Rangers Rumours Archive September 22 2012

 

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22 Sep 2012 22:03:56
Why so negative about mccoist. C'mon bears remember, we lost an entire first team during the summer. We're not wot we were. This is a fresh start. Yes we've been under performing but look at wot we've got. Ask yourself would we have signed any of these players had we still been in prem league, no. But they are probably the best available to us. Apart from sandaza. We will take time to gel. But we will win this league at a canter. Ally will get this right!

Watp!

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I'd have been fairly pleased with Sheils and Black and Templeton in the SPL.

Ally has did absolutely nothing so far to prove he is even a moderately gifted manager. And winning the league in a canter won't really prove anything will it?

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We are going knowhere under Ally lets foeget all the "dont do walking away sruff" we need to start playing football and cousty has got a clue....legend always...gers manager...never!

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Seriously? The team is made up of 11 full time pro players! Some of those players are quite experienced professionals! And you are using the old "the team needs time to gel" chestnut! Your club is playing against teams made up of people who are playing kart time football whilst balancing full time jobs,yets still ally can't raise a response from his team of stars and starlets (dr words not mine). Ally must go, the only thing ally has achieved as a manager is being papped out of 5 trophies and managed to lose a 15 point advantage in the league! And you want to give him more time? Wise up will ya

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We should offer McCall a contract when he visits next week.

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He's in the wrong career. It's not what he's good at.managers always end up getting sacked, they never walk away and resign. Green needs to show he has the balls.

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Everyone need's to get off ally's back he has had one hell of a time at rangers and has had to put up with a lot okay he blew the 15 point lead and not a very good start to this season but not all ex players turn out to be good managers but he is still a rangers legend and even if he doe's go as manager i will always be happy with him for not walking away unlike those other players who said they would not walk away. so my message to ally is thanks for not walking away and even if you don't last much longer as our manager you will always be a legend in my eyes. and another thing instead of being on here slagging off our manager should you so called rangers fan's not be getting behind the team shame on you. i will be at ibrox today as usual cheering on the team.

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Ian Holloway for manager lol, yes I'm also a Blackpool fan

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Pleased with Shiels? He has been woeful, hardly been in any of the games and his apology of an effort during the penalty shoot sums up his contribution so far!! McCoist is useless and must be replaced asap

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I have not heard 1 single rangers fan call for allys head.so i will say anyone doing so is trying to cause trouble dont pander to these people who have nothing better to do

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We didn't get signed up an entire squad. Only two of forty signed for Green's new venture. Not 'lost an entire first team' even those that hung about a little longer that were on long term contracts all walked for free with no compensation, as its not the old club.

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Rangers to win 4-1 today moculluc 2 sandaza 1 and sheils 1

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McCoist is a liability we cannot afford he is making us a laughing stock, Walter Smiths tactics were described as anti football (and rightly so) what does that make McCoists nonsensical offerings against part timers.
He constantly blames the players performances when it is blatantly obvious that McCoists tactics, formations and team selections are at fault.
He has no idea whatsoever where players can play (Argyriou a right footed CB made his debut at LB, next game at right back, Faure so far played CM, RB and CB) or what formations suit them, 3 at the back against Peterhead Broadfoot, Goian and Bocanegra, what is he thinking?!
He said he wont walk, so Mr Green will annoy the SuperAlly brigade when he is forced to sack him causing more ill feeling within the club, if McCoist has really got Rangers best interest at heart he would do the decent thing and resign.

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The guy posting near the top about the players gelling, what are u on?
If u change near enough a full team, no matter the calibre of the players u will struggle at first til the players know each others game.

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McCoist must stay. Please CG do not sack him. He is giving every football fan outside Rangers a real good giggle. Time CG sat down with Ally to sign that 25 year contract. Truthfully Bears and l hope lm wrong, CG comes across as even worse than the Whyte fella. I fear the worst . Good luck.

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24 Sep 2012 22:24:06
To all the McCoist knockers.....who could or would do a better job? Give the guy a break and let's support our great club and manager in the loyal way we know how.

Ally took a lot of stick when he first arrived at the club as a player, not to mention putting up with Souness' pettiness/jealousy and what he's been through the last 12 months no one would have blamed throwing in the towel.

"We don't do walking away" and our fantastic loyal fans have shown their true colours by turning up in huge numbers.....so let's continue to get behind the team and the manager and show the rest of Scottish football what a great club we really are.

Aye ready

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Your last starting Line up had six players who regularly played in the SPL last season , as well as your squad being full time , there should be no excuses even with the new players , they are being payed good money and should be a lot better than they are , you need a new manager. rickster

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22 Sep 2012 16:15:10
Ok so I'm reading posts constanly about titles being stripped I read " I'd have taken 5 but who says they wont go for the 7"

To this I say who cares it's a paper exercise nothing more we still have the memories. Stop playing into the Celtic supporters hands with the paranoia about stripping titles it means nothing they can't take the memories from us.

As the song goes "no one likes us we don't care"

Let's have that attitude with the spl commission strip the titles we don't care.

Jamie

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So you don't care!That means goodbye to
the 'world record' or would that be a memory

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I agree with Green. It was a pathetic request and to acquiesce would be playing their silly game.

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They'll have to prove our EBTs were illegal first in the kangaroo court, although it is now clear the SFA were prepared to go ahead and charge Rangers anyway, without proof. This shows how corrupt they are - the SFA & SPL will get nothing from us anymore. I refuse to support anything connected to the SFA ever again - and that includes the national team.

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Couldn't disagree more than your opening post mate, we should not sit back and allow the corrupt SFA and SPL to take any titles, I for one hope that Charles Green is ready to drag them thru every court in the land to stop this happening, if it means putting more money into the RFFF then let's do it, corruption shall not win, and to the 11 diddies that clicked agree, away back to your own pages, you ain't getting our titles, played for and won on the park, you will always be the 2nd best club in Scotland, watp

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Ebt,s didnt start until 2000 in that time 5 titles were won not 7

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Why not start a fund to support the legal battle? A pound from every supporter at each home game would soon amount to a considerable war chest for a little individual contribution.

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Rangers will take the Stupid FootballAss to a civil court if they try and take titles. Stupid are very very short of money and will boak at the thought of another financial black hole. FACT. Evidence is available just hold fire bears.

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If you don't care then your not a bluenose. Rangers fans should vote not to return to the SPL if they steal our titles, until their given back. We will miss europe but will watch the SPL fall apart. WATP

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To the above post- As opposed to The Rangers who have plenty money??

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So if its proven, you are all quite happy to break the rules to win titles. Is that not cheating??

Joeshmo1888

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You don't care if they strip titles as you will all have the memories? You are happy with the memories that your club cheated to get those trophies! And you are all happy with that? Domes you guys up to a tee then doesn't it! And you seem to forget, that if you take the SPL to court UEFA will step in and they aren't broke are they, as I am sure they won't sit but and watch a bunch of proven cheats take one of their associations to court, which is basically against their rules!
So, advice to you Ra People is accept the fact your club has been cheating not only on the field but HMRC and all people who have turned up to watch their club play your club only to be cheated on the field by a team of players and a group of supporters who think its fine to cheat at sport!
Very sad!

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Disagree with the op, probably a Celtic fan. Agree about the RFFF monies to challenge Celtic/SPL in the courts. If all fails, then I also agree with boycotting the SPL until titles are returned. Geo the Ger

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Geo the bear...What utter rubbish you post.
'challenge Celtic/SPL in court' What has Celtic to do with this? Also poster above says SPL don't have money for law suits.
Do Rangers.Don't think so or you would'nt
be suggesting RFFF pays for it'
Yogi the bear

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So if it's proven that Rangers broke the rules, loads of you think there should be no punishment?!

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The truth has finally came out well done the sun for having the guts to show what the spl and the sfa have been up to wanting the titles and cups taken off us before we were even charged with anything.how did these people think they would get away with this witch hunt Doncaster and Reagan should be booted out ASAP but then again liewell would not have that.

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What a load of p*sh. All your posturing, threats and bravado will do nothing.
"They'll have to prove our EBTs were illegal first.."
This is about double contracts and nothing to do with whether EBTs are legal or not.
"I refuse to support anything connected to the SFA ever again..."
Does that include the team you currently support? They are connected to the SFA.
"I for one hope that Charles Green is ready to drag them thru every court in the land to stop this happening..."
"Rangers will take the Stupid FootballAss to a civil court if they try and take titles."
On what grounds? What would his case be? How many of his threatened legal challenges have actually been followed through?
" corruption shall not win.."
Agreed. As is being proven with the demise of Rangers
"Rangers fans should vote not to return to the SPL if they steal our titles, until their given back"
"I also agree with boycotting the SPL until titles are returned."
Yeah right and try to survive without the money the SPL and Europe brings in. Not stealing just recovering what was stolen by a corrupt club.
Al(ly must stay)

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I see the post from 'yogi the bear' is completely anti-Gers? Wonder why? Maybe he's irate because proposed actions by bluenoses might come true. Boo Boo

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If the offer made to Green by SPL(rejected)
is factual then SPL know that rangers have a 'case to answer' ie GUILTY
Yogi.....smarter than the average bear

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"If the offer made to Green by SPL(rejected)
is factual then SPL know that rangers have a 'case to answer' ie GUILTY
Yogi.....smarter than the average bear"


Smarter than the average Bear?????

Dhumber than the average amoeba more like.......

The sphell have opened a huge can of sh!t by doing this.
If Rangers are found guilty, the spl were the ones who signed off the accounts...they were the ones who ok'ed the ebts, they were the ones that allowed Rangers to field ineligible players, and who gets the blame....RANGERS!!! Yes, that makes complete sense(NOT!!!)

Only in the spl could the guilty ones divert the blame onto someone else to save their sorry backsides!!

By trying to get Rangers to agree to a punishment for a crime not even proven, the spl have proven theirselves to be inept and corrupt to the core!!!! FACT!

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Rule braking is slightly different from law breaking , rule breaking is cheating , law breaking is criminal ,also take celtic to court by all means but please explain why

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People need to disassociate the EBT scheme from this inquiry by the SPL. They are investigating the issue of non-contractual payments. The means by which these were allegedly paid does not matter. It might as well have been a bunch of notes in a brown envelope or it could have been through an offshore tax reduction scheme. That doesn't matter. What does matter is that they are alleging that such payments were not declared on contracts. Just to be clear the SPL are not investigating the legality or otherwise of EBT's.

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As a PLC all our accounts have been viewable to the public for years - why are the 'independent' board making a special case now? No club has ever been stripped of titles because of financial misgivings, why start now? Why were non-tested punishments of title-stripping already proposed illegally before any wrong-doings have been actually proven? These are questions the SFA and SPL need to answer before any compliance from RFC begins. Pete

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It's easy Pete, the SFA and SPL are corrupt to the core, plain and simple.

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22 Sep 2012 11:14:03
i know people are talking about ally getting the sack but after all he has done we cant get rid of him , let him get a season without all the drama , rememeber he still cant sign any one for another year once that time has past we will see the true ally , true blue

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No we'll see the true ally now when he has to coach players and not just go out and recruit players.

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The players we have are of spl 'quality' they should have the ability to go out and beat third division teams with ease, cant blame the manager for that yet

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He's no got a pedigree of player recruiting or player coaching or even tactics!!

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Of course I suppose he just sat with his thumb up his arse when we won 3 in a row. No contribution whatsoever? Don't think so. And when has he had a fair chance at even recruiting players? Our remit this season is champions. Nothing less. 5 games in one point behind. Unbeaten. Too early to sack him. And yes if the players are so good then they won't even need coaching.

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We owe at least a Ally a season in my book.

OK, results have been far worse than we expected - and I for one thought we would have won the Ramsdens Cup - but let's face it, we will still win this league easily.

BARNEY BEAR

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Mcoist, i'm afraid to say, is a very poor manager! The man, in my eyes, and thousand others, is a rangers footballing legend and always will be. However, this status and high regard, no matter who he is, should make no difference when he can't manage this team to better performances in Scotland's lowest division! Yes, he has stood by rangers through some of our darkest times, stood firm, and made all the right noises in order to drum up support. But, and here is the 64,000 dollar question-would he still be in a job if rangers had not went through what they had over the last year? I love Ally, the man, player, legend-but can we really afford to let our memories cloud our judgement when our team is playing so crap?

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There is no bigger legend than John Greig and he didn't cut it as manager and went, he's still a legend though, thats permanent.

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Every rangers fan wants McCoist to succeed. The man is a rangers legend. But no one who has watched us this season can be impressed. The performance midweek was diabolical as have our away days been this season.

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Do people on here honestly believe Ally has had a fair chance to prove himself? We do look like we need an experienced manager to get us through this, but if Ally can cut his teeth on this, it could be the making of him, and the whole team. I'm sure he knows things need to change to stay in the job.

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What did he win last season.
How long were we in Europe.

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Last season was his first season.

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Super ally had the rug pulled from himlast season who's to say.we wouldn't have won the league if he'd have got goodwillie in July or the anderlecht defender in early? We may have stayed in Europe a tie longer too. Second half of season was unfair to judge him. His best players had taken a pay cut and the whole squad and staff morale at all time low. Who knows what that could do to a team also jelavic stopped playing as soon as naismith got Crocked

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Lads i think what everyone seems to miss here is not just the results, or the tactics, or the inconsistency in the quality of his signings since he took over. IT IS THE FACT that we haven't played good football at all since he took over. I bet you any money you want that no one on here cant list me 10-12 good all round performances since he has been in charge. I tried and come up with 7 at a desperate stretch. And if your honest there hasn't been any signs that he will go on to be any more than an average manager at best. And i personally think Rangers deserve a good manager or at least a young, hungry, promising, up and coming one at least.

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To the guy above, okay we lost a massive lead last year, but apart from europe there was some decent football played, especially when naismith was on form. Somebody else mentioned that the rug was pulled from under Ally, it wiznae half! So give him a chance he'll come good, how good? Who knows, its up to him now to get this team moving, I believe he'll at least do that.

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To all you gers hellbent on going back to court...I'd watch wot CG is doing! The possible outcome of going back to a civil court is explusion from the Scottish game altogether. Then what happens to the 'assets'? (Greens consort sell on for an unbelievable profit?). I've never wanted to see gers being down an out but am still very suspicious of CGs intentions. I think gers shd accept a deal and start working towards rebuilding its reputation and relationship with the rest of Scottish football or there might ultimately not be a gers left!!

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22 Sep 2012 10:27:13
"I think I should be judged on the same basis as any other manager and obviously that's on results" (Ally McCoist - TV) Well said Ally, now f**k off then cos LeGuen was already gone with a better record than yours. The man is a joke every word out of his mouth is BS, more bell end than legend

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100% agree with u he is never a manager said it from day 1

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Its nothin to do with ally Its the muppets on the park not pullin there weight a team of spl quility players should sqoosh that league. when ally was incharge of cup games we done ok. its a brand new team never played together.They'll soon come good! And Allys the man to take us forward if sir walter has to come in and help so be it. Follow Follow!

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To op, how can anyone tell ally to f*** off! That guy has bled and wept for gers same as we all would! Regardless of what happens in the future he deserves our respect, whether manager or director or fan!

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How's about you **** off mate! Some people have short memories, he didn't walk away but instead invested his money into the club and also received no money for the job he was doing. Give him time and he'll turn us around I'm sure of it. I wish people would think before posting obscene and offensive things about a true legend in McCoist. Get behind a team who has had no pre season and has just come through one of the most difficult times in its history. We are still alive and kicking and that's what counts most just now, the results will follow!

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You are not a true blue. Sure we need a good run now, and to assert some authority, but Ally and the team need a bit of time to sort out a whole load of mess. He still has a thing or two to prove, and many have doubts too, but lets give him a fair crack at it, before we judge him!

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What exactly do you (OP) want to support? The club that's gone through hell and will rise again? Or some manufactured creation whose only purpose is short-termism, getting a new manager every time there's a bad patch? Ally was part of the journey and Rangers means far more to him than whoever is on the manager merry-go-round just now. Celtic keep faith in Lennon. Same kind of thing, really.

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Great replys to a hideous op. Shame on you. I do suspect you support an inferior club tbh.

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Turned the radio in the car tonight on the way to the off sales bbc scotland james traynor and stooges still giving it we love you ally keep going for all so called scottish sports reporters sakes is he the worst manager in rangers history yet ? he cant be far away from it various talking heads are in the papers on a daily basis bleating on about ally will get it right someday im going fishing from now on goodbye

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The poster that asked the OP if he supports Rangers or an inferior team? Pmsl there only 4 or 5 more inferior teams in Scotland than rangers lol and I think you could only draw with 2 of them pmsl
Funny how when your team isn't being helped both on and off the field the wheels start falling off lol
Get a grip and stop blaming everyone else for your problems lol

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Youre right I do support an inferior team - RANGERS under McCoist so far weve been inferior to most of our opponents, youre also right we shouldnt sack him, he should walk he knows he isn't good enough how could he not everyone else does ffs

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Ed, Please print this, to put the record straight.
To the bawbag who rote this comment about A.McCoist having a worse record than Paul Le Guen. WRONG WRONG WRONG.
P.Le Guens Record
Wins-47.03%
Draws- 24.94%
Loss- 28.03%
A.McCoist Record to Date (not including todays win)
Win- 60.71%
Draw- 17.86%
Loss- 21.43%
If you are going to attack someone get your facts right. the football may not be great, but it's not been great for a long time.

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No, stay Sally please.....some of us enjoy the results, you can't leave, please Noooooooo :)

Iain

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Ally will be going nowhere so stop crying and bitching about it, you are nothing but an old woman.....

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Calling Ally a bell end?

Not a true fan, just an imposter!

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22 Sep 2012 10:25:28
Read the story in this morning's rags regarding the docements they have seen that offered Green SFL1 membership in return for agreeing to the stripping of Titles and Scottish Cups due to dual contracts.

I have no doubt that the basis for the story is true, however it is a red herring.

It does not alter the circumstances and it does not provide any defence for Rangers.

The fact the offer was made and Green rejected it, has no relevance to it now proceeding to Rangers being charged in relation to dual contracts and it now proceeding to a hearing.

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No relevance? The fact that a governing body had come up with a punishment before any investigation had been progressed, makes a mockery of the whole process and from what I can see removes any credibility both the SPL and the supposed impartial panel had left. 54 and counting me thinks.

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I have used EBT. YOU do get a letter tellinv you how it is operated. There is nothing to hide. ITS A LOAN. Now I have no idea if the SFA percieve this as a side letter . If I was involvelved With New Rangers I would gladly go to court. I also understand the SFA are running out of money and they might not have the belly or the finances for a long drawn out court case.

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Written by a true septic fan shows liewells sfa and SPL to be corrupt

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Everyone knows that lawlell has the spl/sfa by the balls. He calls the shots, ask anyone out of the east end :)

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You may well have had an ebt and a letter, but you did not have a contract with a football club which was a member of an association which requires all payments to be in the contract. You may be clever enough to dodge tax but you don't seem able to grasp this simple point.

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"You may well have had an ebt and a letter, but you did not have a contract with a football club which was a member of an association which requires all payments to be in the contract. You may be clever enough to dodge tax but you don't seem able to grasp this simple point."

The EBT is, as the poster discussing this CLEARLY STATED, A LOAN!!! Why would ANY CONTRACT regardless of if it were with a business or a football club need to disclose A LOAN to anyone??

If a football player went to a bank to get a loan to buy say, a house, would he need to inform the sfa/sphell of the fact that he has applied for a loan?? OF COURSE NOT!!

You may think you are clever enough to spout rubbish on here but you don't seem able to grasp this simple point that an EBT is simply......A LOAN and does not need to be disclosed.

Away back to kerryfail street bhuddy ;)

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To last post can you tell me which bank I can go and get a loan to buy a new car ? Oh ps one where I don't have to pay anything back just FREE MONEY !
Thought not !
A loan my arse! It was a a crap wap of paying players on on the side AND YOU KNOW IT! Deal with it .

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The papers has also seen proof of discussions between HMRC and the SPL in 2010 regarding this matter so why was nothing done before now?

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Rangers didn't operate it as a loan so stop talking gibberish they were used as a payment loans need payed back the players have alleged side letters telling them they didn't have to pay it back. If rangers operated the scheame properly we wouldn't be discussing it right now.

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Rangers I'm sure took legal and financial advice before entering into these alleged agreements. If this was wrong then the advisors have a case to answer as do those authorities who up to now have raised no issues. At the end of the day the titles were won on the park. Looking for an excuse to take these away on a technicality must appear to anyone outside our little league to being sour grapes. Ask yourselves - as a business is Scottish football better off with or without Rangers or should it be allowed to degenerate further.? Like it not money talks and the media won't pay to televise game that can barely muster a couple of thousand spectators .

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Look a clerk in the sfa can tell you that the contracts aren't registered correctly. Only because there will be a stoshie when the facts are announced do we have to go the expense and bother of getting lawyers and judges involved if boys teams are chucked out cups for admin errors then professional clubs can only expect the same .football isn't only about the professional clubs I wish some of our big clubs supporters would grow up and accept the rules as they are written

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G.et past these administration errors and the need for some form of capital punishment of anyone who makes them. Without Rangers and the other larger clubs there will only be a mickey mouse league in this country Or perhaps we want to remain with a 19th century mindset while the rest of the game is in the 21st?

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No but it does show us how corrupt the sfa and the clubs in the spl really are.

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EBT loans are written under a family trust with no fixed date of repayment. Totally legal. These trusts can pass down through family generations. Posters on here discussing a topic they clearly don't understand suggest you do a bit of research on the topic instead of spouting what you want the answer to be.

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22 Sep 2012 08:22:12
hello bears. Does anyone have a link to the Montrose game?

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Buy a ticket mate. The club needs us

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At 1st reply. If my health was better I certainly would be following my team. Dont be judgemental on people who ask
reasonable questions on the site.

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There is no link for the game...until tomorrow.

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You want to watch 4th tier Scottish football. Get a life.

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Try firstrow.com on sunday mate! i am 12 hours day shift nae radio to even know the score

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Cheers pally, and no#1, I'd love to be there but the 12'000 mile round trip is a bit of a turn off.

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Hi m8 you will get the game on www.footballstreaming.info

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