30 Jan 2014 18:47:54
deeds rumour - I see this thread kicked off again. But who on this site believes RFC have the deeds and can credibly explain why neither Ibrox or Murray Park have been renamed for the desprately needed cash. for this reason I don't thin RFC do have the deeds. and then of course the whole share issue goes down the swanny as fraudulant

1.) 30 Jan 2014
Op think it's mostly anti rangers bloggers who hope this fiction to be true

But There are some of the conspiracy theorists, some on here, saying someone (Murray, whyte, etc) actually owns Ibrox

So they (whoever it is) just let rangers use it as they wish and for free, get a grip on reality the lot of ye!

Far too many on here believe what the DR or other anti rangers journos and bloggers write, is the truth, they were all blown oot the water with the BTC after all the lies they published

JG

2.) 30 Jan 2014
30 Jan 2014 20:08:44
Whyte would have to prove he was owed anything from any part he played in the Sevco5088 transaction to have a sniff of the deeds. Sevco5088 took over the deeds - which was then changed to Sevco Scotland by Green. which is now Rangers football club ltd.

So the club has the deeds to Ibrox and Murray park. but Whytes involvment in the D&P / Sevco transaction could cause an issue if Whyte ever decides to go to court.

{Ed039's Note - if he has any claim, remember Green claims to have "shafted" him on this one)

3.) 30 Jan 2014
Why is ibrox still called ibrox, why is Murray park still called Murray park simple answer is the people that run the club don't have the authority to sell the naming rights. Anyone who disagrees please explain why when the club is hemreging money the naming rights have not been sold even on a yearly basis to raise some cash, surely that's a no brainier money for nothing

4.) 30 Jan 2014
Scotty your wrong sevco 5088 never took over any assets or anything to do with the rangers fc
That's basic stuff and well known that sevco Scotland later to become TRFCLtd took over the assets of rangers fc for 5. 5 m

JG

5.) 31 Jan 2014
@4, jg. duff and phelps stated that all assets, history, etc, had been transferred to sevco 5088. it was also confirmed by green in an stv interview. why would they transfer it to sevco scotland who were NOT the preferred bidder?

6.) 31 Jan 2014
David Murray is known throughout the business world as being a very tough operator, and very shrewd, Craig whyte was put in place by murray, he then sanctioned the other toerag Green to be Whytes front man, its all as plain as the nose on your face. no name changes to ibrox or murray park simply because the Owner David Murray will not allow it.

7.) 31 Jan 2014
Green only shafted the stupid fans into buying season tickets, he never shafted whyte, if the truth be told Murray has shafted everyone.

8.) 31 Jan 2014
Just a credible answer on why naming rights haven't been sold - its not an anti rangers bias - the money is needed and Green mentioned it from the word go - Mike Ashley/JJB sports etc etc.

9.) 31 Jan 2014
I think the fact that Ibrox HASN'T been renamed is a good sign that the club still owns it. Anyone who bought it as an investment would want to monetise it as soon as possible - and that hasn't happened.

10.) 31 Jan 2014
@4 D&P had exclusive deal to sell assets to Sevco 5088, who then transfered without compensation (yeah right!) to Sevco Scotland.

Green claimed to be only director of Sevco 5088 at time, but Companies House have revoked Greens forms - and now only Whyte and Eadie are shown as directors of 5088 at time of transfer.

So whytes claim is that Green illegally moved assets from 5088 to Sevco Scotland, and then had IPO to sell on assets which he did not own.

Its murky as hell, and who knows, this appears to be why whyte claims ownership of assets in first place.

Issue is does he have assets to fund legal fight.

He owes ticketus £18m - and if he owns ibrox he can had it over and still be in the money.

Green said lots JG and you seem to have swallowed most of it in the IPO.

common con is to sell something you don't own.

11.) 31 Jan 2014
Sammy - you have cracked the case

If you believe that the admission document is fradulent, then give the fraud squad a wee ring, i'm sure they would take up your complaint especially as it is an open and shut case, then call in the LSE as well

Only one problem, Sevco Scotland bought the assets and changed their name to The Rangers Football Club ltd, the certificate was issued on 31 july 2012 to that effect

JG

12.) 31 Jan 2014
Rangers must be aware of the speculation and rumours which are flying around about who owns the deeds. The fact that they haven't produced them to prove they actually own them would to me imply that they know that they don't.

13.) 31 Jan 2014
Listen if you all are concerned who owns the deeds, boycott till you at least get an answer. simple

14.) 31 Jan 2014
JG. don't understand issue with admission doc being fraudlent (what do you know that we don't. )?

But companies house shows that Green could not have transferred assets from Secvo 5088 to Sevco Scotland as he did not have the right to.

D&P stated they had exclusive agreement with Sevco 5088. so how did they sell to Sevco Scotland?

Rangers Minutes state that Sevco 5088 transferred assets.

So it does not add up, and Greens con of Whyte appears dubious in the least.

I note Green long gone. odd that. departing scene. odd that.

Its not illegal to sell and asset you don't own, if you state in IPO prospectus that there is doubt over deeds (RiFC IPO does this) and state that someone makes claim on it (RiFC IPO does this).

Question is who owns ibrox.

time will tell. Am sure whyte looking for quick deal, given he owes ticketus £18m.

Your "fans buy ipo shares" will save Rfc. continues to look dodgy. if whyte owns ibrox, IPO shares are worthless

Shares fallen from 90p to 20p. odd that doubt about deed ownership will do that. !