Rangers Rumours Archive June 04 2012

04 Jun 2012 21:23:31
Has Naismith signed for everton they seem to think its a done deal {Ed039's Note - No)

I really hope that Naisy stays and shows a little loyalty. As much as it may be a lot to ask considering the wage cut he and others have took. Rangers have looked after him through 2 serious injuries.paid for operations rehabilitation etc etc so even give us one more year service and leave next season for a substantial fee rather than a cut down price. Which would benefit both him and rangers.

Gary WATP

Transfer window isnt open yet

You can still sign people outwith transfer windows! they just don't join untill the next transfer window opens!

Everton and many clubs are holding off signing rangers players because they know if whyte is still in charge at the start of the next transfer window many players have it in their contract that they can walk on a free!

He will leave given half a chance.

But how dodgy is his knees?

It wasn't a pay cut. It was a pay deferal. The money is still owed. They actually sacrificed no monies.

That is what i have been telling everyone but they dont seem to take it in. They potentially arent doing without a single dime, if everything goes according to plan they will get all the money they are owed. Big hero's eh

A bit synical but true im affraid.

A wage deferral? So the new owner will have to come in and pay back-dated wages along with everything else we have too pay? am i right??

He can go to everton if he wants cause he will end up with one of his dodgy knees packing in. So my advice is we take the money whilst the going is good.

I HOPE HE STAYS , GREAT PLAYER COMPLETE WINNER . HATES GETTING BEAT. IF HE GOES ALL THE BEST LOVED EVERY MINUTE YOU HAVE PLAYED HERE.

He is not going to stay now he is fit. He only stayed and took the wage deferral because he was injuerd and had no option. Not knowing fully how much he gets a week, say �25k, less actually weekly pay (75% cut was it?) of �6250 means he is owed �18750 every week for sitting doing nothing going back to valantine's day (around 16weeks) totalling �300,000. His wages have reverted back to full pay of �25k a week From 01st June so after doing nothing for 4 month he is expecting now to get paid for his summer holiday. Who is going to pay him? Is he going to become another creditor? along with McGregor , Whittaker etc.

There is talk that big Sam Allardyce may nip in before Everton to bring him to West Ham

It wasn't a wage deferral. Frasier Wishart as part of the Player's Union advised the Administrators to use a wage deferral and is on the record saying the Administrators ignored this advice.

The Administrators cannot add to the club's debt, which is what a wage deferral would have been.

The talk in Birmingham is that Villa are ready to make there move.

Bye bye your not awe that anyway naisy . airport bear

All these so called fans telling him he can do one, he's been one of our best players and has been unlucky with an injury. Typical attitude of some of our fans, not that he reads this but why should he stay if anything he's done has been forgotten about before he's even said he's moving. Embarrassing.

Ally Rfc

04 Jun 2012 20:32:37
Hi ed can you confirm or deny this for me please. is it true that all rangers players who agreed these buy out clauses can all walk away for free as a part of this clause was freedom of contract if CW still owns the club from the first of June and he still has 85%.

hail hail

Marco1888 {Ed039's Note - I cant confirm it but I remember something being said when the cuts were agreed something about clauses if the ownership situation had not been sorted, although I dont know what those clauses were)

One problem with your veiled sarcasm, green owns the club {Ed039's Note - No he doesnt, his buying the shares from Whyte is dependant on CVA, if that doesnt happen then he will go down the newco route, but he doesnt yet own the club)

Ed, I know what you are saying is correct but if CVA is accepted, he owns club, if not
Accepted he starts a newco so he still is the owner, whatever happens Whyte has got nothing to do with it. {Ed039's Note - Difference between him being owner and not being owner is that he can walk away)

I would have to presume newco is different club. CW would still own Rangers. The same club who has the players contracts

The thing is, if the cutoff point is 1 June then CW still owned 85% of the club at that point. So the clause would kick in - Jaxie

Clause wasn't CW specific, it covered any owner they didn't potentially like.

If green goes with a newco there wont be a rangers for white to own, also doesnt green have a legally binding contract that he cant walk away ?

I am not 100% sure that was the clause but I am about 90% sure

hail hail

Marco1888

Ed mr green cant walk away duff and duffer said so when announcing who the winning bid was binding contract....mark. {Ed039's Note - And you believe everything they say, so far he has only paid 200k and revealed he has a small number of investors with funding coming via a loan, they also said they wanted unconditional bids but there are plenty of matters if not met that allows him to turn his back on RFC if he wants)

04 Jun 2012 18:00:47
Meadowbank changed their name to Livingston and are still the same team.

Airdrieonians were liquidated and died like Third Lanark.

Clydebank were bought and killed by Airdrieonian fans who moved the team to Airdrie. Technically their history is that of are Clydebank rather than Airdrieonians.

Berwick playing in Scotland and Gretna in England was before the rules about not playing across borders came in.

Why don't they merge with Benburb ????

What Is Your POINT ???

Yes we all know that Airdrie were liquidated and in some ways the man who did it was the old RFC owner, it will never be forgotten that he demanded Airdrie pay a bill, in his words, he was running a club not a charity - changed days indeed.

Diamond Geezer

And a tomato is a fruit, not a vegetable

Cheers at least someone deals with the real world here.

Derry city play in the Irish republic yet are from Northern Ireland and it was after the rules were changed so don't start.

Derry City first joined the League of Ireland's First Division for season 1985–86, which was quite some time before the cross border ban came in!

This post was a reply to one made in Rumours 13416, but still trying to get grips with my new phone!!

Why would Benburb want to merge with a team with no future, Benburb are doing rather nicely on our own thank you very much.

04 Jun 2012 17:08:13
Scottish teams to be banned from Europe next season

Im surprised this was allowed to be posted tbh...

Lord Nelson {Ed039's Note - Its something that has been discussed and rumoured over the last few days so why not, there is nothing bad on the post??)

Is there any more info online? {Ed039's Note - Nothing its someone wanting to start a rumour although it has been discussed if on here that it could be a punishment for the SFA if they dont come down hard on RFC)

Quire correct Ed, it is a rumour - clue is in the site name......

Diamond Geezer

Certainly wouldn't be losing sleep if that happens.

Haha yes, there is nothing wrong with it but fifa do not allow the wrongful actions of 1 team to affect others.

e.g. stripping rangers of titles is possible, taking european coefficients from the team is not. this is because this would affect scottish teams who are in europe now!

it wont happen

Lord Nelson

Only Rangers are banned from Europe

Scottish teams won't be banned from Europe next season, the SFA will punish Rankers. They certainly won't let other teams suffer because from all the s**te you've done.

IF they did then just imagine how popular RFC(IA) will be! But then you don't care do you. Unlike other teams ,you will walk alone!

UEFA don't punish other teams for the wrongful act of 1 team - are you having a laugh?

Pretty sure the whole of England was banned for a few years over the actions of one set of supporters.

I really don’t see this happening however I hope its true, everyone else in Scottish football is trying to take Rangers down so hopefully they will take everyone with them.

Sion got the whole ountry banned frome europe so it can happen

I suppose Rangers could get away with it on the grounds the appeal was issued by the administrators acting on behalf of the creditors, and not Rangers. Rangers did not appeal, it was the administrator.

A bit iffy.

Anorak.

04 Jun 2012 13:05:10
My mate in Blackpool say Fleetwood
Town are interested in David Healy.

I thought he was a true blue who was living the dream? He wont walk away will he? {Ed039's Note - Hopefully he will)

Healey has started a handful of games since he arrived at Rangers. Doesn't look like the player who scored so many goals for NI. He needs to move on.

Your mate must've been reading the papers last week cos it was in them,.,.kbarry

I would say he'd be more use to fleetwood mac than he was to us

It'll be a step up for him rather than benchwarming

Lord Nelson

I heard st johnstone wanted him

04 Jun 2012 10:55:20
Ian Black has already been in talks with gers, if court case is won it is prett much a nap for black to be at gers!
Source: Ian Black ( his father)

So, Ian black has been in contact but existing players such as Andy Little have heard nothing for weeks and has instructed his agent to find him alternative employment. Must be Queens Park Rangers.

Being honest i would think the guys that are already there would be spoken to first before we go looking for replacements.

end of the day we cant sign anyone until we out of admin,. and when were out of admin guys like sone aluko, andrew little and chris hegarty will all be on the list before ian black,

Black can only be signed when the club comes out of administration. Win the case or not a team in administration cant sign players.

No one is planning their career and a move to Rangwrs. Many are planning their career and a move out. (those with good advisers and common sense).

I guess we're doing walking away.
Not a well thought through phrase 'we don't do walking away' everyone ultimately walks away.

Even if the CVA is accepted, it will be 28 days after that minimum until they come out of administration, depending on the outcome of the SFA or any sanctions FIFA mmay take, would you wait if you were out of a job, not knowing whether or not you could sign or not, transfer window opens on the 7th, expect a lot of players signing contracts with other clubs not waiting on Rangers and their situation which wont be resolved for at least 5 or 6 weeks minimum

No way don't want that animal at the club.

And another one in will be the return of Rino, although this one isn't new, he will do good for one season, in helping the younger players

Which particular court case would that be?

Ian Black will be a great signing for Rangers. May not be the most gifted of footballers but he will do a job, guaranteed. And with the fighting and scrapping that we will be doing with all clubs (out to get us) next season, he will give us the dig and fight that will be necessary. Take no nonsense of anybody. Hopefully when we exit admin, we sign Black up pronto.

Gary WATP

Cert to be sent off in old firm games.

Yeah, he's really going to sign for a club who are suspended from the SPL!! Get a grip {Ed039's Note - He is usually suspended anyway so would be a good fit lol)

Should Rangers not pay Hearts the cash they owe before spending money on other players? If he does sign for Rangers the yellow card stats will double because he is a very dirty player.

Cant understand people unbelieving this rumour.

The man himself stated in last weeks press he has held initial discussions

He's a player that won't be bullied on the pitch and plays aggressively, nothing wrong with that, admirable attributes that Rangers were missing in games last season. Just because he is hard in the tackle, people jump too conclusion he's a dirty player. Nonsense

Gary WATP

Calling him an animal is typical of the supporters of the Bears, or was it simply a Little pun!! Anyway, Lafferty, Naismith, McCulloch, McGregor, animals, need I go on. Do you lot live in NeverNeverland, how many times must you be told that you can not sign anyone over the age of 18, surely players agents are trying to arrange transfers away from RFC, because let's face it the end is nigh!!!!!!!

You may have came up from under the carpet that everything from your side has been swept under a tad late, but the one and only reason Rangers cannot sign players is the fact we are still in administration. Absolutely nothing to do with the unlawful embargo imposed on us.

Gary WATP {Ed039's Note - Same point I have been trying to make for days, I wouldnt mind signing Ian Black but we have more pressing matters to see to first, although these rumours do make a difference to the gloom and doom posts)

You mcant sign anyone while in administration

04 Jun 2012 02:27:18
CHARLES GREEN, who is leading a consortium to purchase Rangers Football Club, issued the following statement today.

He said: "On behalf of the consortium purchasing the Rangers Football Club, it is my firm view that it is vitally important for the current issue of the SFA player embargo to be resolved and neither I nor my investors wish to see an outcome that would be to the detriment of Scottish Football.

"Throughout this process, the Club, the Administrators and most importantly the supporters have taken the view that any sanction against Rangers - due entirely to the misdeeds of individuals no longer at the Club - should be proportionate.

"We and the Administrators did not want to take the matter to a civil court at all.

"Unfortunately, the route to apply to the Court of Arbitration in Sport was not open to the Club because the SFA's own articles fail to include a specific provision permitting appeals to CAS and the Judicial Panel Protocol contains a rule which prohibits any form of appeal to CAS or any other body.

"Our position has been endorsed by Lord Glennie in the Court of Session. The Club was prohibited from appealing to CAS by the SFA's own rules.

"The Judicial Review was not an appeal rather it was the Club exercising its right under Scots Law to have the court review whether or not the imposition of the transfer embargo was within the power of the tribunals of the Judicial Panel.

"All of the appeal points put to the appellate tribunal relating to the harsh and excessive nature of the embargo were dropped as it would not have been appropriate to have taken those to the Court of Session"

"Rangers is wholly committed member of the SFA and SPL and fully respects their structures.

"Lord Glennie has referred the matter back to the Appellate Tribunal which heard the Club's appeal and we note a hearing is due to take place in due course.

"Either party has 21 days to consider an appeal. It is the Club's view that the matter should in fact have been referred back to the original tribunal which imposed the transfer ban because the appellate tribunal in its written judgement made clear the view they held on the appropriate alternative sanction to be imposed in the event that the transfer ban was successfully challenged.

"We are fully aware that one of the sanctions available to the Appellate Tribunal should the matter be referred back there is the suspension or termination of Rangers Football Club membership of the SFA.

"That in our view would be a disaster for Scottish football and a major setback to our plans to take Rangers forward after a particularly difficult period in its history.

"Equally, the alternative sanction of expulsion from the Scottish Cup is itself a very serious punishment which would also have a severe impact on Scottish football as well as on our Club.

"We will be considering with our legal team the best way forward after the public holiday."

He wasnt saying these things last week, quite a lot of backtracking going on now, the big beastie is about to be stamped on.

Oh dear, for someone who does not actually own rangers Mr Greene makes a hell of a lot of threats, planned meetings and assumptions.
We are almost at the stage of being told to thank rangers for cheating !
Sorry guys, it's time to take the punishment you backed yourself into the corner for.

SFA have released statement saying any two parties are entitled to arbitration and simply put D&P didn't contact the SFA to ask if it could be resolved through arbitration, just jumped feet first I into civil court. Personally, I was hoping Greene would be talking to them over the bank holiday to find a diplomatic way through it. Instead his statement seems to antagonise the relationship and reading his quotes in all then papers this morning he now appears to be taking a indefensible position of the SFA not applying any punishment.

Could've, Would've,Sould've gone to CAS.

All they had to do was ask.

Prevaricating and playing dumb work not work with FIFA.

I believe nothing that Green says, i.e. he was meeting Pater Lawell last week wasn't he? Nothing D&P say, i.e they were going to file a lawsuit to sue Mark Daly/BBC Scotland. Gone quiet there haven't they?

The civil court action may have be morally legitimate but in Rangers' current situation it was incredibly stupid and likely to bring far greater punishment on the club and also helping alienate SPL chairmen who might have been seen as allies. BB

Last season we lost in our second game of the Scottish cup to the arabs, so for Green to argue that expulsion from it would have "a severe impact on Scottish football" doesn't make any sense.

To the last post:
I think Green is trying to steer the panel to a decision for a Scottish Cup ban

This guy green is nuts ! What he , along with apologists like Hately,Johnstone. DL Etc. want is punishment without the actual punishment ! Do you not know who 2we are ? we are the peepil-we are rangers. WE ARE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL. Haud me back ! rangers must be suspended . If the SFA back down from this , Scottish football is finished

Greene talking up the impact of missing a Scottish Cup run - think the SFA will see straight through it.

How can you click unbelievable when it's a direct qoute? {Ed039's Note - Dont pay any attention to them, I dont)

Green is trying to blackmail the SFA here, saying "you need us so you can't suspend or expell us". Much as I really want Rangers to play in the SPL next season, it shouldn't be without sanction and in the absence of any other option, the SFA must suspend or expell.