Rangers Rumours Archive July 07 2012
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07 Jul 2012 19:20:58
is the jelivic money still in evertons bank account frozen till all this is sorted out , and if it is when its released pay rapid and hearts and who ever else , heard it was frozen but maybe wrong.
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You dont get to choose who that money goes to
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No, it was payable over two annual dates, next one 2013
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That's the liquidators job, don't worry about it.
Old club don't want to pay money out but are trying to claw in anything owed. This includes player transfer monies owed to Rangers. As soon as old club is liquidated anything owed disappears.
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Don't be misled with everton money..they done deal with everton because of money we owed them from various deals...everton hardly parted with a penny....gujo
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"Old club don't want to pay money out but are trying to claw in anything owed."
Surely claw in everything so they can pay money out????
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If he didn't switch to the new co then any fee will go to the old co and to the creditors. This seems much fairer than either the player getting it or the new co.
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07 Jul 2012 16:06:03
Heard that shagger may not leave. He doesn't want to leave Scotland and is awaiting see what league The Rangers are placed in.
If it is league 1 then he will negotiate a new contract. {Ed039's Note - I would love to see it but I doubt it)
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Hope thats true he'll never have to pay for a drink in glasgow again.
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I doubt it too. He won't be able to negotiate anything like as good contract as his last one. More like the 75% pay cut version he negotiated at the end of the season.
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If the new club goes in to Div 1, then it will always be stained with the stigma of special treatment and cheating. No other new club would be given this advantage
Grout
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No other club? Short memories.
Motherwell were given a whole league re-structure to make sure they stayed in the SPL.
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Yea I agree but it is not Rangers fans who want to got to SFL 1 its all the other clubs and the SFA and probably your club whoever that may be. I want to go to SFL3 and be done with it and rebuild because when we eventually lift the SPL trophy again it will be all the more sweater. SFL 3 all the way.
Gers1986
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So were the sheep finished bottom then a reconstruction to 12 teams saved them no special treatment eh...
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He was and will always be the last ever Rangers goalkeeper.
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I maybe wrong but did the sheep not avoid relegation twice because of div 1 winners stadium not being all seater,,,,,sporting integrity MY ARS*
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And aberdeen survived getting relegated because of stadium bullsh.t.
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As were Aberdeen. If we go to div 1 it will be because Scottish football NEEDS it to happen... I would much rather go to Div 3, re-build and return to whats left of the SPL
BB
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Rangers manager and fans have shown overwhelming support for div3
also there are worse stain on other clubs
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Thing is if it was any other club they would go straight to div 3. But it ain't. It's the famous Glasgow rangers. Like it or not we are rangers and that won't change. And with 50 000 paying fans every home game we can't be treated the same. Everyone saying we have no history yet its exactly that history which is what tv companies and sponsors want to invest in Scots football. No old firm = no decent contracts. No rangers=no old firm.
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The only time you get 50 000 is when you play celtic your average is 42000 {Ed039's Note - Average attendance last season was 46,324 which left circa 5,000 empty seats on average, I believe that all of the other stadia with the exception of Inverness and maybe Hearts who would have had had about 10,000 empty seats on average, and I include Celtic in this, and this is the reason why the SFA and SPL dont want Rangers to go to Div 3, its a numbers game)
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I might be wrong but football rules state that New clubs applying for league membership MUST show 3 years completed accounts.. Who says you should get into SFL3.. that place belongs to Cove or Spartans. No more rule breaking please. As Green said in his statement,"If we're in league next season, we'll play where ever SFL puts us"
This won't be as straight forward as you think.
Plus all the sanctions to follow as everyone insists it's same Rangers then same sanctions will be applied and more. Duel Contracts, BTC, etc,ETC,etc... {Ed039's Note - This is b*****ks, where are you getting this from? Did Airdrie Utd have 3 years audited accounts when they took Clydebanks place in the league. I have researched this and can not find any piece of legislation to support this)
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Motherwell went into administration during the current SPL format which which came into being -. 1998-1999 season. Aberdeen escaped relegation due to the increase of 10 to 12 teams.
This format was agreed prior to yhe start of the season
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Heard he is talking to Cowdenbeth but cannot be guarnteed first team football. {Ed039's Note - He probably cant commit coz he will be doin sumbodies maw)
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Airdie bought Clydebanks license.. these are SFL laws.. sorry true..not bollox
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No because airdrie took over clydebanks accounts and their history which had already been going for years
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Rangers new turnover in Division 3 will not pay their fixed overheads.
Scottish football ( as a whole) will not survive without Rangers old turnover.
I think it is fair to say both parties need Division 1 to save each other from financial ruin.
Anorak.
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To ED. Airdrie Utd didn't need audited accounts. They bought over another club (Clydebank) and stole their place. Rangers are newco totally!
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Not quite sure what special treatment Motherwell or Aberdeen may hav had in the past. Totally sure tho that they were not liquidated. That may have some reason why most Scottish football fans would like to see your new club start at the bottom. Hbhoy.
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Who is 'Shagger' ? Why is this person called this ? Not being dense. Just asking.
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42 000, 46 000 or 50 000. Does it matter? It's still enough to make a difference. As ed says its about numbers and correct me of I'm wrong but isn't football the people's game? Who would want cove or Spartans before rangers? Unless your a bigot or person full of spite. Or a cove or Spartans fan obviously. If a chairman or honest supporter of a div 3 club chooses One of them over rangers then shut Scottish football tomorrow. Why should several thousand paying fans miss out compared to 500 paying fans? How does that benefit the game? Moronic.
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The only time Celtic fill up is against Gers. Otherwise the average compared to capacity is very similar. Tell me an SPL club who sells out their stadium unless its avderby or against old firm?
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How can you call someone a bigot because they think a club like cove or spartans should have a fair shout at the next opening in the league?
Let them all apply with their business plans and application forma completed.
Full squad of players
Three years accounts
License to play football
Funds to see out the season
All directors/backers named
All cleared as fit and proper
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New clubs start at div 3, rangers were not saved or relegated. This is new club that Is the rules.
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I think the point that was being made although poorly put was that unless you hate rangers with a vengeance how can denying tens of thousands of paying supporters a place in the sfl 3 be a positive thing for Scottish football? No disrespect to cove or Spartans as I'm sure they are decent honest well run clubs but can Scottish football do without the potential income of a Competetive rangers? Honestly? Cos I haven't heard one convincing argument from anyone in the game to convince me otherwise. And that includes those in power at Celtic.
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Can you not get it above post as the guy said 45000 or 46000 or 50000 its all to do with money ,do you think sky would invest in a country were the teams only get 500 at the games .
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To poster "how can you call someone a bigot" are you trying to say the complete anti-rangers campaign that has been going on since Feb is born and driven solely out of a pursuit for sporting integrity - Don' make me laugh - the majority is driven by a hatred for Glasgow Rangers its supporters and for what the club stands for in society.
Gers1986
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Rangers deserve division 3.any othe5 decision will make scottish football even more open to ridicule.its survival of the fittest.clubs like kilmarnock whos basic financial model is based on the presence of the old firm is flawed and they will either have to attract proper fans or find another way because what they are doing just now is not sutainable and its not rangers fault
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To all the smart ar**s banging on about 3 year account - wind your necks in ecause it doesn't make any difference. EVERYONE including our neighours in the eastend wants and need Rangers in the Division 1 - that's why the SFA and the SPL clus are desperate to ride rough-shod over the SFL clubs! the current SKY deal has 12 months to run and they all hope to have Rangers ack in the SPL efore the 'unsigned' five year Sky deal kicks in season 2013-2014. For all the so-called fans of other clus in the SPL - get used to the fact that your own clus idea of 'sporting integrity' only goes far enough to ensure they don't suffer too much. If their 'sporting integrity' positions were asolute, they would ALL e complaining aout the SFA's idea to place us in Division 1. Has anyone heard Messrs. Lawwell, Milne, Petrie or Thompson argue differnt?
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What's the betting if another SPL club goes bust the haters will blame rangers. That'll be a fun argument.
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Motherwell and Abreddeen were not liquidated. Sevco is a brand new footballing club applying for admission to the SFL.
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Ed how long did you research the 3yr account rule for ?
Under Fifa rules you need 3yrs of accounts to join any league governed by Fifa.
This is FACT.
hail hail
Marco1888 {Ed039's Note - So how does a newco get entry to leagues then? Plenty of them have done?)
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07 Jul 2012 11:59:49
The club has this evening received the notice of resolutions to be voted on next Friday and we are told to expect an information pack at some time next week. We hope that this pack will present a more balanced report to SFL member clubs than they have so far received.
At last Tuesday’s meeting, financial information provided by Neil Doncaster showed an unrealistic worst case scenario. It showed the impact of potential total loss of 3 TV contracts, all of which had been inexplicably agreed on the basis that the broadcaster could walk away if either Rangers or Celtic were not in the SPL. His information did not, however, set out the potentially positive impact of negotiating replacement contracts with other broadcasters or alternatively the much mentioned possibility of launching SPL TV (which we understand could have been launched within a matter of months).
Mr Doncaster warned SFL members that if these contracts were indeed lost, this would mean the annual payment to the SFL under the Settlement Agreement would either be greatly reduced or not paid at all. Raith Rovers FC believes this not to be the case, and that the SPL would remain both contractually obliged and able to pay the £1.9m – £2m annual sum, even in that worst case scenario. We call upon the SFL Board to clarify its view on this vital point urgently, before club boards finalise their positions on these important votes.
We are also concerned that there has not as yet been an opportunity for clubs to receive legal advice from the SFL and/or debate the potential consequences on the smooth running of our league in the event that the Courts are asked to annull/strike down any of the corporate transactions that have led to the current position of Sevco Scotland Ltd as owners of certain assets of the Rangers oldco. Indeed, the position as regards the potential sanctions to be applied by the Scottish FA via its Appellate Tribunal has also still to be bottomed out. In summary, we remain concerned that the SPL clubs have overwhelmingly voted to pass on this potential time bomb, which may yet explode once passed to the SFL’s jurisdiction, and we are being asked to accept this new company into membership, worse still in our top division.
Without all of this information, and the opportunity for clubs to further discuss these issues on a fully informed basis amongst themselves before the formal SGM, in a similar format to last Tuesday’s meeting, we are concerned that the fairness and transparency of the process itself is at risk of being compromised.
Raith Rovers FC will consider its stance with regard to attendance at this meeting once we receive the information from the SFL.
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"Courts are asked to annull/strike down any of the corporate transactions that have led to the current position of Sevco Scotland Ltd"
What does this mean? reverse sale?
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Now if Ally hadn't gone shouting "Who are these people" and others had not threatened to torch someones house and their ground things just might not be like this. Looks like a good legal mind behind this.
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It means if BDO decide that the assets were sold to Newco at an unrealistic price, then they can go to court and request that the sale be reversed.
If successful, the assets would be sold on the open market.
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The risk is the assets could be sold separately, this is not a good option
grout
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That's a bad one. If BDO claw back Rangers assets from Sevco then they'll probably go after D&P for negotioating the crap deal in the first place. But then who would step in to but club+assets? Brown? And will that be too late for the start of the season?
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Does this mean that Green etc are not allowed to have Ibrx etc for the price they paid./ Is this the bomb shell that Brown was going to deliver ? And another point have SFA looked at Green and rest directors prospectus and deemed them fit people to run football club in Scotland? Surely the vote this week wont take palce until this matter is sorted or they would be voting something that thye may does not fit the purpouse? any gen ? ed
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THis is the points I have been asking for 6 WEEKS. With 4 weeks till kick off RFC have No league and possibly no financila backing. The facts are Green exists Brown does not and if Green gets bought out SFA must have a due process for a new RFC owner NO WAY enough time for RFC to be able to supply all information needed to even play in DIV 3. The point Green once said "any league SFA put us in IF ANY"
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Utter garbage. Even if genuine, this is simply another example of the rabid hatred which certain members of the Raith board harbour towards The Rangers. There is NO chance whatsoever of BDO attempting to claim back the assets duly and legally purchased by Sevco Scotland Ltd. Start living with reality. The Charles Green consortium own the club - and MUST be given full support if they are to take it forward.
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06 Jul 2012 21:25:48
steven davis has signed for
southhampton on 3 year deal so
much for him want to better
himself!!
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He's in the premier league,give the guy a break
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I'm a saints fan. We are an ambitious club. Any rangers fan able to tell us about him? I know very little. Don't be bitter! Good luck for the future.
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He has joined best league in the world, does not get much better than that.
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Says he is looking for European football.No chance with Southampton unless they win the FA cup
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Yes, I see what you mean, going to a club that plays in one of the best league's in the world, from a club that's got no league status, no team, no money, no direction, etc etc etc, do I need to go on? And for the record, Southampton will probably pay him his full salary!
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I can see saints being up there in a few years good club
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Mmmmmm- EPL or Scottish Div 3 ? Tough choice eh ?
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End of the day davis has been mince for ages now should have sold him last year and i hope the so called rangers fan enjoys the championship cause thats where hes heading
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He has bettered himself. A club with NO debt, in the EPL and probably getting paid more.Can you really compare that with a defunct club, and at best SFL1 football next season. Hohoho. Wisen Up
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Well done steven! But we will sill be in europe before you!
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The man is history like them that left before him the only man left is the only real ranger ally macoist poor ally stood tall while the rest departed the sinking ship ally will be remembered as true legend as the good lady said you can bow to the past you are not bound by it those with the real wealth of rangers showed their real colours and watched a poor figure of a man getting battered from pillar to post sorry to say i dont think you are fit to walk through the doors of a once proud club the famous glasgow rangers
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Premier league . or ramsden cup what would u choose ??
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To the southampton fan hes a cracking player john dunn
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To the Saints fan, I can honestly say I was never Davis' biggest fan. He is a very energetic player who is tidy on the ball. If you needed a defensive midfielder then Davis is not your man, similarly if you were hoping for a goal-scoring midfielder he is not your man, there lies the problem with him.
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Honestly! Ally has stood tall! Really?
I thought he was the manager who should have had the league won by Christmas who threw it away.
In any other team in any other season he would have been sacked. His stance since administration has been laudable but that just papers over the cracks of his poor managerial record.
Even when we had celtic on the rack in the old firm game we threw away a three nil lead to nine men.
Great players don't always make great managers ask Bobby Charlton - Jaxie
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For the record Southampton have immense financial backing. The liebherr family are billionaires. Talk of extending stadium. So don't be fooled. Very ambitious club. Plus if he is as good as he thinks its a great shop window.
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Also I suspect this may have been a factor in cancelling Gers participation in friendly cup next week.
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To go from his boyhood heroes to a relegation battle with a small club like Southampton shows exactly the type of person he is.If he kisses the badge you will know he is looking to move in January.
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Let the badge kissers leave, once everything is settled well still be able to attract better players than the other clubs in Scotland.
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The pre-season friendlies, in Southampton, Le Havre and Germany all had tone cancelled because unless or until Sevco are admitted to SFL and SFA they are effectively not a football club, just a new company who have bought a stadium and what they hope is some sort of right to preferential treatment.
Opposing clubs probably couldn't get insurance for playing and would also be in hot water with their own national associations, FIFA, UEFA, etc if they did so.
Cyril Butchart
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And if you think Lennon is a good manager you are deluded. I could manage an OF team and finish in the top 2.
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Lennon has done nothing to suggest he's a good manager. Won league only because the 10pts advantage, when only a few ahead, gave them confidence and eased any pressure in the remaining dozen fixtures.
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06 Jul 2012 21:05:06
Davis joins Southampton on 3 year deal
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