21 May 2012 20:30:50
Just seen Doncaster on BBC He was asked about the rumour thar a newco rangers will be allowed straight back into the SPL with no further panalties. He just fudged the issue. If this happens Scottish football will be finished . I for one , a season ticket at St. mirren, will not be back . If all club chairmen can see are pound signs, they are going to create havoc .
If no sanctions I suspect Doncaster won't be in his job for long. There will be a lot of empty stadiums in the spl next season if there are no sanctions.
Mate i see wat ur getting at but its not your chairmens fault if we r let in with nothing if u owe debt the bank will make the decision you get more money with us being there so the bank will say let them in or we pull the plug it was said on radio a few weeks back
Doncaster fudges every question on every subject. he's a bottle merchant!
Well that will be around 600 at st mirren games you lot in the spl need rangers and celtic supporters to keep yous alive they come to your grounds in there thousands and spend money
I seen that too. What a joke! Can you imagine how Dunfermline feel about this. I wont be back to the SPL if this happens. I am disgusted by the prospect. This smacks of the biggest con in history of Scottish football.
But then you have to look at the other side of the coin, Would you rather see you team go bust?. Also can you actually sit their and believe that Rangers deserve these punishement? It was not the Fans, the Players or the entity of the club, It was a small number of men how saw pounds signs more than the wee being of the club, they put the club at risk, so what closure will their be for Rangers fans? (of which i am one) we done nothing wrong but are on the verge of loosing our club, sit in a Rangers fans shoes for two seconds and think "is it fair"?. I agree we need Punishements for Rangers, because what happend was a disgrace, but why were these sanctions not imposed on other clubs like Motherwell? Also why have these rules been drawn up know? surly this sjould have been adressed years ago. So dont renew your season ticket, if we dont survive, then they will depened on you to keep the club running until a New Rangers emerges, which by that time will have lead to some smaller teams going under, which i dont want to see.
I'm a rangers fan read in the paper that if rangers were not in spl then, each spl club wud lose out on 600,000 through tv deal tickets! I'm not interested on other clubs finnical status but if a club can't function on that lose then it's really sad on Scottish football if we was to become a newco I wud rather see us start in 3rd div! As takin 75% winnings tv deal etc is just far to much to a club that's in our situation!
Motherwell season ticket holder for over 30 years. It's been rigged in all they years to suit the old firm. I will definately not be renewing it after this shambles. The punishment should have been finalized by now so we all know where we stand next season. If Rangers get into the SPL as a newco the fans of every club in it should force their clubs to resign.
Didn't hear you complaining when Aberdeen were saved from relegation a few years ago due to league reconstruction
Why should a newco face penalties anyway?
A newco is a different company and a different club funded by different backers.
It may happen to have Rangers in the name and it may happen to acquire some of the staff that once worked for RFC. But so what?
I dont want a newco mate , i just want my team to pay the bills and come through this. Reason i think spl /sfa cant do a newco probably because they never thought it would ever happen and probably no rules exist although i think uefa would go mental. Most bears just want our club back to where it can be.
p.s mate thought ur team played some nice football last season..
craig+babybear
I fail to see the objection, a team does not get relegated from the SPL if it exits administration through a CVA. A newco is no different in that creditors are given only a percentage return on their debt.
Rangers will not exist , a new company no matter how similar it looks to old rangers will be a new company and will have to apply for membership of the sfl alongside all the other clubs. A new company cannot parachute into the premier Scottish league just because it pretends to be old rangers.
To the reply about a lot off empty stadiums next year you halving a laugh you seen the crowds the last few years?
I for one , a season ticket at Celtic, will not be back either.
I'm disgusted by the whole mess.
So much corruption and greed within the
people running the business in the SFA and SPL. Lost my trust. Games not beautiful any more, pretty ugly.
I am sick of all of this. I have already decided never to attend or view another spl match. Sauchie juniors for me next year. That is a FACT. We really are just mug punters!
"Why should a newco face penalties anyway?
A newco is a different company and a different club funded by different backers.
It may happen to have Rangers in the name and it may happen to acquire some of the staff that once worked for RFC. But so what?"
A Newco shouldnt face penalties if it starts at the bottom and works its way up. There is no way a NewCo should be allowed to waltz straight back into the top league though.
The only way for a NewCo Rangers to ever be able to hold its head up without shame is if they go to SFL3 and earn their place.
Mac
Why should a newco face penalties anyway?
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Because of the £145 million approx owed to HRMC. How many lives could that save in York Hill?
I have already emailed Pittodrie saying they will lose 3 season ticket sales right away if Aberdeen vote for a newco to get immediate access to the SPL.
Can you folks from other clubs that keep going on about a newco starting in div 3 not read ? Most Rangers fans want us to go and start afresh in Div 3 ! Its only the 11 other SPL (yes 11 includes Lawless though he wont say it publicly) that want to have us there for their own financial reasons. Who thinks that had Hibs not have escaped relegation that we might just have seen league reconstruction similar to Aberdeen as poster above refers to - or perhaps concerns being found about Ross County stadium plans to stop them coming up to keep Hibs there - All interested in their own coffers !
No matter what, i HAVE renewed my season ticket. just because yous got yersels into this mess doesnt mean im gonna stop supporting the hoops.
our team will live on with or without yous.
frankiebhoy
Scottish football will die circa 2012. If money comes before integrity sport dies. Sport is nothing without rules. Doesn't natter which sport, how big, successful or rich u are. Sport is nothing if it's not played on a level paying field and all fans know that no matter how loyal, fanatical
Have the rangers employees who had their tax and ni payments 'diverted' been told how that particular shortfall might affect them in the future ?
years ago a similar thing happened to my wife and it did cause problems with entitlements when the company folded. the owner was jailed. this whole affair is just so bad. heres a boycott idea, everyone should boycott any product or company which sponsors rangers. although i think they may be hard pushed to find any company which would want to be associated with them. the chickens will come home to roost on this. rangers fc should be disbanded and the proceeds given to the staff who lose their jobs. these wide boys jostling for control of this shambles should be sent packing out of our game for good.
Many Rangers' fans want to leave Scottish football let alone the SPL!
And by the way, not many true fans out there as it appears they're ready to abandon their own Clubs risking their very survival. "I won't be back" only harms their own team!!
Im a rangers fan and sadenned by this mess and i to agree the other clubs have lost out too because of the people who ran our club money came first i would be happy to get on some sort of even keel firstly get these debts paid back firstly as for boycotts i will be following the team through thick and thin i want be dictated too by old dinasaurs its about time our house was put in order and stop blaming everyone else if you love the club follow on all this talk of boycots will kill the game rules are rules we broke them end of story
Im a rangers season ticket holder been for thirty odd years i want to take the punishment go to the third and work our way back up guess who wants us to stay yes the chairman of the other clubs get real if we r not there they know its troubled times ahead sad but true its catch 22. ; Cooperboy
Just like what happened the last time Hibs got relegated? As far as conspiracy theories go that one needs work.
Some RFC fans do think sfl3 is the way to go but a significant number think that they shouldnt face any punishment at all because they are the people.
I would have no problem acknowledging a Newco as Rangers if they served their time from division 3 and earned their place at the top table.
What I would really like would be for RFC to be found not guilty of any wrongdoing and to be neck and neck with Celtic but as we all know that isnt the case I think the next best thing is for them to work their way back to prominence.
"Im a rangers fan and sadenned by this mess and i to agree the other clubs have lost out too because of the people who ran our club money came first i would be happy to get on some sort of even keel firstly get these debts paid back firstly as for boycotts i will be following the team through thick and thin i want be dictated too by old dinasaurs its about time our house was put in order and stop blaming everyone else if you love the club follow on all this talk of boycots will kill the game rules are rules we broke them end of story"
That is the best post I have seen on this site. The sooner the fans can get rid of the WATP brigade the better.
Because of the £145 million approx owed to HRMC?? Is that you settled what the bill is now? And also decided the outcome of the court case? I hope Rangers and the HMRC and the judges in the case have been informed of this, they could of just listened to you. Make up some numbers like you have done and not bother with the whole process!
The Yorkhill post says it all. As a football fan l have never felt so low. I thought l loved this game. Not anymore. I hope who ever is responsible for this does jail time. Rangers were part of our heritage and one man destroyed it to !!!!!!! How much did he make from loyal supporters and rich contacts. Bet the man never ran at a loss like Yorkhill. If one good thing comes out of this every SPL team knows we must, if we survive make it a priority we make up the shortfall to the best hospital in Scotland. Maybe it will bring us all together again but l won't hold my breath.
I hope those people who are busy boycotting games and not renewing season tickets because of "integrity" are upholding this in all walks of life! Tax deals etc are made all the time, people are only upset as its Rangers and they want to see them go down! They tried a tax aviodance system, it looks like it hasnt worked, now they will maybe cut a deal or maybe they wont! Companies and businesses have been doing this for years, GSK and Vodaphone to name a few, I hope people are upholding integrity by refusing to renew thier mobile contract or refusing to use GSK drugs!
Reading some of these posts breaks my heart, the genuine Rangers fans are hurting. Not blaming everyone else. I hope they get a chance to get there house in order. Speak up and be heard!!!!!
Rangers and Celtic players have always done well for Yorkhill. Will Sic David Murray do the same and eventually pay some money out his own pocket, Don't think so. Answers on a postcard. He has destroyed Scottish football and Rangers.
No team in Europe has cheated anywhere near what Rangers have to massage Sic David Murrays ego. Hope he reads the Yorkhill post. May also put Sandy Jardine in line with the true Rangers football fans. They are the ones who will suffer. When things went pear shaped they should have looked for sympathy from other fans, not threats. Hopefully the real Rangers football fans save the club. Good luck guys and l hope you's pull through but get rid of the deadwood who are turning every other paying supporter against you's. You know who they are!!!!!!!!!!!
I got a bit annoyed seeing yorkhill used here.speaking as a one time frequent visitor. That place is a god send, nurses , drs working all hours against all odds for buttons compared to footballers. To be fair both teams did as I assume still do visit - you have no idea how uplifting this can be for a sick kid , whose day is either stuck in bed or awaiting operations. My point ? I'm disgusted by the whole sorry saga - I initially thought using yorkhill was a bit emotive but actually the guys right- this is money that could have helped save lives and yorkhill is always cash strapped. We all seem to know the price of everything but the value of nothing. RIP Gerard we love you x. Joe
I am a Rangers fan trying to take a step back and look at the big picture by objectively considering what, in my opinion, are a few key points. Apologies in advance for the length of the post but it is far from a simple process.
1. How did we get here? Fifteen plus years of financial mismanagement by two individuals corroborated by consecutive boards who looked the other way to keep their pay cheques instead of speaking out and potentially limiting the long term damage that was being done to our club. The multiple supporters trusts have fallen short in terms of their responsibilities too as have the shareholders who attended the AGM's etc in this regard. Questions should have been asked but weren't. The ordinary fans, myself included, were oblivious and too trusting until it was too late. The result - massive debt which will never be paid back in full, potential dual contracts and the removal of titles resulting in almost universal animosity towards us from every supporter of the other SPL clubs who feel they have been cheated. Also, we do not yet know the full extent of the debt involved as the investigations/legal cases have not been concluded. This has resulted in prejudgements of guilt (being cheated) and figures varying between £30m and £130m.
2. Football, for the fans at least, is entirely emotive; businesses in the 'real' world cannot afford to be emotive. In business this scenario occurs all too often within the boom and bust culture created by capitalism and barely an eyebrow is raised. Businesses regularly fold leaving huge debts and phoenix businesses rise in their place and carry on as if nothing had happened. Morals are left by the wayside. When it comes to a high profile football club not paying its taxes and potentially having cheated its way to titles, morals (quite rightly in my own opinion) take the fore ahead of the financial implications for the fans as they undoubtedly would for the creditors of said folding businesses. However, chairmen are businessmen and cannot afford to act upon morals alone. They are in place solely to protect the best interests of their own clubs. If morals happen to run in conjunction with the best interests of the club they represent or they can afford to take the hit then everyone is happy. Unfortunately they rarely do and we are talking about one of the Old Firm on the brink which, whether we like it or not, makes a significant difference to the money men. The banks were bailed out against popular opinion not for the benefit of their customers (us) but purely to safeguard the future of the finance sector because those in power, who apparently represent us and allegedly act in our best interests, felt that was the right thing to do. The majority of us disagreed but we still keep our money in them and keep them afloat despite what happened.
3. There are no fixed rules in place for adequately dealing with the various issues that have arisen and the future issues that have potentially still to surface. This has added to the confusion no end and has resulted in extremes with one point of view suggesting that Rangers are getting unfairly 'let of lightly' and the other claiming that the punishments are 'draconian and too harsh'. If set guidelines were in place from the start then morally the issue would have been far less complicated than it has turned out to be. We would all then know whether the decisions were too light or too harsh and wouldn't be left having to say "if this happens or that happens".
4. What if it is a Newco? If the end result is a Newco then the overwhelming majority of supporters (including the majority of Rangers fans which seems conveniently forgotten in all of this) would like to see us start again in the third division, if accepted, and earn our place back in the SPL. That, for the fans at least, is the only way that Rangers can rise from this and remotely stand a chance of regaining a healthy reputation within Scottish football whilst being suitably punished for their sins.
5, Why would allowing a Newco into the SPL even be considered given the obvious backlash such a decision would receive from the fans? Money, plain and simple. As highlighted above Rangers expulsion would result in the approximate loss of £600,000 per annum per club which may end up significantly higher still if sponsors and SKY reconfigure deals or pull out of Scottish football altogether in the near future.
6. Why can't the other clubs 'function' when faced with the loss of £600,000 per year? The creation of the SPL resulted in clubs agreeing to the demands of the Old Firm. If they did not agree they would be refused entry into the SPL and another club offered their place. Their hands were tied and it was entirely driven by the Old Firm. 80% of the turnover within the SPL was consequently split between both halves of the divide. That was not the case prior to the conception of the SPL. The remaining clubs were left to fight it out for an incremental percentage of the remaining 20%, hardly a huge financial sum to survive on. To remain in the SPL they have to be semi competitive, that requires a reasonable wage budget. Furthermore, the requirements for admission into the SPL (all seater stadia, undersoil heating, etc) has placed perhaps the greatest financial burden on the SPL member clubs as the figures for meeting them would comfortably stretch into the millions in terms of long term debt. Attendances are poor and these clubs will make very little in comparison to the Old Firm in terms of merchandise and hospitality. The financial playing field has become increasingly uneven mainly due to the greed of the Old Firm (if we are being honest) and the majority of these clubs are now more or less entirely financially reliant on BOTH teams remaining within the SPL. Some, quite literally, for their continued survival and others to remain even remotely competitive within the league.
7. What comes first: sporting integrity or the financial security of independent, innocent clubs. For me sporting integrity but then again I am thankfully not a chairman of one of the member clubs tasked with making the decision.
8. Hence we arrive at the position we are in now. Sporting integrity, against the wishes of the majority of fans, potentially compromised in order for individual clubs to secure their financial futures by retaining a Rangers newco, if that indeed does come to pass, within the SPL when we should be booted into the third division. Rangers fans are not asking for, or particularly wanting this to happen, unfortunately the management of the club are which is not helping our cause either. However, they are businessmen as well and if retained within the SPL will also appeal (as brass necked as it would be) any sanctions imposed (there will be some be it 75%, points deductions, etc) as they will be operating in the best interests of the club just as the chairmen of the other clubs will be by retaining them in the first place.
Rangers fans face a lose, lose situation with either outcome: CVA agreed and we are known as the tax dodging cheats forever more; or as a Newco retained within the SPL due to the self interest of the other clubs whilst still getting hammered from all sides for 'getting off with it' purely because we remained in the SPL despite the vast majority of our fans wanting to go to the third division and pay our penance.
Just now is not a good time to be a Rangers supporter but I shall remain one none the less no matter how gutted I am by all the goings on. I just want it over with as soon as possible one way or another so we can all get back to what we enjoy doing: watching and talking about football.
Brian
Motherwell season ticket holder for over 30 years. it's been rigged in all they years to suit the old firm.
really. rigged?
evidence? or belly rumble?
bil72
I'm getting sick of this old excuse for not punishing Rangers "It was not the Fans, the Players or the entity of the club...", well it was actually the entity of the club Murray/Whyte + directors = Rangers under the law), but that aside, the players and the fans benefited from the way Rangers were run. The players were well paid (well above what the club could afford) and the fans enjoyed success which maybe they shouldn't have had the club not been run on debtors money. Since the players and the fans benefited from the wrong doing, should they not have to bear some of the punishment?
I don't go with this argument that clubs will fold, they will alter the finances to suit the income. With Rangers out of the way, they can increase their income as they will finally be able to vote through rule changes, say shared gate money. Might not suit Celtic, but could be a way forward.
What kind of league do we have if its whole existance depends on one or two clubs. Maybe this is is just the tip of the iceberg. Football throughout Europe has been living beyond its means for years and it is time for a reality check. Am I the only one who thinks the wages of some players is obscene?
Al
TYPICAL they quit rightly want to punish us for breaking the rules.Bot want to break the laws of the land to do so talk about hypocrites
Iwould see some fans point if they really felt that strong about it that theyd go to the point of not renewing their season tickets but i think its much more than this , therere could be a chance some teaams could go out of buisness but would risk this as long as rangers get hammered , its pure hatred against rangers , they all hate rangers more than they love their own club , simple as
Livingstone were bumped to SFL div 3 for simply going into Administration. Rangers have been in Administrationfor several months but why still in SPL?
Entering SPL still in Admin is a 10 point penalty but entering as a NewCo means no penalties? Ridiculous!
Mr Doncaster is an administrator, the Chairmen of the SPL with one vote each, and the voting regulations is where the power is.
I place my trust with men of integrity doing the right thing. Sporting Integrity above all.
No club in the history of Scottish football have brought not just football but the reputation of all Scotland to such a low.
"Motherwell season ticket holder for over 30 years."
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Well that's displays the complete hypocrisy of the Scottish Football fan doesn't it.
You go into administration, cancel the contracts of many hard working players and staff, emerge from administration then start re-signing new players a few months later, all with no sanctions yet you throw your dummy out the pram now!
Amazing.
"I place my trust with men of integrity doing the right thing. Sporting Integrity above all.
No club in the history of Scottish football have brought not just football but the reputation of all Scotland to such a low."
The SPL board has no integrity how can any of them be seen to vote fairly every single member has their own agenda whether is financial or for a sporting edge it simply cant be seen as a fair vote. Liewell has already said he will do what is best for Celtic so Eric Reilly will speed dial him and ask how to vote. Thomson has already said Dundee Utd need the money.....Motherwell have a board member...a club that was in administration and benefited with the only punishment being a 10 point deduction.... and you my friend are looking for integrity you are having a laugh arent you.
Daz
We want to go to div3 so i will tell all you lot with your total ba--ocks nonsense about not renewing your season tickets what to do.Lift your phone and call your own chairman and tell him if u vote to keep rangers in i will not renew my season ticket.And then he will turn round and tell you little timmy renew it now and i promise i wont vote them in.Then in a couple of weeks when we are voted in u can phone him back up and say but u promised.But guess what then u will feel the same way us rangers fans fell lied to by people who u r supposed to trust.
"its pure hatred against rangers , they all hate rangers more than they love their own club , simple"
And this kind of persecution complex / paranoia doesn't help.
LOL @ the Motherwell fan.....got let off SCOTFREE yet has the gaul coming on here.
As for the Livingston fan, didnt Livvie go in to administration TWICE? Hence they got sent to Div 3 by the SFL
Motherwell didn't do half of what Rangers have regarding non-payments etc.
I think many a team in Europe has cheated much more than rangers thru the years. And I'm talking about proven cases. Anderlecht in the 80's Marseille, jive, the Turks. As far as I am aware rangers have not been proven to cheat.
I am more optimistic about Scottish Football than I have been for a while. Reasons...3 different clubs won trophies' this season, Motherwell reduced prices and 7,500 fans turned up at Fir Park,Hearts and Hibs fans could have filled Hampden 3 times over for the Cup Final and over 100,000 people turned up in Edinburgh for Hearts Cup victory parade. If pricing is right for matchday tickets and a level playing field ican be achieved through sporting integrity there is still a big interest in and therefore future for the game in Scotland,Rangers or no Rangers in the SPL
"Motherwell didn't do half of what Rangers have regarding non-payments etc."
That's a cracker!!
The level of debt seems to make it acceptable or not then.
The irony of it all look the bottom line is rangers are the biggest club in scotland it was bad enough when all the timmies were obsessed with us now it looks like all the other clubs r.Honestly i think us gers fans should be happy there all on here it just proves how big we are.Secondly noboby cared when motherwell livi dundee and gretna went bust because they are not big boys like us and like in the playground if a big boy is down everyone wants a shot at sticking the boot in.
Good post Brian
Well said Brian.
Hearts and Hibs filling Hampden 3 times over?? Get a grip pal, if only those 100000 chose to goto games every week eh?
LMAO
Who cares about Motherwell, Livi, clubs in other countries? Rangers have been dealt with on the merits of their case and will continue to be. Deal with it - greeting about it will do nothing.
Specially if the big boy is a corrupt bully and thief.
To whoever said nobody cared when Gretna went belly up
Ask their creditors, who were royally stuffed. Meanwhile the deceased owner's wife still manages to buy a 800k mansion.
A newco that has the same staff, same gound, same players as the oldco, should not be treated as a different football club. Especially when the owner of the oldco and the newco will be the same and the two companies will be merged within a season.
Rangers debt will be wiped clean in both scenarios, no different to other SPL teams that have exited administration. The newco will face the same penalties as the oldco for goodness sake.
Since when did a clubs identity and history be disallowed or determined by a temporary financial-corporate technicality ?
Get real, Rangers newco is Rangers.
Anorak.
Well said the man (or woman) who wrote the post starting "I am more optimistic about Scottish football...".
I agree, it was great to see the trophys spread around and I love the build up to the cup final. Shame Hibs never turned up though.
Al
Daz - you make a great point about the supposed unbiased 'integrity' of those involved in the decision making process. Everyone involved in football has an agenda.
Al - I still can't agree fully with the start of your post but we are not far off being on the same wavelength regards the rest of it. Particularly in relation to it being a European, rather than a singularly Scottish, problem (Man Utd - 500m in debt, Real and Barca owe the Spanish government about the same in tax, etc, etc - there are loads of examples and the system will have to implode at some point as it is unsustainable as it is).
My opinion is that Rangers being demoted to Div3 could end up being the best thing to happen within Scottish football in forty or fifty years. Some prominent clubs WILL fold as the Killie chairman has more or less said as much in relation to his club, for example. Others may end up returning to part time football. However, the long term benefits would outweigh the short term losses for me. The voting structure and the league structure (leagues of 14 clubs upwards) would inevitably change as the Old Firm would no longer have an unfair stranglehold over Scottish football. Consequently any generated income would be spread more evenly throughout the league/s in the manner it used to be. We may not fill even half of Ibrox in the lower divisions but that on its own would considerably boost the coffers of the lower end clubs and, if managed in a prudent manner, may allow them to become more competitive as a consequence too. Youth would get a chance as no-one (bar Celtic initially) would be able to afford johnny foreigner journeymen. If that happens our national team may also improve dramatically over the following five to ten years and we may start qualifying for tournaments again the way we used to as more Scots would be playing consistently at a reasonable level. Obviously this is just conjecture, maybe even a pipe dream, but I honestly believe it to be logical in terms of how it could easily develop that way. Then, when the rest of European football hits the buffers, we will have had a head start and may start improving our overall co-efficient for a little while before they catch up.
That is the ultimate win, win scenario for me: an improved product overall and being able to hold my head high again as a Rangers supporter after my club had paid its proper dues for the wrongdoings that have occurred. Unfortunately, for the reasons I listed above, I doubt we will ever get the chance to find out for sure. I sincerely hope sporting integrity does win the day and we are demoted to Div3 but I simply can't see it being allowed to happen. As Daz succinctly said: they will all have their own agendas.
Brian
4 men had a dream 2 directors had a nightmare my point is rangers football club was always well run in the past in recent times i cant say that honestly through the good work of our pioneers and mr bill struth this has been lost mr struth who ran the club was a well respected man admired by everyone in the scottish game he was so popular even with the celtic support who had high regard for the man mr struth had a greenhouse outside the staduim were the celtic fans entered ibrox for the old firm game not once was it vandalised in the years he was at ibrox this is the kind of person we need back at the helm its about time we faced the music the fans have been taken for granted i cant believe the currant position of the club im dishearted for our supporters who payed hard earned money im upset other clubs have lost out too and other creditors im upset for the players and coaching staff im upset about the watp gang who have glued themselves to our club im fed up about boycott talk i fed up about the lies as a fan i will still follow on and watch the team i love there are too many of our fans in denial lets get our respect back first and formost move on it might be a weak team but we will get our creditbilty back let get our club back to a sporting great where football is talked about instead of all these sorry excuses lets grow up and take it on the chin
As a rangers fan i want us do do well as a football fan i want the other clubs to do well too i want a good competative league all fans of all teams turning up i urge fellow bears please dont boycott or any other club fans for tit for tat it will kill the game in scotland if you support your team whatever the club always give the team full support if you can rangers fan
Brian, a couple of genuinely sensible posts. I agree with almost everything you said which is novel on here! Pity people like you aren't leading the RST.
A competitive Scottish league would be to the benefit of the fans, the owners, Sky, the scottish game and the national team. But would Celtic and Rangers be happy to not have your Gasgoine's and Sutton's and champions league group stages?
Anorak you are welcome to keep your history if you keep all of it. Keep the 54 titles if you pay the £135 million that was used to buy it.
Just to be clear, Doncaster will not let Rangers back in, the other SPL clubs will vote on it. Each club will have their say and its up to them to collectively make this judgement, not Doncaster.