Rangers Rumours Archive August 23 2013

 

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23 Aug 2013 20:34:21
According to the evening times, the deal for Boris Pandza is still a possibility! Not sure how much more needs to be done on this one?

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The deal has been off for like a month because rangers were taking too long to offer a deal

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Surely it can't take all this time to complete the day, in football manager you can finalise a deal in two days tops. just saying

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Dae hink we need him, good player but not needed as we are going to win the league at a canter! just a waste of wages! Same as we don't need another keeper or striker!
Govan front

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If he hasn't signed for anyone then there is always a chance he could sign however its very unlikely. Not sure another centre half will sign unless someone like Faure or Cribari leaves and that doesn't look very likely. We have Faure, Cribari, Moshni, McCulloch and Gasperatto who all play centre half and McAusland & Hegarty could play in an emergency. Team covered in that area

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Would agree with Govan, we have plenty players at the moment and the guy Gallacher should keep the jersey till he plays badly. He has played very well and is no kid. farming him out when we are already in the third tier is akin to telling him to GTF. Ally got that wrong IMHO

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We do not need another centre back. Cribari apart, (and Perry when he is fit), should be moved on, but McCulloch won't get a game anywhere else unless we have serious injury or suspension problems.

If the young Irish lad that is on trial shows up well then perhaps we should bring him in since he has youth on his side but I agree with those that are saying that we keep the young lad in goal rather than wasting money bringing in a 30 year old plus from Dundee.

Similarly we do not need another striker unless the Rangers Scouts have unearthed a top quality young player which is highly unlikely given their track record.

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I ve heard its east fifes captain Johnstone we will have eyes on him this weekend

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23 aug 2013 01:41:42
this story and the people named in it are not being factually slandered this is an opinion based on information available in the public domain.

rangers and the old firm long firm


since the day david murray ignored the pleas from our mr johnston and paul murray, rangers football club have been the victim of a preplanned asset stripping.

craig whyte was the man chosen to front this operation, which is known in the underworld as a long firm. * see "the long firm" by jake arnott, a book that reveals the sort of devious operation this is.

the way it is perpetrated is, first you obtain a struggling business that is 'ripe' for a buyout and has a viable credit line, and a base of investors that will throw money into it if it looks like it is going to recover (ranger fans, season tickets, fighting fund and share issue). next, make sure you change all invoicing terms to 60 or 90 days from normal 28/30 days, this gives you 2 months of time to strip assets, sell all you can and if you get the 'front man' to pay a few bills and promise all will be fine when he sorts out the mess left by previous owner (buy a couple of free transfers and maybe pay a couple) but important; the expensive ones make sure you mess around with stupid low offers to show people you are 'trying' but there's no chance the sale will actually happen (goodwillie and others).

after restricting access to accounts and cheque book, sack anyone that could cause a problem or make sure they cannot see who owns deeds and definately have no access to accounts (p murray and others plus john grieg walking away with others).

if possible and room is left by hmrc, do not pay any tax or paye.
sell any cash raising assets available just prior to any hint of administration (hmrc court application - so sell jelavic to highest cash up front offer not highest long term offer = everton and west ham) sell the arsenal shares.
tie up all loose ends with a mass of paperwork to cover up accounts, payments like £250,000 to friends - like aiden in banstead athletic. make escape before scam is rumbled and blame previous owner"s debts and big tax case.
facts are tax and paye paid = no administration and certainly a cva not liquidation.

at no time allow hmrc to nominate the administrator.
must nominate a 'friendly' admin company, to help smother all funds lost and obviously they rake in masses of fees plus stall long enough twarting any preferred bids until you have money transferred to chosen friends for their preferred bid (£174,000 from cw to cg's mum ) and green wins bid same way as whyte bought rangers using other peoples' money.




bugger off to monaco and only resurface to talk smoke and mirrors or nonsense as per when in ownership period of rangers footbal club.

the second phase of the structured and planned heist will go along in roughly the same pattern with bonus that as new saviours (using others' cash) you have honeymoon period where it goes unnoticed the massive wage structure of payments to all people involved (green, ahmad, stockbridge etc) and massive wage structure for ally, durrant and pals as they are essential to have on board to sell season tickets & to establish trust with fans etc etc. this will come in handy for share issue too, at later date.

do not sack ally no matter what results and cups knocked out (despite revenue lost) 'we need him'. if any restless natives situations occur (rangers fans starting to fathom that things are not right!) use possible back up plan of walter smith - trust again in fan base.

get rid of any board members that might cause problems to the master plan (mr malcolm murray being one example) if eventually things get heated, replace green with a trusted associate (such as mr mather) to quell the anger and re-establish trust. do not show accounts and do not clearly disclose the ownership of rangers assets, such as ibrox and murray park.

same proceedure with season ticket money and share issue transfer out of rangers to massive wages for all involved massive bonuses and as many consultants etc as possible should allow roughly £35 million to be 'disappeared', better than wee craigy who only got £20 million approx maybe more (bougey money? jelly money? arsenal shares?) if all goes to plan and second admin happens a possible outcome is sell the assets and rent back to rangers in the cva package heroes again saving us from another liquidtion. and. wait for it, how clever was it signing all those top flight players 8 of them as they will likely help us overcome the points deduction.

bears this is just the outlining of what happened and is happening again.
not saying mccoll and co, blin and murray etc are the answer but for sure this needs to be stopped and before the endgame and the mountains of paperwork to go through to trace all monies etc etc. that is too late! it has to be stopped now! i will set up email and website in next few days and pass it on to all of you so i can detail the other names that have been backing this whole charade from the outset plus some proposals to set up a fans' group like hearts to organise possible cva offer if worst happens.

fellow rangers fans we have put £20 million in seasons alone forgeting fund and share issue. rangers were sold for £5. 5million!! we can and should have organised then! hope it doesn't come to that but this time through a fans' group and maybe a figurehead like john grieg we trust there could be a well constructed fans bid and then we'll own our club!

if not then at least a strong representation on any future board
yours in rangers

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Best post iv seen on here. these people shouldn't be getting away this sort stuff

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First class well summarised, fire it off to the press (anybody will do as a start point). This has to be up for debate and available to as many ordinary fans now, not after next admin event. Sadly the product on the park will be secondary till this is brought out in the open

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Rangers fans are too caught up in conspiracy theories about journos & papers being "out to get them" to realise that their club is in REAL danger.
Money flowing out the door at an alarming rate with nothing to show for it.
Ex players towing the party line that Rangers are too big!
No they are not. Not now.
Stop falling for the diversions that Green & McColl are throwing about & speak with your feet. No show at next 2 home games will scare the board into line

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Barry the janny

celtic suppoerter coming in peace

what I canny work out is if green bought rangers for £5. 5 m then how the hell is nobody askin the questions of where the £35m has been spent on!

i think the above article is spot on, green whyte etc etc etc are before your very eyes robbing /stealing your club apart, asset stripping at the very top level

i have many die hard friends who are rangers to the core < this is tearing them apart,

i know when I say a total boycott is what's required ( as season tickets already sold ) but something by the majority of fans must be done.

enough is enough rangers fans. let yourself be heard!!!!

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George, I've been reading your posts with great interest and find them fascinating! I agree with you 100% by the way, I do believe that this has been a heist since day one, or as another poster (the realranger) calls it, "the great stadium robbery"! I believe that this has been pre planned for years, since SDM got wind that his spending couldn't continue, he needed an end game, so he brings in a patsy to take the heat and then we all know what happened there! At the end of the day, these people need to get out of our club now, Stockbridge ( who I believe is the worst and should front most of the blame, apart from green) Mather et al, they should all be ousted NOW! These things may happen in the business world every day, but the rangers fans, myself included are being fleeced and ripped off every day, the quality has diminished in the supporting of our club, it's not enjoyable any more, purely because of all this drama. There needs to be action, there needs to be a stance. Every home match and every away match. There should be protests outside the ground and not a foot should step inside the ground on any match day until these people leave. If rangers fans care for the club, and I believe they do, then think with the head and not the heart, demand change and protest against these robbers, stay away from the games, spend no money on the pie stalls or the gers shop or anything connected with the stadium, these guys want our money and they want as much as they can get, do don't feed into their need, don't finance the place until they are away! It is us, the supporters who have the power and the voice to make these changes now. You want to wait till October for a BOARD MEETING to rid these fools? If I was in charge, I would be protesting every day, make a media circus outside the doors and outside argyle house every day! Make it national news that the rangers fans demand action and chane NOW! Listen, it worked for the Celtic fans back in 94 when they demanded sack the board. Why can't we do the same, after all, we are the bigger and better fan base! We shout about being loyal, well it's about being loyal to the club and to what our club stands for, what our club means to us all! We have always been the better club, we have always had the class to rise above adversity. It's is our time rangers, our time to make our voices heard and to make a change and to make us the premier club in this country once again!

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The real question for me is what part David Murray and HBOS have played in this whole unfortunate saga and indeed whether Murray is still involved in some way. Was he really that naive as to be hoodwinked by Whyte. I can believe it of teh bank but Murray?

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If this post does noes not grab my fellow Rangers fans and shake 2 Years worth of common sense into them, then nothing will. You know who I mean guys. Craig Whyte's master plan brigade or Charles Green's mob who heralded him the saviour because he outwitted them with some well placed quotes and a constant stream of fighting talk. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!

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Excellent original posts and follow ups.

Most fans have had their heads in the sand for months and months.

I stopped going to away games just after Adminstration was announced, and all home games at the end of that season.

Previous to that I think I only missed about 5 games in the last 25 years (Leeds away, Vladikavkaz away, Inter away) and a couple of league games due to work.

I felt that the club was going to be "run into ground" and I felt that I could play no part in this.

It broke my heart, I fell out with friends over it, but I couldn't stand and watch the club be ripped to shreads to others.

None I should be able to look at those fans/friends who said I was being dis-loyal and gloat that they've been taking for mugs for even longer than I was.

But I won't, now's the time to make a stand.

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23 Aug 2013 13:10:35
great post, the time is now to get all thieving backstabbing f@kks out of ibrox, SDM if part of this is shameful and proves no one person can ever be trusted with our club again, as the fans are the lifeblood of the club we deserve to have a bigger say in what happens within our club.

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I've been on this site on a number of occasions and said that the Carpetbaggers had taken command at Rangers and was told to wise up etc, but now we see what is happening how do we put a stop to it? I'm asking this question honestly because all Rangers men are suffering, from Canada to N Ireland to Scotland

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Great idea and great post look forward to u setting up website

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All this info has been in the domain for quite a while, not until a The Rangers man starts questioning the goings on a are "peeps" Prepared to listen. Fair play to George for taking this step with the risk of been shot down by the head I the sand brigade but I have a feeling too little to late is the outcome. TTTS

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Spot on with everything. I have the contact details of another figurehead we could use, if you wish. He was the one who stood up to fight against Charles Green and put his neck on the line that night outside Ibrox telling us to ask to see the deeds.

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I reckon the now Dundee manager should get a pat on the back and tell us where his info comes from, because it's bloody good, sorry about the French.

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Great post. What really sickens me is people like McCoist taking over £700,000 in wages for a fourth tier team - no wonder he does not do walking away!

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We need to spread the word through as many fan sites and football forums as possible. WE are the people, and WE are Rangers, without us there is no club! Time for the Bears to unite and stop bickering.

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Great post and so so accurate. I stopped going last year whe Green appeared on the scene as it was obvious he was only here for one very sinister reason. It made me sick seeing him outside ibrox giving people tea when they were queuing for season tickets. Unfortunately it's too late this time round as the season ticket cash HAS gone as has the share issue cash. Sorry but its true and we all know it. I know for a fact we will be back in admin by Xmas. We just have to prepare for it and be ready to put a fans bid in place. If its not McColl and co then we ALL have to dig deep to take control of our club.

We will be back but it's going to be a slow build. Murray, Whyte, Green will not be forgotten.

Brizo.

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Get big bomber involved, get sandy jardine on board, get big goughie in on this as well. The goalie, Andy Cameron, Iain Davidson. Prominent rangers fans who can help us get our voices heard. We can ALL stand on the steps at Ibrox and shout it loud enough that these robber should be tossed OUT OF OUR CLUB!

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Craig whyte with his background was the obvious front man and fall guy for the takeover especially as he was a personal friend of sir d m. This is common industry practice. It's been a game of charades and many fellow bears have sadly been duped by this.

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We don't need anymore so called saviours coming into boost their already over-inflated egos; we, the fans, must save the Club when it falls flat on its face as it surely will by Christmas. Its our monies that they have all been using and intend to use further, we must take control! They are all just paying themselves massive salaries and bonuses, for what, we need to get rid of the lot of them and embark on a bit of DO IT OURSELVES!

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Agree 100% we been shafted so many times in recent years. too many non rangers men got too much power. fan ownership is THE only answer. look forward to someone somewhere with rangers in their heart getting a fans buyout off and running. iknow that myself and my sons would be well up for it. when it happens and I believe it will only then will rangers fans be able to look to the future with real confidence of being the dominant force we were.

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Probably the best post ever on this site. We the fans are the lifeblood of the club and the OP is right, its long overdue that we are in control, not so long ago (although it feels like a lifetime with all the crap that's gone on). There was an estimated 250,000 bears in Manchester. £100 each would give a pot of £25million to start with if we could only get the right people in charge to front a fans buy out. Lesser clubs than ours with a much smaller fan base have done it so why can't we? Begining to look like Bomber's info was spot on. He was ridiculed for his outbursts, but people in a position of power within the club are the ones who look foolish now because of their refusal to back him, because they lived in fear of being kicked out (real Rangers men eh?). So I would urge every bear out there to support a fan buy out and get the club back in the hands of real Rangers men, the ones who have trudged thru snow and stood in the p*****g rain to support the team US the fans.

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Good to see reality dawning at last bears, but please be aware this may be too little too late:
if the leaseback deal goes ahead, the fans will have to stump up at least another £10m to the spivs who stole your club, or be milked by them for £3m a year for the next 10 years (that's £30m!) + another £20m to buy back the stadium.
The only realistic alternative to this leaseback now is another administration, half way through the season. And a proper adminsitration this time, not the fandango of 18 months ago. Big axe the squad. Wage cuts. Layoffs. Cut costs. Even cancel season briefs possibly. Forget promotion this season anyhow - points deductions are the least of your worries - assuming you can get the club off the spivs in time to do even this.

Otherwise, you are looking at 'shutting the doors on the big hoose' by ripping up the leaseback, so the thieves can enjoy their white elephant, and starting out anew - maybe renting Hampden.

None of these options looks particularly appealing I am sure. But this is probably the reality now.

(Don't shoot the messenger btw. if you had listened to those you choose to call your enemies before now, a lot of this could have been avoided).

Anyhow, sorry to see your club in this situation, and good look with the coming storm! Hope to see you safe out the other side. (and keep yer mitts of Terry Butcher!)

Caley fan.

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At last top notch this is the most truthful post I have seen on here we as rangers fans must do something about this now or our club is going to the wall these fraudsters must be tossed out of our club we as fans are the only people who can stop this the time for action is now I for one have seen and heard enough crap that is being spouted form all
involved with the current board we fan owner ship is the way it is going to have to be as we can trust nobody

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Just saw a headline Rangers appoint a spin doctor, this is the last thing needed at Ibrox another self serving slimeball spouting rubbish. The fans need the truth now as to where all the money has gone. I hate to say it but if this was happening at parkhead the celtic fans would demonstrate outside the ground night and day. The three rangers supporters clubs should unite as one and stand up as one before the club is finally forced out of existence by the asset strippers. the next home game a sit in by 40,000 fans, block the board members from entering or leaving the building, camp outside, do what is needed before it is too late. Where are all the businessmen who for years used the hospitality at Rangers, received preferential treatment getting tickets to the big games when the loyal fans could not, seem to have disappeared. The only spin doctors that should be in Ibrox are John Brown and Lorenzo Amorouso to kick the carpetbaggers and their pals out the door.

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