Rangers Rumours Archive March 08 2018

 

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08 Mar 2018 19:55:03
Honestly don't know what to make of David Murray and his interest in the club?
Still find it hard to forgive and forget over the last 7 years and no matter what we all say Mr Murray was to blame no matter if he says he was duped!



08 Mar 2018 20:37:27
He was also to blame for 9 in a row Laudrup Gazza Souness and Smith



08 Mar 2018 22:08:19
Agree Broxi but putting the club nearly out of business is simply unforgivable and have you forgotten that?



08 Mar 2018 22:15:41
If we had brought in one or two players after we got the nine in a row we could
have made it ten, too many were by their sell by date .
Maybe that's when David Murray realised we were in the rubbish!
Can't fault the guy for his backing but got to query his management .



09 Mar 2018 05:02:55
Pretty sure there was at least 4 signings made after 9 in a row and Walter smith said later on there were too many signings made at once which hurt us. Plus was it not David Holmes who signed souness?



09 Mar 2018 05:09:46
In 1997 we signed Lorenzo amoruso, Marco negri, rino gattuso and jonas thern going for 10 so come on Brian-p



09 Mar 2018 06:45:48
What a load of nonsense, first Murray had a lot on his plate at the time with his other businesses and Rangers owed just £19 million but when you ain't got it you ain't got it so he sold us for £1 to a guy who nearly put us out of the game second we brought in at least 4 QUALITY signings after 9NAR so the first 4 posts are questionable at best.



09 Mar 2018 08:49:21
Arthur Numan, Giovanni Van Bronckhorst, Michael Mols and Ronald De Boer after 9 in a row for a start.



09 Mar 2018 10:13:03
The signings we made in lead up to going for 10 in a row were great signings, problem was 3 of them struggled with injury and Rino was a raw talent and was not the type of player to win us games. If Negri had continued his scoring exploits we would have walked the league.

I hate how Murray's tenure at Ibrox ended but the guy gave most of us the best memories of our lives.



09 Mar 2018 10:57:16
The reason we never won ten in a row was because smith said he was leaving at the end off the season in stead of staying focused on winning the league. And all the players heads went down.



09 Mar 2018 11:23:23
Conveniently missing out a season there, Rick.



09 Mar 2018 11:32:48
Did negri not score 25-30 goals before Jan? It was amazing back then.



09 Mar 2018 12:35:11
Murray had huge pressure put on him by the banks to get rid of Rangers, his metal business was in trouble like a lot of others during the crash, we had £17 mill of debts and had just won the league we were bringing the debt down and still winning, I lived through the glory years and never heard one fan complain, we had player who were world class and those who say Murray didn’t put money in Bollocks he underwrote share issues he funded players through his business empire his heart was in the right place, EBTs were legal at that time and legal advice was sought, I think the mistake was it took us to long to realise the tax man was after the people on EBTs but if Mr Murray wants back in which I still doubt I’d have him with open arms but I think this is just paper talk



09 Mar 2018 16:24:15
Thinkaboutit

Sorry but your wrong about Murray. He borrowed money from the bank using his other businesses as insurance and didn’t put any of his own money into the club like he said he did, he was one of the biggest benefactors of the EBT scheme and also took millions out of the club through various of his businesses getting contracts in the club e. g catering and Steel work. As for the I was duped nonsense he was warned by the then board that Whyte didn’t have the money and was strongly advised not to sell to him ‘tis was ignored and he sold it anyway. The reason that no one complained during the successful years is that he was trusted by the support a trust which he abused. He also had other legal advice regarding the danger of the EBT scheme but chose to ignore it.



09 Mar 2018 18:16:51
Arthur, his money or his companies money or indeed banks, it was him who ultimately sanctioned it. the contracts his companies won went throw bidding processes. add to general recession in steel and collapse of sky tv contract we were in trouble. david murray was forced to sell by the bank, they wanted their money and didn't care if it was the end for rangers



09 Mar 2018 20:01:01
No Murray didn’t care either and sold it to Whyte when he was being told not too. He had always said he would only sell to someone with the clubs interest at heart which clearly wasn’t the case. To make excuses for what he did is pathetic and there was no justification for what he did. Let’s be clear Murray didn’t take that much of a hit with all this and his lifestyle and wealth still remained in tact



09 Mar 2018 21:50:21
Murray is a very shrewd business man and I do agree that wee whitey never duped him at all however Murray did chase a dream and gave us loads of success and memories this shouldn't be forgotten! I personally feel he got in too deep and used wee whitey as an out



09 Mar 2018 22:33:08
Jyf, we have just owed 18 or 19m at the time he sold us but everyone was fully aware of the impending big tax case. To suggest he was duped by Whyte is complete nonsense and if he didn't bother doing his homework on him then that's simply not good enough, the SFA were also to blame there re fit and proper person. Murray knew what was coming and didn't want it happening on his watch. EBTs may have been legal when they used them, but to allow the club to fall into the hands of criminals was unforgivable.



10 Mar 2018 07:05:41
I think Murray is a charlatan yes he gave us many trophy laden years but at what cost our pride our dignity he ran our club in to the ground and played the I was duped card I'm sorry but it's a no from me



10 Mar 2018 10:55:25
When Murray famously said 'For every fiver C#^%ic spend I will spend a tenner' what he meant was Lloyds Bank will spend a tenner. Those years were worth it though.

Not sure going back to him would be the way ahead now though.



08 Mar 2018 15:57:53
Can't see Murty changing it will stick with what he has been going with so far. Wes, tav, Bates, Martin, John, goss, doc, candy, Windass, Murphy and Alfredo unless injury’s can’t see him changing it



08 Mar 2018 20:03:55
Totally agree with that line up but alves will come in if Martin is injured. Right intae them



08 Mar 2018 14:37:08
I posted on here about 7 months ago about david murray wanting to reinvest in the gers. At that point he was trying to broker a deal with 2 saudi business men to buy the club and right the wrongs that he feels that he has done. I got the usual shot down in flames. (The deal fell threw)
Murray has been looking for an oppertunity to get back involved with the famous and from a personal point of view some of my best memories where under him but that aside i feel that we would be crazy to turn any money that he offered down. I feel he is a true rangers man and would have learnt a hard lesson on the mistakes that he made and would hopefully not make them again.



08 Mar 2018 16:21:09
I'll take his cash, but he can get ti!



08 Mar 2018 16:41:04
No true rangers man would of sold us out the way he did.



08 Mar 2018 16:56:40
I feel most of us on here would agree with those sentiments however, many see him as the man who sold us to the first idiot that came along. What followed was unimaginable so I reckon that will be hard to forget and forgive for most of us.



08 Mar 2018 18:38:20
Totally agree with you united kingdom. When david murray was in charge he was brilliant and the players he brought to rangers were unbelievable -laudrup, gasgoigne, numan, albertz, mols to name just a few. The list goes on and on. In my opinion the only thing he done wrong was sell to whyte, and i genuinely feel that has hurt him ever since, and if he could go back there is no doubt he would of done things differently. I feel he wants to try his best to get us back to where we belong and maybe right some wrongs. and he has the resources and the contacts to do it. I would back him 100% and i'm sure the majority of fans would get behind him. RTID



08 Mar 2018 19:51:32
Guy only did what he had to do mate. That’s my experience of business when the bank is driving. They tried to close me down after failing to get £250k from me. I then sold my business for a nice profit within 3 weeks. With no luck I was bankrupt.

Not looking for an argument lads. Guy still must answer some large questions.

Let’s not take the focus off Sunday as we can do it on our own for now.



08 Mar 2018 19:52:04
The deal fell threw?! Supposed to take you seriously? Don't want Murray back anyway. King committed his money and that counts and credit where credit's due.



08 Mar 2018 19:53:43
Murray due to his own financial mess which was out with his control was forced by bankers to sell. He oversaw 9 in a row. I would welcome him back with conditions of proper control.



09 Mar 2018 09:41:24
David Murray duped Whyte and allegedly pointed him down the ticketus route. Whyte had zero personal cash to invest.
Hunt him from Ibrox



09 Mar 2018 10:15:35
Murray like most of us was conned by a man who made out he had Rangers best interest at heart.



09 Mar 2018 11:32:06
Kfraser if u where on here when i orginally posted it i just wrote the deal fell threw in fact it never got started my friend worked for a company that was brokering at deal between murray and 2 Saudi's for steel for oil platforms. When the deal was being discussed the saudi business men where also discussing the possibility of purchasing a football club in the uk the gers and leeds utd and sheffield utd where looked into they decided to go for leeds utd and that deal fell threw as leeds chairman refused to sell mate. plus i don't really care if u believe it or not but Will agree that king has been great for the club.



08 Mar 2018 00:13:37
Just seen a article that said murray is considering investing in our club once again what do fellow fans think of this
for me if he can bring serious money to the table then it should be considered



08 Mar 2018 01:07:53
Something just doesn’t feel right about it.

Im thinking most fans will see passed the short term gain of investment from Murray’s pockets and remember the utter state we were left in because of him.

He sold the club for a pound because he knew the tax case was coming. I blame him for Celtics dominance, he sold our club to Craig Whyte, who was always intending not to pay the players tax and put the club into administration. Murray started he ball rolling.

I say find other investors. Wouldn’t want him involved in decision making if the going gets tough fanancially, end up sold down the river again.



08 Mar 2018 06:46:40
I say jump at it, I promise you there was more to the £1 sale than meets the eye and it was white and green that put us in this position. If you sell your house and the new owners use it for criminal purposes are you in any way responsible? Murray done nothing wrong apart from selling to the wrong person.



08 Mar 2018 06:58:09
Think it's been proven that SDM actually took money out our club the last time he never invested. He also cherry pick the profitable bits of the club and took them. The bit that sticks in my throat was the EBTs he actually took money each year running this now illegal tax dodge, and when caught jumped ship and left us with that imbecile Whyte. The conman Whyte took the blame for years of Murray overspending and personal under investment.



08 Mar 2018 07:18:16
My gut reaction to reading this is that I don’t have any issue with Murray returning, he may carry a heavy burden as to what’s happened over the years and Murray was in the midst of financial Timplosion himself at the time he sold, I think his wealth had shrunk from £700m to under £100m and businesses all across him empire were folding, with a great deal of hindsight he should have became the biggest creditor and then put Rangers into administration like Motherwell did a couple of times etc. Anyway I know many will disagree and not want him near but I’m just going with my gut.



08 Mar 2018 08:25:18
I think at the end of the day David Murray tried his best in the beginning he just let it all get away from him and made a complete balls up of it. I’m sure he feels responsible for what happened. CW didn’t have best intentions at heart, and maybe DM wants to put money back in as a way to start making up for it.



08 Mar 2018 09:45:16
I wouldn’t have a problem with Murray investing because let’s face it guys not one of us complained at the height of our success and like the other poster said it just got completely out of control and I’m sure he is hurting with the way it all ended and the complete shambles that was left, and I’m sure there is no way he’d go down that route again.



08 Mar 2018 09:46:13
sir david murray welcome back if true all the shambles that went on with ebts etc ain't all down to one person anyone who had ebts offerd ebts etc etc accepted ebts etc etc are just as bad as who ever came up with the idea to screw our club over and put it in the mess it is in

I say WELCOME BACK SIR DAVID MURRAY if true



08 Mar 2018 10:06:49
If David Murray is serious about investing in our great club then let him do it through Club 1872 then we can judge his intentions from there.



08 Mar 2018 12:47:09
Whilst I'm sure most would welcome fresh investment I have to agree with BearMode91. I wouldn't welcome Murrays money after the state he left us in.



08 Mar 2018 12:42:13
Murray was a definite chancer. What bits did he Cherry-pick?



08 Mar 2018 12:43:58
I wouldn't trust Murray with a pound of my money.



08 Mar 2018 12:47:31
You can take your money DM and stick it where the sun don't shine, His fault for what he did to our club.



08 Mar 2018 13:40:55
Martin Bain was the one who dealt with player contracts so surely he should some of the blame too



08 Mar 2018 14:46:06
Murray sold Rangers reluctantly as due to the recession his other businesses were struggling Rangers were not the only club to use Tax dodges his millions got us 9 in a row and so many good memories if he wants to invest let him we all deserve a second chance



08 Mar 2018 16:10:56
it was all loans DM used not 1 penny of his own dosh serial liar yes we all enjoyed the 9IAR but we knew nothing of were funding was coming from loans.



08 Mar 2018 16:37:03
Murray started the ball rolling in our downfall. If he hadn't sanctioned these EBT contracts there wouldn't have been Whyte, Green and all the other rubbish that followed. I cannot believe anybody here saying he did nothing wrong? He caused the whole mess for Christ sake!



08 Mar 2018 16:45:52
We went under because craig whyte didn't pay the 9 million odd to the tax man he pocketed it. He didn't have the funds to get us out he lied and murray was so desperate to offload us he didn't do his homework him. We know he's not afraid to put his money where his mouth is and it would certainly ruffle a few feathers across the clyde that's for sure. If he brings serious financial clout again and he has serious backers within his group then why not.



08 Mar 2018 16:50:40
Too many short memories, he should never drag himself near our club again. If he wants to make up for what he done leave a big basket of cash on the door step n away back to the shaddows.



08 Mar 2018 16:51:50
I'm dumbfounded that anyone would consider allowing him anywhere near us again. Yes he gave us some great memories, but the last 6 years would never have happened if wasn't for his gross mismanagement! I don't want Naismith back anymore, but most of you won't forgive him for a misguided press conference that he has since apologised for.

I don't recall Murray making any apologies for what he's put us through! I'm starting to think some of you would sell your grannies for the right price. Given the timing of this 'report' it seems to be an effort to distract, divide us.



08 Mar 2018 17:21:26
I can assure you all that when Murray sold us for £1 he actually saved us. Remember EBTs were legal and politicians were using them.



08 Mar 2018 18:52:43
if murray wants to make amends let him put in 20 mil which dave king did as a concerned fan and have no connection to running the show, that would do for me.



08 Mar 2018 19:54:33
BigMarv82, I'd sell both my grannies and my misses and her grannies and my dog to stop the mhanky mob and get us to 10 in a row lol



09 Mar 2018 15:31:19
As much as the 9 in a row years were amazing, Murray threw us under a bus to save his other businesses. Can't believe for a minute that as a successful business man, Murray allowed himself to be duped/ conned by Whyte.



09 Mar 2018 17:16:09
Struth1872 that's simply not true he was thrown under a bus by lloyds bank and sold us for a pound to someone who said he would pay the bank, which he did using money from ticketus the rest is history, Murray saved us from the banks.



07 Mar 2018 22:12:37
David Bates is going to score on Sunday. I can feel it



08 Mar 2018 06:13:14
And Morelos with a header lol!



08 Mar 2018 09:48:06
Get your cash on josh windass 1st goal don't say never told you all lol well you know who i'm betting lol



08 Mar 2018 11:52:42
I fancy goss to score a free kick



08 Mar 2018 14:42:42
Seems to me we r misunderstanding Murray’s alleged intention. He is apparently looking to buy some shares from whoever. That means money to the seller not rangers.



 
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