Rangers Rumours Archive February 01 2012

 

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01 Feb 2012 23:24:31
It would be to my understanding that HMRC would prefer to come some arrangement regarding a fee to clear the tax bill. If Rangers were declared insolvent and were handed a winding up order to my understanding they would not have assets which would come near £49m, so a settlement out of court so to speak would be up HMRC's street. I am not an expert, its just a thought/idea that would maybe back up claims of a "settlement" of sorts.

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Furthermore, if Rangers were to go insolvent then ALL creditors would be paid equally i.e. HMRC still wouldnt get what its due as all creditors to the club would be paid with the selling up of our assets.

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A thought i heard somethin way back when whyte 1st took over. But apparently was one of the 1st things he did was put everythin into a different company just incase we do lose the tax case? if its true then he isn't daft, i also heard that everythin about and to do with the players have also been transfered aswell so we didn't lose any of them, ed any correction or that i‘m wrong? thanks. (Loyal Bear)

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No settlement.HMRC don't do this.Clutching at straws.Also,our debtsare so high that administration would almost certainly lead to liquidation.No middle point here.Even without the Tax Case,we'll be lucky to carry on(est debts w/o tax case £70m).
How did tonights protest go?.

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Wouldnt murray park and ibrox be classed as assets?

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In response to the person who said "all creditors would be paid equally". er... no they wouldn't. There is a sliding scale for repayment of debt, HMRC and any other Government body that has a payment required from any business or establishment will be up there at the top of the queue. The fact that the potential debt to HMRC is almost as much as Rangers is worth would put them way ahead of any other creditors. Enjoy.

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Well he could pay 24.4 million towards it!
Diesel

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There will always be a rangers. hmrc issue will be resolved, then normal service will resume. timmy is just distracting himself with rangers rather than looking at his own clubs under achievements over the last 3 years going head to head with a rangers time who is apparently skint... we still have better players! 3 in a row, soon to be 4! no surrender

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01 Feb 2012 23:23:47
RANGERS NEWS ,
I posted rumours on here ed about whyte and the dealings at ibrox regarding tax issues etc , and was verbally abused with some replies from fans! It was all lies from timmy etc , well heres one which you might well believe now.
A few weeks ago Gary Withey resigned from being rangers club secretary to go back to Collyer Bristow partners as the head partner , Although they are being investigated by the Serious Fraud Squad for over 51 miliion after 532 complaints made to the police by investors.
Then octopus/ticketus paid 24.4million into collyer bristows account for the season tickets that were ring-fenced at the same offices and address of wavetower who became rangers holdings ltd. This is 4 Bedford row , london . AS The truth is out there!.........AS

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GOOD G_D ALMIGHTY

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An someone please simplify this one for me, doh!

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There is truth in this, i've just checked it out.

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Why haven't the papers done a story on this? Why dont you come out in public and put your name to to this story instead of posting it on a web sight? Is it maybe because it is Utter garbage that would see you sued left, right and centre!! away back to the runners up site ya cowerd! Steve o

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01 Feb 2012 23:09:54
Hi Ed please post this on the page, want other Gers fans to realise this :

Right Lads, Craig Whyte has taken out a loan of £24.4Million + from various organisations, now from what I have been reading - NOBODY seems to know where this money has went to?

So, my thoughts on this - Craig Whyte has taken this money in the name of either RFC or one of his other companies and then has stored the money in an offshore bank account where you cannot (legally) find a trace of somebodys bank account (virgin islands for example).

BUT and heres the thing, the way things look to be going, we are heading for Administration, so that means, if we go into Admin. the money borrowed from these organisations in the name of RFC will not be owed any longer which means that Whyte can walk away with upwards of £25M for running a club into the ground, and either buying it back cheap and sell it on for an even bigger tidy profit or some other person comes in and takes over the club..

This is what Whyte is going to do, how else could he have taken out £24M in this financial climate without anybody noticing a trace ..

Just watch and you'll see.

hope this has made what Whyte is planning alot clearer.

LewBear.

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The loan will be secured we had previously heard that whyte was secured creditor but this must be ticketus. I think he will put us into admin, sell the players left that would command a fee, and we will have a teamif kids. Hopefully the creditors will agree to something like 10p in the pound. Whyte willbe in pole position to buy what's left , he will then sell for a big profit. Somebody will then buy a debt free club,

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Administration will not work for Whyte.Receivership will if his plan is to cut and run.As secured creditor if he appoints receiver then receiver has to loook after Whyes interests BEFORE other creditors.This way Whyte gets what he's owed and the other creditors can fight over the scraps.Unfortunately,and it's looking more likely,this would see our club going out of business.

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75% of creditors by value(eg,if we owe £100 then creditors with a total value of £75 can force a CVA agreement)must be in place to agree a CVA.In our Unaudited accounts of 30th November we showed creditors of approx 70m,without the tax case.If we lose our appeal then any figure above,say 18m means HMRC can block a CVA and they will.They will issue a winding up order and a demand for the full amount.If not paid,they will foreclose.It's what they do.If we lose we can appeal to the Upper house,but only on points of law,I.E. we can't just say that we don't agree so we'll appeal again.Even if this appeal is allowed,any amount due must be paid up front.If we win at the Upper House we get cash plus interest back.Get ideas of cheap settlements etc out of your heads,they ain't gonna happen.

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Trying to work out Lost was easier than this..Nivbear.

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Agree with the CVA statement..... and Nivbear :-) Although this seems more like an episode of carry on....

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CORRECT !!!

I have tried to post the FULL details of what Whyte and Ellis and Hughes and more crooks like King etc all now attached to Glasgow Rangers FC - FRAUDULENT COMPANY

They are actively carrying out what is known as a Long Firm or 'LF' as it is known as in criminal circles (Google Kray twins or New York mafia scams).

The principle aim is to bulls**t all decent people concerned with the company (Rangers fans and shareholders) for as long as possible whilst milking every possible asset (credit as in ticketus and player sales as in Jelly, also secure assets on CREDIT such as Shagger Davis and Whitts) all to be sold off over a period of time one by one just prior to Administration or at a point when ALL lines of credit are ceased

Ultimately the 'FACE/FRONT' - Whyte is a presentable apparent shining knight that appeases for as long as possible with diplomatically worded ppress releases whilst ONLY paying MUST PAY bills to maintain the credit rating of the 'MARK' - Rangers

This IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING and due to the heavy gangster element in background Ally cant say jack s**t - you understand now why he lying to us he is scared

ONLY hope is police come in before they walk/run to hide behind the offshore companies so cleverly set up to hide monies pilfered as your man above has said check out all links between shady f***ers linked to Whyte Ellis Ticketus and Collyer ALL LINKED AND A MAJOR SCAM

George

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Ilive in peterborough, and i know his nephew who told me whyte is only in in for the money, he also told me whyte supports motherwell. thats his own family. it doesnt say alot for this rat. i am Rangers thru and thru, so i would not make this up. shug peterborough loyal.

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01 Feb 2012 22:40:26
the reason fleck is gone is apparently his attitude n he is smoking. the move to blackpool is looking to be permanent. or to advertise him to sell him.
id love it if he came back though. hes a gd we player. could be reat for rangers

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Holloway said he tried to sign fleck on a permanent deal before taking him on loan..

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Come back to what

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Prosinecki smoked 40 a day! Not comparing the ability of him and fleck but in the situation we are in it didn't make sense to send him out - now we are top heavy with average midfielders and light on any forwards who are also pretty average except for lafferty - (I'm even clutching straws there), and naisy who is obviously long term injured. Might have to play mcculloch up front , he used to play further forward when he was younger.

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I know wee flecky from school and his family stay on the same street as me . he doesnt smoke . the reason hes out on loan as he isnt getting game time which is hindering his progression . he has all the talent in the world but rarely gets to show/improve if hes not playing . watch out for him down blackpool playing regular football for a good manager and you will see the wee man come back a better player . plus theres no chance he will leave rangers . unless rangers say they no longer want him ..

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01 Feb 2012 22:20:39
Cameron backs beleaguered Pompey

Cameron backs beleaguered Pompey.

Prime Minister David Cameron has thrown his support behind Portsmouth's battle for financial survival.

Pompey were last week issued with a winding-up order by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) over an unpaid tax bill in the region of £1.6million, with the petition due to be heard in court on February 20.

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I seen him say this live on politics now, bb2 yesterday morning, he agreed to get HMRC to sit at table with pompy and understands pompy fans wont buy southampton season tickets as the MP that asked the question joked about.

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01 Feb 2012 22:05:36
just a point of interest -

What would have happened last night if Norwich had said ok you've got a deal ????

Cynical but ........ if we had enough up our sleeve to pay for Holt AND his wages, being Norwich's captain, i expect he would have been on good money, so why can we not use those same funds to get Jaager and Riordan on short term deals ?
Also, what if Dundee Utd had said the same about our £3m offer for Goodwillie. I am dreaming or what ?
Im beginning to think Ibrox is the REAL fantasy island.

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If they had accepted we would have probibly have told them we were only having a laugh

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Whyte knew that the bid would be declined but even if it wasn't he would have then rejected the terms required by holts agent.

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Beacuse in each occasion our inept owner new the offer(s) would never be accepted.

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Because he did not intend to ever sign anybody, another pathetic attempt to pull the wool

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Dumb ass we made a 500k offer for a club captain and fans favourite we were never getting him smoke and mirrors we have no money,i reckon he done it an attempt to appease ally cause he knows we will have only exits from this club

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Rangers never offered anywhere near £3m for goodwillie. Half of that was their top offer cause they couldn't pay anymore. Blackburn met the asking price. Keep dreaming that Rangers offered decent money for anyone lately. Look the biggest joke is that boy Claros signing for hibs.

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01 Feb 2012 21:59:14
what time was this at , i went in at half 6 and no one was there
william.

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01 Feb 2012 21:41:33
Do Rangers have the option to recall John Fleck?

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01 Feb 2012 21:31:28
Watching that video of mccoist leaving ibrox last night will stay with me for a long time he's a guy who bleeds royal blue and he's went to plead with the board to give him funds to bring in 1 or 2 u can actually feel his pain and anger and what's even more sad about it the sheet of paper he had with him was apparently an injury list to show the board how bad we needed people in got to feel for him always be a legend ally!

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Tim comin in peace lads! Awe the best, wouldn't wish this in my worse enemy!

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That list was allys way of embarrasing whyte , he knew the cameras would zoom in on it and good on him for trying to show him up for what he is .

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Ally has to take some responsibility for being unable to get more players in during the transfer window. Let's not forget we went out early in Europe to 2 teams that were worse than average and were embarrassed in the Europa League. I am not trying to blame Ally totally but he has to remember how much revenue was lost when his team failed in Europe

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SUPER ALLY, SUPER ALLY, OLLIE OLLIE OLLIE.

True legend, i know he is a GREAT manager, but this is the worst RFC has EVER been in financial terms

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01 Feb 2012 21:14:03
to all bears out there,lets get right behind Super Ally and the team. Think what they (septic fc) will say when the Bears win 4 in a row. Couldn't imagine. Not impossible? WHYTE OUT NOW !

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Keep dreaming. With super Healy leading the line yous are proper fecked!

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01 Feb 2012 21:10:04
go on ED.. stick this thought on the main rumours page.... and also what are your thoughts on this??
just a thought lads.... maybe whyte is playing the game, running gers right down, making us appear to be in worse circumstances than we actually are, so that when we lose the tax case[which we will to some extent] then maybe there will be some kind of leniency from hmrc and any other creditors involved.... ie.. maybe we can strike a deal [like arsenal have done] that would save us millions, and we can get out of administration quicker...... as opposed to keeping our top earners... making new signings striving forward as a club that come may, could face a massive debt of liquidation proportions....... dont forget most of us gers fans are average guys that dont understand the comings and goings of rescuing failing buisnesses.... and also mr whyte cant exactly come out and tell gers fans this is his plan...

This guy wasnt born yesterday ! watp {Ed014's Note - I am no financial whizzkid.But I can tell you there will be no deal with HMRC.

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Just a thought perhaps my fellows bears could read previous posts before they pass on their confused opinions...we are looking at aministration not liquidation....so know your facts first.

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If some of the horror stories are true it could be liquidastion mate,

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You are looking at the possibility of either administration or liquidation dependent on the magnitude of liability from the FTT. What needs to be clear is that Whyte does not have experience of saving failing businesses, his major talent is in asset stripping distressed companies which in the majority of cases result in liquidation

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Assets includes players

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Why do you say there will be no deal done Ed? {Ed014's Note - HMRC have already refused to accept any form of deal.Rangers tried last year even before the takeover happened.If a deal was to be struck it would have happened by now.

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Maybe (just maybe) Craig Whyte is one of the smartest men alive (and no, I've not bin on the drink at this time in the morning!)

Maybe, he is trying to paint a picture so bleak that HMRC may not want to take the gamble on a full fine, (as they may end up with 6p in the pound or similar), but they may accept a lesser figure.

Put it this way- releasing unaudited accounts (anyone else who is an auditor would back me up on this- a big question mark as to why do this: shows HMRC that the debt is now secured against him, I bet he's got a fixed and floating charge over all RFC assets, so upon administration he'll get his cash back).

Next, mortgaging off future revenues- this is like using Wonga.com, and as customers of companies like that are people who are really struggling financially, this shows a bleak future for RFC.

Finally, sell of your most marketable asset, not replace him and say expenditure outstrips income yearly unless we get Champions League.

He must have something up his sleeve, because if he really is from Motherwell he will know he will not be able to show his face in Scotland again (except Aberdeen, he may be given the freedom of the city there...) if things go wrong.

I feel sorry for Ali, it is not his fault, but there must be a plan. I hope I am right, or we are up the creek so to speak.

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All this stuff goes straight over my head, so if a deal cannot be donne, why did arsenal get away with it, this is just a question as i know nothing about this stuff.

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01 Feb 2012 21:05:21
Did the suggested protest at ibrox tonight actually happen?

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Yes it did around 300

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Dont tell fibs. no protest

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I work near Ibrox and drove past just after 5.50pm. Nobody was standing outside then do it doesn't look like anything happened.

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Shows how much youse really care about your club guys. Last night and all day today youse have been talking about a protest. And what happened? 2 men and a wee lad turned up. Ha Ha Ha

HAIL HAIL
ChrisBhoy

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I drove past at 6:30 and all the shutters were down over the main door & all I seen was 2 teenage girls playing hopscotch down the road. I guess that's how much you guys love your club eh!

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01 Feb 2012 21:00:39
Hope all my fellow bears are well this evening despite yesterdays drawn out conclusion to the transfer window. Can anyone tell me if Sundays cup game against Dundee Utd is a freebie as part of the season tickets please?

WATP

Barry Barry

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No Season Ticket Entry £25 For Game

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Nah email came out a few weeks back around £20 I believe! I passed

Harry & harry

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You will have to call ticketus and ask them m8. Their number is on the Rangers website just below the samaritans... Nivbear..

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Its not included I think in whytes plans not even the celtic games are included next year, this is where he can make some of the 6 mil +interest we need to pay ticketus will come from!!

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01 Feb 2012 20:51:12
everyone knows we need a right back then why not have a look at the guy obua at hearts.i think if rangers say they will take him his contract at hearts would be cancelled,then we could sign him.just a suggestion.

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Obua ain't a right back haha

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01 Feb 2012 20:20:22
Some Bookmakers have suspended betting on Ally McCoist Leaving Rangers it's a sad day if Whyte has forced out another Legend of our great club.

IanTheBear

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What bookmakers? You're talking absolute guff my friend. Coisty is here for 4 in a row!

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100% right very sad day if he has yet again forced another legend out the door, maybe that's what he wants - to surround himself with people who don't have our club in their hearts makes it easier for him to tear our club apart from within!

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01 Feb 2012 19:32:03
Amazing!! Just read RFC official website with McCoist telling us he believes we can still win the league with the squad available??

Man up Ally!! Go to whyte and tell him where to shove it..... You really think we can win the league??

Accept defeat, tell him it's not good enough, resign, and leave with your dignity intact ... do not become a puppet.

For all you die hard bears ..... I am one, I was there in the 70's & 80's through the lean years, have been there through the good times and will always be there.... let's get it right...... If we don't have a pot to piss in..... go into administration.... come out the other side...... look at what we have..... and move on. This season and for the long and distant past they're are 40+ thousand of us turning up to every 2nd week to watch our team against dross (sorry SPL opposition). Why not attempt to register with the English FA (swansea/cardiff) start at the bottom and be in the big time in 10 years .... simples!

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Agree with last part of your comment but as for telling ally to man up and walk with dignity - he is the only person at the club showing any sort of dignity and the only one who is standing in front of the media every week trying to keep a united front - my advice to Super Ally is tell Whyte he can take the media conference on Friday!

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Cos if you haven't got any money now you'll never get passed div 1 in english league

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Simply great in theory BUT we all are in the middle of the most crippling recession the human race has ever known which might even be the breakdown of human society!!and the start of civil war...Anarchy in the uk...so if ibrox is that dear to you I would get down there with my wee hammer and knock a bit out of the wall and take it home with you to make a wee shrine to the past as it might not be there for too much longer...simples eh!.....

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Accept defeat! not me mate we can still win the league.Administration is not a good situation especially for the people who dont get paid.Would you just walk away if it were you instead of Ally?I couldnt we re all in this together we have to stick together and support our team WATP

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Big time with no europe ever again? no thanks even if we win the premiership we would not be aloud to enter any european compitition,ENGLISH premier we are and will always be scottish

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If we did attempt the lower english leagues im afraid we would probably never win another trophy and would struggle to make it out of league 1 or the championship.

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Get a grip, keep believing, we lost miller close season and still won league, as ally says better players than jela left ibrox life goes on, get over it, WATP

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What would you want Ally to say, we've not got a hope in hell. of course he's going to say he believes we can still win the league.

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Id rather play in scotland be scottish play scottish bring thro scottish and be poor and play in england for cash

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Aye brilliant idea! Im sure our already weakened squad would love to hear their gaffer come out and say we have no chance of winning the league!
Yeah our club is in the sh#it but we are not in a title race against Barcelona. Celtic stupidly claimed the league last season on 2nd January. Let the fools do it again this season. Big Lafferty will be back for the final games of the season to score is usual league winning goals:) Lets get behind the team and the management and get 4 in a row.

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I think the part about ally is poor chat. He loves the club he is a true captian and will go down with his ship. However the last part about moving to England. I think thats where our future would lie, but dont think he hasnt got investors sitting waiting to give the Gers money or even buy him out if he is in the Blue Square League. We are a massive club and it wouldnt take us long to get to the championship.

Don

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What a financial wizard you are! As for the SPL dross, we will survive longer. We ran our business properly. We didn't win with money we didn't have to play with. Makes you, and all your championships, just that wee bit fake, doesn't it? Ten years to come back? LMAO, your fickle fans will long since have gone. Lets all laugh!

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01 Feb 2012 19:31:13
got this message on my facebook today read into it what you will. the guy has no reason to lie. whats this about McCoist Quiting the bears and billy davies is taking over? seeminly there is a conference at 14:00 tomorrow to announce it all, i cant see it anywhere on the net, we will see if my source from Ibrox is right! (not a wind up eiither buddy) steviebear

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DAVIES is not that stupid or desprate

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Nonsense. Complete NONSENSE.

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Davies had enough of working without cash at Forrest.Hardly likely to want to work with even less.

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01 Feb 2012 19:19:41
as we have not money to spend on players,why not start looking for young talent now for the start of the new season.look for players with sell on value that we can get for pennys.there must be young players out there who would jump at the chance to leave poor countrys and come here.we should be employing ex-players out in south america to go around the leagues in uruguay,paraguay,chile,columbia,ecuador and maybe brazil & argentina to find young players we can bring through.we are they only club that does not do this.the same should be done in africa.it is a way of improving our team and squad,bringing in money from sell on's and improving the image of the club plus we could be expanding the clubs name and brand through out the world.make sense!! {Ed014's Note - Work permit issues mean it would be pointless

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Or do the same in scotland...plenty of players here.

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Two words "work permits"!!

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Ed,does the work permit issue not just apply to players over 18.if we got then in at age 16,17,18 would the work permit issue not apply as badly.also is the work permit thing applyt to young players from africa. {Ed014's Note - It is harder to get permits for younger players.International caps are part of the requirement or you need to prove they are an exceptional talent.

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01 Feb 2012 19:16:59
Looks like the pm is helping out portsmouth fc with there money problems by asking the hmrc to sit down with the club and help the fans buy the club maybe they will do the same with us

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Why dont you send a letter up the chimney and hope santa comes early to help here. maybe even if 50,000 take their teeth out and hope for the tooth fairy that maybe pay for allys taxi home.

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Why would the PM help a team in the spl ask Alex

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See why is fat salmond no like this? he is moaning about what state scottish footbsll is in so why can't he not help ot the biggest and most respected team in scotland to show an example to other countries and smaller teams........... oh wait he doesn't really care about this country except for power lol. loyal lad {Ed014's Note - Why should he when there are people losing jobs hand over fist?

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Well said ed this tory boy hasnt noticed the state of the economy! Lets not turn this political cause we all know westminister couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery

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Who ye callin a tory boy? GTF! and you csn shove yer comment mate! a know more than you do cos av been hit hard with the economy aswell! and i ain't makin this a political debate type of thing just you remember britain as a whole is sufferin so what's different from salmond doin what the pm is doin? and ed just to clarify, he's not interested in peoples lost jobs etc did you know he's tryin to bring in more romanians in for more work? Al change the subject before the other plonker decides its another touchy subject and at the end of the day i was only makin a comparison not a demand.

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Sorry ed, loyal lad here, don't know if the tory boy comment was about me just want to appologise if it wasn't . {Ed014's Note - All my point was that the Government have more pressing issues than the future of Rangers.They never helped Gretna so why help Rangers out of a mess they have created.It is not the government or Gers fans that caused this.Without getting political either and I don't even live up there but that would be wrong if it happened.Theres no reason they should get involved.

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01 Feb 2012 19:15:53
Have we got any good youth team strikers that could play for the first team? Anyone know?

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Doubt it whyte would have sent him out in loan like everyone else, why was john fleck allowed to leave?

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If he is not still injured then i would give the boy hemmings a game.
jaasblue

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Kane hemmings and Andrew little.

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Kane Hemmings looks not too bad.

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Aye - Ness, Fleck, McMillan, Hutton, oh thats right we either loaned them out or sold them for peanuts

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U17s look good under kernahan, could be a while yet but there's talent there for the future.
Tom

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What about young Kjeld McIntyre?

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Probably sell all the u17s for peanuts aswell when the progress lol

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01 Feb 2012 19:07:20
Maybe I'm just hope here but if whytes wife gets half of his s**t then maybe she will get half of rfc and then sale it to us the fans

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She will get half of what hes got a lot of hot air and no dough

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Never no m8 his wife could probz run us better than he has so far lol

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Correct me if I am wrong didnt SDM offer you the chance to buy into your club years ago and nobody did it. When he offered the chance you were in a much better state than you are now, why would nay normal person throw good money after bad which is what Whyte is doing with Ally. Ally has bought 5-6 players and every one of them is dross so why give him more money. You can all moan about Whyte and SDM but when you had the chance to have a say in your club you didnt take it so now you have to face the consequences.

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01 Feb 2012 18:24:26
why was newcastle not contacted last night after jelly left and asked about a loan for lovenkrands.newcastle signed a new striker last week so he will be even more out the picture than he is now.not the best but would have done a job and is better than nothing,plus the fact he would have jumped at the chance to come back and so would his wife.

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Aye mate agreed ..... an the reason is Craig whytes a c@ck an wouldn't fund for nobody not even a player HIBS could afford for f@ck me . macGER {Ed014's Note -

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Because Whyte wants to have the wage bill as low as possible.

GovanFR

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Ok he was in different when he was here built a reputation of scoring against the manky mob but never was consistant......................... has never managed to hold down a 1st team place at any of his teams so why bring him back cause he said he loved rangers dont think so!!!

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Tell you what give Real Radio a phone, sure Big DJ is out of contract.....what next a deal to get Peter McCloy to replace McGregor, Laudrup out of retirement and lets not forget the Gatusso rumour that keeps coming up,,he is desperate to come back to Rangers......LOL...do me a favour...Lovenkrands was rotten the first time round what makes you tihnk he will be any better 5 years on.....

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01 Feb 2012 18:21:25
thanks to the bbc for exposing graig white ad his finacees

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01 Feb 2012 17:12:12
I live close to ictfc n fort george n its claimed butcher was saying his fairwells,dont no what truth in it tho as a compensation package would have to be agreed,dont think ally will leave ship personaly he made of stronger stuff,and will stick by his club,how many of u true blues on here whyte out do the same,support the club n players n everything else sort itself out,

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Don't talk p!sh ! Fort George is miles from caley park - Terry butchers going nowhere.

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Infact your probably closer to Nairn county football club than you are to caley so away chase yourself ! macGER

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Said butcher earlier

Harry & harry

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What possesses people to sit and make this crap up?,,its a serious character flaw,,now listen get yerself sorted!

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Butcher is a better manager and wouldn't jeopardise his reputation by taking the job he'll b down south soon

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No chance butchers an old head, hes not daft no way he will go to gers just now
ally i love u mate..........walk away.
as they say in tilly f*ckm ( whyte that is)
ally will do well elsewhere no probs with durranty and kenny mcd.

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01 Feb 2012 17:01:56
Firstly Murray promised to sell the club to someone who will take the club forward and has their best interests at heart lies ! The old board warned you about whyte did u listen no we didn't to be honest this should have come as no surprise to anyone. As for having no strikers watch out for Ally throwing big Jig upfront from Sunday !

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Lloyds forced the sale as Alistair Johnston said.

GovanFR

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Big jig?

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Yes agree both are too blame whyte now and murray for puting us in this mess first place..he also mr white that is says losing 10million a year very few clubs make a profit each year

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Sorry mate but murray had his hand forced to the point that he had not control of who the club was sold too.he was told by lloyds tsb to sell to him.this is because murray`s metal company owes lloyds million in debt.he has a lot to answer for but not this.

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I think whyte is doing a great job. He has 1 pound of equity into rangers. He has expanded our markets. As for murray after all the money he invested, to sell the club for 1 pound. He is a true bear

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WAKE UP ALL OF YOU!!! MURRAY caused this. As for the previous board they filled their pockets for years and watched ALL OF THIS UNFOLD.

THEY ALL MAKE ME FU**ING SICK!!!
everyone of them has a part to play in this debacle.

As for Whyte the jury is still out until the case comes, I have serious doubts to his credibility but he did not cause this. if he has borrowed the money being said then I want to know where the fu*k it is.

however STOP FANTASIZING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS BOARD, THEY HAVE SCREWED US ALL.

GDog
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U can't blame murray for it all because I didn't hear any gers fans moaning when the trophies were flooding in along with huge name players.... If you could turn back time would you like to see it all over again or let the other mob win most the championships over the past 20 years.. Tough one

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Ok I don't claim to be a fan of CW, my own gut instinct is that the 24 million from season tickets and the 18 million he kept aside from the sale of the club are to cover the tax case if we lose, which would mean the wage bill would have to be cut further so the club would run on an even keel, but at least debt free. This would mean 3-4 years of bringing in youth and trying to find more players like mervan celik, as well as loans. Thats why so many young players went out on loan, as I believe the club will be forced to use them more next season onwards, so expect the likes of Davis, Mcshagger and co to be sold in the summer. If this is what he's up to, and it's the only thing that makes sense tome, then I would be more than happy to go with that for a few years if it got us debt free and clear of administration. Also I just read Ally no surrender johnstone's comments, and anyone that listens to this fool needs yheir heid checked. It was clear as daylight he was telling porkies. ie he says the Bank were happy with Rangers debt.. NO they weren't. H also said Rangers debt was only 18 million.. No it wasn't, try adding on the small tax bill, money owed for players, neglected stadium as well as one or two other hidden debts during Murray time. If this guy can't be economical with the truth regarding these points, then how much should we trust his opinion... Nivbear.

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Nivbear good sensible post.


GDog
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Well said Nivbear. Murray and the old board have caused this mess. And no I did not complain while the Gazzas and Laudrups were pulling on the famous blue shirt because I believed Murray knew how to run the club, why would'nt I? Now we see the fu*ked up state of our club, and I mean FU*KED UP, we are shouting at Whyte! He is not the problem. He is, I hope, the solution...

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Im not gonna judge CW till after the tax case is sorted. He inherited a sinking ship and i pray whyte knows what he is doin to steady the ship.... Im wanna know how the old board/ accountant didnt see rangers spiralling into this mess if he was meant to be on top of the finances & Bain pocketing crazy money for f*** all. I know we are all suffering from our glory days and its gonna be a long road ahead to get out this mess but i really think we shud judge him after this dark cloud has been lifted from us

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Of course Murray is to blame, obviously none of us were complaining when the trophy room was getting filled to the brim but we didnt know that they were not paying tax or else we might of had something to say.

Mr Blonde

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01 Feb 2012 16:32:46
just a thought we allegedly owe VAT to the tune of 5 million of course wee crook whyte denys this.Strange how none of the jellyfish money was not used for a replacement.See where im going with this,get rid of this wee crook asap as he has no interest in Rangers or helping Coisty

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Offer him £2 to buy the club, that would be a 100% profit for him

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VAT is not the problem, the rest is to do with EBT's, interest, bad debt and repayments - adda zero to your 5million!

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Are you implying that the jelavic money is being used to pay the VAT bill? If that's the case then surely this does help rangers, don't really get your point.

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If i remember/read it right he denied we owe £5million not that we dont owe anything! Maybe then its £4.2million we owe?

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......and how do you suppose we get rid of him?

TTG

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Whyte is sneaky! He has stated Rangers do not owe £5m in VAT, but it could be a play on words that we maybe owe £4.9m not £5m. This man cannot be trusted!

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Please get this 4.2M or 4.*M or 5M out of your heads this club is now in Financial Ruin you will be lucky if the 5M covers penalty clauses inserted for payment defaulst and failures - please understand 50M is more realistic. Whyte will be safe though as he is an assured Creditor meaning that if and when the Club closes then he may secure assetts dependant on whether liquidation or administration and he has no reason to make payments getting all his investment back when the ends up worthless and has to set up and Trade as a New Club under Scottish Football or perhaps England!! This is the end.

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The 4 or 5 million were talking about is the VA T on the season ticket repayment and seperate from the tax case

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The point i was making is that we are robbing peter to paul ie we are stuffed

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01 Feb 2012 16:21:33
Alot of good free agents out there,maybe pick up a couple that will do a job but for feck sake lets move quick,and injurys and we are even more fecked than we already are.

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Definetly need that Bruins boy, Jaager and possibly a striker if there is one that is a free agent !

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And why have these players not been signed by other teams ? Use our young players ,they will be hungrier to prove what they can do than some unwanted player

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What free agents are available

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01 Feb 2012 16:20:12
THIS NEEDS TO GET ONTO THE MAIN PAGE PLEASE!!

I am a rangers season ticket holder of many years. I have recently came on this to ask fans to keep the faith. . . .. however its now came to a time where we need to save out club before bawbag white drives it into the wall...

There has to be some way of stopping this nonsense and get this club in the right hands instead of this idiot.

I have heard today that whyte isnt actually a rangers fan after all . .. this makes me think that more than ever that administration looms as this will be the way whyte makes his money (another shady deal)

Im a business man myself and would never contemplate some of the business deals that mr whyte has done over the years.

There are millions of rangers fans around the world there must be something we can do to get this club back to where it should be

NEED IDEAS PEOPLE!!!!!!!

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Too late for that ,the info was out there u lot just did not want to believe it.

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Ask Fergus McCann to take over and replicate what he did for Celtic .

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Every season ticket holder pays 10 pounds (and non season ticket holders are optional) and they are entered into a draw to win a match shirt signed by the squad of that day. they get the shirts free, a pen is free, and a frame is cheap, even if 5000 fans every game did it, that would be 50k just from stadium sales, and if they had an online entry form, more may do it. also, start ebaying signed memorabilia like signed shirts and stuff. make a lot of money doing that.

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Be surprised if there were millions of fans m8. Tax case will take care of itself, nothing we can do until outcome known.

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It's a sad state of affairs granted and the financial climate has everyone by the goolies but if every fan put in a couple of quid who knows?

The thing that gets to me is that we were promised the world shortly after the takeover, and we've been left wilch heehaw. How can we go from bidding £3mil for Juhaz, 2 for Verhoek and 2 for Goodwillie simultaneously to not being able to afford a 5k a week freebie who plays in a much needed position? Something stinks.

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Buisness man my ass.what he's doin is text book take over of a cash strapped company.

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I would be willing to put in £10.,$£20 or even £50 if there was a fund going and if everyone else did ? WIZARD

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I think the problem now is the fans do not trust whyte if he was to raise money from the support , he seems to set up companies to rob peter to pay paul.If you vote with your feet the team suffers if you go on as we are the product suffers after all football is an entertainment .sadly i wouldnt buy a second hand car off him .

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One word m8 ? MONEY

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If every rangers fan in the world donated £20, i think that would sort it all out, problem is that would fall into hands of whyte too.

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Maybe too extreme, but we start a membership scheme gathering 100,000 members. Each member pays £500 one off payment. This generates £50M. Wait for the outcome of the case and then we buy the club and run it ourselves. Simples.

Zikos.

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Haha millions around the world. Try Scotland and North Eastern Ireland. Yaz made yours beds yaz can sleep in it.

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I would love too see a share issue where the fans own the majority of the club just like Barcelona. They vote presidents in every 3/4 years and have a say on how the club is run. If we escape this we can NEVER allow this mess too happen again it could take 5 years to regain after this season if we go into administration.

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If 10,000 fans put together £500 pounds each month we could have £5 Million pounds each month for the club, i dont understand how much it costs to run the club but i do remember (correct me if i am wrong) Mr Whyte stating that the annual running costs of rangers, which would be wages etc... is around £45 Million a year. 12 x £5 Million would succeed that price with a possible 10 million for transfers and another 5 million for wages? May be a lot to ask but its an idea. {Ed014's Note - £500 per month?Who has that disposable income in this day and age?Plus paying season tickets away games etc.

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If everyone of Yooz donates an empty biscuit tin, then that's a zillion biscuit tins. If yooz peeple then pit a bawbee each in each of said biscuit tins then that's a zillion Baw bees and they will go wi' the zillionaire bawbag that is running yer club!

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What about a winter fete in most villages in ayrshire and lanarkshire, people could contribute bric a brac, have tombola, bring home made baking and the money raised would go to rangers.
Second thoughts, not such a good idea as
Mr wrong would get his hands on the money!

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Couldn't agree more with the post "Buisiness man my ass. What he's doing is text book take over of a cash strapped company". This man will be pissin' himself whilst his current staff and a large number of fans are all in denial. He will strip Rangers of any assets ha can and leave the club far more worse of than before he arrived. The man was invisible until the beeb showed him up for all he's worth. Nothing but a leech who could bury Rangers...Forever.

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SHIRTS R FREE AT IPOX / ask aluko lol
how many more times dose this need to be said

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MR MURRY asked the fans to put money in the answer u gave him was feck you
ploud £50mil into the club as he under wrote the share issue which ment £50mil he could not invest in the club when it was and is badly needed
so if you want to blame any one LOOK IN THE MIRROR
ITS ALL YOUR OWN FAULTS
HAD YOUR CHANCE AND BLEW IT
so to all those shouting about buying /putting£20 ect HOW MUCH DID YOUS PUT IN DURRING THE SHARE ISSUE?
SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THIS TIME WILL BE DIFFRENT!
we r in a resetion even less money about
MUPPETS

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I said this at the time too. rangers fans invested less than £5m. with murray paying £50m, this would mean he had less to spend on players, wages etc.
that was a couple of years ago now and you're starting to see the the results.
the solution to the problem is just to bite the bullet, go into administration, forget about europe for 3 years or whatever, get a new owner (someone with a proven pedigree) and finally, have an independant observer on the board to watch over future dealings.

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ED its worth a shot, if the call came that we had to bail our club out im sure some fans would give their best. Understandable that the current financial climate means the modern man is "skint" but there must be some high-profile fans out there with a spare few bob.

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This could be an option, what about tryin to work somethin out with the 200,000 gers fans that went to manchester all donate 50 quid which would add to 10mill or 100quid which would add to 20mill, or is this an impossible idea? just to make sure this is just a suggestion so please no any negative comments lol cheers bears. (loyal bear)

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Im a liverpool season ticket holder but have a soft spot for rangers as me grandad followed them anyway this whyte sounds a bit like hicks and gillet,you need to start protesting ASAP! and try and get as much dirt on him as possibe hound his e-mails get ex players involved if we can get two yanks out rangers fans can get whyte out have a read of brain reades epic swindle you might get some tips on how to get rid of him.

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After a s**te day at work, reading these comments has cheered me up no end! keep beggin and prostituting urself across the world lads and u might get lucky! ha ha

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01 Feb 2012 16:20:09
People need to give our new star striker, David Healy a break. The boys not the best but he will certainly give 110% ever minute he is wearing a rangers top. That can't be said for half of our team.

Having Healy as our only fit striker is not the best situation, but at this point in time the boy needs all the support he can get. Good support will make him a better player.

He has also scored 3 goals in 3/4 games. Not bad?!

Any thoughts?

Scooby

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Agaisnt a few teams with no one half decent wait until we face f****** celtic.

Bluenose

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I think all the fans want him to do well as he is a rangers man and and as you say he is the only fit strike but he has played 16 times for rangers in the league and has only scored 3 times.poor by anyone`s standards,plus he is injury prone.

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Aye get Derek Parlane back ;) lee

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He needs game time. he holds the front line well, and personally i think with aluko and celik, he will do well. not all doom and gloom! get behind the queens 11. no surrender! so long as the first 11 are rangers men, they will deliver the title. 4-0 against hibs is not the sign of a team struggling. just wait. 1-4 points behind celtic is nothing at this stage of the season.... remember the last 3 years! WATP

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We have played septic twice this season and deserved to lose none of the games, although we did get beat one of the games, celtic are nothing speacial

john c

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01 Feb 2012 16:06:26
Ed, please post this! Yes there will be a protest outside ibrox at 6 but everybody must remember it is a PEACEFUL protest! Spread the word...

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Is that not just some guys standing around in the cold at an empty building? green jhedi

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There was some folk standing outside an empty building with candles last season

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01 Feb 2012 16:04:40
With newspapers, radio stations, internet forums and supporters of Rangers demanding answers, Mr Tight is keeping very quiet. Is there any press release from Rangers like yesterday? Surprising you would think he would tell us something. Also more according to Johnstone? What else could actually be worse than the state of our club right now. We deserve the truth

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01 Feb 2012 15:59:11
I love the way the new RFC website keeps us all up to date with how well the lads that we have out on loan are doing....."heres what we should of had" Knobs

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01 Feb 2012 15:23:21
What would the issues be with (if worst case scenario actually happens) with us, the fans buying rangers. With shares limited to one person so that everyone has an equal say in how the club is run. With elections and maybe poling on issues such as ticket prices etc. This way we would be in control ourselves and not dependant on anyone. We could make all the important decisions ourselves.

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There is no season book money to control unless the debt with ticketus is cleared.A takeover bill is rising and rising mate.Sorry to say this but its just not feasible.

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If everyone in the stadium could afford £1000, that's be £40M to start with, but then we'd need a wealthy benefactor from Russia/India/Malaysia/China to manage with the running costs - but we should be using Murray Park to it's full potential pushing the young lads into the team quicker instead of hardly playing them at all

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David Murray led two share issues, neither was successful the second issue raised only 290k of new investment.Where would the money for tax and debt bills one from once we had purchased Whyte s shares? Or is he sorts it then we buy them ha there not irony in this? He makes us a laughing stock,lies to us etc etc then we line his pockets? That would not sit right with me!!

If,once Whyte sells, the new owner decides he wants to float a % of his shares , a la mccann, then that's a different story in my eyes.


Til then its out if utopia and into reality I'm afraid! The biggest question I have at the minute us - is Whyte even bothered about saving the club? is there enough value for him,as a major creditor, to simply claim though administration and get land or the likes? Basically what I'm saying is he has used not a bean if his own cash, how much could he make by not saving us? I don't know where to start with trying to work that out!


What ye think.?

Jim jar 3iar

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I agree, we could easily get about 200,000 members and there could be different tiers of membership. The richest people could pay more. Minimum membership fee being something like £8 a month, the working capital investment each season would be massive.

GovanFR

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I know what you mean, i too would hate to line whytes pockets. But to me he doesn't seem like a big fish. I bet if someone or some group offered to buy the club and he made a couple of million out of the deal then he would jump ship. I also believe the reason david murray's share issue didn't work was because it was for watered down shares. There was no real value in it. For example, if you bought £1000 of shares then how much return would you have seen from whyte? Heehaw I would imagine. This would be different it would be a private run company, run by members.

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HERE WE GO AGAIN every body put in £**** rangers have had share issues as statrd earlier RAISED HEHAW we r in a resetion all the gd will in the world wont raise money
for all those sugesting such a ludicrus idea HOW MUCH DID YOU INVEST IN THE LAST 2 SHARE ISSUES?

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01 Feb 2012 15:18:31
ed if we go into administration, will we go out of business or is that liquidation. cheers {Ed014's Note - Administration does not mean you go out of business,liquidation does.

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Both motherwell and dundee twice have went into admin.. and they are both still here.. we just need to get the creditors to agree to how much in everypound they get back...

but thinking as we have no striker and not much depth to the squad just now, we have more or less handed celtic this title,. we should maybe think of going into admin now and taking the 9 point decustion now, that way we would still finish second,

and not have a 9 point deduction at the start of next season, i would much rather hand celtic 1 title instead of 2, if it means our club survives

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Why do rangers fans think that if they go into administration the only consequence is a 10pt deduction?

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01 Feb 2012 15:16:57
hi ed have heard alot of talk of a peaceful protest tonight at 6 jus wondered if any1 is planning to attend? Could you post this on the main page please thanks. {Ed014's Note - If you looked down the page it has already been posted.

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On my way . This t**t needs to see we are the People.

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01 Feb 2012 14:12:48
Rumour has it Ally has resigned, press conference at Ibrox later today!

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Rumour has it your full of pipe s!it ! macGER

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What time is this press conference at...rumours floatin last nyt tht it was 11 today

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Was in at ibrox at 1.30 no sign of any journalists cameras etc don't think it is anything other than a rumour

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Derek Johnston said that he would never resign now but maybe at the end of the season.

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Ed, can you put an end to these rumours once and for all, Has Coisty resigned and press conference where's the source. {Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware they are nothing but rumours.}

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I've heard a few folk saying they THINK he'll walk and I agree (and so he should IMO). Theres only so much the guy can take being Whytes scapegoat. But that's different from it actually happening. Any source? This would not surprise me one bit. Super Ally is Rangers to the core and he must be hurting at the state of things.

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Where did you hear this rumour ?? Wouldn't blame him

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Get a grip if he resignd this would b breakn news on sky sports, get ur heed oot yer a*se

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I am only saying what i heard mate, 4pm today was what i heard!

I am a Rangers fan i am not trying to stir sh*t, i wouldn't blame Ally for walking, he hasn't had a fair crack of the whip and who in their right mind would replace him with the state we're in at the moment!

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Mccoist in a rangers legend a rangers man to the core, he would rather go down with the ship than resign,

he might hate whats happening to the club and being a scapgoat (as we the fans hate seeing him suffering like this).

but i still dont see him walking away, especially as he will know that the fans will be supporting him and the players, even if they dont support the chairman,

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Well, it's after 4pm now and you are officially a sh@t spreader !! What would be the point in deserting his squad when they need him most? There is still a title to be won !!

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4.22pm where I am all seems quiet, surprise surprise

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The rumour I heard was the Ally has walked - with Billy Davies replacing him. Source was Derek Ferguson. We'll just have to wait and see. As others have said, wouldn't blame Ally at all for walking. I'm not a Rangers fan, but I respect what he has done - all things considered.

I think he revealed a bit about Whyte last week, by saying sell Jelavic then to give him time to get a replacement - kind of hinting that he knew that it wouldn't happen and that Whyte would do what he done and leave it until it was too late.

Whyte has been shown for what he really is - a con man.

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No chance he will resign after all this is Super Allys dream job, Whyte in my opinion is trying to turn the fans on Ally, 6 left no one came in we are saving 50k+ a week on wages and Whyte doesnt allow any players to come in? This happens either A if the board doesnt trust/rate/want the manager or B if we already have enough in the team. Clearly B is not true as we lack players upfront and ai do think A is the real reason we wont see Ally incharge next season!

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Still no news on Ally, somehow can't see it.

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Guys it's a rumour website, people come here to post rumours whether there's any truth to them or not, just because we post what we have heard on the net or anywhere else doesn't make us s**t stirrers!

If you don't like hearing rumours then your coming to the wrong site mate!

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If it's true I'll be sorry but I can see his point, he's being made a fool off and deserves better, just hope he doesn't sign up to say nothing, as we need to be told the truth.

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I heard neil Lemon phoned ali to say dont resign Ive just learned how to beat your tactics and if you get replaced Ill start losing again and bang goes my mortgage .whose the boyscout?

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01 Feb 2012 14:04:09
Rangers will enter administration within 4 weeks as credit extensions have dreid up (hence no new signings)....club are in serious trouble adn Rangers FC as we know it will not exist by end of season....new club, with new name and NO HONOURS (those stay with the current club) will start next season, from Div 3 (unless they start in Englands lower tier and work up).

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Source or speculation?

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Behave yourself. Until the judges gavel rings through the court and we are ordered to pay HMRC their dues, we are Still Rangers FC the most successful club in history.

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Absolute nonsense. Nothing factual in any of the above.

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Get yer facts right :Administration is a very powerful process for control, where a company is insolvent and facing serious threats from creditors. The Court may appoint a licensed insolvency practitioner as Administrator, this places a moratorium around the company and stops all legal actions.A pre pack administration sale is a powerful, legal way of selling the business on to a third party, a "newco" or to the existing directors if the business is facing serious problems and creditor threats.
The main advantages of prepack administrations is continuity of the "business" and when the plan is ready and a contract of purchase is drawn up, the company is quickly protected by the Court while the administrator sells the "business and assets" (not the actual company) to the new owners. This gets rid of debts, unwanted or onerous contracts and employees.

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Aye behave yourself. Administration does not mean the end of the club as a going concern. It means serious cutbacks and we will lose our best players and most valuable assets to the highest bidders. HMRC and other suitors seeking to recover debt will recieve a fraction of what they are owed and once the administrators are satisfied you will see the real money men queuing up to take control of the club without having millions of debt to pay off. We will be the same club with the same name, we won't be relegated to any lower division but we will however be deducted points. This could be anywhere from 10-25 points. This has been the plan all along, David Murray behind it and Whyte is merely the middle man to 'take the hit'. This season is a write off but we will be back bigger, stronger and more powerful than ever next season. WATP

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We will not go into div 3! Load of rubbish. If rangers go into div 3... no tv deal for spl therefore everyone will go down.

Cheerio timmy!

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Is this opinion or fact? Sounds like a pessimistic opinion to me mate. Any source?

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The above is complete nonsense especially tthe part about starting again in the lower divisions of england.

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Ok guys Celtic supporter come In peace if or when u go into administration all fines, debts and bills are frozen and the administrator steadies the ship to try and start you making money again, when he is satisfied that is the case and you are ready to cone out of administration you still have to repay your debts ALL of them. Now you could be in administration for weeks or years, but if you survive then you will be on a strong financial base. If you go into liquidation everything you have is sold and the business folds. Now I for one have laughed at you and think you deserve to be punished for abusing the tax system but I truly hope you do not disappear. I hope you come out the other side ok. Oh and good luck ally you deserve better. A concerned Bhoy

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End up in england? work your way up to premiership?even if u did a won the league there would be no europe.same with swansea etc

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Get real mate, they wouldn't take us in their 4th div. we haven't enough money

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01 Feb 2012 13:53:17
ok we're up sh*t creek but we still have a paddle so lets use it.
Jaager is still available as he is out of contract . Same goes for Riordan, so there must be more reasonably good players in that position too.
Lets get these two in for now and let Ally look at who else is available. There is also a decent Cameroon player on trial without a club, although we didn't get anyone in last night, the ones talked about were no great shakes anyhow.
One point behind isn't that bad, so keep believing :o)

Wee Bill

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This is all fair and well, but did the board not tell him there was no money to bring anybody in???
daveG

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One point Behind + tax case, WHYTE not paying vat since he arrived let's make that max -25points or at least -10 + when we win game in hand you's could be -29 or - 14. I hope that's a big paddle. In craig WHYTE we trust. Bigirishmac

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I heard the cameroon boy left after 20 minutes yesterday.

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It is an absloute no brainer to offer Riordan a contract. He is sitting without a club, can play left mid or up front, he's a prolific SPL goalscorer and he can hit a decent free kick. Offer the guy a deal ffs!

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And what are you going 2 pay them with?.......Ginger bottles?

there aint no money for toilet cleaners let lone footballers.

Doom 4u lot...HH

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I know beggers can't be choosers but is Derek Riordan really the sort of player we want/need at Ibrox?

The adverse headlines that the guy is capable of producing is something our club could do without.

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It's good that the're are some positive supporters out the're forget protests and face reality rangers have been in massive financial difficulties for many years due to crazy spending on players ,sdm Bain Johnstone greig McIntyre mcclelland king Murray all part of previous board who sanctioned spending are they not culpable ,Craig whyte only person to step up to the plate inherits massive tax problems and buys club for a quid and pays 18 million debt from his own business 7 players signed last summer ,stadium spruced up ,tax case ongoing if rangers are going to survive and overcome 10 million gap between income and expenditure belt needs to be tightened .euro exit ,league cup exit ,surrender of 15 point lead lies at the manager and players door,not Craig whytes to all true bluenoses keep the faith get behind the team if we lose tax case administration follows that would also have happened under the previous board .forget protests unless they are against the old board ,forget the gutter anti rangers media ,forget Celtic supporters taunts let us band together and see this through united we stand divided we fall

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I'm trying to stay positive mate but I'm struggling now. Guys going to Celtic instead of Rangers, rumours that HIBS are sniffing around our trialists with contract offers that we cannot afford to give out, players coming on trial and not even spending enough time in scotland to pass wind before running down to England for trials with EPL teams, indians coming and going, hondurians coming and going, targets who are not realistic or likely (Grant Holt for example). Jaager, Riordon or anybody else will not be in a Rangers shirt any time soon. Diddies like Whittaker are consuming valuable cash on high end contracts and we are broke mate.

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Its not that we can't afford transfer fees, we can't afford wages either. So lets stick with what we've got. If Ally wants to become a good manager then he will need to become a good coach first. Make the decent players that we have into good players. Anyone can win the league when you have the best squad, but good managers can win championships even when the chips are down. And to the above poster, celtic might win this year but that just goes to show you that celtic need rangers to have both hands tied behind their back and to be blindfolded before you can win.

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What part of NO MONEY do you not understand??

disnae matter who is in or out of contract....NO MONEY.

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Agree with Wee Bill to an extent that, yes there are players who we could sign on a free (Jaager, Muslimovic, Bruijns, Riordan if the fans would accept him) but the point on the 'decent Cameroon player'. How much do you honestly think Ally knows about him? He plays for Crystal Palace Baltimore for godsake, not in the MLS or even a team close to the MLS. Same with Claros, Uchebo and the Indians. PR stunts by Russell to get a fanbase outwith Scotland. Why was McKay signed, or Bedoya for that matter when they're clearly not good enough if they're never in the squad? I'd be extremely surprised if Coisty knows about any of these foreign lads (outwith the Europeans) that we've had on trial, because clearly they aren't good enough.

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Dont you think if we had any money(FOR WAGES OR TO BUY) it would have been done by now!!

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I fully understand all the comments but i'm thinking more of cover in the event of even more long term injuries. Yes there is little or no money, but if you look at the squad we now have, we need to try to cover a couple of positions for the reason I mentioned above. Surely we could find a way of getting them in for the rast of this season ?
Wee Bill

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01 Feb 2012 13:51:23
Important we focus on the youth development of the club according to our Chairman/great idea Craig its just that we dont just use Jordan McMillan as an example. We sell him to Dunfermline because you suggest that he wont sign a new contract,are we to believe that as a known Rangers supporter he is happy to go to Dunfermline and earn less money.
Wonder why?well not really he went because he knew that at 23 he was never going to get a regular game.
Whittaker in front of him/perhaps?
Broadfoot a joke
Bartley uncomfortable in this position
Blind man can see it
Give some of these young guys a serious chance and just perhaps we might just ride out the financial challenge

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Couldnt agree more! Why would McMillan a Gers fan go elsewhere. Its now time to give the young lads a chance. Look at Falkirk ffs!

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I didn't know Craig whyte picked the team is it not ally that is refusing to play younger players

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McMillan is 23 or 24. He is no longer a youth player - he wasn't good enough thats why he left.

Good luck to the lad

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At 23 if he hasn't broken into the first team there is a reason why. I'm all for giving the younger guys a go, as we are going to have to but I am more annoyed at Fleck going after a couple of decent displays and hutton away aswell.

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If the sh1t was to hit the fan then in an ideal work fans would get behind the club and if most of the high earners were sold and kids like hutton , ness , ect were put in the team then the fans would support them and things would eventually get better.

BUT do you remember the treatment the fans gave to young lads such as Maurice Ross , Bob Malcolm and charlie Adam. These young guys were hounded out of Ibrox by the so called fans,

CJM

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Problem is that the Youth Developement set up has been sold off and now when a young player has played 10 games then Rangers have to actually buy them. Thats why no one can break through. This has been in operation from 2006. Check it out.

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01 Feb 2012 13:45:10
during all this talk of dissent i have yet to hear the uproar of no europe this year,why? this will have a crippling effect on rangers finances,could it be admin is a certainty before the tax case?

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Craig Whyte has said on the Rangers official website (as did Mr Murray before him) that the club does not account for receiving money from participation in the Champions League. In my opinion this makes good financial sense. You can't rely on money you are unsure will be coming or not.

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01 Feb 2012 13:44:09
What is the point in having a youth academy,no wonder lots of people think it does not produce players,when most of them do not get a chance.
Bendiksen better than Ortiz/Bedoya
Fleck better than Ortiz/Bedoya
McMillan better than Broadfoot/Whittaker?
Hutton not really given a chance either
Ness we know is better than most in midfield/injury issues
Perry on the odd occasion has looked good when used
Most of these guys if they had been used would have allowed us to spend what limited funds we had on bringing in strikers,which appears to be one area we dont appear to be able to bring through the youth ranks.

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The Youth academy was sold in 2006 and now Rangers have to buy players from it after 10 first team games. Hence the reason for releasing the youngsters. Cant afford them

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01 Feb 2012 13:40:19
the details of 2nyts protest seem to be 2nyt at 6 outside ibrox stadium. Its a protest against craig whyte and his shambolic lies and his overall running of the club

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6 yea and 12 before dundee utd gme

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Il be there! a;ll REAL fans should be there!

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Real fans support their club in it's time of need. Murray's regime cause this and Whyte is trying to stabalise.

Had Whyte not taken over the club We would not have been able to offer new contracts to Davis/McGregor or any other player. Never mind purchasing Goian/Bocanegra/Celik/Aluko and loaning Bartley.

Where would be not if Murray was still the owner.

Gone

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I need to know for sure if this really happening as i live a good 2 hrs from ibrox but if its on i would like to lend my voice to my fellow bears concerns.
but i would like to see where this is being organised from aS im not going to be standing there with my family ALONE?

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Not all Rangers fans support this protest, what are the objectives?to get mister Whyte out?then what?

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01 Feb 2012 13:38:24
Protest at Ibrox tonight 6pm
Lets make a good presence get this c@nt whyte on his knees like he's doing to
Our hero and legend Super Ally. I don't think Ally will quit he'll stick this out till the end. No surrender
Ryzabear

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I agree with this protest if it means getting Whyte out then so be it its sad that its come to this but if the protest is a success and Whyte leaves then great stuff we then can get a new owner in and start getting back to normal it may take sometime but we will get there

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Who the f*** is going to buy into this mess?

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01 Feb 2012 13:31:25
two protest rallies being held by rangers fans this week, one tonight at 6p.m ibrox and the other at 12 p.m b4 the dundee united game (copy paste and spread the news) ED pls post or help us spread the news of a friendly protest to save Rangers from this con man

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01 Feb 2012 13:27:58
what happened to the press confrence between 101-12 today

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10-12 lol sorry

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Later 2day mate

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01 Feb 2012 13:27:03
bet everyone who rubbished o'connor, sandaza, boyd ect,ect are wishing at least one of them joined last night. healy!! thats it, one fit striker and its david f*****g healy!! anyone know if we have any decent young guys even that could come in? hemmings? is mcabe a striker?
j1985

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Kai Naismith is supposed to be a great prospect. Him and Kane Hemmings were banging them in for the reserves.

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Has everyone forgot about kyle lafferty??

he will be our main striker when he is fit.

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Ive seen naismith a number of times hes still young but looks very average,mc cabe plays centre mid hes decent what we will do is play either aluko or mervan up top wi healy but he cant expect us to have no more injuries b4 end of season,bartley played up front as a teenager thats prob his next move lol

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Kai naismith is on loan at thistle

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I like big laff but he is injured far too often. time to see these young lads get a crack at it. if wee naismith was close to a return id be optimistic bit cant help but feel the league is celtics. healy wont get enough goals to help us retain the title imo.
j1985

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Andy Little - fit ready to rock.

Kane Hemmings - back to full training next week.

Lafferty - 3 weeks.

Celik/Aluko Can do us a turn up there in the meantime.

Doom and gloom my erchie - this league is ours for the taking

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01 Feb 2012 13:15:18
ED - CAN YOU MAKE SURE THIS GOES ON THE MAIN PAGE.

FELLOW BEARS, as we are know well aware we are being taken for a ride by the rats that are within our very own club, the same rats who have claimed to have the clubs best interests at heart but do not have the decency to actually tell us what is going on. The Jelavic fiasco was so obviously delayed so we had an excuse not to sign anyone.
Not paying a penny and taking on trialists is the hallmark of an amateur club. But we are a great club with great fans which is managed by a great; one of our own but sadly we are being ran by an amateur conman.

LETS WHYTE-OUT IBROX on Sunday.
By this I mean let's get everyone wearing White in some capacity, will look very bizarre at IBROX but we need to make a stance, that WE WANT WHYTE OUT, I am going to try get this to the masses via facebook and twitter. I will ensure everyone knows of the protests. We are, domestically, the most successful club in the world, we are Glasgow Rangers, we do not accept this.

We are the people.
W. Alexander

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All i can say is GOOD LUCK!!!

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Grow up you complete balloon.

Craig Whyte has inherited a club that was placed into financial ruin by members of the previous board.

The one`s that are in the press now slating the clubs position are the same ones` that caused it.

Craig Whyte has told you the need for tightening the purse strings, and he is using financial acumen way above your limited inlelligence.

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You have to accept it. It is reality. We all have to accept that, we are now a laughing stock and any pretence that we are still a great club is laughable. Accept incidentally does not mean we cannot change it, but the first step to change is acceptance of the problem. WATP stands for We Are The Paupers at the moment, not nice but REALITY often isn't.

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U want to force him out by wearing white ? As in White to surrender. Surely the we arra people mob don't want to b seem to surrender. As Justin timberlake says IM LOVIN IT !!!

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Leave the guy alone! You are the one acting like a balloon. Whyte has serious questions to answer. Im no idiot and I heard him say things in interviews (ie he made promises) that havent materialised. Open your eyes!

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Couldn't agree with the manky man above more! Surely we should wear black or even green! But not white that could be conceived as support for captain coco bananas!

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To the guy that said whyte inherited this from previous board is right, but whyte is tearing pour club apart so shut your mouth!

J

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What the f**K is wearing white at ibrox gonna do?? Craig Whyte is a smart man with celtic's best intentions at hart and will be there much longer than wee Ally. I've heard he was never wanted and as soon as he goes far enuff behind the hoops he's getting the boot for Billy Davis.

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The best thing to do would be a mass walk out during the game....i know its drastic but im sure that would get the point across....and im not talking about the subway loyal

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As much as the walkout would send out the biggest message, I personally wouldn't go for it. We need to get behind the manager and the squad, because quite frankly no one else is. To the "way above your intelligence" poster, it is very easy to write on a forum and try to sound well informed to slate others but maybe you should realise we need to stand together and open our eyes as to what is going on. We never surrender, WHYTE-OUT is about making a statement as a group that we will not tolerate this. No one has a clue what is going on. If Whyte was acting in good faith surely it would be in his best interests to keep us, the fans, aware of the situation. How many well respected figures have walked away from the club now? I was very supportive at the start especially during the initial smear campaign on Whyte but what has he actually delivered on? Not much with regard to statements made.

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Ed(s), what are your thoughts on this? And the ideas in this post?

Cheers

William Alexander {Ed001's Note - I just don't understand what you hope to achieve? Until you set out a definite aim, there is no point protesting.}

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01 Feb 2012 12:28:49
Heard ally chucking it on Friday good source on times

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Someone in my said the same. Wouldn't surprise me, ally getting treated like s**te fae whyte and the media.

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I too have heard this from an ex player, sad times if it does happen although I can't blame him, craig whyte has not backed him what so ever

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Whatever. Coisty will stay. Sick of negative posts!

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Sick of negative posts - you are having a laugh !. i don't normally post but sick of fans just accepting whts happening to our club. Why wouldn't ally resign. He goes to the board with a list of replacements for jelavic - none are followed up. He has been forced to sign players (mckay) and watch murray park become a tourist attraction. This must be killing him. Would not be suprised if he left, he is a proud man.i heard a few months ago that BILLY DAVIS was next boss and looks like whyte is working Ally out the door, but doesn't have the B***S. Six players out in the window and one in. Doesn't add up with an already thin squad.

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01 Feb 2012 12:45:05
can anyone confirm if ther will be protest tonight at ibrox, if so please post details.i will be there if ther is one.

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Yes mate, after 6pm tonight

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6oclock me thinks..

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Look we are skint end off, Murray, Bain, Clelland all took massive salaries and knew about the tax issue... Craig Whyte was the only man standing. Instead of demonstrating start supporting the team, need it more than ever

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I'll see you there, spread the word!

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Im in! whyte is tearing our club apart, we support the team not some conman!

j

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01 feb 2012 12:11:19
whyte you are more
of a danger to our
club the celtic are.
what is smith doing.
have bain back in a
heartbeat.
mcoist will go and i
dont blame him .

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Bain back in a heartbeat..........ok timmy

les

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01 Feb 2012 12:02:53
please answer

if the club goes to the wall and gets liquidated. all the players are free agents and the stuff will be sold to the highest bidder. but what happens to ibrox stadium. if the club restarts under a new name can we still play there.

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Ibrox is an asset and it or the land it is on will be sold as well.

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It's an asset it will be sold to the highest bidder. Although I'd imagine whyte must be using ibrox as collateral for the £25,000,000 from ticketus as they wouldn't be giving him that amount when a club is in danger of goin into administration. So it would be there's to do as they wished with.

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We would need to either buy back or lease the stadium from the main creditors/administrators. It's basically the same as the bank would do if you don't pay the mortgage, they reposess then sell on to the highest bidder to get their money back.

Although, I doubt this will happen because I imagine the CW's loans to Rangers is secured against the stadium.... as such if admin comes, he would keep the stadium.

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It depends who owns it, I don't think rfc plc do.

GovanFR

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And what happens if you've just forked out £500 for your season ticket? Pay again? Cant see season tickets being renewed with all this uncertainty. I wont!

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Remember bud, glasgow rangers isn't the official rangers name so if had to happen then we could come back as officially Glasgow Rangers Football Club. and sorry mate couldn't tell you about ibrox.

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Relax, the club will not go to the wall or into liquidation. Don't pay attention to the scare stories of the Daily Retard.
We will go into administration within a matter of weeks, this has been the plan all along by David Murray and Craig Whyte who has always only been a middle man to 'take the hit'. His company will make money out of our assets, we will be deducted 10 points, HMRC get nowhere near what they want, the overall debt is cleared. Only then will the genuine money men come in to buy the club without having to pay off millions in debt.

This season is a write off Bears and a tough few months lie ahead but fear not the Gers will bounce back bigger, stonger and more powerful than ever.

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The club will not be liquidated. No one know's how much the tax bill is. (that's if we lose the tax battle) The media are just filling everyone's head with horse s**t. Till the day the verdict is called sometime in march, we'll just get on with what we do best. Winning trophies!!

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Is Ibrox not owned by the John Lawrence Trust or MIH I dont think rangers plc own it meaning it cant be touched should we go in to administration.
Ed do you know anything about this? {Ed001's Note - I am pretty sure (99%) that Rangers do not own it.}

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Till the verdict in march youll keep winning trophies, there aint no trophies for you this year. no one knows how much the tax bill is, its 50m. some of you lot are going delusional, that means crazy.

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Rangers go into administration ! where's the dignity in that ? What arrogance filled incompetence was running the club ? How could they get away with it ? Simple the media knew they just were more scared of Murray than the truth.

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Ibrox stadium is owned by Rangers FC. Rangers Football Club are tenants of Rangers FC

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01 Feb 2012 12:01:44
two protest rallies being held by rangers fans this week, one tonight at 6p.m and the other at 12 p.m b4 the dundee united game. Also banners being held aloft during telivised game vs dundee utd at the weekend in protest of craig whytes handling of club affairs. Need to get behind these rallies to get our point across

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Or just support the players and see what the final outcome is at the end of the season and tax case is over and done with

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Is ther definitely a protest tonight mate? a dont want to stoting about govan for nothing? would go if thers defo going to be one though

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You have to be clear as to what you are protesting for! Are you going to protest against a man who is trying to fix a club that has been DESTROYED by the previous board, a man who is under severe constraints from HMRC and idiots like bain who are still trying to take money from the club they apparently love so much? Or are you protesting about being kept in the dark about wots going on? Completly different things!!

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No doubt we will support the players and team that is the whole point of the protest.

A quote from Whytes statement yesterday
''Admittedly, there were transfer targets we did not secure but that is not uncommon. As chairman, I have supported Ally McCoist in his choice of targets and will continue to do so. The timing of Jelavic's departure so late in this window is far from ideal and efforts to improve the squad will continue until the transfer window closes.''

We found that out to be a lie as there were no efforts apart from a bid for a player that everyone knew was not for sale. I am glad our support is now starting to sit up and take notice that this man would rather ruin our club than salvage it.

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01 Feb 2012 11:43:46
to the guy who wrote askin about the protest its happening tonight just after 6 apparently

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Is it 6? Because its 6 months to late?

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01 Feb 2012 11:42:59
where is everyone hearing that there is a rangers press conference today ?!?!?!?!?!

WATP

Scotty

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01 Feb 2012 11:42:31
if this whyte borrowed on the strenth a 4 season sticket sales to aquire rangers dootball club surely anyone could have done this ie, dave king ,paul murray etc and were has this money gone ie, this years season ticket money 2 european ties, chelsea, liverpool glamour friendlys haf to bye tickets, scottish cup game versus dundee utd all season ticket holders had to bye tickets for these games oh bye the way what has ellis brought to the table another crook.

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Wages - namely guys like Whittaker, who by the way, should have had his contract torn up after his behavior in a crucial game financially. Still can't believe we knocked back a transfer fee for him, apparently he was one of our 4 main players. Laughable really

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Wit 4 this season and the money fae the jelavic sale and the wages saved from the players leaving and loaned out, weir, ortiz,mcmillan,fleck jelavic, hutton must be at least 40 grand aweek there m8.

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Do you think we have no expenses ? how much do you think we make with these friendlies and you think chelsea/liverpool come up for free ? all this money doesnt even cover the day to day running of the club...
FauldsRFC

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Remember the players have already been paid wages weekly or monthly 4 these games in between spl games .

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After paying these teams expences the sale of tickets , programmes kiosk sales etc still profit.

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1st post bang on the money. whittaker is a disgrace, he cost us 16 million.

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Get your head out whytes arse m8 him and his merry men are f***ing us big time watch in good time proven to be aka( Robin hood).

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01 Feb 2012 11:41:34
any strikers who are free agents we still could get, who has a list?

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Wishful thinking but don't see it happening ! we lost Jorge claros to hibs ? if that doesn't say anything i don't know what will

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Me! Then again,unsure if they cud afford me! :)

PTE

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The most obvious one is Derek Riordan. What have we got to lose? Can play up front or left mid, a prolific SPL goalscorer and can hit a free kick. It makes no sense not to offer him a deal!

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01 Feb 2012 11:40:41
Sad to see the Supporter clubs and the Rangers Assembly of supporters sitting being quiet
They are supposed to be there to push the fans view to the club and with everything happening they should be demanding access to the club to get information for us all.
Should be looking for our supporters with money to stand up and start a supporters trust to buy the club using our money in the correct manner
Does any rangers fan have an idea of hoe to get rid of this situation we are in , but not involving any of the previous board as they did not look after the club either when they were there.
They are all moaning now because they lost there easy money position ie directors getting millions for the team bonus in winning the league

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Wee want to believe you mr.white.sue the b.b.c. sue the daily record.the truth will come out. old bob.

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You can only sue someone when they have libelled you i.e. told lies, the fact that Whyte isn't doing that must surely tell even the most disbelieving fans that these stories are TRUE.

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01 Feb 2012 11:31:01
This is a stab in the dark. But a while back it was rumoured that Murray sold the club to Whyte, so he could be the fall guy. When Rangers went into Admin or prevailed from the tax case, what ever the outcome, Murray would step in and buy back Rangers for a lower price. The Tax Man wouldn't be able to hold Whyte creditable because he has no creditable assets, where as Murray has MIH. Also admin would see the tax owed slashed in price. By Whyte be deemed as a bad guy, it would mean Murray could swoop back in with the excuse that Whyte was killing his beloved club, rather than come straight back in after the tax case for HMRC to say "why did you just all of a sudden come back after the tax case finished".

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Heard something similar but it wasn’t Murray who was coming in.

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HMRC would still ask awkward questions

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It's a dream isnt it. Its probably the only way he could come back for me, otherwise, it continues to hurt when I say this and I have said often, Murray has caused all of this, along with the board who are giving their pathetic opinion without taking responsibility. I include Greig in this also. They are all pathetic.

I was fully prepared to give this man Whyte a chance. I still want him to prove most of us all wrong, but I'm slowly being worn down by all of the mess that is building up. Too many school boys errors are being made for there to be some 'Master Plan'. Coming out publicly and stating that Bain will not work at Rangers again, was inexcusable. The threat to sue the BBC was cringe worthy. I couldn't give a toss if he was banned for 7 years, however his handling of this was poor.The latest on the borrowing is really quite disturbing, not just why, but WHERE IS THE MONEY?

GDog
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Celtic Fan - I come in peace!
This is something I heard on Monday night after a chat I had with James Grady, (know him through his son and my brother playing for the same team) this has always been the plan, question is what would Whyte gain by taking the club to administration?

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Did he not sell the club for 1 pound is he buing it back for less? Then surley anyone could afford it, why dont rangers fans stand up put their money where their mouth is and buy the club themselves. Surley if every season ticket holder put in either £1500 or £2000 the club would be safe and could be run the way they see fit? {Ed014's Note - Not every season ticket can afford that kind of money.And unless it was a buy out why should they.If what the press are saying is true,and there must be some truth or Whyte would sue,the season ticket for this year and the next few years isn't even going to The Gers.If a new owner came in he would need to clear the debt with Ticketus as well now.

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Why talk to james grady?
what would he ever know about the goings on between taxman/rangers/whyte?
he is a celtic fan and ex-mediocre player.

just stay on your own page and talk about your own teams news.

every single report on this website is pure speculation(rumour).

nobody has the hotline to whyte, murray , smith or mccoist or they heard something from this ex player or whoever.

yes there is a problem but what company doesn't.
there has to be a change somewere along the line and unfortunately it is now for us.

the times of splashing out millions on a human being to play football especially in scotland is finished for rangers
it wont be any different if mccoll, hunter park,murray,king -anyone else took over.

lets all face the facts and support the team, ally and his team and every supporter that wants to do well.

WATP..

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Fans putting £1500-£2000 R U having a laugh ? remeber the share issue ? Fans NOT BUYING SHARES is wht put rangers in this position in the first place! Murry asked fans to help and ended up paying over £50 mil himself SO THAT LEFT £50 MIL HE COULDNT INVEST IN RANGERS
so stop blameing WHYTE/MURRY/MCCOIST
LOOK IN THE MIRROR THATS WHR THE BLAME LIES

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F*** off, the fans pay a fortune in season tickets and for merchandise. The fans didn't put us in this position, Murray did.

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01 Feb 2012 11:30:06
Protest rally to be held at Ibrox on Sat @ 12:00

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It's to late should've happened 6 months ago

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01 Feb 2012 10:27:41
a see whyte is still pulling the wool over sum rangers fans eyes use are just buring
your heads in the sand this guy is a liar an has borrowed money two keep the club running what happed two him beeing a billoinare he should be able two aford two run the club if not he should have left us alone and all the money he promised were is that and he sayed we didnt need two sell any players not see a patern way this its all lies from this man

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Were u hear hes a billionare? lol hes worth hundreds of millions but thats not cold hard cash lying in a bank someplace

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Could you please start spelling to properly as two = the number 2 it is getting too much to take

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01 Feb 2012 10:22:31
We just have to hope Celic is good and that Lafferty is back ASAP because I do not want to see that athlete Healy leading the line for Rangers.

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01 Feb 2012 10:13:54
any truth in a protest tonight at ibrox? My phone hasnt stopped all day. Wouldnt surprise me tbh we have to let craig whyte we are not happy.

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Hope so he needs to be hounded out...

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01 Feb 2012 09:46:16
Ally McCoist has poured his heart out to Walter Smith and will Tender his Resignation by the end of the week!

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Its about time he walked his overall performance is clearly not good enough! The last few of a regime who run our club into the ground.
Shame on use. angry bear!!

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If not for McCoist and Smith winning titles with barely a penny to spend we would have won nothing! And funny the man u fans wanted Ferguson out the door his first few season! McCoist needs time. Call your self a Fan the Money men ran our club into the ground not Legends like McCoist and Smith! Bloody Sir Alex could not get a performance out of this team!

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How do u know? did ur granny hear it off walter smiths cousins boyfriend?

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01 Feb 2012 09:32:23
Ally McCoist failed to convince Rangers chairman Craig Whyte to release funds to sanction deadline day additions to his squad, STV understands.

A meeting was held between the pair at Ibrox on Tuesday evening, with McCoist arriving with a copy of the club's injury list to emphasise his need for fresh blood.

Striker Nikica Jelavic has been sold to Everton in a deal worth £5m plus add-ons, representing the loss of a player who has scored 17 goals for the club this season.

McCoist had identified Norwich City striker Grant Holt as a replacement for the Croatian, and had hoped to get a chunk from the sale of Jelavic to table a significant bid for the 30-year-old.

Rangers instead tabled a cut-price officer for the Englishman, which was instantly rebuffed.

McCoist had other possible targets - St Johnstone’s Francisco Sandaza, Rapid Vienna’s Hamdi Salihi and Falkirk’s Kallum Higginbottom.

But the club hierarchy decided not to make a last minute move for any of the trio, with McCoist leaving Ibrox ashen-faced following his unsuccessful meeting.

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What do you expect after the tubes we signed in the summer? There all allys singings.I wish people would stop saying they were signed somebody else.lol

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He is learning

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ALL Allys signings were lost out with ridiculous offers from craig whyte, these players were the scraps... behave yerself

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01 Feb 2012 09:29:22
Mcoist will leave Terry Butcher will step in and take over!

Harry & Harry

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Dont see that happening, how would we be able to afford to buy butcher out of his contract with inverness??

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Why on earth would Terry Butcher think he will be supported when McCoist hasn't. A new manager will change nothing

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More likely be Billy Davies if Ally walks

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1 cant afford to buy out his contract
2 why would he leave a sound and secure job where he is building up a great reputation as a manager
3 no one in there right mind EVEN Billy davies would touch the gers job with a bardge pole

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01 Feb 2012 09:06:34
You remember me as an everton fan telling you that Jelavic will come to everton because there was a gentlemans agreement between the clubs over money owed to everton that rangers couldn't pay...because of everton and rangers close connections this was written off ,rangers hand was forced to take the lower offer....top line 5.5m....but with the debt everton written off more like between 7/8 as I said with Walter smith and big dunc and davie weir,Michael ball.....

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I remember someone saying that, good call buddy , got ursel a good player there

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Fair play to you, Hopefully the big man flourishes down there.

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Ok mate dont kick us when were down
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All right Mr Kenwright calm down

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Why would we owe you money for a player we sold (big dunc)? and a manager who left us to join you? and michael ball...really...we settled 'out of court' in dec 04, and it was a wrangle over appearance money owed to you as he reached 60 caps...and I can't see we would owe you 2.5 - 3.5 for davie weir after 5 years...granted it still does beg the question why we sold him for such a low price...

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Sorry lads I wasn't kicking you when your down,Scottish football needs a successful rangers,and believe me as well Celtic need you to be successful because it's no good for Scottish football if the champions are just an average side be that Celtic or rangers...the tv money and advertisement deals etc need both teams,Celtic will get sucked in moneywise because no one going to sponsor or put money into 1 team league,I fear for rangers if Celtic win league this year and get champions league money if this happens Celtic could win the league for many years on challenged!their is rumours down here that rangers because of their dealings they could be dropping leagues is this true can someone fill me in and upto date

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01 Feb 2012 01:15:34
I sat watching sky sports hoping and praying something would pop up, but once again nope. Nienti zero heehaw!! We saud we had to free up wages for the likes if jaager muslimovic Carlos bruins, have we not done that and more, Ortiz jelavic ness cole Hutton McMillan weir all gone now there must be wages for at least 3-4 freebies. Jaager is a defo as both our rb ar gash. Bruins looks like a creative player and we havnt fit enough of them and we badly need not 1 but 2 strikers. McFadden has left everton.....?! Plus I can't believe for the life of me Boydie wasn't even asked to come bk or train or anything!

Rant over
Watp
Scott

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This is sad. I'm upset!

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Well, From what I have heard, we have a few players who are free agents coming in for trials this week so we can still sign players! Just because the window is closed does not mean all is lost! McCoist cut a lonely but that was maybe because he tried his upmost to sign someone before the close of business and failed. I still reckon we will bring someone in and don't hold it against Whyte for letting Jelavic leave! He wanted to go and Everton were willing to offer more money up front than West Ham were! At the end of the day, the club need the money, plain and simple! Lets see how the season pans out before we all become Judge, Jury and executioner!

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Cos Boyd has signed for Portland timbers

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I have been saying since the beginning that Whyte would continue us on the road to ruin. The thing is set up that the only person who will come out of this well is him.

I can only hope that there is a long headed move afoot to let him take the flak from the fans while those behind the scenes have something in place to save us.

That will be some pretty shameful sh!* for a club with a proud history like ours but at the same time I think it is the only hope we have got.

Besides again it is us the fans who are being screwed over here. Sure I enjoyed 9 in a row and the push for the big European prize but if I had known it was at the cost of the death of our club I would have refused it - nothing is more improtant than the life of the club.

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Free up wages by getting rid of Gordon Smith for a start! Not selling our top scorer to line our Spiv chairmans already fat pockets! {Ed001's Note - how would selling Jelavic line his pockets? He can't take a dividend out of a loss. He doesn't get a salary as chairman. So all he can do is use the money to reduce debt! Will people stop crying about things they obviously don't understand.}

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It brings me great joy to watch the bears and their debt ridden club crumble round their ears. This has been a long time coming. I revel in your misery.

The only one I feel sorry for is McCoist. he has been led a merry dance! I expect he will chukc it in the next couple of days, but youll get to see him back on QOS so dont worry.

Hail Hail!

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Hail hail go back to dream land.if rangers lose the tax case and rangers go into administration.HRMC get ZERO.ZILCH.Whyte becomes the preferred creditor so there will be no £49 million tax bill.no one wants to see rangers enter administration however would wipe all debt apart from Whyte,s.(£22m bank debt which is now owed to rangers holdings).99 year lease he has on ibrox and players contracts which makes him the main creditor to rangers.go dry your pillow and stick to your own page.

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ED001-Lets see so people dont understand, he says we have a deficit of 10m per season, so he sold our next 5 years season ticket money and refuses to account for where this money went, so for the next 5 seasons we will have a defecit of around 17m as we will have no season ticket money. He promised 5 Million a season for transfers (he has brought in more transfer fees this season than he has spent). We have his Corrupt buddy Ellis on the Board now as well. Are you actually gullible enough to think this guy has Rangers best interests at heart? Ask yourself this, why would a astute business man buy a company that was operating a 10m loss every season if he does not want to put money in? Its a money pit. He clearly has a plan to make money out of this and i dont think this will benefit Rangers in anyway. But please continue to follow him blindly, then when we go to the wall you can start moaning about it then! The rest of us will speak our mind till we get some answers, i have parted with my hard earned cash to this club for years and have a rite to know how the club is being run! {Ed001's Note - sorry but you are completely wrong. I am not blindly following anyone, but I am also not blindly accusing anyone like you are. The only way he can make money is to get the club back into the black, there is nothing to sell off to make a profit. Anything sold will be swallowed up by the huge debt. I think a good way to look at it is this, Whyte has seen a building on fire and thought he could save it, rushed inside and picked up a fire extinguisher. Unfortunately for him the extinguisher has turned out to be empty and the rest of them have turned out to be on fire. Now he is stuck in the middle of a burning building with no way out. We don't know what motive he had to rush in there, perhaps he thought he could rob the place once the fire was out, perhaps he just wanted to be a hero. We don't know, so why make accusations? All we know is that the club is in trouble because of year's of mismanagement, not because of Whyte.}

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HMRC can liquidate rangers to get their money you plonker!

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01 Feb 2012 00:49:59
ED what do u think with all the wages that have been freed up only free agents can be singed who could wee get other than jaager bruins . sqaud cant stay the way it is wont last 5 games before we have to play 2 keepers cant be going with youth loaned them out whats going on {Ed014's Note - I have no idea.

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Whyte the shyte knows the taxman is coming. I wish he never took over the club!

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Surely Jaager and Bruins will come in after all that's left! They're both free and wouldn't command large wages. Unless they're not good enough...... what's the friggin' hold up?!?

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01 Feb 2012 01:22:22
Just a thought....what has/is Andrew Ellis brought/bringing to the table?! I can probably guess the answer....

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Brought nothing, TAKING Murray park...... need we say more?

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Ellis has been brought in to supevise the 'heavy' stage of what is known in criminal circles as a long firm fraud, the 'face/front' stage was c**ty shyte, at a point in the 'LF' (long firm fraud) when it becomes impossible to ignore the clients demands for information as to what is going on the 'face' refers future dealings to the 'heavy' who has the balls to deal with what will become either unrest or at worst revolt. A standard LF ploy is to blame each other for the failings to divert the focus of the client away from the main issue that the company 'Rangers' are being professionally milked by a system of paying as few bills as late as possible (see all court actions over last 6 months) , the aim being to maximise the good credit period of the company so that the 'LF' perpetrators (Shyte/Ellis and you will observe the presence of know criminals ie Mr Hughes and Mr King) can take the MAXIMUM amounnt of assets from the company up to a stage when either administration is literally days away or all credit lines are blacklisted. The 'LF' is similar in nature to the 'Ponzi' Scheme (see on Google) whereby bills are kept paid whilst more and more investors/credit lines are established and drained (see the Ticketus Creditline as a classioc means of drawing down on the companys good credit facility) ultimately the 'Face' will appear as genuine and 'white knight' like as possible, the 'heavy' will come in as back up to protect the heat from the 'face' and ultimately after administration onbe or other will point the finger at the other to divert the accusations opr point to the BBW (big bad wolf SDM who left untold amounts of debt that they were unable to turn around plus they will blame teams Euro failure league loss ANYTHING to draw attention to the credit and asset strip scam 'LF' THAT THEYVE JUST PERPETRATED ON THE COMPANY AND ITS CLIENTS (RANGERS AND ITS LOYAL FANS). tHROUGHOUT THE AIM IS SMOKESCREENS LIES AND BULLs**t DIPLOMATIC STATEMENTS (see all Shytes press releases they ALL skirt round they FACTS like a politician does when confronted with a fraund/conspiracy to cover up. THIS IN A NUTSHELL IS WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING AT GLASGOW RANGERS SINCE THE PROFESSIONAL LF/FRAUDSTER Mr C WHYTE FRONTED FOR ELLIS AND OTHERS TO HOPEFULLY BE FOUND OUT IF POLICE CAN PROVE ALL THE ABOVE

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Murray park is not rangers it is rented

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Murray still owns Murray park so unless he,s buying it from him having a position on the board will not get him Murray park.surrounding area of ibrox is different matter tho.

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You have hit the nail on the head my friend these crooks are ruining our great establishment

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This guy sounds angry.............

I for one love it.

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Andrew Ellis has been brought to the club to sell murray park and the surrounding area's at ibrox to raise money

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Would everone stop saying murray park will be sold, it is still owned by david murray and cant be sold.

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01 Feb 2012 01:02:28
BREAKING NEWS:
Ally McCoist will offer his resignation tomorrow (Wednesday) in protest at how the current Board Members at Glasgow Rangers have handled player transfers in the current season. McCoist has made it clear he cannot deliver the demands of the Board without significant backing from the Club, and he cites poor financial strength as his foremost requirement. The Board re not expected to accept the offer of resignation from their Manager however McCoist has made it clear that he will not be made accountable for the failings of the Club Chairman and Directors.

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It would not surprise me if ally did offer his resignation instead of just walking.he has never been given the chance to become the manager we all know he can be."WHYTE OUT"

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Whyte should walk now so that we can get someone else in that CAN save rangers i am sure i am not the only gers fan that wants Whyte out he's better putting rangers up for sale so that we stand a chance of rangers being saved before its too late

if he cant do the job correctly then pass it onto someone who can

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I agree, his face when leaving at 8.00pm last night , yes 8.00 pm still 3 hours left . bain would have worked until the last seconds , jelly would be more money too.hands tied , this has became too mutch . mcoist will go this week .

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I dont believe anyone would blame Mcoist for Walking out! However i cant see this happening, i dont believe Mcoist will walk out and leave his beloved Rangers to the hands of these no use B@s*ar*s at least if he is Manager we have some hope knowing that someone who Really Loves the club still has some say!! WATP

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Heard that a press conference has been called at Ibrox for 1100hrs today

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Whyte has become Rangers' Grim Reaper.

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I think he'd be well within his right to do this however he's too much of a Rangers man to do this

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Ally wont walk, but he will come out and say its not looking good

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01 Feb 2012 00:53:04
Not a rumour but watching football first tonight on TV & they had up all the transfers for the day & jelavic 2 everton was top at 8 mill this a fact I don't know what he went for but this is what it said
NTYABOW

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Wot a load of pish rangers are u will be done and bankrupt by the end of the season and the bhoys will rule and show the true pride of scotland for years to come while u all have to watch u's r only the team that have won the most for ur cheating robbing dirty blue ways atleast celtic have run there club right and will show u how it will be done when u cant afford a player and i really hope u get booted down the leagues as dont see why livingston a small club should be kicked but u's r a bigger club and shouldnt be in this situation u r the biggest embarrasment scottish football has ever had to deal with u have brought the worst shame to our coutry

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Think u were watchn summi different demba cisse to newcastle was top at 9million jela went for 5.5

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Get your "facts" right then! Pappa cisse signed for Newcastle for 9mill FACT... That was the top transfer!

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If Rangers get booted Septic are DONE. The SPL would die without both Rangers and Celtic there cant be one without the other so no matter how much you want it, it will never happen! Oh aye and how long have we not had money for now?? Yet we are going for 4 in a row! Wat you septic fans should be asking yourselfs is how can we not win the league from a team with no money?! WATP bring on 4 in a row

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Try learning to read before use slag someone of lads! he said transfers of the day cisse wasnt signed yesterday!

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01 Feb 2012 00:37:18
Heres some interesting listening fellow bears, Craig Whyte is definitely taking us fans for a ride and its high time we done something about it. Because lets not forget WE ARE THE PEOPLE.

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/16821348.stm

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CW taking us for a ride, you think?

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Of course he's taking us for a ride at the game on saturday and saw mr "can't do nothing right" whyte with the rangers fans but from the reaction a saw from him it is fake sympathy it belittles me that a boyhood ranger wants to see his club sink into the ground and if so he shoul pack his bag and leave ibrox sooner rather than later. One question though, what will coisty say was the factor in not bringing in any more players but a player with the name of our rivals. Get a grip mr Whyte. End of rant

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Sorry mate but i think you mean we were the people

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01 Feb 2012 00:33:31
One player in, cellik, 6 out, jela,weir,fleck,hutton,mcmillan and ortiz.. Scary times ahead fellow bears. David murray should hang his head in shame. What happened to "i'll only sell the club to someone with the clubs best interests at heart", we are rangers the most successful club in the world. We deserve better. WHYTE GO NOW!

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It's that very (tainted) success that has landed you in it.

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Bendikson too, gone....

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The taxman is coming to get us. Whyte has no money, he's a faker. Wants the adulation without Having the cash. He's a joke!

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Mckay too I think, kal naismith, a young keeper, and broxie bear. If we don't laugh we'll cry....Nivbear.

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Com'on whit planet are you on? Most Successful Club in the world? You and Whyte must have went to the same school.
The School Of Dreamers.

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Come on guy's stop giving the runners up the fuel they crave, stick together. When Celtic nearly went out of business was their previous trophies tainted ?.

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More titles than anyone else!

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01 Feb 2012 00:21:54
As I posted over two weeks ago Ally will walk. He was always going to walk if not backed, and it is crystal clear that we was not backed.
I believe in Ally and he may not be the greatest manager in the world but nobody can deny that he loves Rangers. He stated that he was told there was money even if we didn't sell. That quickly changed to we need to sell to buy. So we sold and didn't buy. I do not believe that Ally would knowingly lie to the fans, he did not make up the story that he had money. He must have been told by Whyte, now Ally looks a fool.
Let's be honest Sir Alex Ferguson could not make a team out of what we have got. Ally has been hung out to dry.
Ally is a legend, will always be a legend, and will be remembered long after Whyte and his cronies have disappeared with pockets full.
Go now Ally before the Charlatan destroys us, go with your head held high, spill the beans on the whole sorry lot of them.
No spiv should treat this legend like this. Enough is enough. Ally needs to go, we need to take to the streets and put as much pressure on Whyte as is possible. He needs to know we want the truth, no more lies, no more cons, no more pulling the wool. Let's give it to him with both barrels.

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Is that the same Ally who signed Bedoya, Ortiz, McKAY,gave Healy and Weir new deals, played fleck before any of them, then put him away on loan, wouldnt play Bendikson then lost him, wouldnt drop Whittaker when he was p***, plays four centre halfs across the back, despite having a 1.5m left back (Wallace) continuousley plays 1 up front AT HOME....blew a 17 point lead in weeks, aye, its not easy for him, but some self inflicted stuff tae.......i would sh*** it, if Ally 'did' have serious dosh to spend.

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100% right we should take to the streets and pressure whyte to tell us the whole truth.the guy is killing what is left of our great club.

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I truley am gutted to see rangers in this state! yes i am a season ticket holder at celtic but honestly bears i am with you all the way on this one! without rangers we are but a good team in a pash leauge the old firm is what the spl is all about! this guy whyte should have never been let near rangers!! i do hope he goes and do hope that the tax case has a good out come in your favour!
all the best guys!
scotiebhoy

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01 Feb 2012 00:19:56
whyte is a complete w**ker, a signing should have been made for rangers after jelavic's transfer was made, total disgrace that there is only one striker who is fit to play at this moment in time, all us supporters can do is have faith in the team to win and hope that mcoist doesnt walk out on us now afterall its not his fault he never got the option to choose players for the team.

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Agree in part with you mate, with the faith in the team etc. but technically Kerkar is also a striker, so not only one fit striker? With regards to hanging Whyte out to dry. Realistically, what could he do. Nobody knows the real situation, but if anything Murray is the one everyone should be annoyed with, afterall he said he wouldn't sell to anyone who didn't have rangers at heart blah blah blah etc. as I said, noone will know the real story cos I'm quite sure there is, and always has been, WAU more going on behind the scene than painted by dodgy journalists or hopeful, deluded fans! Jay

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Can i just say somethin mate, whytes intention was probably administration when the tax case was 1st popped up. so he is probably stickin to his own goals and only spendin his money wisely i.e contract extentions etc. so once he puts us in admin the debt will be cleared HMRC gets nothin he then pumps money into the team (really hope so) then we can look forward. Just my opinion.

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The money he is spending "wisely" is wasted then, as once we go into admin the players he has given contract extentions to are able to go for free {Ed001's Note - how do you work that out? Going into admin does not free the players from their contracts at all, as it hasn't at Leeds, Portsmouth (multiple times) etc. If they don't get paid they will be free, because then Rangers will be in breach of contract, but admin is intended to ensure staff wages get paid!}

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IMO though, i think whyte has been tricked ( in a way) he will clear the 18 mill debt, so you wonder why he doesn't want to pay off 50mill, which IMO a wouldn't want to eithee cos it would be 50mill better if it was injected into the team not SDMs failings! and btw not a whyte lover just not fsir on the guy gettin stick for somebody else's debt and the fact he isn't liked by tabloids lol , oh btw does anybody actually believe ally will walk? al be very surprised if he did WATP

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01 Feb 2012 00:15:44
at least we have mccoist in charge. may nt be a tactical genius but hes loyal and will do wts best for the club!!

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New that rangers to hold a press conference at 1230 the mora regarting club situation. uncle a football agent and said that ally will be quiting the gers the mora

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All fans boycott, as we have a conman running our club murray stated he would only sell club to right person so he shafted us to vote with our feet starting on saturday as its only wat to get rid of this conman, ally your still simply the best.

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We all seem to like these Boycotts First BBC because it had showen the owner in a bad light then the Daily Record because again it showed the owner in a bad light. We can not give up on our team we have a duty to support them THE TEAM thru every up and down. If Ally goes i wish him the best in everything he does as he was a great manager. I will still buy my jersy I will still go to games all to bring up the revenue of Rangers Football Club WATP

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You may think he will do his best BUT is his best gd enough ? how many points has he droped in dec/jan ? HIS BEST IS NOT GD ENOUGH

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01 Feb 2012 00:12:37
why we letting mcmillan go? hes better than broadfoot n whittaker has been awful
hutton n fleck? nt done anything wrong wen played n fleck kinda acts behind the striker
weir fine
jelavic. prefer wen we play with out him. but no replcements!!
none of our business makes any sense!!!!!

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01 Feb 2012 00:03:54
I posted the other day that no way had Liecester or west ham offered the likes of 7 or 8 mill for jella, and i got shot down......so... they offered that, but Whyte sold him for 5.5m....very good. Bobby Zamorra is an England international, proven EPL goalscorer, and cost 5m......why would you take an 8m gamble on jella.....we paid 4.5m, paid him around 2m in wages, then sold him for 5.5, LESS TAX.. made not a bean.

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Ure rite that fat t**t lawell must be sitting pissing himself at whyte 9 million in the summer then sell him for 5.5 all lies hes taking every penny he can

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I would put a ? next to the Less Tax in your statement as it looks like he has not been paying anything to HMRC. You should be worried as it looks like his plans to take rangers into administration could back fire and actually put you out the game.


Ian

p.s what has happened to in QWhyte we trust not seen this for a while.

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01 Feb 2012 00:03:36
Great thats the transfer window now closed so Whyte does not have to worry about telling us we are going to bid for anyone for another 5/6 months by which time it would be good if we could get rid of him

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Lets just hope mr tyte is not still in charge of our great club in 5/6 months!

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Does the Scottish window not stay open till tomorrow sometime? I was sure it was open 24 hours longer than the English one. ED? {Ed014's Note - For the SFL not SPL

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Thanks for that, Ed. So we can only sign free agents now (wishful thinking). {Ed014's Note - Yes.

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01 Feb 2012 00:02:25
Wasn't expecting anyone special but surely leaving us with one striker is cutting it fine, so disappointing, Whyte come clean and let the fans know the truth however bad it is.

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We must demand that an AGM is held so we can see the financies for ourselves and find out exactly how bad things are.
We also need to ask where the 26million from the sale of 4 years season ticket money has gone.

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01 Feb 2012 00:00:30
Read on twitter, press conference tomorrow. Not looking good bears, rumours from sources close to coisty saying he is calling it a day.

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McCoist is lucky he has not been sacked, poor signings, out of three cups costing the club 15 million and throwing away a fifteen point advantage in the league. he is not up to the job

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That ties in with the stories doing the media circuit tonight. Will believe it when it happens though. Maybe he'll try and sleep on it .

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If he was going he wouldn't have a press conference with Whyte, he'd just go.

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Wot drugs r u on? Ally not up to the job, and poor signings? Wot do u expect him to do when he is scraping bottom of the barrel players due to lack of funds from C. Tyte.
Ally is a legend trying his best with no backing from the owner. Wot more can he do?
Watp

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The guy is right m8, ally is not up to the job. Lack of money had nothing to do with ally throwing away a big lead. Face reality.

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31 Jan 2012 23:58:06
heard matt mc kay was offered a loan deal back to brisbane roar

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That's true, it's been all over the news her in oz

DownUnderCelt

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31 Jan 2012 23:57:55
no f ing way just got 2 diffrent phone calls saying mccoist walks and were going into admin at end of the week what is going on

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Exactly what you posted....that's what's going on........why the surprise?

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Deep down thought we would go into admin but always hoped something would be done what will happen with lee walaces contract we still owe nearly all the money for him any idears?

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There is no way you would know this and the whole scottish media dont, and if they did it would be all over the papers.

We will find out in the next few days what all this transfer stuff was about, but im sure ally wont walk

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31 Jan 2012 23:53:18
Ed can we still sign Luigi Bruins? Is he still training with us? He's not with a club atm eh? {Ed001's Note - free agents can be signed outside of the transfer window, so long as there is space in the squad for them. He was on a week's trial, so I would think he will be awaiting a decision on a deal, if he hasn't already been told one way or the other.}

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Hes already gone

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He only done 2 days trial then walked to Middlesbrough for a trial! Another one use couldn't keep.......lol

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31 Jan 2012 23:01:23
NO MONEY NO STRIKERS lets get behind Ally and the team still CHAMPIONS 4 in a row

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Have you been on the narcotics mate.....?

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31 Jan 2012 23:00:48
McCoist has been sh****d by Whyte, why should he stay and work under scum like that, Whyte just wants to line his own pocket, GET WHYTE OUT.

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Whytes trying to run rangers like a business, remeber...thats why he was brought in

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