28 Apr 2013 17:03:46
Is the Stockbridge story above board regarding the deeds to Ibrox? Hopefully that's a chapter of all this closed but i'm sure someone will correct me. CheltBlue

1.) 28 Apr 2013
? so Sunday Mail can see the deeds - but no-one preparing the IPO can. ?

Transparancy means someone now needs to explain why IPO launched without any view of the DEEDS?

that was madness. and sounds lieka con??

2.) 28 Apr 2013
I think it would be pretty stupid of him and the club to disclose this to the press if it wasn't true.

3.) 28 Apr 2013
So in June last year - Bomber says "show us the deeds".

and they only shown in "April 2013".

what happened between June2012 and April2013, how many times did they change hands. ?

Where is the contract that acquired these deeds - if its bogus - showing the deeds is meaningless.

Did Green tell Bomber that Whyte owned Ibrox. ?

If so bomber walked - but could not prove if true or false.

4.) 28 Apr 2013
It really proves nothing. This argument is all between Sevco 5088 and Sevco Scotland.

5.) 28 Apr 2013
Everyone can have an opinion, at the end of the day though, we will have to wait until the 'TRUTH' outs- hopefully. I do not see any point in 2nd guessing, we can not influence it in any way, so why worry?

6.) 28 Apr 2013
I don't believe for one minute that just because brian stockbridge has claimed to have shown the real title deeds to the 3 main assests of rangers to the journalist of a national newspaper that this is the end of the story at the end of the day its easy to put someone down as an owner of a club but leave the real owners name off the title deeds we know gangsters do it all the time. I just wish everyone associated with charles green buggered off and let rangers minded people into the club people who actually care and are not just in it for a quick buck.

7.) 28 Apr 2013
That rather is the point: That Sevco Scotland acquired MP & Ibrox was not disputed by Whyte. What Whyte is disputing is whether Sevco Scotland acquired the property of Sevco 5088 LEGALLY or FRAUDULENTLY.
Under the adminsitration sale agreement, Sevco 5088 agreed to purchase the assets. Whye claims to be the beneficial owner & director of Sevco 5088. If this is true and Green used chicanery to transfer the assets from Sevo 5088 to Sevco Scotland, without a proper board meeting and in the interests of the shareholders of sevco 5088 (& Whyte claims to be one), then this asset transfer may have been illegal.

If the title to that assets was acquired fraudulently, the register can be amended and the title can be reversed.

This Speculation: But one reason why Green may not have wanted to show the title deeds before now is that Craig Whyte may still have believed that the assets were still with Sevco 5088, and the Sevco Scotland was a vehicle for the club only and that Green was keeping his (taped) promises. If Green had shown the title deeds before now, whilst the fans might have been reassured that the property was with the club, Whyte would have immediately known that Green had double crossed him, and would have come out from hiding with his tapes etc. there and then, whilst Green was trying to orchestrate the share floatation. How many bears & other investors would have bought shares if Whyte had been banging this drum 6 months ago instead of now? Without the share placement, Green & Ahamd wouldn't have got their payday.

But since Whyte is now pressing ahead with his legal action in any case, it looks like they have nothing to lose by producing the deeds that show Whyte he has been double crossed.
And - if my suspicions are corect - it gives them the bonus of another opportunity to fleece the bears: "look we had them all along - now pony up for your season books!"

But whether the properties will REMAIN with SEVCO Scotland will depend on whether Whyte is successful in proving to a court that Green transferred them illegally. He might just do that! There are no guarantees.

In reality, this changes little, if anything now. Whereas, 6 months ago, it could have blown the gaff apart!

8.) 28 Apr 2013
How come we didn't see any extracts from the deeds or the name of who owns them. If they had nothing to hide they could of shown them long before now. How come they show them to the sunday mail first rather than the fans groups or shareholders. It still doesn't account for substantial wages Ally is getting for doing a shambolic job in a division full of amatuers. Are we seriously going to believe that Ally or Walter haven't seen them

9.) 28 Apr 2013
Unfortunatly this whole thing will be going on for a bit longer, all it means is that the deeds will be in name of what ever company Charles Green and Co put them in after "lying " to the other liar Whyte, Sevco Scotland Ltd or The Rangers Football Club Ltd
Nothing changes in other words, the whole sorry mess moves on until Whyte etc get an offer or there is a court case? More worrying may be that Green was the sole director when he moved assets over so technically he owns them at moment not our club?
As for Stockbridge? he came with Green, so are we now to believe he is no longer in their camp? or is he, as was said many months ago the main player for getting money back for a. n. other?
I will not be be renewing my season ticket until the whole lot are away? hate to think what's the price of my shares on Monday afternoon?
Can only see shares value dropping.
As for Mr Mcoist I can only feel sympathy for his constant lack of "backbone" his recent statement in regards to John Browns warnings are to say the least appalling. "i didn't get the impression he was expecting me to do something about it, he was just marking my card" thank god I don't have you as a mate you slippy get! "i prefer to do my fighting form the inside (where I cash loads of money) rather than outside? and why oh bloody why does Mcoist keep mentioning Walter all the time when he is talking about our club its like he needs the name to bolster his own moral . slimy person,, your the worst manager we have ever had and you surely have no remorse of just what kind of person you have become. You lie Mr Mcoist and you know it? how you can work with all these differnet men who are robbing our club and still say you know nothing is beyond belief.

10.) 29 Apr 2013
You have to ask why not pictures of the deeds if all above board, if they can let msm see them why not the rest of us, is it me or is it a bit strange, show them to jabbas mate

11.) 29 Apr 2013
29 Apr 2013 07:50:04
That was all a bit much m8, are you sure you support rangers? ally is still a legend to most of us, as is walter, I hope your wrong on a few things, but I know you are on one thing, Ally Mcoist is one of the main reasons we survived, good or bad manager? well we have to w8 and see, don't we? he won the league, i'm not saying he is good bad or indifferent, and he wasnt my choice as boss (it was davies ) but he did all that we required at the time Tommyblue

12.) 29 Apr 2013
Perhaps the deeds are in Imran's mum's name! that's why we could not see them

13.) 29 Apr 2013
He needs to show the titles to the deeds with legal owners backed up by a law firm certifying its true.
If he doesn't do it, he has been a liar and should go.
Is this the clever trick to allow Stockbridge out the door with Green and Ahmad?

14.) 29 Apr 2013
CW can never own the assets even if he proves CG ripped him off, he never paid 5.5 million for them. He is suing Sevco 5088 ( not Sevco Scotland) for breaching an agreement whereby he was entitled to an agreed share in the company, and we must assume the money deposited into another account was to pay for his share.
Since Sevco 5088 owns nothing he will sue CG and Ahmad for his estimated share. The only connection to Sevco (Scotland) is CG and Ahmad own some shares in the company which have a value, a value that CW can use to calculate his losses.

If CW has a tape confirming his agreement applied to both a CVA and Liquidation outcome then he will win, and CG and Ahmad will be forced to pay him his losses, whether they need to sell their shares in Sevco ( Scotland) or not to pay CW is irrelevant to Rangers.

I wish to point out Rangers fans neither selected nor voted either CW or CG to run their club, and bear no responsibility for their actions. They supported SDM and he fell foul of the economic crash, a sustainable overdraft became an unsustainable overdraft, without this achilles heel Rangers would not have been a risk to SDM.

15.) 30 Apr 2013
Bomber didn't state anything new, everyone knew CG had to get CW's shares for a CVA and had to offer him something.
It would have been news if Sevco 5088 had bought the assets with 5.5 million of CW's money and CG had switched the assets to Sevco ( Scotland), but he didn't pay 5.5 million for the assets.