I thought he had played for 2 clubs is there not s rule you can't play for 3 teams?

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Bocanegra has 2 and a half years remaining on contract and is on one of the lower wages (£10k) due to age little sell on value so he is 1 of the more liklier players to stay.
Players on short term contracts (Alluko, Healey, Bartley and Papac) will be amongst 1st to leave.
McGregor, Whittaker, Davis, Lafferty, Edu and Naismith will be sold when window opens and offered wage cuts until then.
McCulloch, Goian etc will be offered cut deal on current wages.
This is NOT fact, just my opinion
Theglasgowranger

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What a Goian, he's been our best defender in mt opinion.

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No immediate cuts in playing staff. Source? the administrators

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No immediate cuts is correct the player cull starts on Monday !!

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Lets hope the players will follow the portsmouth players a few yrs back and for-go their pay in order for the low paid office/admin staff to get their pay packets!

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Goian is muck

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We should get shot of lafferty becos after he plays 100 games we have top pay a fee to burnley

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16 Feb 2012 01:40:20
Been talking to ma mate on xbox live of all places boys.... He reckons talk over his way is Edu boca an bedoya will all be joining the MLS

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Administrators say their will be no immediate cuts in the playing staff so tell your mate to stick to playing fifa12 on xbox.

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Bedoya is worse than a man down anyway :-) Would be sorry to see Bocanegra and Edu go though

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16 Feb 2012 00:42:32
bocanegra going back to the mls im hearing

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15 Feb 2012 23:45:04
Does Craig white still have to release the accounts now that we're in administration? AR

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No, the administrators now control the club, and they will have to produce accurate accounts by law


taco

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Administrators don't have to produce accounts only a statement of affairs as at 14/2/12 when they took over. They have already confirmed this all we will c is assets and liabilities at that date. Whyte has done this many times b4 he knows how to screw a company. Till its dead

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Whyte is an expert at screwing creditors, Rangers may owe HMRC 75 million plus 9 million, why do you think Murray chose him ? The liquidated asset value of RFC is 20-25 million, Whyte will liquidate, buy it back and wipe out all debts.
I believe it will benefit RFC in the long term, new business plan with no debts.

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It is a shame the administrators are linked to Whyte. Never thought I'd say this but perhaps it would have been better if HMRC had appointed their own administrator.

What should become clear, regardless of who the administrator is, is exactly what has happened to the money that has come into Ibrox since Whyte took over.

Ed, this is just an opinion...

I wonder how long it will take before (if) it is revealed that there has been an introduction fee paid out (and to whom) for brokering the ticketus deal.

Any guesses on who may would have been the recipient of such a fee? Paid out of course from the fans season ticket money.

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But no nonour ,history and not to mention crooked

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Did he actually ever have any intention of releasing the accounts?.

CJM

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