04 Sep 2023 14:27:30
Copland5, Iheard, ibrox 4 me or anyone
Have u guys picked up we can terminate Beale contract within a year off appointment with 500k pay off.
If true Wilson should get a knighthood.
1.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 14:43:11
John ? clearly not good enough
And for once please rangers go with a manager that has plenty of experience.
2.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 14:45:09
News to me John. Would be a sensible clause in any managerial appointment nowadays. You think there is legs in that? Would the Board act?
3.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 14:58:18
We’re on a break so do it now not later now please ?.
4.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 15:01:02
Ibrox it makes a lot of sense after Gio, who actually negotiated a pay off and not the full payment he could have pushed for
It would equate to six months of Beale salary
If it was true board May act giving he was not bennet choice.
5.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 15:27:50
Very much doubt the board would act anyway. Think he’ll be here til January at least. He has to win league cup, qualify out of the group in Europe and be no further behind Celtic in the league at the very least to keep his job at January.
6.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 15:37:30
Hope you’re right John.
7.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 15:49:31
If, and it's a big if, Beale was sacked who would we want guys?
Also, if anyone knows, who was Bennets choice if it wasn't Beale?
8.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 15:50:37
If indeed this clause is there surely the board will act you can all hear what the supporters think at FT on Sunday and once you loose the support it’s very difficult to win them back, so if the board don’t act now and the clause passes and performances don’t improve it’s only going to get worse I’m old enough to have sat inside Ibrox with 15000 at the game punters voted with their feet and I fear it will happen again, I’m not in favour of changing managers to often but I’ve said on here before the style of football we are watching is boring I was brought up watching wingers entertaining the fans this depending on full backs to create width is not for me our full backs are not good enough for that as we give the ball away to often exposing our CBs we need to sort our defence out it’s our week link.
9.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:05:22
Jesus John, I don’t think I’ve been this excited by rumour in the last 10 years. Please let this be true and please let the board act now.
10.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:06:30
Not heard anything about this John. Thanks for sharing regardless.
11.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:08:10
If that is the case he is gone. why would we wait any longer.
12.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:09:54
Afternoon all! If this info is true John the. It is a very astute price of business by Wilson. I agree this day and age we should be looking at clauses like this or rolling contracts going forward especially for untested managerial appointments.
13.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:10:05
“we need to sort our defence out it’s our week link. ” - One could argue that our full-backs are our biggest attacking threat. The two highest all-time scorers currently at the club are James Tavernier and Borna Barisic. The amount of goals they create is just as impressive.
Our attacking full-backs is one of the few aspect of our team that actually works well. If we remove that we’re will the attacking impetus come from? Will Stirling drive us up the pitch? How bad and unexciting will the football be then?
People constantly complain about Tavernier but as soon as Stirling goes in there watch the script flip. People will express constant frustration at the lack of attacking ability because, after all, we dominate the vast majority of the games we play.
14.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:20:36
Made my day john as you are not someone to put that out there without a degree of substances. Nothing against beale but he's out of his depth anyone of us would take the job amd be in the same state. I don't think he's the kind of man who'd know when to walk away so a wee push is needed.
15.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:26:58
Fingers crossed it’s true and they trigger the guy is never a rangers manager.
16.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:29:15
just imagine he turned it around and won the league and got a decent run in Europa HAHAHAHAHA.
17.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:33:53
If ever there was a rumour we hope is true, surely it has to be this one. the man is a charlatan and has talked himself into this job.
18.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:35:57
The fact that our full backs are our biggest attacking threat is part of the problem.
Beale did not address or poor defence but spent the money on improving our attacking threat.
Now we have no attacking threat and our defence is still hopeless.
19.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:51:47
Verdun we buy a front line that will do the task. We allow someone else to take penalties. Honestly take away your full backs where’s your threat. That your argument.
20.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:55:50
Celtic are only one or two results away from a league winning points gap. If we try to change manager and backroom staff now, less than a week after the transfer window has closed, the disruption could hand Celtic the title. The most logical and pragmatic thing to do is stick with the man we have and see if he delivers. If a change needs to be made do it next summer.
If a new manager is brought in now you’ll all want him sacked by the time the end of the season comes anyway because Celtic won. People will say that's not the case, but it is. When Pedro came in Rangers we’re 20 points behind Celtic and everyone said he would be judged on next season. But by the time the summer came the movement to have him sacked was already in full swing. One bad result the following season and we’re ripping everything up and starting all over again. Round and round we go….
21.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 17:06:04
He was appointed in November from what I remember so I guess we don't have a lot of time to decide assuming the rumour is true however since talk on the Forum has been Christmas, November still gives him plenty of time to prove that he has what it takes and not too far away from January to give his replacement an opportunity to bring in defensive recruits come January.
Although I wasn't Wilson's biggest fan in terms of player recruitment he certainly could not be criticised for his ability to secure a good result in outgoing transfers and given that he most likely knew that Bisgrove and Bennett were taking over the Top Jobs in the Club I can definitely believe that such a clause would be inserted in Beale's contract and Beale is such an arrogant character that he would probably have gone with it.
I live in hope!
22.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 17:24:57
Posted this earlier don't see it, I would talk to G Potter and Billy Reid now just to see if they were at all interested.
If Potter isn't I would like to see Billy as chief scout .
23.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 17:27:10
Ally mc I’d be delighted for the club and fans.
24.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 17:27:48
Verdant
How bad and unexciting will the football be then?
Are you serious our play is bad and not exciting since he came in bar 3 games and one them didn’t matter.
25.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 17:28:13
I was unsure of Beales appointemnt, but fully prepared to back him when he came, and to be fair he did well in that first part season. We have recruited some good players this summer and most of us were very excited about seeing the team come off the blocks flying, kaboom. The last two games have seriously dented moral but I believe that we have to give Beale a chance to show what his new squad can do. The alternative is to replace him with yet another manager working with someone elses squad, and then spit the dummy out if it doesn't suddenly work. I think we need to Give Beale to Christmas and pray he has us in the mix on all fronts.
26.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 18:03:09
AllyMc62 hitting the caps lock with an axe and laughing will damage your equipment.
27.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 18:08:17
John, this is a rumour which I hope is true. Beale has to go, Simply not good enough.
28.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 18:13:46
Verdant ; that is my point our full backs are pushing up the park and if the ball is lost there are huge gaps left behind then either a midfielder or a defender are pulled over to plug that gap, I sit in the Sandy Jardine rear and look down on the pitch you can see teams playing balls into that spaces so our defence is weak, if we’re going to play that way I’d rather see a back three to help cover we give the ball away to often.
29.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 18:16:08
Verdant I'll give you your dues, your relentless in defending these performances.
30.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 18:16:39
BizzmyBrox, what good players have we recruited this summer? Butland yes, Dessers, Lammers and Sima have been hopeless . Cifuentes may be good but not in the role he is playing, Danilo can`t get a start and Sterling, Balogun and Dowell are bench warmers . We only signed one player ( Cifuentes) who was doing anything at their previous clubs and we are seeing why .
31.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 18:30:44
Don’t you want beale to stay john?
32.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 18:42:46
There was a lot of excitement on this very forum to most of these players arriving, I say give them a chance.
33.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 19:05:40
If Beale gets sacked I want Kevin Muscat in.
34.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 19:14:52
Twacoos - I’ve been watching Tavernier and Barisic for many years, mate. I know exactly what they bring. We need their ability to go forward and create and score goals. Without our attacking full-backs there would be no width, or attack to speak of.
When we get attackers who are banging them in from all angles then we can talk about swapping out the attacking full-backs for defensive ones. Until then, it’s not going to happen. The attacking full-backs are far too valuable going forward; especially in Scotland where we dominate possession and need full-backs who are good on the ball. Tavernier and Barisic contribute 30+ goals and assists a season. Do they cost us 30+ goals a season? No. Our fullbacks do a lot more god than bad.
Also, put Sterling in there at RB and see how long it takes for 50k fans at Ibrox to get frustrated at the fact he's not getting up the pitch as much, his delivery is poor, etc.
35.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 19:30:02
As bad as it is how bad is it?
Ok out CL and trail them by 4 points
Beale can turn this around
This break has came at the right time
The players signed some have showed up some better than others, it’s a settled 11 we need
I’m going to keep positive despite poor results and performances.
36.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 19:32:35
I’m not against relieving MB of his duties ASAP.
I’m all for standing by managers and think Gio deserved to be given more time but that’s history now.
It’s very difficult to defend MB based on the performances I’ve witnessed this season and I just can’t work out what the playing style or football identity of our club is.
John do you have any info that we’re any closer to appointing a DOF as I was led to believe part of his brief would be to oversee all the age groups so that they all approach training and games with a view to playing with the same style and identity that the first team do in order to make it easier for them to develop through the age groups.
I’m sure I recall someone from the board stating that having a Rangers identity and playing style would lead to less disruption when first team managers are moved on and lead to more seamless transition.
I’m asking because as we don’t have a clear playing style at the moment has this idea been binned or am I mistaken altogether.
37.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 19:44:09
Verdant we didn't need them for years before they were here there is always someone else
It's just finding them
People are right Tav and goldson think they are undroppable and have no reason to work on Thier game Tav is the same player that got slaughtered by Anthony stokes and people still expect him to be able to defend against better players it's baffling ?.
38.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 20:21:41
We have to sack Beale NOW and go all out and get Graham Potter. A top class manager who done very well with Brighton and plays attractive football. After Chelsea he is looking to rebuild his reputation and I feel we are a great suit for him. Bring him in with Billy Reid as he knows the SPL very well from his time with Hamilton Accies.
39.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 20:30:44
The man can't work out 3 at the back and he's had plenty time to do so also playing a guy at left back who would have fallen on his arse if he tried to use his left leg was ridiculous, jeez even Ralston was made to look good later on and that's near impossible.
Whatever gobskitter Rodgers say's his CB's were diddies and we could do nothing against them.
The biggest nonsense however is not starting Danilo, did he sign him because something ain't right there. Regular with Dutch champs and Mick sits him on the bench .
40.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 20:41:22
I don't think a Rangers manager survices a fan reaction like that ibrox, kilmarnock away was bad enough, the way people were talking about him in the stands was shocking then, ibrox on sunday was as bad as i can remember, possibly big ecks final couple of games.
41.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 20:42:59
I think we need someone with experience of the league and knows what the club is about.
42.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 20:51:49
Gazgers I said that earlier, Potter has worked in Sweden so Scotland shouldn't worry him, Billy Reid has spotted many players here and with Brighton it's ideal if it can be done, both not attached to clubs at present . They made a mistake going to Chelsea everyone does.
43.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 21:10:18
Really hope that is true and the board act over the international break, in my eyes this is different from Gio as he at least had some successes to point to for some credit in the bank with supporters. This guy has given us nothing to suggest that he is the man for the job.
He has failed in every remotely important game for the club, the playing style is completely non existent and he is incapable of making a tactical tweak or substitute to change a game that's slipping away from us. The forwards that he has brought in have decent goalscoring records elsewhere and i don't believe that they have became bad players almost overnight since joining rangers, a decent manager with experience will get that forward line scoring i'm confident of that. Do the right thing rangers and get shot of this pretender while we are still in all 3 competitions.
44.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 21:24:19
On top of my last post i said at the time we hired him that i didn't like how he conducted himself when Gio was toiling towards the end, hovering about ibrox like a bad smell hoping people would notice him. Not how a rangers manager conducts himself at all or any decent human for that matter, guy is a total con man. Get rid.
45.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 21:40:45
If true what we waiting for! He’s lost the plot!
46.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 22:59:19
Hagi, Colak and Sakala might have improved that side. oh and Lowry too .
Phone Gerrard and negotiate a job lot, Dessers, Lammers, Matondo, Sterling, Sima and another dumpling I can't mind the now . Very good price to you Stevie. oh aye Lundstram and that's his fault anyway.
47.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 23:04:11
Let's not forget this guy was after players that clubs like Swansea don't want, that's insulting.
48.) 05 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 23:25:22
The job won’t interest Potter, Billy would def try and persuade him though. They will be back in a prem league job very soon I reckon. on a side note Potter plays a system not too dissimilar to Beale albeit with 3 at the back and with width coming from his FB’s and a box of 4 with 1 CF. He doesn’t use wingers but has rotations like what Beale is trying to implement. He’s def not an attacking pressing coach imho.
49.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 00:06:56
Nice one man! Xx.
50.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 00:41:23
I entered this season with nothing but competition! Now? I’m absolutely done! Struggling! I am actually lost for words right now xx.
51.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 06:02:24
Verdant a blind man could see after a couple of games we had made a horrendous error with Pedro, so no wonder we were wanting him out that summer but no we kept him on and the rest i'd history, we kept GVB to long last year as well, keeping him opened up a gap we couldn't close and we run the same risk this year with Beale.
52.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 06:39:16
Honestly don't think potter is a great choice for us. He doesn't play much different to how we try to play ATM. His team's sit deep and defend in a 532 and then in position it turns into a 3421 two 10s.
When Chelsea started to struggle he panicked and went to a 433 and things just got worse.
He's a great manager and certainly his short Chelsea tenure shouldn't tarnish his career but to come here right after that Chelsea gig and when fans see us not change style. It would become toxic quick.
Personally don't think Beale gets sacked but regardless what happens we need so much more from our midfield as it's been non existent outside the first half of the PSV game this season.
{Ed001's Note - none of that is true about Potter. He plays multiple formations and changes them within games as well. And he doesn't usually sit deep and defend, that was the problem at Chelsea as the team had been drilled to do that and he wanted them to push up higher.}
53.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 07:51:25
John, surprised at you, what happened to “thick and thin”.
54.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 07:56:08
I'm not a Beale fan and never really was from the start as I never believed we played much different than under Gio. but if this rumour is true then how does this look to potential new managers? We seem to be turning into an Abramovich Chelsea (without the money) sacking managers every 6 months or so when its not working. We need to actual see a project through and give a manager time to build and sadly maybe sacrifice a season or 2. Or we need to burst the bank and literally get a manager in give him like £40million and take a huge risk to make the champions league a few seasons in a row.
55.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 08:17:15
Potter and Reid are a team, Billy would fancy Rangers so ask the question, Ostersund, Swansea and Brighton ain't Glasgow Rangers and Potter went to them taking Billy to all of them.
56.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 08:40:39
Even with £40m, what good players are going to come to play in Scotland? When they can double their money elsewhere.
No actually plays for the jersey.
57.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 09:15:44
All I am going to say is be careful what you wish for. Nobody has come up with a replacement who in my opinion will be any better than Beale. Potter had a good track record at small clubs but got his fingers burnt when he went to a big club. Seen some folk mentioning Lampard which hopefully is a joke. And gimme a break if you are thinking about Sam Allardyce! The likes of Muscat, untried at any decent level. I can't see any decent candidate at the moment.
58.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 09:47:46
Brighton are not a small club now and Potter/ Reid made them a big club, it was miraculous . Ostersund were a tiny club in a low division and the same guys lifted them to respectability in European competition. Not a decent candidate? is it Jesus you want? Many have failed at Chelsea and many more will also fail.
59.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 09:49:09
What’s wrong with big Sam do the bouncy?
60.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 10:02:52
Bankie what do you mean, I’m reporting a rumour, where do I suggest I want him sacked, not once have I said change the manager.
I would keep him till at least next season, probably at least two years.
61.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 11:05:07
In response to the above nonsense, Brighton have become a big club since Potter left. Undeniable fact. Big Sam is a fire fighting mercenary who has dinosaur type views on football, 100% not what we need right now. And back to Davie, Jesus died 2000 years ago, he never managed a football team, so no I don't want him to be our manager. Any other ridiculous suggestions you would like to put forward?
62.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 11:26:32
Beale should be given the year to win the league, as should any managerial appointment. He knows what it takes, and has proven he can take a team on a run of consecutive victories in the SPL. The early signs and performances this season aren’t good, that I agree with, but what guarantee is there by changing the manager at this stage? We will still have the same group of players that the majority of people on this page were raving about just weeks ago. 4 points behind and 6 points from 12 is a terrible start, but it was clear the manager hasn’t found his best 11/ 14, and trying to find solutions within games, which inevitably is costly. I, though in the majority support Beale up until the next OF game……. If we fall further behind in the league, game over and he should do the honourable thing and resign.
63.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 11:30:32
Exactly the reason big dam would be a good option IF we wanted to get rid of Beale. His experience of coming into a club at short notice, organising the defence and grinding out results would be exactly what we need to steady the ship. The quality of football becomes secondary in importance if we are winning. The reasons u give for not wanting Sam are the reasons he would be an excellent appointment.
Fire fighting mercenary?
I suppose all other managers just come to rangers for their live of the club?
Please!
Fite fighting is exactly what we need.
64.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 11:34:54
Personally I would keep Beale till next transfer window at least. We were robbed of a perfectly good goal, and it was the opening goal which is crucial in these games as only twice in the past 60 has the team opening the scoring lost the game. We shouldn’t just accept it and say well we still had time to turn it around as over the 90 there wasn’t much in it when all the pressure and expectations was on Rangers.
I’m not saying it’s acceptable but I don’t think it makes sense to sack him and bring in someone else to work with his players.
Can he win league cup? Can he qualify out of Europa Group? Can he close gap in league? These questions are yet to be answered and if the answer is no to any of these questions then pull the trigger but not now.
65.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 12:39:45
We want to give Wilson a Knighthood for being able to sack Beale with minimum compensation . He picked the guy in the first place and if he is deemed sackable after less than a year then that was a bad mistake by Wilson . His second, having appointed GVB and then sacking him after a year or so, that's without talking about the players he brought in that have either left again or simply can`t get into the first team . Forest are welcome to him .
66.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 12:49:20
Verdant is Michael Beale. Defending in indefensible. Honestly, mate take off the blue tints. He is utterly out his depth, the longer he stays the more damage he will do. He needs relieved now, not when (and it will be) it's worse. 88% of fans on this site want him gone. The horse is dead mate you can stop flogging it.
67.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 15:54:13
Wslgers4ever, how do you know that it was Wilson that picked Michael Beale. Parks was still dictating things was he not when Beale was appointed.