Rangers Rumours Archive March 20 2012

 

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20 Mar 2012 21:04:41
Does anyone know how much the flags that are going to be on sale at Ibrox on Sunday are going to cost? Xx

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It's a donation minimum £2

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I think someone posted earlier on m8 they'e £3 quid.
Stevie-A-Bear

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£1 same amount the club's worth

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Are they whyte flags

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£2 minimum donation is correct

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Is that including Tax and VAT? oops wait a minute its Rangers so no tax or vat

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The 1st reply was right pal its a minimum donation of £2 and the flags will be sold at the turn styles by volunteers. Source rangers.co.uk

Gers1986

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The scarves and the flags will make no difference, a token gesture.

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Wotever u want to give u wont be told thrice

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Why will the flags and scarves make no difference? Explain?

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Minimum 2 pounds...but impossible to sell at turnstiles...why are we so f##king stupid .

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What difference will they make ?

All the bids so far are for the remnants after liquidation, unless... you win the tax case and somehow Ticketus is somehow not allowed to get what they honestly paid for and as everyone said before it became an issue, all clubs sell some tickets in advance.

what is wearing a scarf that's not close to your clubs colours , it looks like a rag tag of some sunday team supporters. If you think your £1 from a few thousand rangers fans is going to make a difference...you'd get more by putting 50p on the pies or doing what most other clubs in liquidation do, cancel season tickets.

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Every single week d&p costs will be 20 times your scarf profits.

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The fans have raised over £100,000 in a few days. Even though the funds are earmarked for running costs, excluding legal costs, D&P fees and payment of old debt, the figures above show that, in reality, that sum is a drop in the bucket.

In addition, the scheme launched with a flurry of publicity, and spread worldwide very quickly. Can it realistically be expected to raise £100,000 each and every week until the situation with the club is resolved? This is particularly so where the future course of RFC, if any, will depend on the outcome of what are likely to be expensive and lengthy court actions.

The Fighting Fund not going to legal fees means, as far as I can see, that D&P will pay them from RFC’s pot, and replenish it with the Fund cash.

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I thought the scarves were £16.90. No ?

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24.4 million

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I heard its Union flags (commonly though incorrectly called Union Jacks). That would be most inappropriate as you don't pay your British taxes. Really does take the biscuit. Not a single Director fit and proper person.
Get with the agenda, it's the British powers that be that are eradicating sectarianism.

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Any money given to the Administrator will be used by the Administrator as he sees fit.

You could hand over £100k to help pay the players wages this week, but if they want to pay the Police or buy themselves an ivory ballscratcher, then they are entitled to do so. {Ed001's Note - no they can't, money can be given with conditions attached, hence why a bank can ask you what you intend to do with a loan and only loan if their conditions are met. If you fail to meet those conditions you are risking court action, an administrator is not going to risk that, it would be the end of them.}

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16.90.... that sounds like a kingly price

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Nobody has yet said who is producing the flags?, at what cost? and profit expected? and where is the collected cash, going to, and who will independently count and authorise the transactions?. Too many dark corners in this for me

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Re: Administrator using any funds as they see fit, I think you are wrong on the one Ed as the Administrator has to act in the best interests of all Creditors, and any funds that are made available can be used to facilitate that function.

The £100k could pay of the debt to Dundee United

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Who is accountable for all the money raised through sale of flags on Sunday?

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The fighting fund has hee haw to do with admin.

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About a £1 more than it cost whyte to buy your club

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Thought this was supposed to be the Rangers rumours page? Yet there are more sellick fans on here than there were in Hampden on Sunday 2 minutes after the final whistle went

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Ah the sight of 40k union jacks blowing in the gutter come 14:30. Somewhat symbolic don't you think? Wake up bears for god sake!

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I thought you lot were called Scotland's Shane for a reason?Seems you have no shame.How f###ing pathetic standing waving your stupid wee flags but don't pay your taxes to the BRITISH government and queen you profess to love so much.Look at the bill for TAX PAYERS after your SHAMEFUL display in Manchester, yet you lot weren't even paying TAX. Why are HMRC not pursuing the players for the TAXES that Whyte siphoned off? After all it is their TAX and NICs that will be wrong when audits are done...oops maybe that is their next step to recover the money YOUR rotten club stole from every citizen of the UK even RANGERS fans...that is SHAMEFUL!!!!

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While I disagree with views posted and appeal to true Rangers supporters to stop all the petty back stabbing, it hurts me to admit that we have always told others we are for Queen and Country and would always standby British Law, and sadly, we have not, complied with British Law and that will always be used against us, no matter how this sorry situation resolves itself, the implication of cheating the Queen and Country, by not paying our dues in full and on time, will always be there. So stop all the childish rubbish and stand up, and like me take it on the chin.

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20 Mar 2012 20:38:00
Does anyone honestly think the two new bids will put in £40m to cover HMRC (15) and Ticketus (24.4) plus another £3m debt plus £5m operating costs to end of season?

Because the first three bids didn't.

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Im pretty sure all the bidders will be hoping to do a cva so they won't have to pay the full debt.

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Just a minute. A huge football club that plays in Europe every season and has one of the best training facilities in Europe for less than £50,000,000. Sounds like a steal to me!

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Used to play in Europe

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Best deal in football problem is who has got the dough could make that back in 2 years if they utilize Scotland's premiere stadium corectly

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Europe every season?

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" Just a minute. A huge football club that plays in Europe every season and has one of the best training facilities in Europe for less than £50,000,000. Sounds like a steal to me ".

Have you been underground for the last year ? SDM sold it for a £1 less than a year ago and it has lost 15 million since then.

RFC operating costs are 50 + million, if they get to group stages of CL they bring in 50 million and break even. If they fail to get to group stages they lose 10+ million.

Anyone who pays 50 million for RFC is certifiable, this is serious stuff, the offers may not be enough to stop HMRC from refusing to accept the CVA.

What a mess.

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1 of these 2 bids will put us back on the map big time so i am told.

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+£25m to rebuild playing squad

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" 1 of these 2 bids will put us back on the map big time so i am told. "

I hate to curb your enthusiam but try and stay realistic, Rangers will not see small time for about 4-5 years regardless of the outcome. They will never again pay players 20-30 k per week, they will fix a budget much like Celtic and bring on new talent, both are now selling clubs to two leagues down south plus any in Europe..

The dream is over and its turned into a real nightmare, RFC could well be liquidated, it is stil the most likely outcome.

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No one will ever spend big on players again at Rangers. Next year is an immediate loss of at least £10m again due to no European license. Who wants a duff squad, no Europe money, a corroding stadium, a £100m + debt when big tax case lands and £4.5m a month operating cost? It's toxic, it's nuts IT'S LIQUIDATION.

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Please stop alll this tosh about millions to spend on the playing staff. Think this through, Ibrox is a football ground at present, correct, but cannot sustain its own running costs, it follows that new revenue streams must be found, which means however takes over football will be only a component part of the company. Ibrox, including the playing field will be used for other events e.g rugby,concerts, other football matches not involving Rangers , etc on the weekends/daytime/close season.This reality check is for everyone in Scottish Football the days of multimillion pound squads are finished, so please can we stop beating the drum of back to the good old days and we will rule the SPL for ever, we have sunk football in this country and we will occupy a space just above the other minoows

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Of course it's liquidation that all these "conditional" bids are based on.
A newco could command a rough price of around £30-£35million easyily enough for Rangers, so yes it could be a bargain. The only problem is nobody knows what's going to happen{we can all offer our fears,hopes, arguments for/against- from both sides of our divided country, and farther afield, but nobody actually knows. Whyte will have a plan, The conditional bidders wil have a plan. The fans as usual will just have to sit on our "Hawnd's" until we're informed of the outcome. Stevie-A-Bear

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But as usual the Rangers supporters and Directors want to do a dodgy spiv trick to get out of their debts. Never mind the morality or ethics, do whatever dirty trick is needed...... Desperate men for desperate days.

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Liquidation is the obvious answer to clear the debt. The past is the past and forget about tainted titles then and today. Rangers are just the tip of the iceberg and a lot of clubs north and south are watching this with dread. The taxman is now flexing his muscles and there will be more to come.

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Agree that liquidation is the best (and most sensible) way forward out of this mess - there is just too much debt

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No European football next season at the very least m8t ! so no , not European football every year .

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NOBODY will underwrite that huge tax bill. Why should they when they can buy the club after CVA or liquidation?

OK, buying the club as-is guarantees SPL footy, no points penalty next season etc etc etc but a post-liquidation bidder will want to negotiate with the SPL on this one anyway.

If I were bidding for Rangers I'd want all kinds of conditions in there that allows me to walk away if certain rulings go against me.

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As a lifelong Gers fan I am sick & tired about hearing how this season's title is tainted.

We had already lost the league before administration. We lost the league when our manager and our team threw away a 15 point lead. Foreget about the awful performances since administration, the signs were there for all to see much earlier.

We played in four cup competitions this season and the only team we got an overall result against the "mighty" Arbroath. We were out of all four cups before administration.

Fellow bears wake up and smell the coffee! Stop pointing the finger accross the city, we did this to ourselves not just by welcoming Whyte, but when we let Murray con us into thinking he was bankrolling the club all those years when in fact he was running up a huge bank debt, now a lot of what we have to show for that IS tainted.

We need to start paying our bills and living within our means!

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If you take off the blue tinted spectacles and think about all this for a moment. Given the potential crippling debt, even a bid for Hearts would probably be a safer investment. And no sane person would even *consider* doing that.

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20 Mar 2012 20:11:41
SFA ask all member clubs to declare non-contractual payments!

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Yes, that will work.
Anyone who flaunted the SFA rules please put their hand up.
Oh yes!
Pick me! No, pick me! No, pick me!

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Would it no be funny if other clubs were doin this wen rangers are actually innocent oh i would giggle

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Imagine if a club that sold a player paid in a bigger check than the buying club said they paid they would be up to their Borucs in shoot for money laundering

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Sfa havent a clue. they r to blame for the state of our game and talk as much tripe as craig whyte.

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Scotland's 93 member clubs have been asked to make known any payments made to players not previously declared through official contracts.

The Scottish Football Association has confirmed it has written to them all following allegations surrounding Scottish champions Rangers.

It previously said it had no plans to have its own investigation into the Glasgow club.

The Scottish Premier League is presently carrying out its own probe.

The SFA would be the body that would hold any appeal should Scotland's top flight find that Rangers paid players outside their contracts during its inquiry, which is investigating deals back to 1998.

Its letter to all the clubs in the SPL, Scottish Football League and minor leagues was sent 11 days ago and asks them to declare that they have complied with Article 12 of the governing body's articles of association over the last 10 years.

The clubs have until Friday 6 April to send details of any contracts made to present or former players that were not previously lodged with the SFA.

Clubs are warned that they could be referred to the SFA compliance officer and could face disciplinary action if they have breached the governing body's rules.

Source: BBC

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Imagine if a club that sold a player paid in a bigger check than the buying club said they paid they would be up to their Borucs in shoot for money laundering


Yes and I wonder which club let their players go for a boomsong

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Stunned by the loads of.... well raft of.... well nobody to be honest coming forward to say directors saying rangers WERE cheating is not true...

As ever a spokesperson for DM - that all - not even the big blue man himself....

No word from J. Greig ? who was a director in the thick of it.... shirley a Blue as blue as this - would be on every channel say "Oh no"....

but no - not one person, and the only comment from a spokesperson....

it unreal - and yet still the fans say its all lies...

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And I notice nobody from Celtic has EVER come forward to deny their majority shareholder Dermot Desmond's constant public claims at the time that he paid the wages of players Roy & Robbie Keane from his own pocket?
If that's not a payment to a player by a 3rd party - against SFA rules - then I don't know what is! {Ed001's Note - depends on how it was done. I am sure he would have just paid the corresponding amount into the club each month or week.}

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Your clearly didnt see DM interview then?? wasnt a spokesman i seen saying it, it was him! Rangers dont need to prove anything, the people who are accusing them have to prove this and as of yet ive seen no evidence of this at all!!

im still waiting..................

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If this is going to fall as some sort of amnesty then it should cover RFC as well. Maybe a chink of good news for once (by the way I am a Tim but also a true football supporter and feel for the genuine RFC fans)

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Channel 4 - last night - we asked DM for reply... not comment! says it all.

so if there is a statement for DM why did you not include the link in yur post... ?

cos its a figment of yur imagination ?

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Guess this is an opportunity for rangers to fess up to all the other payments outside of EBTs.

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I've always thought the SFA were incompetant and corrupt but now they are also truely embaressing

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20 Mar 2012 17:32:17
Looks like your 86 year old ex director has let the cat out the bag in an interview for channel 4 news

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......Is that what Celtic fans are worried about.......2 days after losing the first Cup of the season?........an interview with an 86 yr old?

Here is an idea........why not look to find success and domination of Scottish Football on the pitch?..........Instead of hoping for Scandal, Blaming Referees, Instituational Bias, hoping Rangers go out of business etc etc...Go Win Something!......then you willl have earned the right to comment on the most successful Team in History.

JG Bear

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Yeah and the DR had Ellis as a switcheroo spiv today. He is still a Rangers director right now the same as Dave King.
And Gordon Smith was on radio 5 live, BBC Sports Scotland highlighting panic at Ibrox when being dumped out of Champions league by Malmo.

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Their all in it together

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Same old ramblings, just read Alex Thompsons blog regarding this, absolutely nothing new. Pop! Another timmy bubble burst.

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The pile of Man Utd the Hectors are in just keeps getting bigger...wonder what or who is next to pour petrol on the burning fire. You could write a taggart serial lasting several months out of this stuff.....Oh sorry Strathclyde Police are already wriiting the script.... Could be a best sellar on my side of the town.

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JG Bear

oh im not worried not one bit worried

corruption is nothing to be proud of is it
your team has been found out by non bias reporting .
success was bought outwith your means and that is cheating
hoping is not the word i would use
going out of business is about to happen very very soon.
i have just made comments on the biggest cheats in History
UEFA are next to get involved and they will not swing and miss ;-)

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What cat out of what bag,Hugh Adam left
his post at Rangers approx one month after
EBT system was claimed to have been introduced how he could claim to know quite so much in such a short space of time is itself very suspect,he is well known for his open dislike of SDM and adding fuel to the fire would no doubt bring some form of satisfaction,he has also admitted that he never actually carried out any directorship role while at the club,it was just for the box and the hospitality,make of his comments what you will but a lot of straw clutching going on in my opinion.

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First off you cant have a non bias reporting with one side of the argument.

talk about death bed confession and im not talking rangers i mean scottish football if uefa get involved its a whole new type of sh*te hitting the fan. cause the sfa arent the innocent party in all this. someone knew turned a blind eye.

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The only bubble bursting was in the Whtye Knights house from a other bottle all payed for by you lot of mucks.

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This is last weeks news timmy, its already been proved they were not a legally binding contract and the money DID NOT HAVE TO BE PAID. It was paid volentery in good faith by the club. POP

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Biggest cheats in history? Gimme a bloody break!! Jesus Christ! You might have half a point about livin outside our means but lets be honest here just about every single top club does..... Yourselves included or yous wouldn't have any debt! Debt means credit which in turn means livin outside your means!! Simple as that...!!

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Oh im not worried not one bit worried

corruption is nothing to be proud of is it
your team has been found out by non bias reporting .
success was bought outwith your means and that is cheating
hoping is not the word i would use
going out of business is about to happen very very soon.
i have just made comments on the biggest cheats in History
UEFA are next to get involved and they will not swing and miss ;-)


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Success was bought outwith your means.....so your obviously commenting on every big team in europe then including your own? dont talk absolute nonsense, you are one of they celtic fans that is that bitter towards rangers people just wont want to hear your views and bias opinions.... hypothetically if you did take away the trophies we had won when we were using EBT's since 2001 untill 2010, we woulda still won more than celtic so your comment is null and void anyway. And i think hope is more for you mate, hoping we go out of business, weve got 5 bidders for our club....hardly say thats bad news for us eh? UEFA haha, and why exactly would they get involved? The only concern they have with Rangers is our european licence which we may or may not get.

Please stick to posting on the celtic page, if you have any dignity, i do not go on your teams page atall, i am not interested.


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...Reading this post just makes me realise how much hatred is spewing out of celtic fans these days...honestly where ever you look it is absolutly ripping out of them....and just for the record Barca for example are what £400 million in debt most of the time should we be calling for them to be stripped of all their trophies since they got into debt?...is living outside their means a crime?...no dont be so stupid...

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Just watched channel 4 news. looks like the partys over. Everyone blaming everyone else. Something seriously stinks here. Can't help think liquidation would be best all round and then we can start again without all this muddy water!

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When are the rangers fans gonny
wise up and take some real action.

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Correct they will not swing and miss at all clubs who cheated and played under a fraudulent coefficient and only person that interview crucified is Regan for his incompetence seller doesnt have to do due dillagance on the buyer as long as he has proof of funding it is SFAs job to police the fit and proper person law that THEY implemented should all be sacked for miss management or resign

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JG Bear. WTF honestly WTF. Celtic have won plenty over the years including three in a row before directly before your three in a row. So what if Adams is 86? If what he is saying is true and provable your fecked. And it will have a huge effect on Scottish football. So deflect all you want but really go grow up.

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Theres not a team in britain that is not in debt so they must all be living out with there means ,and so called cheating to win trophys wait lets change that to the world ,and the very first reply was spot on ,away and worry about your own failings as a team

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Either you really don't get it or are choosing to ignore what is in front of you as clear as day...

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Debts ok as long as you pay it back oooopps wait a min You have not paid anyone,now that is low Dignity FC strike again

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Is it not strange that stuart regan found the time to appear on c4 show? strange considering he hasnt ever spoken to the man responsable for ebts in the first place.(sdm), thought he would have learned about doing his homework after the why*e fiasco. obviously not!! some people just never (choose) to learn.

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Sepp Blatter will be laughing all the way to the bank , the home of football - the very home is rocked to its core - but alegations galore - and the best case scenario an abomination which could see ibrox bulldozed for houses and sold for its land value only.....

Ex directors of rangers - say we were cheating - but they are false prophets....

Rangers and its last 10 years of results could be removed from history books - its THAT serious.

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I am 86 and I can use the internet. PS. Who are Rangers?

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Hugh adams is just bitter murray sack him years ago still holding a grudge after all these years

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Worry about our failings as a team eh, missing out on a treble, a very hard thing to do 3 times in our history, lets talk about your teams failings:
Failing to pay tax ,PAYE etc
Failing to pay other clubs their due money
Failing to have enough humility to admit serious wrongdoing
Failing (possibly) to abide by the rules of the scottish game
Failing to understand how much crap u are in
did i miss anything?

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Still believe minty moonbeams - after he brought down rangers? Thats loyalty! I wouldnt believe a word he says......wake up, thats why were in this mess. If rangers loose tax case then 2 contracts DID EXIST...THATS THE WHOLE POINT!!!

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There is loyalty but there is also stupidity
Stop making us look like A/Hs . Stop defending the people who brought shame to The Gers ..I never comment in here but I have had it . All the people at the top knew this s##t was going on I am disgusted . I thought Sir David was a real Bears man but now I know he was a s##t
I recall him saying for every 5 pounds spent by septic he would spend 10 and i like eveyone of us was happy. he has ruined our club if UEFA become really involved we are dead in the water...Duped by Whyte I dont think so..Mccoist was handed a poisin chalise and as he is not the sharpest tool in the box ,the poor soul Oh i dont want to say anything bad about him.He played his heart out for us but he is crap as a manager...14 million come on , get rid and that would pay a big part of tax bill. I am turning into an old f##t ranting but I will not say sorry for that

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Ah, Celtic have EBTs too! check accounts 1996, Mmmmmm

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All out in the open and dealt with yes 2 players at celtic had ebt all tax paid and ebt scrapped and i think hibs and hearts had 1 player each on a ebt tax all paid and then scrapped.no problem with HMRC with any of the 4 players
problem your with your ebt according to HMRC is £32m unpaid taxes, interest and penalty's and HMRC say they want over £50m
so mmmmmmmmmmmm nae luck

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So they had double contracts then!

Mmmmmm.

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Nothing willbe removed from the history books, you gullible muppets. That's just acetic fantasy, this witch hunt is headed by Peter liewell through his puppet Regan. I have sent a detailed letter to the SFA asking them to investigate the use of double contracts etc of all other SPL clubs within the last decade on completion of their investigation of Rangers, I urge Rangers fans to do the same. Does anyone actually believe Rangers would have been the only club exploiting these, as well as ENTs? I think not.

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Not realy sure about the double contracts but as op says everything sorted dont see hector sniffing around parkhead do you..

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Did i miss something on C4 - the old guy never actually dropped anybody in it - it was his opinion, he couldn't name anyone. If anything he eluded to the fact that it was common practise everywhere (now theres a shocker!) Football players/mangers getting back handers - whatever next?

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Ebt's are not ilegal if used correctly so the HMRC have no problem with celtic hibs or hearts as the 4 players had all taxes due paid in FULL

its how your club has used them that HMRC are saying its ilegal and thats why they want there money

mmmmmmmmmmmm ya goon

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EBT dont need second contracts... and do work....

Problem is if the players dont trust them and ask for second contract to cover them from having to repay a loan... its then both illegal and dangersous....

guess which major club in world - took this plath ?? and why ?

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For the love of the wee man,please Bears conduct yourselves in a fitting manner, our club is in deperate straits and name calling along with abusive remarks I have just read, does nothing for the cause. OK, if we have done wrong then we must stand and take it on the chin, if we have nt the we can hold our heads high, by engaging in this childish name calling then we are only providing ammuntion for our detractors to come back and make more devilment. So I appeal to all true supporters to stop

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Barca 400million in debt, yeah thats fine as long as it's honest debt. Nobody ever complains about clubs being in debt, but they do complain when you "filter" cash away to pay players that you would not have been able to afford otherwise, that is fraud and it is also agianst the rules of the governing body, that makes it cheating.

All clubs have debt of some kind btu they pay it back, Rabgers want huge debt and dont want to pay it back. The money they have stolen from us could keep nurses, policeman and wait for it...soldiers in jobs, but all of that doesnt matter as long as the might Rangers win a title...makes you proud does it....if all of the titles that you fraudulently won are rightly stripped , will you still be the most succesful club...and just think, all those jersey with the made up stars on them will be fake...if only you had won the real trophy that the star is for!!

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Well said, lets not get into bickering with them, lets stand shoulder to shoulder and take whatever is thrown at us in a dignified manner. WATP

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The whole story was a "non story" surprised channel 4 actually aired the ramblings of an old man. No one named and what he said was vague at the very least. I was actually embarrassed for channel 4 trying to pass this off as a scoop

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Who can you trust?

Who do you think will be first to release a novel?

Whyte, Murray, Ogilvy, Smith x 2 ?

Big bucks to be made here!

I can here their key boards tapping already!

Plays, Movie, Musicals who gets the royalties?

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20 Mar 2012 14:19:14
Was on talksport saying its from states the fortress consortium and the fifth is from Singapore, but Timothy will say its lies cause talksport need to tell lies

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Have not heard that today was not near a radio - what were they saying about the bids?

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Yeah, timothy's don't have lives. they spend all their time coming onto RANGERS FC websites instead of their own. talk about an obsession.

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This is true.......heard the interview in the car earlier. Only worrying part is the strong rumour that Craig Whyte has brought Fortress to the Table.........We need to be wary of VC people buying the club as they only have one mandate....to make profits for the partners. Scottish football not a place to make profit.

Rangers need led by business men who can guide a £50m business in the art of trading solvently, and Rangers need the loyalty of 50,000 fans each week, every year, to help these men progress within our means. We need a partnership.......with both sides having common vision.

JG Bear

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I'm a true blue bear but talksport do talk complete craig whyte. it's like the s*n of the radio world.

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How come nobody is mentioning that the deadline for bids was Friday, can't possibly accept new bids after.

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Has now been confirmed by Duff & Phelps..........4th bid has been received. So much for professional administrators setting a deadline of Friday 16th March. If the rumour of Whyte bringing Fortress to the table, and the 4th bid IS proved to be fortress, then this is another "irregular" development. Very Concerning.

JG Bear

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The deadline is just an arbitrary date set by the administrators. There is nothing actually tying anyone to it

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Smell the coffee you have spent millions you did not have and now you want to spend millions you have not seen or will never see !

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When will all the Gers fans wake up and stop thinking the world is aganist them people told you's about The Whtye Knight and the truth hurts.
Remeber all this is down to the people who run your so called great club.
TIME TO WAKE UP MUCKS

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Re the second posters comment ..he is quite right I come on here and I am a CFC
fan but lets be honest if the shoe was on the other foot you guys would do the same.I dont know why you are not more angry with the people you trusted ,they lied used your money {cause remember its your money through tickets bought and all the products in the RFC shops that pay the wages and give them their great lifestyles} and yet you dont get any real information on whats going on.
Instead of buying a red and black scarf or a union jack why not just give 12 pounds to RFF . 10 pounds for scarf only 7.50 pounds goes to your club so someone is making a killing the same with flag ..think about it 43,000 times 2 pounds minimum is 86,000 pounds at least half of that goes to manufacturer.
I could go on and on but, if it was CFC
I would want all of my money to go to my club but at this stage I would want to be sure that any money I gave went in the right direction To save my club ,and not line someones pocket..I dont want RFC to die I like the banter and those majic 90 mins when we play ,nothing compares to that. So Good Luck
From, Timothy.

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LMAO! to the guy who made the comment about not being able to accept bids after the dealine.... mate admins have a legal right to always keep options open for a takeover, the deadline was a preffered date for groups to put bids in, guys can come in with bids at anytime and they must be considered while in administration

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£28 billion might just bale u out and keep u going as SKY contract gets closer and closer to the shredder no European football for any Scottish side for years to come oh dear oh dear looks like amateur football for jokeland and no national team to embarrass u either

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To Jokeland...I think we do not bad for a nation of five million...for a nation of nearer 65 million do be as crap as they are on the international stage is more of a joke!

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Aye jokeland come back and tell us that after uefa rules clubs must run profit , jog on mate if we or c+ltic came down there our support would surprise you all with the sky money yous get , our support is worldwide mate, plus our national team come on mate dont tell me me u won it in 66 again cos u aint done sh1t since then.... craig+babybear

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Man city lose 5mill a month wee sheik Mansur has rented stadium for birthday party £60 million a bit pricey but if the Man is willing to pay it then why not stadium is part of Man citys income so no rules broken and all taxes paid of course

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LMAO! why put a deadline on it then

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4th bid confirmed received as a uk based bid. The Sun.

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20 Mar 2012 13:02:02
Alex Thomson(C4 news) on twitter
"EXCLUSIVE fmr Rangers director
makes new claims on how RFC broke
SFA rules on player eligibility"

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Campbell Ogilvie article in Daily Mail admission to receiving £95k on EBTS scheme. Never paid it back because it was never a loan.

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Channel 4 News tonight - bad news. All over Twitter. :(

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No surprise, matt mcglone and an irish based hack called phil, are helping to make a c4 programme about rangers, theyv got it in for us big time. they will make up anything to taint the gers.

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Seems Phil McGillivan/Matt McGlone have got this CH4 chap sniffing around RFC, a possible tv hatchet job awaits

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Just have a look at phil mcgillivan's website- www.philmacgiollabhain.ie- should let you know this guys agenda.

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So telling the truth is an agenda? Tell me which part on his website has proven to be lies? You cant argue the facts ya tube! Do you think channel 4 news are going to tell lies and have an agenda as well? Your an idiot!

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Uefa compliance officer is in Scotland and is going to hammer SFA fraudulant coeficient Hope celtic fans now this means every club that competed under them is in deep shoot and will in all likely hood be banned from their competitions dont come greeting to us see Matt n Phil

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Indeed, the truth will come out eventually. The only 'agenda' these people seem to have is that there should be a level playing field.
If Rangers and the SFA have been complicit in rule breaking, surely it's a good thing if this is revealed.
I there has been no cheating then you have nothing to worry about.

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Checked out the source ......Mr Phil Mac. Need i say anymore?? Is this credible? More BS rehashed

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Yes it would be and a 5 year ban and refunding all prize money gained during the period would be a fitting punishment for All that competed under a falsified coefficient my point was that other clubs benefited from any wrong doing and will punished aswell and Phil N Matt shouldnt really be patting themselves on the back for a job well done they have screwed their own club big time, I suggest you have looK at who informed UEFA and dragged them into what they were happy to class as a domestic untill P/M started lobbying German clubs

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So getting to the truth is an agenda!!!

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Dont be so silly the only team that is going to be hit is the cheats rankers the sfa did not no rankers were cheating cause rankers were giving dodgy documents u muppet

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No one will buy you until the tax case is over,stop believing all the guff

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Would rather play in a country with a fair and open playing field with no european football if it means ending this nonsense.

SDM thought he was being smart, thought he could outsmart everyone, all he has done is reduce Rangers to a farce.

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Taint Rangers? what a clown. Rangers have broken every rule in the book ,no one needs to taint you,guilty as charged,pay your debts then turn the lights out as you leave

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SO whos the buffoon whining on and who is quite happy that Celtic and other innocent Scottish clubs will be punished entirely due to the Rangers leaderships irresponsible and possible corrupt behaviour. "Ye telt oan us so we are delighted yooz are in the soapy tae" what a disgraceful position. Humble apologies are required for dragging the good name of Scottish football through the S*** and even greater apologies are required if this disgraceful behaviour from Rangers leadership has indeed Infected all the other innocent Scottish clubs. It is obvious that no attempt was or is made to defend the Rangers position as all know who is guilty. Posters here let themselves and their club down by showing no remorse and continually harping on that others are responsible for this mess and its yer ain fault for grassing us up....For goodness sake grow up and take it on the chin and apologise for the disgraceful mess you are making of yourselves and Scottish football.

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It is the fans I feel sorry for ..they have been fed loads of b/s and the sad thing is the believe it...

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Do you have proff except for the papers, have any of you seen any documents stating this, just because some person from the media says it you all think its true. fs get a grip

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Typical blame everybody else and bury head in the sand what next ? hugh adam ia a celtic man.

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Who is to blame?

Did Rangers break any rules?

Proof?

The amount of allegations and sniping from every angle about Rangers is beyond a joke. We have an 86 year old former director quoting ''Without having any specialist knowledge, I’m pretty sure EBTs were being used before 2000''
WTF is that supposed to mean?

Is there any shred of evidence anyone can give other than gossip or rumours.

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It is a rumours site half wit

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What time is this on channel 4?..

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HA HA - whose to blame.

I too am a director - and every month there is meeting with my other directors - and the question - are we up-to-date with taxes is always raised and answered...

Yet we know find that £9million is outstanding for last year alone, what were there 'blue' directors doing - if not asking questions to ensure rangers direction was not into dire straits.....

We keep hearing they did not know - it was their job to ask - thats what a director does - and why they go to jail if they dont ask....

rangers have already won the treble this year

they did not win the league cup
they did not win the scottish cup

they will not win the league
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Not paying this years tax broke a rule
not paying hearts broke a rule
not paying other spl teams broke a rule
BTC ...
trying to tear up the legal Ticketus deal is wrong.
EBts...
SFA rules broken
competing for over a decade with money you did not have...

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Funny how many celtic fans come on this and claim that rangers broke the rules, and how exactly do you know all this information that no-one else seems to know? i think u should concentrate on your own team breaking the rules (diving in the last seconds of a cup final) instead of worrying about our club!

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When are` we due to pay hearts? july?

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Funny how many rangers fans are on here - and can use the internet to get to the truth....

one of the worlds oldest clubs - with the longest history at the heart of the home of football... could be corrupt....
Sept Blatter is loving this........

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Maybe celtic fans can use the internet - clearly many rangers fans CANT!

www.rangerstaxcase.com for all details of the EBT scandal - if done right its legal - if done wrong its over!

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May i remind everyone that has replied to this post including phil/matt the rangers football club are innocent until proven guilty.didnt no that there was so many tax experts and criminal lawyers from the east end of the city.fannies

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We'll know over the coming week.....SPL judgement, BGT judgement and Ticketus.

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Sorry Ed, that last post should have read BTC judgement, eyes going this time of night!

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20 Mar 2012 12:43:49
Has ANYONE recieved a RED&BLACK
scarf yet?

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Yes guys had then on at the match at the weekend

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Yes got mine today

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Now on sale in rangers shop at ibrox

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Dont you mean the JJB shop at ibrox?

we dont have a shop, mr murray sold that too!

BluePeter

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Just got mine today the 20th march,waited 10 days for it.

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Craig Whyte can only knit so fast.

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Yes this morning waited 2 weeks

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A what?

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Got two in today.

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For milans visit?or something else?

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Yes! received it today.

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GREAT,well thats 7!!??

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Received for goodness sake

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Mr Murray did sell the shops but the one at ibrox remains a rangers and only rangers shop so get ur facts right.

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20 Mar 2012 12:18:00
4th bid in from unknown persons from overseas!

BroonDog

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Name the parties involved,if they are so intrested to take over why hide their light under a bush? Sure if serious should out there sayingthis is how much we buy for, and invest etc. I fear just more false hope

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Bid is from a Mr C Whyte from Monaco !! Seriously - all these bidders seem to have a member of staff or an adviser called C Whyte !? The whole carry on is now beyond a joke !

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20 Mar 2012 12:16:31
4th Bidder in with a potential 5th, anyone know who these are?

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4th bid is fortress american company

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4rth bid from fortress(craig whytes contact), 5th bid from singapour dont know much about them.

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If bids are in why are they not coming out and saying so? why hide? more false hope

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Do hope this right satcoats bear

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I just want my team back where we belong, looking down from the top of the league.
However bearing this in mind i cannot go through this again, club needs run properly.
Just need this resolved quickly as season ticket renewals will be in the post soon and i can imagine the uptake if this is not resoved by this time.

Clubdeck Siren

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We have absolutely no idea who Craig Whyte is involved in (if anyone). Speculation at minute.

Last week it was cloud 9, now it is fortress.

Just sit tight and let the admin do the work.

From recent press, all 3 current bids are garbage!

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Any1 know who the 5th bidder is

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SSN - 4th bid from Overseas apparently

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I realy fear for beloved teddy bears we might never become a great side again and it could be a cricket score on sunday the players cant hanndel the pressure

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Well hopefully we can handle the pressure than the perennial bottlers did last Sunday lol.

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Let sunday deal with its self the players will handle anything celtic will bring we need to let this mess run its course.WE WILL BE BACK!!

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" I just want my team back where we belong, looking down from the top of the league."

As long as its not League 3 you should be delighted.

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20 Mar 2012 11:20:51
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2117400/Rangers-takeover-Blue-Knights-borrow-5m-Ticketus.html

Never heard of ticketus before and still dont like the sound of them. It seems the best way to get out of debt is to buy yourself out of it

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I thought Ticketus were going to 'invest', not merely secure their position as a creditor? Seems more or less back to square one...

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Is this not just what whyte done. I cant stand this think we need to take a step back and notice that we are going into liquidation.

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20 Mar 2012 08:04:24
The daily mail have printed a story
That the "blue knights" need to
borrow 5 million for ticketus to help
there take over bid.........
Doesnt sound good at all

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Might as well keep the debit in the family.

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Just read article, so what the Blue Knights are proposing is to crystalise the Ticketus £24m to be paid back over time. Start date to be agreed, but a large debt carried forward for an undetermined timescale. An additional £5m will be added to the debt, but this will be guaranteed by the 10 Blue Knight investors. So they're not puting their own cash in, just offering guarantees on the £5m debt between them.

So, in summary, they intend to do exactly what CW did and purchase RFC using season ticket money with RFC carrying the debt.

The £5m is to be used to purchase the club and for working capital. So assuming there is 3 months working capital in there to buy time to get the share issue up and running, the purchase price element is going to have to be bargain basement which doesn't put a lot in the pot for the CVA/creditors.

Don't think this one has legs........

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So how do they plan to pay off Ticketus over time and spend an estimated £25m rebuilding the playing squad?

Never heard of a company coming out of administration still owing money. Doesn't stack up. {Ed001's Note - every company coming out of admin still owes money, what on earth are you talking about?}

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No Ed, the debt is either settled in the administration ie. paid in full from assets if secured creditor or CVA or left behind with new company formed and old liquidated. Never heard of 100p in £ of a creditor's debt being carried forward out of administration. {Ed001's Note - rubbish, you obviously don't understand what a CVA is. It is an agreement to pay off a percentage of the debt over a period of time, after exiting admin. Almost every company exits admin still in debt.}

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Wouldnt worry about. plenty of bidders now that another 2 have came in. Blue knights wont be missed

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Your getting confused mate , understandable,no debt after liquidation which no company (#)comes out of

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Basically ticketus are using the blue knights as a vehicle to try to recoup money they paid up front for season tickets rather than write that off.

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How long are we going to continue living on the "never never"

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This story is nothing new. All that is new is the figure of £5 million for working capital. Paul Murray stated quite early on that Ticketus would provide money for working capital in Stage 1 of his process. All that is being quoted now is the amount they would need.

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No one can buy rangers without the go ahead of the majority shareholder Craig whyte!

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I may be wrong but i thought the rangers trust had raised around the 5 million mark why dont they buy in fech ticketus

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Honestly dont believe p murray et all are borrowing even more money.
Seems strange they wont invest their own money

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David Murrays dirty BOS debt just won't go away.

P Murray and his no money knights want to borrow more to own club and get it to end of season. How can an administrator hand a company over to that idea? It's nuts!

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Is this borrowing money from tickitus not the same deal in different clothing that CW had with ticketus? So we will now owe tickitus 30 million? Sorry I don't get the logic

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The fact is that the ticketus money paid off 18m of rangers debt, so paul murray is quite right to honour this debt, as for the other 6m that whyte pocketed , ticketus can chase him for that, paul murray is only doing what is right and thats what real rangers men do..... get behind him and his people they have already stated that the club will be owned by the supporters so whats the problem?

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Are you lot blind or just plain stupid, the administrators have no power to just hand over a company to someone, they have to either get permission to sell the company by Craig whyte or prove his takeover was illegal and then it would become void. Only ten can anyone buy rangers!

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Last post is correct but there is a way that Administrators can seize managment of his shares and manage them as they see best for company if D/P dont know how to do thie they shouldnt be IN THE JOB and our subcontracted Llyod TSB Director should be hauled over the coals aswell somebody must have gave permission for extremly dodgy Ticketus deal to go ahead (not ticketus fault they were duped just as we were) And as for SDM why did he accept an unsigned proof of assets letter from Whytes lawyer couldnt make this shoot up

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The blue knights need to borrow money as they don't have sufficient funds and will have share issue to re-pay the debt.
somethings never change and the fans are shafted once again

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P Murray previously on record saying anyone trying to buy rangers before BTC ruling is made is mad. Now he's bidding to buy.
This guy is also under SFA regulations not a fit and proper person and they need a board meeting to over rule this regulation in his favour ( unlikely).
He is borrowing from Ticketus to buy Eangers, exactly the same as Whyte.
NO CREDIBILITY

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How long are we going to continue living on the "never never"
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When was the last time Rangers did not have an overdraft ?

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20 Mar 2012 07:36:51
going agent is tounting him about to get
him out of rangers in the summer good
he is rubbish is to slow and picks up stupid bookings ross perry before him anyday

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We should have binned him and kept weir

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Aye. Goian has been poor at times but will be glad to have him and Bocanegra back on sunday. We need experience as Celtic will be throwing everything at us as Lennon ragin at cup final defeat.

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Wouldn't have him near the team on sunday, he's got sent off written all over him, another very poor ally signing

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Agent also said if they new admin was in the offing he would not have left his last club. Thought he signed for the jersey, but no, its the money, we could not afford to pay.

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Why would a Romanian sign for the jersey? Away and be wise.

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U lot are tokin craig whyte goians a great big defender if u remember back he had a blinder in the 4-2 game him n captain america make a gd partnership. N as him only bein here fur the money shut up ya clown hes took a 75 % pay cut n knocked bk a move tae china for double the wages bcoz he loves the club so asa said stop tokin craig whyte

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Mcoist only signed him because we couldn't afford cueller

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He's slower than davie weir.

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Apparently he has knocked back a move to china at a fair amount more than he gets here (not even factoring in the pay cut) because he likes it here. I don't think many of our players DON'T like it here otherwise they'd have left - i think he's been a good signing too, though he is slow on the turn. Muzz

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