Rangers Rumours Archive February 27 2012

 

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27 Feb 2012 23:24:43
I find quite amazing that a club the size of Rangers FC appoints a Director in Andrew Ellis who was operating out of a one room office in Beauchamp Place London as a small property agent / dealer, surely did anyone not check him out...something wrong somewhere ..... not withstanding he was going to buy the club .... How for heavens sake??

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I'm surprised that you are surprised mate, after the recent goings on.

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Yes very strange

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Shame on the board gutted fan

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Deluded, deluded, deluded. Even after all that has happened to your sad club in the past few weeks cant you wake up and smell the coffee. The club is corrupt to it's core, thats how a guy working out a single room office was going to buy it. FFS Whyte bought you for £1, then ripped the heart from the club to meet the rest of his obligations - season tickets, an Arsenal gift. If you are still too blinkered and sad to see, you never will, lmfao.

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27 Feb 2012 23:04:16
www.plus-sx.com/infostore/Company-Accounts/RangersFootball/RangersFCDisciplinaryNoticeFeb2012.pdf

for those of you who want to know more about this PLUS market fine

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I have no reason to doubt the integrity of this document. I do, however, find it astounding that a document of such high importance contains such a significant spelling mistake on only the second line!

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Love the spelling mistakes! IBOX Stadium? Its IBROX Stadium.
There's several more simple mistakes that make me wonder about 1. Whether the original poster just made this document up himself, or 2. Whether it's legal given the fact a document of this type must be factually correct. You'd think they'd at least get the address correct!

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27 Feb 2012 22:56:03
does anyone know if cw will be at ibrox on sat

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No chance, i dont think the guy has the baws... but then again.. look what he has done to us already jsm

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Oh get real. No chance of seeing him until end game. And i dont mean full time on sat. And where would he sit if he did? Directors box? No. Buy a ticket? No answers required. Best he is not there and he wont be.

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Doubt it very much

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He has my respect as the bravest guy on the planet if he does turn up, lolololol, but then he already has my respect lololol

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Can't see him leaving Monaco for a long time.

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Aye hes playing up front with healy

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Don't know if you seen/heard the telephone interview with Jim White & Craig Whyte - last night. Craig Whyte said he would be back in Glasgow soon.... he should be easy to spot... if you see a tank outside Ibrox, that will most probably be him.

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Not unless he dresses up as a blue seat so no one sees him.

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27 Feb 2012 22:45:05
I have just heard that the 16th March we could be liquidated as the money is running out big style. Apprently we have 2 weeks money left to operate and none for cva

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What at quarter to eleven at night. Your source must work really late.

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Just to avoid the Celtic game!

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16th March?? So those who celebrate on 17th March will have something more to celebrate! Dodgy story!

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No i dont think so not that day paddy

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Starting to think that pepole cover there eyes and point to a Random point in a calander, seems to be every day we are being liquadated

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Cva looking more like as time goes on

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Liquidation is unlikely, the fans would have to desert in droves for there to be a cash shortage. It is true however that an administrator can not borrow money, so if CW did plan this properly there should be enough funds to last to a CVA is agreed.

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27 Feb 2012 20:48:56
the whole mess stems from the previous board and owner and the current board and owner, so if its proven that the club has been run against the rules, of both the football authorities and the finacial authorities, then all directors past and present should be barred from running a club and/or being a director of a company, and barred by companies house for up to 7 yrs
Paul Murray and David King have to be investigated along with Bain and Johnstone and all the others including SDM and Whyte and neither of these people are fit and proper and should never be allowed near a football club again

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The mess stems from David Murray's abuse of the EBT scheme, from David Murray's ridiculous spending spree during the Advocaat years, and from Craig Whyte's deliberate decision not to pay creditors and various other dodgy dealings. End of. Do not try to tar Paul Murray and David King with the same brush. They were not on the board when the bad decisions were made.

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U seem to forget when paul murray joined board rangers were 40 million in debt when he was forced out rangers were 18 million in debt.hardley bad business by him is it

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P Murray and D King might not have initiated the EBT's but did anyone hear them speaking out about it, and don't forget Mr King has a huge case pending over in South Africa, so I do not think its right to say they are guilt free.

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Rangers reduction of debt was forced on them by the bank, nothing to do with good management.

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I know that a lot of fans are not happy with various board members and they all seem to be still hovering about. Is it maybe the time to draw a line under it all, bit the bullet emerge as a new team with fresh blood at the helm totally devoid of all went on previously. History gone but maybe that's what it will take.

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History gone NEVER NEVER. It took us 140 years to build our illustrious history. Mr Struth would turn in his grave.

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What planet are some of you clowns on? The previous board of Johnston,Mclelland etc reduced RFC's debt from 50 odd million down to a managable level. Walter Smith performed miracles to win 3 in a row and get us to a Euro final. The reason we are in this mess is down to a shyster not paying any Tax,PAYE.NI or VAT in the 9 months since he took over. What Murray was thinking selling to this rat i will never understand. Again, i repeat our debt was sustainable under the previous board

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The bank had a lot to do with this

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Someone upstairs must have seen this coming shame on them good luck rangers fans you must buy the club from a hibernian fan

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Thanks mate

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27 Feb 2012 20:37:28
Disappointed with King Walter's comments
at weekend trying to put a positive
spin on Murray's stewardship. Lets be clear
Whyte would not have been interested
in Rangers if they weren't in such a
mess - MURRAY'S MESS. I hope a
consortium & fellow fans save our
great club and ensure guys like
Murray & Whyte never set foot near
Ibrox. PY

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Anyone i mean anyone who had anything to do with this debackle should ever step inside ibrox again

and it pains me to say it this means wattie to

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Let's see what happens with the big tax case. This is the disaster from SDM's time.
The tragedy would be winning it - and still being in administration, staring liquidation in the face, as a result of Craig Whyte, the billionaire Rangers supporter.

Walter Mitty more like.... Can't believe he is still giving interviews. Did you hear him on S*y Sports.. Prat.

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Murray was the best thing 2 ever happen to rangers so shut it, and he made a mistake but at least he tried instead of making bull s**t on this page, people call themselves rangers fans well they arent, folk dont know what there oan about

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To be fair mr murray put millions into rangers and walked away with nothing

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Good post very true

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Of course, Sir Minty is a poor wee soul worried where his next square meal is coming from, so much he put your way, lol. I'm an Aberdeen fan as you might have guessed, partly by my glee and partly by the fact I don't come out with illiterate phrases like "oan about".That said, for me Murray and, especialy Whyte, are fair game. But to see someone suggest Walter Smith should be in the mix too?!! Why was Super Sally not mentioned. Christ both these men have been the only good thing at the top of your club for some time.

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Is this where we are at now? Slating one of our greatest managers in Walter Smith, 2nd only to Bill Struth, call yourselves Rangers fans? Some of you cant even spell.

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Sir Walter. Legend. That is all.

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27 Feb 2012 19:51:44
Who cares what Gordon Smith says?
If he was unhappy with Craig Whyte
why didn't he resign? He was quite
happy to take the wages and keep
quiet. Poor show from an ex-player.
Good riddance I say. PY

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What u on about he didnt say he was unhappy??

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Would you chuck your job if you werent happy. MMMMM , naaaaaaaaaaaaw

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Nail on the head mate. Quite happy takin the cash and keepin it zipped. And to the guy talkin about "would you leave your job blah blah blah"... Its a bit different. GS will have alot of other avenues to earn cash (commentary, tabloids, talk shows etc etc) and probably healthy savings to fall back on. Its about time folk grew a pair and thought about more than money... Its guys like that who screwed over Rangers in the first place.

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Why would anyone resign,when they know they would be due severance pay?everyone needs money to live. artybhoy

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To be fair mr smith was not allowed to do his job properly you cant blame gordon smith come on

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GS no good at the SFA and was useless at Gers. I agree he was happy to take cash, and isn't short of a bob or ten. His appt along with AR were a front to show CW was in control, but even CW knew this was all going to come crashing down eventually, hence the people he picked.

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27 Feb 2012 19:42:19
Lloyds definitely not in the least bit interested about how their 18m was repaid. I work in corporate banking, where the football sector is classed as a negative appetite, i.e. banks do not want to lend any money to clubs and want any borrowing reduced! So, lloyds got their 18m from whyte(ok, ticketus) but lloyds (43% tax payer owned) still lost over 3 Billion thanks to their own incompetence. The whole position is a mess, but watp and we will never disappear!

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Yes you will!

Specially after the EBT tax case!

£45 to 70 million.

You are not the people and never have been.

You are the fallen gullibles!

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Cooperate Banking?

IS THAT WHERE MOST OF THE MONEY WAS LOST THAT BROUGHT THE COUNTRY TO ITS KNEES and ultimaltley RFC ?

Well done my man.
How was your bonus?

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You are talking Raphael Scheidt. No banks can lawfully complete such a transaction without prior proof the monies were in the account where it was paid from.

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So LBG had no idea that Craig Whyte had been disqualified either .... Aye right !

It's going to be LBG's actions and years of reckless lending to football clubs in Scotland that'll bring the country to its knees again !!

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Whyte was banned and did his time.

He was legally entitled to own another company and banks to work with him.

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I'm sorry timothy , but to say banks dont like lending money to football clubs is utter tosh ! the clubs get treated like kings by ALL banks.

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If all was really above board, why didn't Whyte disclose he'd been disqualified as a director ? If LBG didn't ask the question or make the necessary enquiries (which they're surely required to) .... the question must be ... why didn't they ?

The £50k fine by PLUS SE for failing to disclose this, suggests that the financial authorities must ask such questions in the case of company takeovers. Rangers' shareholders had the right to know for a start. Moreover, the financial authorities clearly feel the need to severely punish those who don't declare that they've been disqualified.

Then there's the question of whether Lloyds checked where the money was coming from ? and how legitimate it was ? ..... Or were they involved in setting up Whyte's deal with Ticketeus/Octopus, as some people now seem to be suggesting ?

So, at the end of all this, I wonder what punishment ALL the parties involved in this sorry debacle of a takeover will eventually face ? I strongly suspect its going to cost a helluva lot more than the £18m recouped by the bank !!

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27 Feb 2012 19:33:28
Former Rangers boss Walter Smith has urged the club’s administrators to lay bare the extent of the financial mismanagementeing paid of owner
Craig Whyte.

Everyone at IBROX knew TAX was
being paid.

The fans have been robbed..and
again are being sucked in for more.

New Club will wash their hands
from this muck....

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Ha Ha the cheek of him, Yea they will listen to the demands of Walk Away Wattie.

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Errrm...hate to break this to you mate....but tax WASN'T being paid, hence the reason you're in this position

taco

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Make that 54 titles since 1873....we'll give you 5 years worth to get ourselves right, and chuck you a few from the HMRC years as a sop to your paranoia, and you STILL won't have as many as us will you?

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I am sure Walter can answer a lot of the questions himself. He was there long enough.
Maybe hes positioning himself to be included in some position in the new set up.

He is untainted and totally unaware of the naughtyness that was going on over the last decades and hardly had any communications with Murray , Whyte or the RFC board.

Welcome back Walter.

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If what was reported in the S*n newspaper is correct there are all sort of ramifications. A player can only have one contract and this is required to be submitted to the SFA when a player is registered. With another contract have SFA regulations been breached? Were players properly registered? If they weren't then players were not legible to play and cups / titles most definitely tainted. What will UEFA have to say about it. Was this evidence available to HMRC and presented to the FTT? A lot more to come out in due course if true

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No he asked foe more money end of

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Evening sandheids not posted for a while,
Don't you think it's double standards by Walter asking for the whyte knights financial misdemeanors to be laid bare when he took his monthly salary from sir minty who actually put you in the gutter in the first place
Hoodbhoy

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Something new is turning up each day sad rangers fans must own the club in future only way i can see it the fans have been treated with contempt not good enough

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Peace celtic fan here i can i say too the rangers fans have been treated terrible here i take no comfort from what is going on at your club we have been there i think its unfair everybody sticking the boot in rangers fans need a new share issue i for one would hate to see a poor rangers team we need both teams to be strong best wishes to the rangers fans hope they can buy the club

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Lol if ever a sympathy seeking Rangers fan wrote a message pretending to be a Celtic fan.

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27 Feb 2012 19:04:59
having tried hard not to listen to radio phone inns i made an exception tonight so i could hear gordon smiths take on events, but he didnt give much away, i couldnt help notice that they still find it ok to give airtime to callers who seem hell bent on finding out more dirt on rangers, time to give this show a wide berth!! col.

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The Scottish media are all a litter of media puppies!

All Rangers and Murry sicofants!

Not a investigative journalist amongst them. The corruption at Rangers and the SFA has been going on for decades.

But when the boil bursts all the puss comes out and will for months!

But the stench will never go away!

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Bury your heads in the sand, its not even a year since Craig Whyte was applauded in as the man who would outspend celtic and bankroll success. This is the end for RANGERS. Hail Hail

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As a Celtic fan I too am fed up listining to barrak room lawyers who know this and know that and actually know feck all.

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Oh yeah, backed up by Uefa and Fifa investigations of course....or maybe just the green and greys fantasist imaginings...PROOF bhoys, Proof of these decades of corruption...and apart from the Jorge Cadete yawn fest, you ain't got any..RFC being under investigation does'nt validate your prennial whining about anti-Sellik bias.

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You should've listened to the Real Radio phone in .... i couldn't believe i heard a Rangers fan on expressing his outrage at the SFA for expecting Alan McGregor to wear the new GREEN Scotland goalkeeper's jersey , Rangers are up s**t creek , but lets get our priorities right eh ! No Class since 1873 . lol

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Poor Wee Scotland!

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Thank you men in suits for making our club look like a joke angry ger

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27 Feb 2012 18:53:20
Craig Whyte reported as going into
IBROX tonight 8pm....
possible press announcement..

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That's funny a couple of hours ago he was on Sky doing live interview and never mentioned I better grow wings and fly to Glasgow from monoco

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Reported where, the Celtic News.

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Strange how he was phoning Jim White on S*y from Monaco at half 5 this evening. Your source is because that call was live on the tele.

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Hate to tell you guys but he's a proven liar so he could have been phoning from anywhere.

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I think the nearest he is going to want to to Scotland is London.

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Hows he arriving by tank

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27 Feb 2012 18:39:14
20 player to leave ibrox by wednesday .9 first team players.11 from under19.durrant+ 2 others also going from backroom

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Please state where you got this information or is it more manure

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Which one r u?? duff or phelps??

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Utter bullsh#t ya nugget we aint got that much in the 1st team


TB

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Administrators need to keep it running to some degree to attract interest. Nobody will be interested in investing in a 5-a-side team. If you're gonna spout lies make them semi believable

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Well if they take away 9 first team players WE WONT HAVE A STARTIN 11

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5 or 6 will go not that number

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27 Feb 2012 18:22:30
TV saying that players are offering to take a 25% cut in wages to try and stave off any redundances. AGer63

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It is not enough ..as whyte has already said there will be a lot more redundancies
And I think liquidation is on the card

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Great gesture by the players,considering they have contracts,keep that team spirit lads,we are all behind you.

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The players never offered the team were maybe going to ask the players

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It didnt say they were offering to take a pay cut.it said they are getting ASKED to take a pay cut.totally different.artybhoy

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Is there any giving money back?

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27 Feb 2012 18:21:13
So I have just heard that the money from the rangers v ac Milan will now not be going to charity ...I find this shocking ..well I suppose it will be going to the Craig whtye charity
But shocking to deprive these charities of their money ..How low is a rattle snakes belly

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Heard partially correctly. It will be split between the two agreed charities and rangers. The proportions are unknown. I wouldn't assume that it would be split heavily to the rangers coffers - although naturally if you're a celtic fan you will. Muzz

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From what ive read the rangers charity has offered to give up there share to help the club survive no one has forced them to,

as they realise that if the club goes under then there wont be a rangers charity any more either,

this really is a case of them understanding the situation and looking to the long term instead of the short term,

i think it is a nice gesture from them and has been based on the support the fans have gave to the charities for the last ten years,

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The game was organised to raise cash for the rangers youth foundation.so not going to an outside charity if that is the confusion.

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The Rangers Charity Trust have OFFERED to waive their share of the money from the legends game due to the financial state Rangers are in AND they have made the gesture as a result of over a decades support from Rangers. I haven't heard whether or not the offer has been accepted....but you are obviously an expert who knows better!

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And this is the reason i wont be going now complete disgrace an more bad press for our club


TB

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If i see the word TRUST and Rangers then sorry but this does not work...
You earn TRUST and work to keep it...
Murry and Whyte hold your head up high NOT...

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Hope the money goes to whatever charity hope the admin guys pay it this is the kind of press we dont need at the moment shocking if true

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Hope not bad if it is whats the story with this ed ? {Ed001's Note - the charity have offered to forego the money they are due to receive. It is simply a case of there being little point in a Rangers Charity Trust if there is no Rangers!}

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27 Feb 2012 18:06:10
Can someone please tell me: do we still own Ibrox?

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No agent White does

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We do indeed. However, The Rangers FC Group (wholly owned by Craig Whyte and a separate entity from Rangers Football Club) has a 'floating charge' over the Club's assets. Whyte effectively purchased this from Lloyds Banking Group and is now the main (only?) secured creditor. This basically means he could call in the receivers to sell of Rangers' assets in order to settle the debt.

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Yes. Ibrox is still in the plc company

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In the White Knight we trust?

I think the former owner and board cant be trusted then!

What about the next ones!

OoooPs!

Alot of the financial mismanagement went on for decades.

Alot of old faces will still remain.

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27 Feb 2012 18:04:46
gordon smith on radio tonight- should be interesting!

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What radio?

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Even if he talks for half an hour it will be all wind and no substance.

Ally talk!

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27 Feb 2012 17:47:43
just heard through good source the lads uncle Kirk Broadfoot 1st to go told this evening !

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If true,sorry big Kirk,wholehearted big guy,never forget him giving McGeady the runaround,more to follow i would imagine,sad times

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Gone but not forgoten big broadfoot.i remember the time the big man completed a pass what a player!anyone any better memories?lol hee haw

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Aw naw!! this is terrible news...for us celtic fans haha

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Would be one of the first out the door if it was down to me, big guy tried his best but just wasn't good enough imo, wish him luck tho.

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Yeah fondly remembered for costing us 3 old firm games, and loads of other games, yeah good honest Kirk one of the worst players ever.

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Remember he dived at parkheed n had lennon greetin on the telly quality . no the greatest bt honest n great attitude , is it true alot of the team offered to play for nothin until end of season anyone else heard that, i heard it was big mcculloch n few others

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Broadfoot wasnt the most gifted footballer but this guy gave his all for rangers.some fans have very short memories. all the best kirk if your away,you will be liked elsewhere

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I don't have a short memory that's why I can remember his inept performances especially against Celtic. Remember the back to back old firm games the last time Celtic won the league he sold te jerseys in both games with schoolboy errors. Has never improved look at this season in numerous games. Yes my memory is fine. Bye bye Kirk should never have been hello Kirk.

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The big mans no rangers class to be honest

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I think you should be forced to keep and play him regularly as part of the punishment for your wrongdoings ;-D

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27 Feb 2012 17:16:28
i see now the charity game v milan legends ..the money raised will now be split between rangers foundation milan foundation and rangers football club ...pretty poor show TBH all money should be going to charities IMO ....bigt

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Needs must but that's pretty low.
Nevis

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Not saying i dont believe you or nothing but what is youre source to this i wanna have a ponder over it. i do believe they will try get as much money out of this as they possibly can discraseful i know but as the poster above said Needs must

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27 Feb 2012 17:13:10
SO, A club that is going Into Liquadation can still confirm that games will go ahead. AC millan VS Rangers Legends will go Ahead http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2625922

Starting to think some pepole have been telling porkys on this site

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LOl dont believe all you read Whyte told you 100% he was acting on the best interest of the club

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CW didnt state this. It was the club and the Admin

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Yep and how low can rangers get ..Now want to keep the money and sod the charity

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Actualy the Rangers charity has given Rangers half because if we go then they go. So go back to our own site.

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Wot an idiot trying to take another cheap shot wot a joke

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27 Feb 2012 16:49:08
just seen Craig Whyte speaking to Jim White on TV, honestly that guy has no morals/scruples or decency whatsoever - talk about lying and running scared - one of his answers was totally unintelligible - sure we are all comforted by his reassurances that there are "no missing millions" - NOT!! Still he is coming to Glasgow "soon" so a nice welcome awaits I am sure.

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See me, I believe in facts I do.

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Probably for Lodge meeting with David .Murray anf Fred Goodwin...g

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27 Feb 2012 16:46:28
Just watched S*y sports interview with whyte.....god this guy said the correct things supporters this and supporters that but didn't now anything what was happening our what admin doing...I think the silence by not being able to convey any positive news spells the worst

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Wee craigy says there are no missing millions and do you know what i beleve him 100% cause to him they aint missing they are in his bank!gotta love him hailhail lol

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He is a crook and will remain as long as it takes to strip the club of everything

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Not necessarily!

Thats just how he talks!

I've heard he's going into politics.

First Minister of Scotland! Can't fail!

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He made most of his money concerning his early childhood. Book and Film . It was called the Omen.

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Who were the silly famers who let the fox into the chicken coup!

Its not the foxs fault.

Its in its nature.

The fox was let in because the chickens were already doomed cause they had bird flu and now they are on a foxhunt and forgetting the farmer!

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27 Feb 2012 16:45:33
the sfa have a lot to answer for as they never checked out whyte to see if he was fit and propper to be an owner .. jsm

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Stop blaming the SFA David Murray should have checked the guy out. He sold us down the river so he could wash his hands of the club! Now like everyone else he is sitting on the sidelines looking for someone to blame - Try looking in the mirror!

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Neither did Rangers..........DH

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To be honest, at the time whyte was taking over he was all over the papers as the "whyte Knight". If the SFA had stepped in to stop the sale to him, there would've probably been a bit of a backlash with SFA being accused of hindering rangers.

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Rangers FC and SFA!

Partners.

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Its the sfas job ya numpty

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They all knew !

They are all denying!

The Rangers way.

RFC - Truth, Honesty, Clarity what a laugh!

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Incredible! I'm Rangers thru and thru but to blame the SFA for this mess? Come on, get a grip

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You can't blame the SFA for poor management of your football club

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Nothing to do with the sfa total mis management from the top

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I dont disagree with the original post. Why don;t the SFA do this prior to any takeover...why didn;t they do it with hearts and romanov? it is in there rules, but they only deal with thigns when it hits the fan...bizzare...

That said, you really can't balme the SFA for the mess at the club. Hopefully this will lead to them changing their rules of financies within the game in Scotland for the better to stop a repeat of this mess and, clubs failing to meet those rules will be docked points before the season starts...seems pretty straight forward.

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27 Feb 2012 16:38:28
With the administrators axe due to fall on a number of Rangers employees this week I believe the players who have already stated their willingness to accept reduced wages to help the through this difficult time should be commended for this. It really shows their loyalty to club and is further proof that the whole Rangers family from our top players to the cleaners to the fans are all looking out for one another to help get us through this uncertain period and help the club become stronger in the future.

It should also be noted that not to long ago a certain captain from across the city stalled on signing a contract extension until a few extra zeros were put on the end of his signing on bonus, shows where his loyalty lies!

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When will you get it into your head that these players are not taking a wage reduction they are taking a wage deferral. They still expect to get paid every penny they are owed. Doing it this way gives them a better chance of getting the money they are contracted to earn or failing that the right to sign for someone else without a transfer fee thus pocketing a shed load of cash as a signing bonus!

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Be realistic. They are empolyees of a business that's in serious trouble. They are acting as proffesionals should do as well as showing a bit of loyalty but in their position what alternatives do they have?

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I love this myth that the players are 'giving up' their wage. They're not. They are simply saying they'll accept an IOU.

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Well, one alternative they have would be to keep taking their full wage and help drive the club into liquidation,then their contract could be ripped up making them free agents. They would then be free to join any club for a new contract. I think the actions of some of the senior players at Rangers are comendable!

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To the op,they are waiting for the full money not taking a wage cut,with the problems at Rangers can you really give a flying f*** what Scot Brown is on

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Also, I enjoyed your last comment about the captain from the other side. That has nothing to do with any of our problems! Get a grip mate!

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What Players demand before signing contracts has Nothing to do with loyalty? How many times have Rangers been held to Ransom by players doing the same? But I wont go there don't want to upset those loyal players. The players who have offered to defer payments should be congratulated, But those players on thousands of pounds a week can afford to go without their pay cheque for a few month, it is the Cleaners, Catering Staff and caretakers that Can't. I am sure they could all well afford tae throw a few grand in the kitty to give those staff a couple of quid to help them through the 4 weeks it will take tae sort out their Social Money.
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Scot Brown has been the best player this season by far, totally worth the few extra zeros. Just goes to show that money is eveything and rangers have NONE!!

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The players agreed to take a cut in wages provided they were reimbursed should they come out of administration.
it more than likely some high paid players will go to save money as its not a reduction on staff levels but a reduction on costs needed to run club. i think ally may be one as well. thinl motherwell a few years back

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Scott Brown best player this season what planet are you on or what have you been sniffing I am a celtic supporter and he is by far the most over rated player in Scotland !!

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Ye but the club CAN afford it!!!

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I had to laugh at the OP opinion of the rangers "family"
Seriously?? It is the head of this "family" that has caused all this sh!tstorm withi his reckless spending. I am honestly shaking ma heid here.

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27 Feb 2012 16:18:41
I believe it was Donald muir who
introduced craig whyte to ticketus
to push through the deal. Lloyds
want out of all football investments
to concentrate elsewhere.

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Don't talk crap. Whyte runs his own ticket company so is well aware of Ticketus. Also one of the Octopus directors, who operate the Ticketus investment is connected to Whyte.

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Aye right, and Donald muir (lloyds) was oblivious to whytes ticketus deal? Surley whyte couldnt have hoodwinked both SDM & Lloyds? Somone inside Rangers knew, and it was the bank!

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Makes a lot of sense. Wouldn't surprise me.

The bank forced SDM to sell. He had no choice.

I bet this deal was put together by the bank. They were just desperate for their money back and have disregarded City regulations or have found a way to get around referrals to the Takeover Panel, so as not to expose Whyte's background and previous disqualification.

The whole thing stinks and the bank were the ones pushing this through.

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27 Feb 2012 16:11:13
Most likely High Profile sacking will be
Legend Iain Durant :(

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Ian Durrant = Legend, but have been asking what he actually does? sad to see him go but needs must.

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Durrant is a legend i heard kenny mcdowall has been sacked tonight

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He coaches the team him and macdowell won't be sacked they will have to be there to usher all the young players through that will be playing for us now

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No ones safe really sad times

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He was a decent player, but only decent. Has not much to offer as a coach.

GB

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27 Feb 2012 16:02:56
The £50k fine imposed by stock exchange belongs to SDM !! ( along with many of the other millions ) It was HIS failure to disclose info re: Whyte that has resulted in yet more embarrassment for Rangers fc. (.)(.)

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But he didn't know JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE AT THE RFC FAMILY!

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27 Feb 2012 16:02:39
why didnt the accountants and financial people looking after Rangers interests not foresee all these problems and advise them

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They did, everyone concerned has known all along.

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Murray chose to ignore the concerns raised.

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He wanted the £18 mil bill paid and to leave before EBT £45 to 70 mill brought the club down.

Dafties

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They did. Alastair Johnstone warned of this at the time.

Lloyds Bank didn't care and they were calling the shots. They just wanted their money.

The truth will all come out soon.

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27 Feb 2012 15:49:49
Quote from this afternoons Evening Times Murray said he will know by the end of this week the names of the “like-minded businessmen†involved.

He said: “I know the club inside out in terms of its finances, but I’m trying to bring a group of people together to come forward with a common vision.

Now my problem is if PM is saying this now why did he not do something earlier and why did he make the comment a week or so back that he did not know the details of previous arrangements with Ticketus, so is he fit and proper to run The Rangers ??


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Good point Annie. He denied any knowledge of the Ticketus deal under the old board.

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Sorry, but in my view, if he knows all about the finances, (having been a director) at the time, then he is as bad as the rest of the bloated businessmen sucking at the money trough, then all acting soooo,shocked when it runs dry and blaming everyone but themselves

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He is meaning that he now, knows thw ful extent of our problems. I THINK AND HOPE that he has Rangers at Heart, we fans and the club have been through alot in the past five years. Think he could be the answer we are hopinf for WATP

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In ma opinion he has the right idea about not doing it on his own n wantin sum gd high rankin millionaires to come in with him if one goes skint or that theres other to carry us along without haven this fear again .. if he never cared about rangers he woulda just done a craig whyte

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Are you Rangers supporters just plain and simple stupid.

This man was on the old board that ran the club into the ground. He wants a man alongside him, Dave King, who is being investigated for £230m tax evasion.

Good God, don't you peepil ever learn.

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We want honest and competent Guardians of our club!

Old Guard have proven themselves otherwise!

We need new and clean not old and tainted!

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Think Murray means that after 4years on the board and reducing the club debt by half he knows that side of the clubs finance, however he can't know the fraudulent dealings inflicted by that LIAR, CRAIG s**tE SORRY WHYTE!!. PS What about the bull#### WHYTE was taking on SKY SPORTS, does he think Rangers supporters button up the back, having spoken to a number of season tickets holders I would be surprised if 30% renew if Whyte has anything to do with the club next season.

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We need new owners and a new fan shares issue respectable people in charge not good enough

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27 Feb 2012 14:16:40
Have had couple of text messages this morning saying that a director of parks of Hamilton has been saying that rangers are going into liquidation tomorrow at 4.45 (allegedly) anyone else heard this or is ? Pennyboy (so hope its a wind up)

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Don't know if I believe this but Douglas Park is a big Rangers fan and is involved with Paul Murray so there may be some truth in this

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Aye bus companies are first on the list to find out then scotrail and then the taxi drivers...get a grip

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Can't see how we could be liquidated before the administrators have fully announced their findings from the accounts etc and looked at how to reduce the outgoings. Unless things are worse than we have been told to date. Maybe the 'Director' at Parks has a middle name of 'timmy'.

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Have a look at this ... http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2625922

Who ever posted this needs to stop talking garbage, Rangers will survive. In the future will be a force again.

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About time

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A big supporter he may be but he is also another business man seriously struggling for business in this present climate, He is also a substantial creditor who has not been paid for nearly a year, Who has to balance up his own books. I don't know if he made that statement or not, but he certainly rubs shoulders with those who might be in the know.
Scuds

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What a load of nonsense! As usual people make up rubbish and claim to know someone who might know - nobody knows apart from the administrators. Even then, liquidation makes no sense right after paying all wages. Liquidation probably suits Mr Whyte though - maybe that's where the focus should be.

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27 Feb 2012 14:11:09
Don't know if this has anything in it but I work in Hilton hotel. And a man (very business like) was checking out. He was on the phone and says 'it should be completed after the hearing' now this could be about anything, but his name was Andrew wynne and I've seen a few posts on here mentioning him.

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27 Feb 2012 13:57:06
My wee brother playes for the under 17's. He's sitting next door and says your talking s**te.

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27 Feb 2012 13:30:58
Plus stock exchange fine Rangers 50K for non disclosure of Mr Whyte's previous directorship ban. It seems David Murray is being dragged into the quicksand.

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Dragged in ffs

its ALL about him
EVERTHING goes back to that him

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MURRY is most to blame.

Whyte is to blame only for the recent probs since he took over months ago,
(the minor £9 million).

See thru the smoke and mirrors.

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27 Feb 2012 13:21:15
All the rumours are that Celik will be away this week. Can't believe we are losing this guy. I reckon he will turn out to be decent.

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You must be the only one who thinks he is decent.

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He is poor. bendikson was a better prospect!

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is that he is really poor,have seen better Amateur players.

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A lot of flashy step overs and dancing but no end product. Need to learn to hit the by line, if he's still about at the weekend

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I can't believe some of you have decided hes poor??
I assume you know his season ended in October and isn't due to start until Middle of March. He has had NO preseason, is playing in a different league, is young and is having a terrible time arriving and club in Admin shortly after.
He may end up being Pish but I have watched numerous clips of the guy, seen him look good when brought on and the game opened up V Hibs and Hamilton and his National team manager at U21 says he is the best player to come out of Sweden since Ibrahamovic and compares him to Rooney!
I for 1 will give him the chance to prove himself as I think theres more truth in a fellow coaches opinion and not a supporter who has made his mind up on a guy who has NEVER played more than 45 minutes in a single game for us (on wrong side V Dutd)
I think he will and hope he does stay, can't see £3k a week much of a saving compared to £15k McCulloch must command.

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Hes been poor

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From his show on the park so far it may be for the best. Ally's signings have been poor poor poor.

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Remember John Fleck was also compared to Wayne Rooney !

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If only it wiz the uthrr sellik that wiz aff!

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27 Feb 2012 13:12:07
Rangers will get 21 days to pay the £50K fine, if it's not paid... although, highly unlikely... Plus Stock Exchange, could apply for a winding up order on Rangers.

Rangers are not disputing the fine.

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A company cannot issue a winding up petition against a company in administration. The court protects the company from creditors whilst the administrators deal with the finances.

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You can issue a winding up order if the payment due comes after the date of administration, which in this case it does.

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This was on TV today and this is what the reporter said during the live broadcast outside Ibrox.

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Utter rubbish we are in administration. I doubt the Administrators will accept this as a legitimate debt as it has been raised after the date of Administration. Nothing more than a paper exercise unless we wish at the other side of admin to register with them which will be questionable

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27 Feb 2012 12:47:21
It never rains but it pours Rangers have been fined £50000 by the Stock Exchange for failing to disclose that Craig Whyte was disqualified from being a director for seven years

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Whyte should pay this bill he is a lying conman and should walk away with his pound he is a compulsive lier

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In Craigy and Murry you trusted.

Hope youve learned something.

Dont be so gullible next time.

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27 Feb 2012 12:42:41
SN -Rangers £50K fine for failing to disclose that Craig Whyte had been previously disqualified as a director.

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27 Feb 2012 12:37:34
Rangers fined £50K by Plus Stock Exchange.

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27 Feb 2012 12:37:02
Rangers fined £50,000 for failing to disclose owner Craig Whyte had previously been disqualified as a director. Source B*C News.

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Something else for the Save the Hectors to cough up for......Its only Monday what a start to the week... LOls.

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Rangers fined £50K for non disclosure of Whyte's ban, full release:

www.plus-sx.com/infostore/Company-Accounts/RangersFootball/RangersFCDisciplinaryNoticeFeb2012.pdf

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This is true

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27 Feb 2012 12:25:28
I've heard a rumour Ally has been
told to reduce his squad to around 18.
& for his big earners to take a cut
in wage.

Players left after Wed will be :

GK
McGregor (cut in wage)
Alexander

DEF
Whittaker (cut in wage)
Goian
Wallace
Perry
Bocanegra

MID
Davis (cut in wage)
McCulloch (cut in wage)
Edu
Aluko
Wylde
Kerkar
Ness

FWD
Lafferty
Celik
Naismith
Little

Going :

Papac
Healy
Bartley
Bedoya
Broadfoot
Hemmings

Already Gone :

McMillan
Jelavic
McKay

On Loan :

Fleck
Hutton
G Adam
Otriz
K Naismith
Cole

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Not paid for celik so he is away, unless u want uefa at your door as well.

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5 defenders for 5 positions.
4 strikers for 1 position.

Wouldn't be able to park the bus anymore.

No, don't think so.

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Hemmings will be kept so dont think that will happen healy papac mcculloch bodoya bartley will be first to leave little wylde aluko an kerker could be going aswel

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What is the point in posting this, we KNOW you just made that up

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Ross Perry was excellent on Sunday, where is he ?

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No-one knows who, if anyone is leaving. Wish this drivel would stop !! AGer63

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Would the administrator not consider alexander as expendible? and use our young keeper as back up?

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Ross Perry is listed under Perry in the defenders section...

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27 Feb 2012 12:19:13
Mid to late afternoon tuesday player redundancies will be announced,this will be followed,inside a few days,by liquidation.The administrators have discovered that there is not enough funds to trade through the close season when the biggest income stream will end.Legally they are bound to liquidate when they know that insolvancy is inevitable.Season ticket purchases are what keeps large clubs alive during this time and there is no income from this.This is the reason photographs were taken of everything owned by Rangers during the last few days as a brochure must be printed for sale purposes.The belief among a lot of people involved in this event is this is exactly what Mr Whyte wanted.HMRC are believed to be watching Mr Whyte very closely during this time.

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Aye mate watch those flying pigs over the east end....nae source ..nae clue all crap...

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Ah, denial......where have we seen that?

....no WATP statement?

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Why on earth would i give a source? My posts have been pretty accurate so far.The vultures are ready to pick over your clubs bones and still you are in denial.Another 50k fine has killed you off.Try looking for info instead of dripping piddling amounts into funds.

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You wont give a source for the simple reason you made it all up. Its what you fantasise over.Season ticket money comes into the club starting may .Now get yourself off to the toilet with youre phil macwhatever printouts

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Your posts have been pretty accurate so far have they? Funny how you haven't left a name on your so called posts to substantiate this eh. You talk Colin Nish!

SS1

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Re;the season ticket money comes in may,wheres that heading? Right out the door to ticketus. Only a small percentage now goes to Rangers and with running costs of around 1m per week how do you survive? Do the maths guys before slagging everything you dont want to hear. SS2(just for you ss1)

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Listen guys this post may well be utter lillian gish but we have to get one thing straight and that is that we have to face facts, we r skint and season ticket money - well best we dont go there at the moment, sad but unfortuneatly true.

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Liquidation is the way forward, new club will be formed, leave Scottish Football behind and start agian in England with a view of being the EPL within 10years. The mhanks are welcome to the Scottish League, we'll see them in a few years being the Shamrock Rovers of Scottish Football, while the New Rangers are mixing it in the best League in the World. WATP

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Why would the English League want sectarian poison and problems that come with Rangers FC.

European sanctions and Manchester??

Whats the "Cost" and whats the "Benifit"?

"Accounting" and Rangers FC dont go together!

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27 Feb 2012 11:50:55
LLOYDS AND THE TICKETUS DEAL - Exclusive
LLOYDS BANK may have been behind the sale of Rangers season tickets by Craig Whyte to Ticketus for £24.4m BEFORE he owned Rangers.

And that could lead to seriously hard questions being raised in the House of Commons.

David Murray has issued a statement which categorically denies that he had any knowledge of the Whyte deal with Ticketus.

And a source close to Murray and with impeccable contacts in the City of London and the wider business world, has hinted that it was Lloyds who may have facilitated the deal between Ticketus and Whyte.

That would make sense.

For without the now controversial Ticketus millions Whyte could not have paid off the £18m Rangers owed Lloyds. And getting that money in May was the only priority for Lloyds… with Lloyds seemingly giving no thought to what damage any new owner may wreck on Rangers.

If true it once again shows just how David Murray was “marked” by conman Whyte, but calls into question the Lloyds banking practice.

And as Lloyds is 43 per cent owned by the taxpayer it opens the way for Westminster MPs to call Lloyds chief executive, Antonio Horta-Osorio to the Bar of the House of Commons to be questioned by Parliament, under oath.

Failure to attend would be treated as contempt of court and lead to the embattled Lloyds chief being arrested. Lloyds are now in hock to the British Government to the tune of £3.8BILLION.

There have always been concerns about the way Lloyds treated Rangers after they took over the Halifax Bank of Scotland. It was just about that time, in 2008, David Murray stood down as chairman of Rangers and resigned as a director.

Common currency in financial circles was that his hand was forced by Lloyds who had also taken over the banking arrangements for the Murray Group, which was then experiencing hard times.

But two men with Murray connections, Mike McGill and Donald Muir, then joined the Rangers board. McGill was said to be there to represent Murray’s interests, for David, though no longer a director, was still the owner.

The popular perception of Muir was that he was the Lloyd Bank’s hatchet man on the Ibrox board, put there to push through the cuts which saw the debt to Lloyds slashed.

Through the shrewd work of chairman Alastair Johnston and director Paul Murray, despite the debt being halved, sufficient resources were still provided to enable Walter Smith to build a team which won three-in-a-row, plus four cups.

It was as Rangers closed in on that third title that Lloyds are believed to have turned up the heat on David Murray whose Murray Group’s recovery plan was thought to be dependent on Lloyds backing.

It has never been denied by Lloyds that they put pressure on David to sell and impose a condition of sale that the £18m was paid off to Lloyds right away.

Paul Murray offered £20m plus a plan to continue with what was his proven ability to reduce the debt in stages while still making sure the company’s product, in this case the Rangers team, was successful.

Lloyds would not accept this offer from Paul Murray, a man who has an impeccable business history as a good corporate citizen.

Instead, they preferred to see David get just a quid for his 85per cent Rangers shareholding from Craig Whyte, a man whose business history even then was murky and who we now know to be a conman who has wrecked havoc on Rangers and driven them to the brink of extinction.

If you believed in conspiracies you would wonder at just what motivated Lloyds to act in such a way.

Had Dermot Desmond, Peter Lawwell and the Green Brigade been making the decisions for Lloyds they could not have come up with a better plan to ruin Rangers.

Not that I am suggesting for a moment that Dermot Desmond, Peter Lawwell and the Green Brigade were in any way involved.

For the moment, the immediate priority for Paul Murray and his associates is to save Rangers.

However, there are others, notably MPs and members of the House of Lords from both major British political parties at the REAL centre of power, Westminster, who are now starting to take an interest in the role Lloyds have played in all of this.

David Murray has already been grilled by the administrators, along with his man on the board from 2008 until 2011, Mike McGill.

Donald Muir, seen as representing Lloyds interests in the Ibrox boardroom over the same period, may be next on the list to be questioned by the men from administrators, Duff and Phelps.

Now, with a powerful, influential and well connected source in the City, believed to be close to David Murray, in touch with politicians, financiers and other senior bankers, Lloyds could soon be forced to explain themselves to the House of Commons.

David Murray, as I pointed out yesterday, has been turned over by Craig Whyte. He has been conned rotten. Knowing him, I do not believe it is a matter he will allow to rest, despite the continued Lloyds Bank involvement with his now resurgent Murray Group.

Questions in The House, indeed! ....

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Uuuhm. comment. rubbish. lloyds dont do deals lie this, and certainly not for a measil 18 million. 18 million is not a lot. lloyds have written off far far more from other deals. grasping at straws pal, grasping at straws. whyte and murray did you.

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If they are going to call the chairman of Lloyds to the bar he better hope that the Falkirk MP is not their.

Ian(For every £1 Celtic spend rangers will pay their creditors 10p)

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Hmmm, very interesting. Murdo Fraser MSP lives near me and is a BIG Rangers man. I think I will let him see this...
BB

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To the 1st post, your tellin lies, lloyds did a deal with SDM that's why whyte got rangers! if this is true then that sais it all we (rangers) are somewhat victims in this! gettin potentially out of business through a dodgy bank! the saying “ quiet ones are the worst“ springs to mind. stewie

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This is not fact, it's the opinion of a retired journalist.

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"may have been" is the only reliable piece of writing in this article!
Meanwhile, in an exclusive revelation by me, the queen "may have been" on the phone telling Lloyds to force through this deal.

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Spot on. Lloyds bailed out murray INT to the tune of around 2-3 hundred mill, for around 45% of their shares. SDM's hands
where tied. Lloyds where calling the shots, Donald muir set up the ticketus deal with whyte, as Lloyds want out of football full stop.

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Dont believe a word of this!

More smoke and mirrors for the gullible!

Has this been written by Murray & Co.

Farcicle to contimplate that Wyte could pull the wool over a man who has 40 years experience in business and over the most important transation.

More finger pointing

Murray is for one thing cert is not a fool!

£45 mill tax case will be the most damaging blow!

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Why are there not more questions being asked about the lloyds business managers in scotland, who were involved in making financial decisions affecting rangers and who left the bank shortly after the takeover. oh and who just happened to be on the celtic trust board????

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LLoyds did nothing wrong or illegal.

They were a bank that wanted its 18 million back.

They new Murrys EBT £45 mill tax case was comming up and after that it would good bye to getting 18 back!

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Bang on the money, mate !

Murray had no choice but to sell to Whyte.

LBG's finger prints all over this debacle.

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Think you are Murrays PR man ? David Murray steps away with perfect timing,Sells Club for £1 ,Bank he owes EVERYTHIING to gets its cash regardless,Whyte has Rhino Skin and is International Company Juggler with BIG adverse reputation,deal done methinks to get the cash back to bank and move on to the next deal ?This is what these people do EVERY day.

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27 Feb 2012 10:47:00
MAJOR BREAKING NEWS:

Rangers coaching staff and players (first team, reserves and youth) have been called to Murray park by administrators to learn there fate with an apparently shocking 40% reduction in coaching and playing staff expected immediately.

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Source please

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What's the source ? Remember half the players are on international duty at the mo too

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Not disputing your post... but where did you hear this?? It will always carry more weight when you add a source!! 40% seems a bit much on the playing side when... "and I hope not"... none of the operational staff have been mentioned.

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Why have the players been "called" to Murray park? Would they not be there anyway? More lies!

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Total crap Administrator stated Tues or Weds...BBC News.

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More lies. Do you really think that information on employment is going to be leaked by the Administratrs? Fellow bears we are not going to learn anything on this process other than from official sources. The rest is just Timmy having a laugh at our expense!

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This could be true as it is better for the staff to hear about the cuts ahead of the official statement rather than hear in a press conference that they have lost their job

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27 Feb 2012 01:08:07
Sassa papac won't play for rangers again with Wallace for left back an today's result proving even both can be done without it's the fact papac is on a pretty decent wage and he has no sell on value so he will be released and to show his support and love for the club he will not seek any compensation.
Thanks for everything Sassa you have been a great servant and in my opinion our best left back since Numan. WATP

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Papac would play for free if he had to! A true blue and a real gentleman. Pure insult

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Who knows,but do we not owe Hearts some money for Wallace.

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Agreed with above absolute insult to papac

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After this week you Hectors won't have anyone left to play for you.....more interesting news this evening...... more scandal and malpractice to be announced tonight on BBC.

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27 Feb 2012 00:45:22
Ed are these stories about players registration true? I have tried quite a few places but can't find anything about it.
vx {Ed001's Note - impossible to say right now, it is just rumours, but the SFA should have received the registration and had all the details, so I find it very unlikely to be true. But you never know, the way things have been going for Rangers lately, you have to wonder if anything has been done correctly!}

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Ok good point... I don't believe it but say I did ed ? How could rangers be held accountable ed? Surely the buck would stop with the SFA ? It was probably a tic that started the rumour anyway! {Ed001's Note - no, it would depend on the reason the registration was false. If the SFA had not received the correct or all the information regarding the player's contracts, which is the alleged offence, then Rangers would be liable.}

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I posted this first i think,and the problem is Rangers never declared the second contract regarding the use of EBT'S as they knew that it would be refused as the SFA rules are very clear on this.Why the SFA are in a panic is that UEFA are now planning an investigation of their own into the governance of scottish football.This is not any idle gossip,there seems to be a thought that Rangers have recieved special treatment from inside the SFA,and thats why they are now frantically trying to save themselves as they know UEFA are cracking down on associations.As i said to another poster who "timmied" this,this is very real.

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According to Jim Trainors show on Saturday it looks like Campbell Ogilvie's role within SPL and Rangers could be the big fly in the ointment if it proves to be true that only one contract was declared to the SPL not mentioning EBT's. The caller seemed pretty definite that this was the case.

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If this turns out to be true this (Rangersgate) could be more explosive and damaging to Ranger`s heritage that Mr Whyte. Is there anyone who can provide answers to this before it gets out of hand

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