Rangers Rumours Archive December 04 2013

 

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04 Dec 2013 10:55:53
For all those fans who genuinely want to pursue the idea of fan ownership I would again encourage you all to join the RST.
The RST have today announced the ‘Buy Rangers Direct Debit Scheme’ which is a huge step forward in making fan ownership a reality.
If you join the RST (only £10 p. a) you now have the opportunity to buy shares in Rangers for as little as £12. 84 per month!
As I’ve said many many times before the RST are only as good as the sum of their parts. They have now provided a genuine opportunity for us bears to have one voice and an affordable collective goal.
Let’s put previous misgivings to bed about the RST and accept that they are doing what they can to give us all a voice. If you don’t like what’s happening at our club or you don’t always agree with RST statements then do something about it. Join up, have your say and be a part of owning our club.
No excuses

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Agree with you BB, if they post my latest today let me know what you think, this share proposal fits in well with part of the suggestions I thought new board SHOULD be doing

george

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Baybear and George, two Ally out men drumming up support for fan ownership, your not exactly good front men in a lot peoples eyes. George you verbally attack Allys character and have called him some unsavoury names, Baybear you don't hold back on your dislike of our manager. Before you say it, yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when you make that opinion public then try and get people to buy into your Ideals questions will be asked. Say we win the league this season then the fans take over as the majority shareholders will it be on your agenda to oust the manager which will then cause division? I would be more than willing to invest in the scheme but not if the in fighting starts as soon as we get power.

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Jyf

We are all entitled to our opinions I would suggest you read the man MUR's post on banter page. A normal level headed guy no anger no insults but every point he makes exactly shows up what our manager is about = HIMSELF

I can't argue with you mate I actually detest the guy he is complicit in every problem we have had from Whyte to present.

I want him to suceed because I love Rangers but I seriously thing he is a nasty piece of work and will get found out big time.

george

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George so exactly how is he a nasty piece of work. Oh wait there that's you running your mouth with your opinion again. Where is your proof to back these accusations up. As for endorsing others posts just because they agree with your opinion honestly how shallow minded can you be. Did you ever stop to think that ally is a trusting kind of guy who takes people at there word until they do differently. It's called being positive instead of like you wanting to just see everything in a negative attitude because that suits your agenda. As for his contract and shares he deserved them for sticking with the club of course he has its called being repaid for your loyaltys it's usually givin to people who stick by something when times are tough and lots of other people have ran away. Like I say you don't know if ally has done anything dodgy you just don't like him and have made his name mud. Like I said before that's pretty shallow and disgusting in my opinion.

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So JYF and Pat the Ranger have you bought shares through the RST? Or are you just going to stalk Rangers fans who have a different point of view to you- it's called free speech. Do something to help the club buy shares and cut back on the hot air. We get it now unless we post constantly how wonderful Ally is we cannot be proper Rangers fans- now prove you are and buy some shares

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I've just read this op I have shares bought at share issue but started reading thought direct debit buy shares sounds good then I start reading all this anti Ally stuff even "I hate him" we'll never would I put one penny into a scheme where people like this are the spokesman for it what's being said about him is disgusting you may not think he is a great manager but these personal attacks are not on so your scheme a big big big no thanks

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? WTF? Just thought folk might want to know about an affordable way to buy shares and have a say in the running of the club. If you're no interested JYF that's fine. Dinnae need to bite ma heid off man.

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@ all we all have our own opinions and for us fans to get listened to then fan ownership is the only way forward but the only way for this to happen is for all fan groups to merge into one this is only way this could ever happen as these groups all profess to want the best for the club I'm not a fan of the rst or the rsa these wer the groups in a position to put pressure on the board at the Q@A with the board and asked the wrong questions and got no answers but yet the SOS started a few months ago but yet they put more pressure on the board in a short period of time than the 3 main fans groups collectively

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@cooperboy eh?
It's not MY scheme mate, it's the RSTs and you're right, it is a good idea. Not sure if you're just taking JYFs post as gospel but feel free to trawl the archives to find anything hateful or disgusting about Ally written by me. You won't because I don't. Yeah I don't rate him as a manager and some of his actions have tarnished my opinion of him but so what? Just an opinion like anyone else. I'm no frontman as JYF put it. Just a punter who thought bears would be interested in this scheme. FFS,, sorry I mentioned it now. Maybe we should not bother having a voice and just follow complicity like wee sheep.

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@ theBear82- shouldn't it be 72 (Barcelona)? agreed what the OP and some of us have been saying all along is there is a scheme already in place for us fans to Buy Rangers. We are a broad church of opinions but surely all of us agree on 1 thing - we want the club to survive?. This pro Ally and anti Ally stuff is getting ridiculous. let's ALL put the club first and buy shares in the club. McColl and the Murrays ain't doing it so let us get on and do what we can! United we stand, current divisions continuing we will assuredly fall

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@nbear 82 is for year a was born but anyway mate I'm all for fans purchase scheme but the rst and the rsa have proved that they don't have the skills for the job to represent the amount of fans that's needed for them to get a significant amount of shares wer we can have a say and that's how I feel all groups uniting together but having just the one leader like John Grieg or another of that stature

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Agreed Nbear, it's getting a bit ridiculous. Heartened to see all the supporters clubs coming together recently to make joint statements. As I've said before, for all the folk who don't like the RST why not change what you don't like. Sign up and have a say. The View it as an already established structure that can be used to force change.

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Nbear yes it's called free speech but with some of the things put up here about ally he could also say that many of the comments from the ally haters are slanderous. No you can have a opinion about ally all you want no loving required. I don't rate ally as much of a manager either but I usually wait till people fail before I give up on them. As for the shares thing through the rst I think that is a good idea but ultimately see it failing through fans disagreeing on things plus I would not want to be part of the same thing as some on here.

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But Pat, as a Rangers supporter are we all not already part of the same thing? Disagreeing is just part of living in a democracy as oppose to a dictatorship. The contention about Ally shouldn't even come into this debate. This post was supposed to be about a way to move forward with fan ownership and influence on the running of our club. Surely we all want that or have I got it badly wrong and we do want a SDM style dictatorship? Are we too scared of what might go wrong to even try taking responsibility for the running of our club? If we do want some influence as supporters then there is an opportunity here for us to buy shares in an affordable way; on mass. So what if we don't all agree all the time? Correct me if I’m wrong but is there any other system that is so accessible to the masses out there? Listen, I’m not on here trying to sell a product mate, I’m not on commission for every bear that signs up. I just thought that this already established system was a no brainer that bears would jump on as a way to have some control. Let me ask you this Pat, JYF and Cooperboy; and please don’t think I’m having a dig because I’m not. What if this thing takes off and what if all the people that sign up and buy shares are the ‘Ally haters’ that some of you so affectionately group us together as? Do you not think it prudent that guys such as yourself are then in a position to counter our opinions? If you’re not a shareholder (which you may be anyway) you would have no more say than you do now, which is none.
As for the Ally debate that this post seems to have turned into (again) I totally agree that there is no need for personal attacks such as name calling. However, there is nothing wrong with questioning someone’s credibility based on your opinion from what you have observed. I myself questioned Georges credibility when he first appeared on here. I in turn have had my own credibility called into question at times on here. Pat, can I ask you a few more questions please? You said yourself that you don’t rate Ally as much of a manager but concede that as yet he hasn’t yet failed. So if you feel he is not failing then what is it about him that you don’t rate? Surely he’s doing what he’s being paid to do which is win? But yet still there is something there that you don’t rate? So is he just winning by luck and that’s why you don’t rate him? Is the winning less about Ally and more about the resources at his disposal? The reason I ask is because these are the same opinions as I have and I have never resorted to name calling in Allys direction. So does that make you an Ally hater too or are some of us just not allowed to voice that opinion?
Finally Pat, I'd like to say that I generally find your posts pretty balanced and without prejudice. I may not always agree with you but I have respect for your opinion. Please don't take all my questions directed to you as a dig. I just figured you are one of the few that folk can disagree with but expect a civil and rational answer from.

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Baybear, went and registered on rst website to look into their share scheme, they want me to pay a tenner before I can read their statement,

OG right away, why don't they let visitors to their site read about it without having to join the rst first

How is their scheme going to work exactly?

JG

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Totally JG, when making suggestions to the RST I have consistently mentioned that they are not doing enough to open themselves up to the wider support.
So for that reason I'll do a new post with the info from their website as I've already paid my £10. By the way, just because I've joined doesn't mean I agree with everything the RST have to say. Just trying to look at the bigger picture. My £10 doesn't mean I'm pro RST, I'm just pro Rangers and looking at all options for a brighter future. Just thought I'd point that out as there seem to be a few on here that think I'm some kind of frontman/salesman for the RST which I find a bit irritating. Just a fan looking for answers like the rest of you.

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04 Dec 2013 02:02:34
Heard a wee rumour at the game, signing goodwille, griffiths or mckay (ict) great result tonight

wullie (chomp)munro

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All good players, but has Nicky Clark not shown his goal scoring prowess with 4 goals v Forfar.?

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