Rangers Rumours Archive May 21 2012

 

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21 May 2012 20:30:50
Just seen Doncaster on BBC He was asked about the rumour thar a newco rangers will be allowed straight back into the SPL with no further panalties. He just fudged the issue. If this happens Scottish football will be finished . I for one , a season ticket at St. mirren, will not be back . If all club chairmen can see are pound signs, they are going to create havoc .

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If no sanctions I suspect Doncaster won't be in his job for long. There will be a lot of empty stadiums in the spl next season if there are no sanctions.

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Mate i see wat ur getting at but its not your chairmens fault if we r let in with nothing if u owe debt the bank will make the decision you get more money with us being there so the bank will say let them in or we pull the plug it was said on radio a few weeks back

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Doncaster fudges every question on every subject. he's a bottle merchant!

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Well that will be around 600 at st mirren games you lot in the spl need rangers and celtic supporters to keep yous alive they come to your grounds in there thousands and spend money

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I seen that too. What a joke! Can you imagine how Dunfermline feel about this. I wont be back to the SPL if this happens. I am disgusted by the prospect. This smacks of the biggest con in history of Scottish football.

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But then you have to look at the other side of the coin, Would you rather see you team go bust?. Also can you actually sit their and believe that Rangers deserve these punishement? It was not the Fans, the Players or the entity of the club, It was a small number of men how saw pounds signs more than the wee being of the club, they put the club at risk, so what closure will their be for Rangers fans? (of which i am one) we done nothing wrong but are on the verge of loosing our club, sit in a Rangers fans shoes for two seconds and think "is it fair"?. I agree we need Punishements for Rangers, because what happend was a disgrace, but why were these sanctions not imposed on other clubs like Motherwell? Also why have these rules been drawn up know? surly this sjould have been adressed years ago. So dont renew your season ticket, if we dont survive, then they will depened on you to keep the club running until a New Rangers emerges, which by that time will have lead to some smaller teams going under, which i dont want to see.

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I'm a rangers fan read in the paper that if rangers were not in spl then, each spl club wud lose out on 600,000 through tv deal tickets! I'm not interested on other clubs finnical status but if a club can't function on that lose then it's really sad on Scottish football if we was to become a newco I wud rather see us start in 3rd div! As takin 75% winnings tv deal etc is just far to much to a club that's in our situation!

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Motherwell season ticket holder for over 30 years. It's been rigged in all they years to suit the old firm. I will definately not be renewing it after this shambles. The punishment should have been finalized by now so we all know where we stand next season. If Rangers get into the SPL as a newco the fans of every club in it should force their clubs to resign.

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Didn't hear you complaining when Aberdeen were saved from relegation a few years ago due to league reconstruction

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Why should a newco face penalties anyway?
A newco is a different company and a different club funded by different backers.
It may happen to have Rangers in the name and it may happen to acquire some of the staff that once worked for RFC. But so what?

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I dont want a newco mate , i just want my team to pay the bills and come through this. Reason i think spl /sfa cant do a newco probably because they never thought it would ever happen and probably no rules exist although i think uefa would go mental. Most bears just want our club back to where it can be.
p.s mate thought ur team played some nice football last season..
craig+babybear

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I fail to see the objection, a team does not get relegated from the SPL if it exits administration through a CVA. A newco is no different in that creditors are given only a percentage return on their debt.

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Rangers will not exist , a new company no matter how similar it looks to old rangers will be a new company and will have to apply for membership of the sfl alongside all the other clubs. A new company cannot parachute into the premier Scottish league just because it pretends to be old rangers.

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To the reply about a lot off empty stadiums next year you halving a laugh you seen the crowds the last few years?

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I for one , a season ticket at Celtic, will not be back either.
I'm disgusted by the whole mess.
So much corruption and greed within the
people running the business in the SFA and SPL. Lost my trust. Games not beautiful any more, pretty ugly.

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I am sick of all of this. I have already decided never to attend or view another spl match. Sauchie juniors for me next year. That is a FACT. We really are just mug punters!

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"Why should a newco face penalties anyway?
A newco is a different company and a different club funded by different backers.
It may happen to have Rangers in the name and it may happen to acquire some of the staff that once worked for RFC. But so what?"

A Newco shouldnt face penalties if it starts at the bottom and works its way up. There is no way a NewCo should be allowed to waltz straight back into the top league though.

The only way for a NewCo Rangers to ever be able to hold its head up without shame is if they go to SFL3 and earn their place.

Mac

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Why should a newco face penalties anyway?
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Because of the £145 million approx owed to HRMC. How many lives could that save in York Hill?

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I have already emailed Pittodrie saying they will lose 3 season ticket sales right away if Aberdeen vote for a newco to get immediate access to the SPL.

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Can you folks from other clubs that keep going on about a newco starting in div 3 not read ? Most Rangers fans want us to go and start afresh in Div 3 ! Its only the 11 other SPL (yes 11 includes Lawless though he wont say it publicly) that want to have us there for their own financial reasons. Who thinks that had Hibs not have escaped relegation that we might just have seen league reconstruction similar to Aberdeen as poster above refers to - or perhaps concerns being found about Ross County stadium plans to stop them coming up to keep Hibs there - All interested in their own coffers !

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No matter what, i HAVE renewed my season ticket. just because yous got yersels into this mess doesnt mean im gonna stop supporting the hoops.
our team will live on with or without yous.
frankiebhoy

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Scottish football will die circa 2012. If money comes before integrity sport dies. Sport is nothing without rules. Doesn't natter which sport, how big, successful or rich u are. Sport is nothing if it's not played on a level paying field and all fans know that no matter how loyal, fanatical

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Have the rangers employees who had their tax and ni payments 'diverted' been told how that particular shortfall might affect them in the future ?
years ago a similar thing happened to my wife and it did cause problems with entitlements when the company folded. the owner was jailed. this whole affair is just so bad. heres a boycott idea, everyone should boycott any product or company which sponsors rangers. although i think they may be hard pushed to find any company which would want to be associated with them. the chickens will come home to roost on this. rangers fc should be disbanded and the proceeds given to the staff who lose their jobs. these wide boys jostling for control of this shambles should be sent packing out of our game for good.

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Many Rangers' fans want to leave Scottish football let alone the SPL!
And by the way, not many true fans out there as it appears they're ready to abandon their own Clubs risking their very survival. "I won't be back" only harms their own team!!

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Im a rangers fan and sadenned by this mess and i to agree the other clubs have lost out too because of the people who ran our club money came first i would be happy to get on some sort of even keel firstly get these debts paid back firstly as for boycotts i will be following the team through thick and thin i want be dictated too by old dinasaurs its about time our house was put in order and stop blaming everyone else if you love the club follow on all this talk of boycots will kill the game rules are rules we broke them end of story

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Im a rangers season ticket holder been for thirty odd years i want to take the punishment go to the third and work our way back up guess who wants us to stay yes the chairman of the other clubs get real if we r not there they know its troubled times ahead sad but true its catch 22. ; Cooperboy

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Just like what happened the last time Hibs got relegated? As far as conspiracy theories go that one needs work.

Some RFC fans do think sfl3 is the way to go but a significant number think that they shouldnt face any punishment at all because they are the people.

I would have no problem acknowledging a Newco as Rangers if they served their time from division 3 and earned their place at the top table.

What I would really like would be for RFC to be found not guilty of any wrongdoing and to be neck and neck with Celtic but as we all know that isnt the case I think the next best thing is for them to work their way back to prominence.

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"Im a rangers fan and sadenned by this mess and i to agree the other clubs have lost out too because of the people who ran our club money came first i would be happy to get on some sort of even keel firstly get these debts paid back firstly as for boycotts i will be following the team through thick and thin i want be dictated too by old dinasaurs its about time our house was put in order and stop blaming everyone else if you love the club follow on all this talk of boycots will kill the game rules are rules we broke them end of story"

That is the best post I have seen on this site. The sooner the fans can get rid of the WATP brigade the better.

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Because of the £145 million approx owed to HRMC?? Is that you settled what the bill is now? And also decided the outcome of the court case? I hope Rangers and the HMRC and the judges in the case have been informed of this, they could of just listened to you. Make up some numbers like you have done and not bother with the whole process!

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The Yorkhill post says it all. As a football fan l have never felt so low. I thought l loved this game. Not anymore. I hope who ever is responsible for this does jail time. Rangers were part of our heritage and one man destroyed it to !!!!!!! How much did he make from loyal supporters and rich contacts. Bet the man never ran at a loss like Yorkhill. If one good thing comes out of this every SPL team knows we must, if we survive make it a priority we make up the shortfall to the best hospital in Scotland. Maybe it will bring us all together again but l won't hold my breath.

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I hope those people who are busy boycotting games and not renewing season tickets because of "integrity" are upholding this in all walks of life! Tax deals etc are made all the time, people are only upset as its Rangers and they want to see them go down! They tried a tax aviodance system, it looks like it hasnt worked, now they will maybe cut a deal or maybe they wont! Companies and businesses have been doing this for years, GSK and Vodaphone to name a few, I hope people are upholding integrity by refusing to renew thier mobile contract or refusing to use GSK drugs!

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Reading some of these posts breaks my heart, the genuine Rangers fans are hurting. Not blaming everyone else. I hope they get a chance to get there house in order. Speak up and be heard!!!!!

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Rangers and Celtic players have always done well for Yorkhill. Will Sic David Murray do the same and eventually pay some money out his own pocket, Don't think so. Answers on a postcard. He has destroyed Scottish football and Rangers.

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No team in Europe has cheated anywhere near what Rangers have to massage Sic David Murrays ego. Hope he reads the Yorkhill post. May also put Sandy Jardine in line with the true Rangers football fans. They are the ones who will suffer. When things went pear shaped they should have looked for sympathy from other fans, not threats. Hopefully the real Rangers football fans save the club. Good luck guys and l hope you's pull through but get rid of the deadwood who are turning every other paying supporter against you's. You know who they are!!!!!!!!!!!

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I got a bit annoyed seeing yorkhill used here.speaking as a one time frequent visitor. That place is a god send, nurses , drs working all hours against all odds for buttons compared to footballers. To be fair both teams did as I assume still do visit - you have no idea how uplifting this can be for a sick kid , whose day is either stuck in bed or awaiting operations. My point ? I'm disgusted by the whole sorry saga - I initially thought using yorkhill was a bit emotive but actually the guys right- this is money that could have helped save lives and yorkhill is always cash strapped. We all seem to know the price of everything but the value of nothing. RIP Gerard we love you x. Joe

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I am a Rangers fan trying to take a step back and look at the big picture by objectively considering what, in my opinion, are a few key points. Apologies in advance for the length of the post but it is far from a simple process.

1. How did we get here? Fifteen plus years of financial mismanagement by two individuals corroborated by consecutive boards who looked the other way to keep their pay cheques instead of speaking out and potentially limiting the long term damage that was being done to our club. The multiple supporters trusts have fallen short in terms of their responsibilities too as have the shareholders who attended the AGM's etc in this regard. Questions should have been asked but weren't. The ordinary fans, myself included, were oblivious and too trusting until it was too late. The result - massive debt which will never be paid back in full, potential dual contracts and the removal of titles resulting in almost universal animosity towards us from every supporter of the other SPL clubs who feel they have been cheated. Also, we do not yet know the full extent of the debt involved as the investigations/legal cases have not been concluded. This has resulted in prejudgements of guilt (being cheated) and figures varying between £30m and £130m.

2. Football, for the fans at least, is entirely emotive; businesses in the 'real' world cannot afford to be emotive. In business this scenario occurs all too often within the boom and bust culture created by capitalism and barely an eyebrow is raised. Businesses regularly fold leaving huge debts and phoenix businesses rise in their place and carry on as if nothing had happened. Morals are left by the wayside. When it comes to a high profile football club not paying its taxes and potentially having cheated its way to titles, morals (quite rightly in my own opinion) take the fore ahead of the financial implications for the fans as they undoubtedly would for the creditors of said folding businesses. However, chairmen are businessmen and cannot afford to act upon morals alone. They are in place solely to protect the best interests of their own clubs. If morals happen to run in conjunction with the best interests of the club they represent or they can afford to take the hit then everyone is happy. Unfortunately they rarely do and we are talking about one of the Old Firm on the brink which, whether we like it or not, makes a significant difference to the money men. The banks were bailed out against popular opinion not for the benefit of their customers (us) but purely to safeguard the future of the finance sector because those in power, who apparently represent us and allegedly act in our best interests, felt that was the right thing to do. The majority of us disagreed but we still keep our money in them and keep them afloat despite what happened.

3. There are no fixed rules in place for adequately dealing with the various issues that have arisen and the future issues that have potentially still to surface. This has added to the confusion no end and has resulted in extremes with one point of view suggesting that Rangers are getting unfairly 'let of lightly' and the other claiming that the punishments are 'draconian and too harsh'. If set guidelines were in place from the start then morally the issue would have been far less complicated than it has turned out to be. We would all then know whether the decisions were too light or too harsh and wouldn't be left having to say "if this happens or that happens".

4. What if it is a Newco? If the end result is a Newco then the overwhelming majority of supporters (including the majority of Rangers fans which seems conveniently forgotten in all of this) would like to see us start again in the third division, if accepted, and earn our place back in the SPL. That, for the fans at least, is the only way that Rangers can rise from this and remotely stand a chance of regaining a healthy reputation within Scottish football whilst being suitably punished for their sins.

5, Why would allowing a Newco into the SPL even be considered given the obvious backlash such a decision would receive from the fans? Money, plain and simple. As highlighted above Rangers expulsion would result in the approximate loss of £600,000 per annum per club which may end up significantly higher still if sponsors and SKY reconfigure deals or pull out of Scottish football altogether in the near future.

6. Why can't the other clubs 'function' when faced with the loss of £600,000 per year? The creation of the SPL resulted in clubs agreeing to the demands of the Old Firm. If they did not agree they would be refused entry into the SPL and another club offered their place. Their hands were tied and it was entirely driven by the Old Firm. 80% of the turnover within the SPL was consequently split between both halves of the divide. That was not the case prior to the conception of the SPL. The remaining clubs were left to fight it out for an incremental percentage of the remaining 20%, hardly a huge financial sum to survive on. To remain in the SPL they have to be semi competitive, that requires a reasonable wage budget. Furthermore, the requirements for admission into the SPL (all seater stadia, undersoil heating, etc) has placed perhaps the greatest financial burden on the SPL member clubs as the figures for meeting them would comfortably stretch into the millions in terms of long term debt. Attendances are poor and these clubs will make very little in comparison to the Old Firm in terms of merchandise and hospitality. The financial playing field has become increasingly uneven mainly due to the greed of the Old Firm (if we are being honest) and the majority of these clubs are now more or less entirely financially reliant on BOTH teams remaining within the SPL. Some, quite literally, for their continued survival and others to remain even remotely competitive within the league.

7. What comes first: sporting integrity or the financial security of independent, innocent clubs. For me sporting integrity but then again I am thankfully not a chairman of one of the member clubs tasked with making the decision.

8. Hence we arrive at the position we are in now. Sporting integrity, against the wishes of the majority of fans, potentially compromised in order for individual clubs to secure their financial futures by retaining a Rangers newco, if that indeed does come to pass, within the SPL when we should be booted into the third division. Rangers fans are not asking for, or particularly wanting this to happen, unfortunately the management of the club are which is not helping our cause either. However, they are businessmen as well and if retained within the SPL will also appeal (as brass necked as it would be) any sanctions imposed (there will be some be it 75%, points deductions, etc) as they will be operating in the best interests of the club just as the chairmen of the other clubs will be by retaining them in the first place.

Rangers fans face a lose, lose situation with either outcome: CVA agreed and we are known as the tax dodging cheats forever more; or as a Newco retained within the SPL due to the self interest of the other clubs whilst still getting hammered from all sides for 'getting off with it' purely because we remained in the SPL despite the vast majority of our fans wanting to go to the third division and pay our penance.

Just now is not a good time to be a Rangers supporter but I shall remain one none the less no matter how gutted I am by all the goings on. I just want it over with as soon as possible one way or another so we can all get back to what we enjoy doing: watching and talking about football.

Brian

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Motherwell season ticket holder for over 30 years. it's been rigged in all they years to suit the old firm.

really. rigged?

evidence? or belly rumble?

bil72

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I'm getting sick of this old excuse for not punishing Rangers "It was not the Fans, the Players or the entity of the club...", well it was actually the entity of the club Murray/Whyte + directors = Rangers under the law), but that aside, the players and the fans benefited from the way Rangers were run. The players were well paid (well above what the club could afford) and the fans enjoyed success which maybe they shouldn't have had the club not been run on debtors money. Since the players and the fans benefited from the wrong doing, should they not have to bear some of the punishment?
I don't go with this argument that clubs will fold, they will alter the finances to suit the income. With Rangers out of the way, they can increase their income as they will finally be able to vote through rule changes, say shared gate money. Might not suit Celtic, but could be a way forward.
What kind of league do we have if its whole existance depends on one or two clubs. Maybe this is is just the tip of the iceberg. Football throughout Europe has been living beyond its means for years and it is time for a reality check. Am I the only one who thinks the wages of some players is obscene?
Al

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TYPICAL they quit rightly want to punish us for breaking the rules.Bot want to break the laws of the land to do so talk about hypocrites

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Iwould see some fans point if they really felt that strong about it that theyd go to the point of not renewing their season tickets but i think its much more than this , therere could be a chance some teaams could go out of buisness but would risk this as long as rangers get hammered , its pure hatred against rangers , they all hate rangers more than they love their own club , simple as

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Livingstone were bumped to SFL div 3 for simply going into Administration. Rangers have been in Administrationfor several months but why still in SPL?
Entering SPL still in Admin is a 10 point penalty but entering as a NewCo means no penalties? Ridiculous!
Mr Doncaster is an administrator, the Chairmen of the SPL with one vote each, and the voting regulations is where the power is.
I place my trust with men of integrity doing the right thing. Sporting Integrity above all.
No club in the history of Scottish football have brought not just football but the reputation of all Scotland to such a low.

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"Motherwell season ticket holder for over 30 years."
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Well that's displays the complete hypocrisy of the Scottish Football fan doesn't it.

You go into administration, cancel the contracts of many hard working players and staff, emerge from administration then start re-signing new players a few months later, all with no sanctions yet you throw your dummy out the pram now!

Amazing.

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"I place my trust with men of integrity doing the right thing. Sporting Integrity above all.
No club in the history of Scottish football have brought not just football but the reputation of all Scotland to such a low."

The SPL board has no integrity how can any of them be seen to vote fairly every single member has their own agenda whether is financial or for a sporting edge it simply cant be seen as a fair vote. Liewell has already said he will do what is best for Celtic so Eric Reilly will speed dial him and ask how to vote. Thomson has already said Dundee Utd need the money.....Motherwell have a board member...a club that was in administration and benefited with the only punishment being a 10 point deduction.... and you my friend are looking for integrity you are having a laugh arent you.

Daz

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We want to go to div3 so i will tell all you lot with your total ba--ocks nonsense about not renewing your season tickets what to do.Lift your phone and call your own chairman and tell him if u vote to keep rangers in i will not renew my season ticket.And then he will turn round and tell you little timmy renew it now and i promise i wont vote them in.Then in a couple of weeks when we are voted in u can phone him back up and say but u promised.But guess what then u will feel the same way us rangers fans fell lied to by people who u r supposed to trust.

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"its pure hatred against rangers , they all hate rangers more than they love their own club , simple"

And this kind of persecution complex / paranoia doesn't help.

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LOL @ the Motherwell fan.....got let off SCOTFREE yet has the gaul coming on here.

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As for the Livingston fan, didnt Livvie go in to administration TWICE? Hence they got sent to Div 3 by the SFL

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Motherwell didn't do half of what Rangers have regarding non-payments etc.

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I think many a team in Europe has cheated much more than rangers thru the years. And I'm talking about proven cases. Anderlecht in the 80's Marseille, jive, the Turks. As far as I am aware rangers have not been proven to cheat.

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I am more optimistic about Scottish Football than I have been for a while. Reasons...3 different clubs won trophies' this season, Motherwell reduced prices and 7,500 fans turned up at Fir Park,Hearts and Hibs fans could have filled Hampden 3 times over for the Cup Final and over 100,000 people turned up in Edinburgh for Hearts Cup victory parade. If pricing is right for matchday tickets and a level playing field ican be achieved through sporting integrity there is still a big interest in and therefore future for the game in Scotland,Rangers or no Rangers in the SPL

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"Motherwell didn't do half of what Rangers have regarding non-payments etc."

That's a cracker!!

The level of debt seems to make it acceptable or not then.

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The irony of it all look the bottom line is rangers are the biggest club in scotland it was bad enough when all the timmies were obsessed with us now it looks like all the other clubs r.Honestly i think us gers fans should be happy there all on here it just proves how big we are.Secondly noboby cared when motherwell livi dundee and gretna went bust because they are not big boys like us and like in the playground if a big boy is down everyone wants a shot at sticking the boot in.

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Good post Brian

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Well said Brian.

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Hearts and Hibs filling Hampden 3 times over?? Get a grip pal, if only those 100000 chose to goto games every week eh?

LMAO

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Who cares about Motherwell, Livi, clubs in other countries? Rangers have been dealt with on the merits of their case and will continue to be. Deal with it - greeting about it will do nothing.

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Specially if the big boy is a corrupt bully and thief.

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To whoever said nobody cared when Gretna went belly up
Ask their creditors, who were royally stuffed. Meanwhile the deceased owner's wife still manages to buy a 800k mansion.

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A newco that has the same staff, same gound, same players as the oldco, should not be treated as a different football club. Especially when the owner of the oldco and the newco will be the same and the two companies will be merged within a season.

Rangers debt will be wiped clean in both scenarios, no different to other SPL teams that have exited administration. The newco will face the same penalties as the oldco for goodness sake.

Since when did a clubs identity and history be disallowed or determined by a temporary financial-corporate technicality ?


Get real, Rangers newco is Rangers.

Anorak.

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Well said the man (or woman) who wrote the post starting "I am more optimistic about Scottish football...".
I agree, it was great to see the trophys spread around and I love the build up to the cup final. Shame Hibs never turned up though.
Al

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Daz - you make a great point about the supposed unbiased 'integrity' of those involved in the decision making process. Everyone involved in football has an agenda.

Al - I still can't agree fully with the start of your post but we are not far off being on the same wavelength regards the rest of it. Particularly in relation to it being a European, rather than a singularly Scottish, problem (Man Utd - 500m in debt, Real and Barca owe the Spanish government about the same in tax, etc, etc - there are loads of examples and the system will have to implode at some point as it is unsustainable as it is).

My opinion is that Rangers being demoted to Div3 could end up being the best thing to happen within Scottish football in forty or fifty years. Some prominent clubs WILL fold as the Killie chairman has more or less said as much in relation to his club, for example. Others may end up returning to part time football. However, the long term benefits would outweigh the short term losses for me. The voting structure and the league structure (leagues of 14 clubs upwards) would inevitably change as the Old Firm would no longer have an unfair stranglehold over Scottish football. Consequently any generated income would be spread more evenly throughout the league/s in the manner it used to be. We may not fill even half of Ibrox in the lower divisions but that on its own would considerably boost the coffers of the lower end clubs and, if managed in a prudent manner, may allow them to become more competitive as a consequence too. Youth would get a chance as no-one (bar Celtic initially) would be able to afford johnny foreigner journeymen. If that happens our national team may also improve dramatically over the following five to ten years and we may start qualifying for tournaments again the way we used to as more Scots would be playing consistently at a reasonable level. Obviously this is just conjecture, maybe even a pipe dream, but I honestly believe it to be logical in terms of how it could easily develop that way. Then, when the rest of European football hits the buffers, we will have had a head start and may start improving our overall co-efficient for a little while before they catch up.

That is the ultimate win, win scenario for me: an improved product overall and being able to hold my head high again as a Rangers supporter after my club had paid its proper dues for the wrongdoings that have occurred. Unfortunately, for the reasons I listed above, I doubt we will ever get the chance to find out for sure. I sincerely hope sporting integrity does win the day and we are demoted to Div3 but I simply can't see it being allowed to happen. As Daz succinctly said: they will all have their own agendas.

Brian

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4 men had a dream 2 directors had a nightmare my point is rangers football club was always well run in the past in recent times i cant say that honestly through the good work of our pioneers and mr bill struth this has been lost mr struth who ran the club was a well respected man admired by everyone in the scottish game he was so popular even with the celtic support who had high regard for the man mr struth had a greenhouse outside the staduim were the celtic fans entered ibrox for the old firm game not once was it vandalised in the years he was at ibrox this is the kind of person we need back at the helm its about time we faced the music the fans have been taken for granted i cant believe the currant position of the club im dishearted for our supporters who payed hard earned money im upset other clubs have lost out too and other creditors im upset for the players and coaching staff im upset about the watp gang who have glued themselves to our club im fed up about boycott talk i fed up about the lies as a fan i will still follow on and watch the team i love there are too many of our fans in denial lets get our respect back first and formost move on it might be a weak team but we will get our creditbilty back let get our club back to a sporting great where football is talked about instead of all these sorry excuses lets grow up and take it on the chin

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As a rangers fan i want us do do well as a football fan i want the other clubs to do well too i want a good competative league all fans of all teams turning up i urge fellow bears please dont boycott or any other club fans for tit for tat it will kill the game in scotland if you support your team whatever the club always give the team full support if you can rangers fan

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Brian, a couple of genuinely sensible posts. I agree with almost everything you said which is novel on here! Pity people like you aren't leading the RST.

A competitive Scottish league would be to the benefit of the fans, the owners, Sky, the scottish game and the national team. But would Celtic and Rangers be happy to not have your Gasgoine's and Sutton's and champions league group stages?

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Anorak you are welcome to keep your history if you keep all of it. Keep the 54 titles if you pay the £135 million that was used to buy it.

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Just to be clear, Doncaster will not let Rangers back in, the other SPL clubs will vote on it. Each club will have their say and its up to them to collectively make this judgement, not Doncaster.

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21 May 2012 17:09:03
the transfer ban plus sum of our overated stars moving could be a blessing in disguise as i think our youngsters are good anuf to step it up and play week in week out better than sum players we currently play plus we could still get players who are 17 and 11 months so nearly eighteen and they would be good anuf to go in our team straight away this is the way for us

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Not wanting to put the young boys down,but their success will depend on what division we end up in.
Younger players are notoriously inconsistent, and need experience and confidence. I think the SPL will be too tough a task for them,and they may get ran ragged at times. It's important that we retain as many experienced players as possible,including Kirk Broadfoot. We haven't that luxury i'm afraid.
Previously O.B.

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......and who would the overrated players be? We can't just get rid of the majority of our first team players and bring through youth, what if some of the youth players are injured at the same time, who do we rely on then?

Nothing about this embargo is a blessing in disguise. We have to keep the current squad as is, if we are to have any chance of finishing second next season.

We possibly could unearth a few gems under the age of 18 but we certainly couldnt rely on them to make an instant impact to the first team.

TTG

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Excuse me Mr Hectors fan but have you seen how crap your under 19 team is....it will be like taking candy from kids.....bring it on, its no wonder the bookies are offering 1 to 6 on us retaining the league.

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"blessing in disguise" "i think our youngsters are good anuf to step it up and play week in week out better than sum players we currently play" is this the same kids who just got pumped into 5th place in the under 19's if you admit it or not there are clearly many years of decline ahead, both ON & OFF the pitch!

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Not wanting to be all negative but for a club the size of rangers, resources and facilties- our youth development is a total joke. where are all the young attacking midfielders, goalscorers. hemmings, hutton, perry- do me a favour!

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Rangers cannot afford the wages of the high earners, their departure is inevitable.

Finishing second is not that important since there is no European reward, what is important is that Rangers fans continue to support their team in sufficient numbers to pay the overheads.

Do not assume the new consortium will bail out Rangers with a blank cheque book.

Anorak

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The RFC U19s finished 5th in the league. Dont out too much expectation on the shoulders of these kids or they will burn out.

Support your team come what may.

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SFA appeal said you had 40 professional players on the books, hence they believed D&P were exaggerating impact of embargo. Daft question, but outside the handful of soon to exodus senior players being mentioned, what are the other 35 players doing never mind talking about the youth players to come in. Sounds like the player development policy at RFC was pants anyway and the embargo will at last make you look at developing quality rather than than big buck, tax avoiding prima donnas.

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You will find that the rangers under 19s struggled in the league so much because the players that are still young enough to play n that league where making apperences for our first team most of the season or where out on loan such as hutton, grant adams, mcabe, cole, perry and celtics teams by far larger so the youth team of theres played for the under 19s

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Does the transfer embargo apply to female players?

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They finished 5th because half the u19s were in our first squad anyway. The u17s just win the glasgow cup, they will albe promoted to u19 this season

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Finishing 5th in under 19s is no indicator of anything. Look how ppor Dutch and French teams are at this level then look at their full teams

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"Does the transfer embargo apply to female players?"

Is there not enough t**s at Ibrokes as it is.

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Finishing 5th is no indicator.... Hector fan can't see your point.... this group of players is very likely to form the core of your team next season, and if the can't handle it in a junior league, how do you expect them to perform in the SPL.

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They finished 5th because half the u19s were in our first squad anyway. The u17s just win the glasgow cup, they will albe promoted to u19 this season

Aberdeen finished above them and all of their good young players have been in the first team.

RFC won the Glasgow cup on penalties so its not as if they dominated that age group.

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21 May 2012 14:09:03
What happens to the RFFF if liquidation happens? Lots of decent people are shelling out cash in tough times.Will it be returned or a charity donation made in the funds name?A guy i know has donated about £300 so far and he dznt know

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It will be kept within the RFFF for such a time the supporters need the money released.

IE. fighting uefa etc and paying legal fees when the club dont help the fans etc. Like in the past with euro ban threats etc.

This will not be returned or go to charity.

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Hope your not implying that the money would be kept by the trustees because when you start questioning the integrity and honesty of people like Walter Smith then you may as well stay away. Any Rangers fans who doesn't trust Walter and Ally to do the right thing by the club and supporters has completely lost the plot and does not realise what our club is all about - Keep your silly little questions to yourself!

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The rfff is a separate entity which pays bills for rangers plc. Should the club be liquidated the fans in charge of the rfff can decide on what to do with any funds at their disposal.

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I donated £500

CC

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Trust Walter & Ally? A lot of the trouble Rangers are in was done on their watches

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I for 1 think the RFFF is a great thing having participated in the 1872 walk yesterday. I don't see why this should stop when we either exit admin or start a NEWCO. If we exit via an approved CVA with the transfer embargo in place I would have the fighting fund a transfer fund also so there is more money in the kitty the following year for transfers. I also would like the 3 groups get together and try and raise 1 million so we then have an elected candidate part of the consortium.

BARRA

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Gers1986;bit touchy eh? not suggesting anything just asking a valid question,not a silly one.Your answer says lots about you though

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It wasn't Walter and ally's remit to watch over off field matters... I don't think u are the full bob Dylan mate!

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@Gers1986

" questioning the integrity and honesty of people like Walter Smith "

Congratulations , you have made it to the final of the 2012 "Rangers Rumours Most Idiotic Statement " .

Funny thing is , the 'cardigan' disappeared when the EBTs hurtled over the horizon and since administration , has stuck his head above the parapet once , and that was only for a date with a lambeg drum .

Walter ? Integrity ? Deary me .........

jimi88

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Cmon guys smith and mccoist new allalong what was going on , anyone who doesnt believe that thinks sdm thought craig whyte was really snow white.. get a grip and stop living in denial , NO MORE HEROES ANYMORE

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Count the number of times Ally of Wally have said they did not have an EBT ?

eh.... ?

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A club full of paranoia and back stabbing guys like ally and Walter are the reason I go and watch and support Rangers to suggest they knew all about what was going on is so wrong - honestly guys is this what we have turned into turning against our own - aim your displeasure at sdm and cw for gods sake


Gers1986

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The money in the fund is paltry compared to the debts, it'll disappear the same as the rest of the money.....sad but true.

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Why doesn't the taxman go after the players who benefitted from the EBTs surely they dodged tax more than RFC did?

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Walter and Allly and the directors wher not on EBTs!!

Yeah Sure..

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Players dont pay tax .... companies do.

It was the company that avoided paying tax so they could pay players (on 50% tax rate) DOUBLE!! and thus attract better, more expensive players.

Rumours elsewhere of entire cup final team and bench being on EBTs.... surely NOT!

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Could it not be a brucie(bonus) for D+P for the wonderful job they have done

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I donated £3.20. I better get that back . . . .

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Should the RFFF not be going to pay off creditors rather than paying for a legal team for the appeal to defend the indefensible?
Face painter £40
Blooms £70
Screwfix £77.01
PTS Pluming Trade Supplies £30.42
STRI £17.28
Shred-it £444
to name a few. If there is still about 1/2mil there it, could wipe out 1/2mil of the debt. Could just be the difference between the CVA going through or not.This gesture might just also go some way to restore some pride to the club and get others off your backs a bit.
Al

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To gers 1986 are/were Ally and Water on EBT's? The money should go to charity or are you suggesting that Rangers are likely to break even more rules going forward?

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"Should the RFFF not be going to pay off creditors rather than paying for a legal team for the appeal to defend the indefensible"
Well said, p***ing about with all this nonsence. Go and pay the small companies/individuals we owe money to! I thought that was what i was donating to.Do you not think and lawyers and administrators have made enough out of us.Honestly boycotts and lawyers just people with an ego trip trying to make a name for themselves. We'll take what's coming and move on. Just pay the small debts. Now!

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" I donated £3.20 "

You now own Murray Park . Your change will be returned to the RFF
jimi88

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If Walter Smith and Ally McCoist were not on EBT's they should come out and state that! Simple!

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21 May 2012 12:12:19
despite this being a rumours site, eds still think its better to post almost identical opinions over and over again about takeover, etc instead of rumours about club. I sent in a rumour from a scout from rangers (***** *********) that rangers were looking at 2 young players and nothing posted. Wouldnt be surprised if this wasnt posted again.
After being tipped off by Lionel Charbonnier, Gers are looking very seriously at Sebastion Haller from Auxerre who have just been relegated from top flight. Rangers Also been scouting recently Joreon Lumu from Wilhelm in Holland although there recent promotion to the top flight would push up his value its still believed Gers can land him on cheap. The big players of the past wont be here again. The new Gers model is to buy youngsters from Europe and home, develop them at Murray park and sell them on at profits. Nick Powell from Crewe been watched twice...Lafferty rumoured to be going to Bolton and Powell been lined up as cheaper replacement if transfer ban is lifted.
Never heard of any of these players but cant see players who playing for Crewe banging them in at old firm games but who knows! {Ed014's Note - Is that the same Nick Powell that Man U have bid £4m for and that Crewe want £5m plus add ons for?Not to mention that Arsenal,Chelsea and Man City are interested in him.Your post probably wasn't put up because like this one it was nonsense.

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Shot down in flames big time by the edster! Lol

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Well said Ed... That's him told!

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OP will need a new scarf to cover his red neck! well done Ed.

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Think the poster makes some sense...not a great deal but on the righjt track...youth is the way to go .....baby steps per say...deecee

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Mate , get a grip!
Rangers are on the verge of liquidation (believe me , it's happening!).
On Wednesday night the true extent to the cheating Rangers have done to other Scottish & European clubs will be revealed , it will have unprecedented consequences.
And you're harpering on suggesting Rangers are in a position to copy Celtics model of transfer success ie Ki, Emilio, Ledley, Wanyama, Hooper, Kayal et al.
Get down to planet reality where FC Dignity is about to sink!

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Dont know why your bigging up the ignorant C*@t who is behind Ed014. The guy is posting a transfer rumour on a rumours site. Incase you havent noticed rangers have been hit with a transfer embargo so any transfer rumours should be met with encouragement on this so called RUMOURS site. The guy didint do his homework regarding Nick Powell so what? What about the other 2 names. Did you even bother registering them in your head. Doubt it. 2-3 months from now you will be sweating it for punters on here. Maybe some manners might help {Ed014's Note - We never "sweat" for punters on here.All our sites get 1 million hits per day.If you don't like it nobody is asking you to read it.So the poster knows more about a 16 and 17 year old that play in Europe (and his name is SEBASTIEN, not Sebastion) than he does about one of the hottest prospects in England and he thinks is a cheap replacement for Lafferty?Let's just forget all about the European laws that cover transfers for youngsters as well will we just to keep morons like you happy.Is that put nicely enough for you flower?}

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"Tansfer Embargo" mean anything? No wonder the Ed made you look like a fool, like a fool !

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Put that bullwhip back under your desk ed, your scaring the women folk

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With all due respect is it your job to decide if rumours are nonsense or not, or simply to moderate the site looking for bad boys mis-behaving? {Ed014's Note - This isn't my job.None of the eds get paid.It is up to us what gets posted and what doesn't.If you would rather read a constant stream of BS made up stupid rumours then this isn't the site for you.There are plenty of others that will fill your head with garbage that you want to hear.}

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If you are annoyed at not getting on this site to make you point why don't you post somewhere else. I'm sure your comments will go down there. I think fans have more concerns at the moment than the rumours of buying kids. Progressing with a buyer and survival might be more pressing.

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Agree with ed this post is nonsense in respect of tv targets.

Agree with OP regarding some amount of dross gets put up that is clearly a mhank or a duplicate post.

The ed's do a grand job and it is difficult to monitor so much drivvel without some getting past the security nets

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BOOM! you got ED-ited!

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There was no mention of the transfer embargo by ed so now who is the fool

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"Transfer Embargo"

We can sign players u18 years of age.
i.e the players the OP suggested (out of our reach financially or not)
Edo14 is well aware of this.

I know who looks like a fool now.

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"There are plenty of others that will fill your head with garbage that you want to hear"
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What is the point of a rumours site, where the moderators chooses which rumours to post, how ridiculous is that?

And what garbage do you think I want to hear? God knows how much one sided nonsense I've read on here in the last few months.

Do I recall someone championing a bid from AEG? {Ed014's Note - Someone needs to decide what gets posted and what doesn't, otherwise it will end up a petty bigotfest with 100 posts saying that Messi is signing for their team.If someone sends in a rumour that we know to be complete nonsense it gets deleted or we explain why it can't be true.It's not that hard to understand.

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Don't get paid? , I heard it from a good source, for a fact ....that you are all on EBT's

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Don't get paid? , I heard it from a good source, for a fact ....that you are all on EBT's

Love it. Lets see your side letter Ed! {Ed014's Note - You might get a copy of it here http://goo.gl/T3eUl

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Ha, well done Ed, the word "OWNED" comes into play ......... Big Dave {Ed014's Note - I don't know if the name the OP gave is really a scout for the Gers.If he is he should be sacked right now for even scouting Nick Powell for us never mind saying he was going to sign.

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Surely that is what the disagree button is for? So the users of this site can decide for themselves if it is believable or not. Having said that if I read on here we are signing messi I won't be back.

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All your sites get a million hits per day? Do you mean a million hits per site, per day?

I would imagine your Man Utd site would be one of the busiest. So far today it's had 22 new rumours, and 69 replies. And, to be fair, probably some replies to older rumours as well. But from a million hits? Really? They're a quiet bunch, Man Utd fans. {Ed014's Note - You do know that a hit means a view don't you.There has been alot more posted on the Man U site than that.Did you notice that none of the rumours are as much BS as the original one here?

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The Eds on these sites do a fantastic job. Who honestly wants to sift through hundreds of posts saying "X player is signing FACT" when the Eds are aware of which are plausible and which are just complete gibberish (see OP).

Mac

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Haha. Shredit probably got more work in one day at Ibrox than they have ever had before.

Have you heard any word on the content of the Mark Daly BBC documentary Ed? {Ed014's Note - I've heard the rumours.It sounds a bit far fetched to me but who knows.

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Can't belive that you mentioned Messi .... thought we were keeping that one quiet until after the fire sale / Liquidation / Move to lesser Hampden etc etc

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Nice one ED.

Its good to block total nonscence.

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Totally behind you ED.

Help keep this site semi credible and keep the total numpties at bay.

There plenty of other sites for them.

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Arrogant eds on this site wrong again....read various reports in todays media from mike mcdonald about rangers signing players 17/18 years old. never make posts when wrong!! {Ed014's Note - Where did I mention anything about Rangers signing 17/18yr olds?At least try to read what has been said,its not difficult.Rangers can't sign anyone that is 18 anyway.

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Yes they can they cant buy anyone over the age of 18 u aint over the age of 18 till your 19 but as per usual ed14 with your superior knowledge im sure u will correct me. {Ed014's Note - If you insist.You can thank ed007 for it though :-)

The three-man tribunal - Lord Carloway, former Partick Thistle chairman Allan Cowan and Spartans chairman Craig Graham - will give full reasons for rejecting the appeal in writing "in early course", but the SFA issued a summary of its conclusions.

"It was competent for disciplinary tribunal to impose the additional sanction of prohibiting registrations of any new players of 18 years or older for a period of 12 months," it stated.

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Well said ed i think some of our fans cant grasp whats going on these posts makes the decent bears look lik eibiciles come on fellow bears your better than that

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The site is a good way for fans who go to ibrox and a few who cant make it to the games and other fans can comment too you always get the odd idiot who dont do us any credit keep up the good work ed remember fellow bears our posts reflect us in general

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21 May 2012 00:58:13
Does anybody know how many members the RST has ?

It would be interesting to know how many fans they can represent. I would imagine it would have to be tens of thousands to give them the influence that they seemingly have.

They have not met with Green and are impressed by him, sound familiar, these are the same people who met with Whyte post purchase, they were apparently impressed by him also, that doesn't bode well.

Personally they have done nothing in this whole sorry saga that has assisted in any way shape or form. The march on Hampden did a lot of good, just intimidates people, not a good way of making allies. They then ask for boycotts on Scottish Cup games, games that our club derives income from, they then demand no season ticket price increase, at the very time that the club needs every penny it can get. There has been no increases for three years, what hasn't gone up in pride in the last three years? Surely £30 increase would be acceptable in our current mess.
At a time when we need all the friends we can get they constantly talk of boycotts, why don't they just be quiet and butt out. They are causing nothing but harm to the club that they claim to love.

Personally I think five minutes on the telly is about all they care about.

Let me make this clear they don't speak for me in any way.

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Totally agree mate and think it only numbers 1500. Dingwall is an embarrassment who only wants his well fed face on the box and even acted like a spoilt child when in the company of Speirs, I personally cant stand the guy and cringe when he appears, Dingwall and co you don't
speak for us so do us all a favour.

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Sandy Jardine is the same, at first I though he was enjoying his five minutes in the spotlight, but now I think he is angling for John Greig's old job as the behind the scenes former player who gets a wage for doing little more than talk up Rangers to corporate hospitality types

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Mark dongwell was on Scotland tonight and said rst has 1500 members

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Totally agree they are a disgrace. Dictators of the highest order running that organisation. They need sweeping changes and fresh blood and ideas at the top. If you go on the RST Facebook page and disagree with a post or comment they make they block you. Just like the SFA, NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE

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Super Egos wae nae brains.

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Two men fae Carntyne, a bottle of wine and a big greyhound dug called Boab.....

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I agree with the original post.
There was another guy on the news last week John Macmillan Rangers Supporters Association asking for the consortium members to be named.
I thought why not just wait until the CVA has been sorted??
None of them speak for me either wish they would just gtf and stop causing trouble.

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I cant argue with any of your post mate. I feel the same way. They haven't helped one bit, infact more likely to have hindered us in a roundabout way.

I also dont agree with calling for our players to pull out of the scotland squad.

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Green has not met with them personally. He met with a group of all groups.

The RST like to think they are special, but numbers dont stack up. The RSA seems to have the most supporters on board.

IMO they also provide the best updates and statements

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As an interested onlooker,i am amazed at how your club seems to have so many people speaking on behalf of gers fans.After what murray and whyte got away with on their watch they should disband.

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Well said guys. Dingwall is a fool who does you more harm than good everytime he opens his ample mouth.

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Rangers should start a true Scottish supporters club that is for true supporters who only care about the football team and kick the rest into touch.

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Empty vessels, as they say, make the most noise. A very good post mate!

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21 May 2012 00:43:57
What is Alistair Johnston's game?

Why now does he have to muddy the waters saying that he has first option on CW's shares. He seems to try and scupper at each and every turn. He seems to want to position himself as some sort of guardian to overlook any sale.

If he wanted to get control and had the option of
Shares why has he not put his money where his mouth is.
I have to say that I find the whole situation confusing as Johnston publically slated Whyte at every turn, why would Whyte offer him first option?

He is meant to be well connected and you would have thought he could muster a bit of backing and could have done a deal much earlier than this.

It appears to me another who likes reading about himself in the press, cause I can't think of any other reason for this latest twist.

He also must have questions to answer, after all it was under his watch that the troubles increased. He must have known what was going on or is that why a guy that lives in America is in such a high position?

Any ideas ?

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I thought it was Dave King myself.

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Have u got Johnston and king mixed up ...bm

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Think you will find dave king is to be given the shares , not al. johnston.

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Don't you mean Dave King

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Or David King even get your facts straight !

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I think your getting your Alistair Johnston's mixed up wae yer Dave
Kings !!!!!!

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Is it not Dave King who say's he has first option ...??????

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I have no idea what this post is about. Its King that is claiming first option!

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Is it not David King that is claiming to have first refusal on the shares not Alistair Johnston?

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Dave King has first refusal not Johnston.

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OP here, you are all correct my excuse is that it was late, my apologies

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Nobody fancy answering the op question rather than jumping down his throat!

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Ill reply...those guys were knowhere prior to greens involvement....they were watching a ship slowly sink then all of a sudden .HULLO we have a buyer and out of the woodwork they come whether its king ..johnston or whoever....verbal agreement my arz....av got wan tae....took place in the sauna at anniesland fitness ...deecee

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Mibbee he wants to ensure green has bon afide intentions, that seems to be the gist of whats he's saying, how much is a verbal contract with craig whyte worth?

wonder who paid for that dinner, they cant both have skipped it

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Maybe the waiter can prove there was a verbal contract.

Or someone on the next table.

Its becoming more of a joke. Whats next in this Horror comedy.

Embaressed Eddie.

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A verbal agreement is a contract in law and can be enforced proving that such an agreement would require one to establish on the balance of probability that the agreement was made.

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