25 Jan 2015 17:43:46
I strongly believe Celtic should in an official statement acknowledge we are the same club as defined by Lord Nimmos findings and Neil Doncasters reaffirming. And to make it clear that the views of the fans who paid for that advert are not the official view of the club. If not Vince Lumney should serve them notice of complaint.

{Ed039's Note - Thats not going to happen)

1.) 25 Jan 2015
Water off a duck's back. Let them get uptight about it if they want. Never take fans of DIGNITY F. C seriously. A few of them over last few years like to think they have a moral high ground. Don't mention the biscuit tin mentality, of course that was not fraud lol.

2.) 25 Jan 2015
It's called an obsession, I'm sure the 3 grand it cost would be better served going to a worthy charity. How pathetic do the think it makes their club look.

{Ed039's Note - Or season tickets?)

3.) 25 Jan 2015
Is there not a law in the SFA rules to prevent clubs going into liquidation and coming back saying they are the same club with the same history, sure I'm right. so, not the same club

{Ed039's Note - Can you quote me this law Gary?? It seems to me that the same SFA have said otherwise unless I am saying otherwise. I am not saying what happened is right, but it has happened and probably sets a dangerous precedent (ala Fiorentina) but its the lawmakers in the game and the country who have confirmed it Gary so get over it)

4.) 25 Jan 2015
I did actually see a draft of the advert a few weeks back which had the official Celtic logo on it, obviously without permission.

From memory the Advertising Standards Authority backed Rangers as the same club before after complaints from Celtic fans. I would guess a few complaints will be sent to them from our side this time round.

{Ed039's Note - ASA wouldnt be able to do anything about it, it was a group of individuals who took out the advert, not anybody officially associated with anybody. If asked any questions Celtic will distance themselves from it)

5.) 25 Jan 2015
I would like to see if the same deluded and pathetic dhims that took out the newspaper ad would please address every club that no longer exists such as Motherwell, Dundee, Portsmouth, Livingston etc etc. by taking out 3k ads for them also? No I don't think so.

These clubs and Rangers are regarded by everyone in football from fans to authorities to governing bodies and in fact the Law in Scotland as the SAME football clubs simple and a fact. The only people that think the opposite are the celtic 'fans' that are clinging to this hope as it is the ONLY way EVER they will beat the more successful the team in Scotland and in the World. Glasgow Rangers.

I love the fact they show themselves up in such a sad and frankly embarassing way it is a clear indication that the do regard as as a threat and fear the day we retake our rightful place as Scotlands true champions, the one and only and legally defined as still Glasgow Rangers FC.

If they really thought this was no longer Rangers they would not care and they would not turn up for the huge sell out that will be this Sundays game they certainly wouldn't be offering fortunes for tickets to see a novelty game against an alledged 'new' team lolol

RTID 54 and 55 coming soon

i am george

6.) 25 Jan 2015
George, your argument is completely invalid. All those teams were never liquidated, teetered on the brink yes, but never liquidated.

{Ed039's Note - Correct, Fiorentina were right enough, they are still the same club as well, dangerous precendent been set for a few different clubs over the years)

7.) 25 Jan 2015
To ed. I don't exactly where you find a copy of the SFA rules your I will keep looking. while googling for it came across this in scotzine at the time rangers went into liquidation
Rangers football club consigned to history, the titles will not transfer over
Some people think Celtic football and athletic company1888 ended under mccanns tenure, however it became a subsidiary of Celtic plc. the club was rebranded and named Celtic FC plc, but Celtic never ever entered administration or liquidation it was just rebranding the name unlike the rangers saga. rfc 1872 whose timeline started in 1872 and ended in 2012.
Scottish football has had a number of clubs that have ended up the same way as rangers, going into liquidation and coming back as a newco. airdrieonians, Gretna, Clydebank, and third Lanark. third Lanark went into liquidation in 1967 and has only emerged in Scottish football in the last few years, but the hi hi, s cannot lay claim to the 15 trophies won by their forebearers, likewise Clydebank formed in 1965' went into liquidation. In 2002 saw their history wiped out. and consigned to the history books, while they saw their registration being bought over by airdrie united under jim Ballantine after the lanarkshires previous namesakes airdrieonians went bust. neither airdrie united or Clydebank lay claim to the titles of their forebearers. neither do gretna2008 whose previous namesakes Gretna football club were liquidated in 2008 and reborn as Gretna FC 2008 ltd.
Of these clubs that went into liquidation a total of 18 major trophies have been consigned to the history books and have been honourably laid to rest along with the defunct clubs.

So what makes rangers different? They aren't
They may have won significantly more trophies than the clubs listed above, they may have had a long and successful history but that has all ended in 2012 whether they like it or not.
The rangers football club has now been reborn, June 2012 Is the formation date of the newco and it currently holds no titles and no honours. the 54 titles, 33 Scottish cups, 27league cups, and the European cup winners cup are not the property of the rangers football club 2012, despite what Charles green, duff and phelps or ally mccoist peddle to the press. they now belong to the defunct rangers football club 1872. Alex ray commented at the time in the daily record. " we can now say that 140 years of history have been effectively come to an end".
I will keep looking for the actual rules because I know you can access them but I just don't no where yet but I will find them and get the said rule I mentioned

{Ed039's Note - Airdrie are now officially allowed to lay claim to Airdrieonians name and history - see the following link http://www.airdriefc.com/history and Clydebank Juniors do claim the history of Clydebank FC - again please see the following link http://www.clydebankfc.co.uk/web/club_honours.php also see following link on Fiorentina http://en.violachannel.tv/history-fiorentina.html - I am glad you brought up "Scotzine" - here is their description of themselves on their own website "team of contributors from freelance journalists, student journalists, bloggers and fans" - I really enjoy their work and think they do a fantastic job, but I wont be taking their word over Lord Smith and Neil Doncaster on official football rulings anytime soon. No disrespect at all intended to them whatsoever)

8.) 25 Jan 2015
25 Jan 2015 20:40:48
Have to pull you up on a few things Ed. The problem is that the SFA have not come out and clarified nor have the legal system but I wouldn't expect them to.

{Ed039's Note - I dont think you will find any arguments on it from the SFA, remember it was the SFA and not the SPL or SFL that tried to allow Rangers entry straight into old First Division and as for the legal system, was it not during a legal challenge from the SPL that Lord Smith made his judgement? I am fed up trying to give folks example, sometimes I wish it had of been different as well, but organisations, sponsors, legal minds etc etc have all made up their mind, if all of these folks come out and say otherwise, I will take it no problem, but they havent and it has plenty of folks knickers in a twist)

9.) 25 Jan 2015
Naz there club made them remove the club logo from the advert, probably in case they got sued for it, as they have no money to pay any fine that the advert would have caused, they are dying for us to get back to top league, they are skint, ask guddetti, or commens

10.) 25 Jan 2015
Gary, how much of the 3000 is yours. Your obsession with all things rangers would be appreciated in the gallowgate, not here!!
Today is about Fernando ricksen

11.) 25 Jan 2015
Gary you say why are rangers any different from the teams you listed, that has a very logic answers, it's because we are the people.

12.) 25 Jan 2015
Gary (?)

To what end do you not want Rangers FC to exist?

Please speak plainly?

Did your fanz take out an advert when Dundee went bust, the first time?

Did your fanz take out an advert when Dundee went bust, the second time?

Can besotted people become more besotted, or is it besottedur?

{Ed039's Note - Just to point out Dundee never entered liquidation)

13.) 25 Jan 2015
25 Jan 2015 21:26:33
No Ed. Lord Nimmo Smith never made a legal judgement on it. He gave an opinion outside of the remit of his task. So you agree the SFA never came out and made a statement one way or another? I have no problem with you giving your opinion but don't state it as fact.

{Ed039's Note - You are well clutching at straws now pal, so you acknowledge that the man sent on the SPLs witch hunt DID indeed say that Rangers history was in tact and that in the last 2 and a half years the SFA have allowed Rangers to trade as is without pulling them back, dont try and pull a rabbit out of your hat with something that the SFA havent said. Pathetic really. Like I said, has someone come out and say "its the end, its over" I would have taken it, and you know what it would have been deserved, but it hasnt and you just can not handle it with trying to give me round about "facts" when you have nothing)

14.) 25 Jan 2015
Fair poin so to use the same argument then using these clubs that did enter liquidation:

Luton, Bournemouth, Rotherham and Leeds United all formed a newco without a CVA, and were punished with points deductions ranging from 15-20 points. All of these clubs retained their histories.

These are facts and accepted in football circles, amongst fans and legally.

Rangers are exactly the same we are the same club with the same history and I agree with ED I am only interested in 2 opimions Lord Smith and Neil Doncaster simple Rangers are still and always will be Rangers rediculous of dhims to try and hope otherwise, our World Record gets under their skin and they are 2nd best now and always will be.

RTID

i am george

15.) 25 Jan 2015
25 Jan 2015 21:44:12
You're backing up my original point thanks Ed. The authorities need to clarify the situation.

{Ed039's Note - The authorities did - Neil Doncaster of the SPFL clarified it just this week. And I dont think that was your original point at all)

16.) 25 Jan 2015
This a a lot of to do about nothing let them waste there money it makes no difference it should give every one a huge lift and all the more reason to hump them next week

{Ed039's Note - I am bored of producing facts and quotes to be told ... oh but your wrong, but I can only give you example of bloggers who said it, and citing folk who havent said anything at all .... I am bored of it, its a bullshit argument)

17.) 26 Jan 2015
26 Jan 2015 04:06:02
and here is the end NOT ONE GAME MISSED, NOT ONE, company sold the assets, club continued playing are you daft?

18.) 26 Jan 2015
The legal point is about companies not teams. Company law states a liquidated company is not allowed to trade with the name or pretend to be the former company. This is a legal point, not about SFA regs.