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15 Jun 2019 18:56:05
Ashley wins court case again gets to keep retail contract as long as he wants and will cost us millions on breaking the contract not the news we wanted and to think it was DK who signed it in the first place.

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15 Jun 2019 19:59:12
BBB

Where are you reading this or what is your source as info seems to be short supply on this. A contract without limit of time seems very one sided and even our contact negotiators surely could not have agreed to this even in the small print.

15 Jun 2019 21:34:25
afraid the mob across the city have it over there websites supposed to be in papers tomorrow or monday the contract was if Ash can match any offer he gets the contract first he wasnt offerd that deal and broke the contract rules took a gamble and lost spent more money on court cases than on the team.

16 Jun 2019 00:51:59
This sounds like the deal which was originally signed up to but can’t believe it will be time unlimited. If SD do have the right to match any offer it would only be for the period of the contract on offer to others.

16 Jun 2019 06:40:13
lads seriously! why are we even discussing what that lot are making up about our club ? do you really believe or care what they say? c'mon fellow bears get a grip . ps: big bb, nothing in the big selling sunday papers ? you don't think they are telling porkies?

16 Jun 2019 09:12:02
What I cannot understand about all this is Ashley sat for months while web waited fir him to come up and match the contract offer . even into the start of the season . any longer and we wouldn’t have even had a first team strip designed. It was obvious his game . surely to god the courts will recognise this and realise there should have been a time limit or an alternative.

16 Jun 2019 09:35:25
Brian

You are spot on and now that I know the source of the story have much less believe in its credibility. No doubt they would love things to be as simple as BBB has stated. Only interested because I want to see this stage of Ashley’s assault on our club concluded. It won’t be the end regardless how DK has dealt with SD.

16 Jun 2019 10:18:55
Molsgoals

Unfortunately the courts do no concern themselves with the moral rights or wrongs of a case and have to apply what is legally correct. We appear to be at risk here if the contract agreement is truly to allow SD an unrivalled right to replace or match other tenderers without challenge. If so I still refuse to accept that it is without limit of time.

16 Jun 2019 10:49:08
agree totally mols. i do think it will cost our club money but we will be finally rid of the ridiculous deals that were done with certain parties . look lads we know the judge has made his ruling. both parties at this stage know the outcome but it has not been allowed to be made public? why? who knows? what i do know is that ashley has tried before with gagging orders and failed. maybe this time the outcome isn't favourable and he asked for it not to be made public? time will tell i just wouldn't believe anything that comes out of their forums.

16 Jun 2019 16:32:07
About the gagging orders, if the ruling went in SD favour, and e. g the money that The rangers make off selling the kits was to be portioned of to SD by some kind of arrangement until the present contract ends, if that became public knowledge it would probably affect, perhaps, the amount of Kits that the supporters buy, if they knew that a good part of the money was going Ashley's way, so is best kept quiet, so you guys keep buying the shirts.

16 Jun 2019 16:39:20
Brian and Mols if you think someone of a Celtic persuasion will go to the lengths of knocking up a detailed court decision with all the inherent legal jargon just to get a couple of days rise out of Rangers fans then I would imagine you think too much of people. Bear in mind Brian your own take on it is that Ashley possibly lost and has requested a gagging order.

Rangers tinted bias. Maybe they have been instructed to have a cooling off period to come to some agreement? But one thing is certain, leaks of court decisions do happen. Yet this one should be dismissed simply because of the messenger? With all the detail and despite the fact that Rangers have failed to date to lay a glove on Ashley on court you still maintain this is bogus?

16 Jun 2019 16:41:43
If Ashley is blocking our sales of merchandise and not prepared to come up with an alternative which would let us sell . ( . even if it meant him making money ) surely to goodness that is restraint of trade in some respect . I just cannot fathom these court rulings at all. makes no sense. You begin to wonder if there is a stash of brown envelopes somewhere .

16 Jun 2019 17:50:35
Gaza

We live in hope and expectation that at some point the madness will end not so much of a bias. With regard to the source I was checking what the source was and could find nothing so far from any source which confirms an outcome one way or another. Can you help on this.

17 Jun 2019 06:42:54
gazo you say i have rangers tinted bias? I've supported rangers all of my 59 year life of course i'm biased toward my club would be rather strange if i wasnt don't you you think? do you think i should agree with the statement made by big bb really? as it came from a celtic forum? as i said we don't know what the outcome is there is nothing anywhere in the press so shall we just wait and see? sorry where is this detailed court decision? please post it on here gazo
and if it is posted on a celtic forum then the answer is yes i do think some of a celtic persuasion would go to the lenghts you say big bb took the bait!

17 Jun 2019 10:54:49
Really Molsgoals, brown envelopes where a fairly rudimentary contract agreement has been violated, that's your best guess at what happened here? Still it's nice to see that you acknowledge it did at least happen some of your blue tinged replies in here are still doubting it's validity.

I don't know where BBB got his info and was it merely comment from Celtic forums or a copy and paste job but my source for the detailed court decision is:

bailii.org England and Wales Court (Commercial Court) Decisions, which to some of you was no doubt knocked up overnight by some devious Celtic fan. :)

17 Jun 2019 13:50:07
Brian, after BBB's post, it took me all of 5 minutes to find it. Can I suggest some of you don't try hard enough when you fear it might be bad news. That's what I mean by Rangers bias, when even a screamingly obvious fact or bit of evidence is ignored or manipulated, I'm not talking about contentious penalty awards when all of us see things slightly bias but as requested above is a link to the decision, I suspect it won't be good reading. Do you still think some Celtic fan knocked that site up overnight Brian?

17 Jun 2019 13:17:51
but took you 2 days to post it ok you found that well done would you like to in laymans terms tell us, and the countrys press what the final decision is exactly? and no need for the sarcasm gazo little below you i think but hey ho. one question gazo why is it you think rangers bias is different from all of you others who see things slightly bias? is bias not bias?

17 Jun 2019 17:27:01
Look lads, I am as big a bluenose as you get, but the link given by gazo checks out. The summary assessment confirms that, as IOM states, DK and his team broke the agreement that cost us three million pounds and will keep on costing us, until he faces facts and accepts that the original agreement is watertight, and I have said a dozen times we will continue losing money until king eats humble pie.

17 Jun 2019 19:03:09
Well as far as I see guys nothing changes . we broke the agreement to get the strips out on the market . which as we will appeal will let us get the strips out on the market again this season . The alternative is no strips . let’s see how it pans out . still don't see Ashley’s influences in the boardroom and if this contract was a sweetener to oust him then do be it . I am all for it . remember we were not dealing with an open deck . As billy I think put it. Ashley had all the aces . all the aces before we started . H e hasn’t now and if in the end it costs 7 or 8 million to get rid then so be it . as long as we get rid . the alternative is unthinkable. can anyone give a reasonable alternative . these agreements were used as sweeteners to get rid and we just have to bear the consequences and winning the league and cups will be one of them . wonder if iom would give credit that day . always said we were on to a hiding here but it’s not done yet.

17 Jun 2019 19:31:06
Ps can someone honestly tell me that the alternative we had ( before Dave king took up the fight ) of 75p for every 10 pound of merchandising income . buying leftover stock at full price . a strong possibility of paying a royalty on our crest on top of that and leasing our ground every year ( only the tip of the iceberg ) is a better alternative to where we are now . please . reign it in and have some faith.

17 Jun 2019 19:59:37
Of course I will molsgoals, unlike yourself I can see both sides of this argument. Your take is anything to get shot of Ashley so King can claim credit. I've already said on here the deal with Ashley is OK deal. If we owed our own shop we would be getting the 65-70 % the retailers take. We have to start again with our own shops then the fans can choose where to buy their merchandise, then we have the fat man beat. This break injuctions and going against the law can only lead to defeat.

17 Jun 2019 20:54:21
Molsgoals, ashley still has all the aces and we will continue to pay out more than we get in. So please tell me how we are winning? That would be great if the contract was ended.
The only way that will come about is, if we get an agreement that is legally binding and not what dk would like to think what was agreed.

17 Jun 2019 23:48:11
The reason we are winning is he no longer has a hold over 1. Our crest ( so he can’t charge royalty’s )
2. Our ground . ( so he can’t charge us his intended rent for lease per season
3. Our merchandise ( he might get a payment but it certainly won’t be £9.25 for every tenner)
4. Our stock ( he cannot force us to buy any unsold stock at counter price . which as we were getting 75p for every 10 quid which left us practically nil)
5. His employees ( remember who he put on board room. remember he gave us six or seven Newcastle players of which we paid there wages for 3 months and of which only one was fit to play. )

There’s plenty more but for me that’s it . if that’s not enough to convince you we are on the right road then there’s no point to be honest.

17 Jun 2019 23:53:20
Billy a lot of people on here do not acknowledge my last post . as if these facts are not relevant and the fact that Dave king has manoeuvred us out if the spiders web Bares no significance. WHY. because he dosnt read the small print . hilarious.

18 Jun 2019 02:32:55
Rangers fans keep saying Celtic fans are "Finance experts" well evidently we do seem to find things quicker than you so maybe there is some truth in it. You asked for proof of the decision, it's not for me to then tell you how it went, work that out for yourself. You were fairly convinced Ashley was keeping it quiet surely your business wisdom can suss this out then.

Brian there is bias - seeing a foul when there isn't one and there is bias - someone who supports another team saying something that is fundamentally true and you denying it because of who he/ she supports.

18 Jun 2019 02:33:02
Brian here's a question for you, Mols, Molsgoals all the folk who poured cold water on this and fair play to BBB for at bringing it to folks attention. Why isn't this on any Rangers Forum? Why now that it's in the public domain hasn't any of them shared it? There may well be reasons why Rangers themselves can't share it which is fair enough but it's out there and similarly, why haven't the press commented on it? Simple answer, because it's bad news and mendacious Dave doesn't like bad news.

18 Jun 2019 02:51:54
Cheers Billyb, the one thing that I think is unduly worrying folk is 10 (3) Matching Rights where Lionel Persey says this.

"Rangers submitted that one effect of the inclusion of the matching rights would be to give SDIR a rolling right to a contract in perpetuity and that this cannot have been the intention of the parties. I do not need to consider whether there is any merit in this characterisation of the nature of the matching rights. It is sufficient for present purposes to note that the parties agreed to the matching right provisions as part of the original Agreement and that it is not for the Court to rewrite their bargain. "

I think he means it is immaterial regards the current dispute as opposed to confirming SDIR have this agreement in perpetuity. That will be a court case for another day. I'm presuming as well as breaking agreements and spending more time in court than Rumpole that three and a bit years ago Rangers actually informed SDIR of their desire to dissolve the partnership and got going the seven year annulment as was in the original agreement.

By now Rangers would be roughly half way through this and while it would no doubt be costing money two things come to mind.

1) Ashley may have been more amenable had King not been so belligerent from the off. I'm not saying it's a definite but he is a businessman first and last and could have saw reason without King's sabre rattling.

2) You've gave him £3m for what to date? What exactly did Rangers get from that? They fed you lies yes but what progress did it actually make? And now presumably another huge bill awaits not to mention Rangers covering both parties costs at every given turn.

So we are roughly half way through what would have been this annulment period had they got the ball rolling from the outset. If King and all the other folk supposedly acting on your behalf have not done so then they have cost the club millions with little to no progress and completely sold you down the river.

18 Jun 2019 02:52:36
Of course it leads to defeat . defeat in the court but not in the boardroom. Ok deal? Are you at the wind up mull. Are you happy with 75p for a tenner? The possibility of a royalty on crest and leasing ibrox . you seem to gloss over these facts. 7 million to get rid of Ashley .

yes thank you very much . not getting rid of Ashley from boardroom. for me it would be 100 million to Ashley over 5 to 10 years or 5 million a year fir foreseeable future with him still holding all. ALL the assets . sorry maybe for you mull . but me as a life long season ticket holder no thanks . Do what you have to do Dave king please to oust this vermin from the bowels of our fabric .

Ps mull Ashley never . no never came forward with an offer to match . We played our first three or four games with no strips in shops . That is his game and mr king is not playing it . no offer . all designed to bring the board down with the negative minority. turning into the majority . please mull enlighten me about your man Ashley’s intention for our crest ( 1.50p) and for the intention to give us a loan for the title deeds for ibrox? . brilliant.

18 Jun 2019 07:24:30
Ashley never made a offer because we held back the information needed to make the offer. I've tried to explain to you molsgoals the bulk of any team profit on mechadise is the up front payment. All you can see is 75p in every tenner. Please go online and look what man u, Liverpool get up front, then a few pence in the pound from each shirt sale.

18 Jun 2019 07:32:46
gazo i cannot answer why it wasnt posted on any forum and of course we don't like bad news about our club unlike you who hasn't posted on here for nearly a year until something comes along that you take great delight in . shame its not for you to tell us what the actual decision is and that we have to work it out for ourselves . as for celtic fans being financial wizards yes in all things blue . to many ifs and buts in your statement gazo like us you will just have to wait for the statement from the court when it happens i like most of the rangers family are hoping that its not to bad unlike you and most of the celtic family are wishing for the opposite. would that be celtic bias? who cares . big bb wasnt correct in his statement it didn't break at all? and as for the press not publishing what has been in the public domain since june the 6th your simple answer is that dave king the liar doesn't like bad news? can you not do better than insults gazo . i will ask you a simple question as i have to many celtic supporters do you want rangers to sink or swim gazo?
one last thing gazo i will always be biased towards my club and like others hope for the best always, not just for rangers in my life too. will you always be obbsessed with our clubs demeanour? and to be totally honest i don't and never have cared about what goes on behind the scenes at celtic park its none of my buisness. the end!

18 Jun 2019 10:51:37
So we were getting an up front payment from Ashley mull. naw I don’t think so . How do you Kn we never presented the offer to Ashley? As far as I am aware we were waited about 8 to 10 weeks for him to respond when no response was forthcoming we forged ahead .
Gazo. what did we get for our three million. please read my post of 17 th 23 .48.you seem to have a lot of time to spend on a rangers forum so please give it a read. for three million it’s an absolute bargain . . then could you maybe lay it out in a bit simpler terms for mull for me . as he seems to conveniently ignore these 5 points I constantly put forward and never never reply’s. Can you enlighten him or me for that matter on how these 5 points I covered were not life changing and life threatening to our institution. and for three mill it’s money well spent by king. Ps you can throw the car park in there too although I think that is now security on another loan, but at least Ashley dosnt own anymore and I think edminston house. As I said I think the overall bill by the time we get rid will be prob about 5 to 7 mill but still it’s imperative that it’s done.
It’s remarkable Gazo that you have taken so much time and effort to point out the short term negatives on this latest defeat . not for me . I will never forget where Ashle had and was taking us . with summers and the easdales ect . so to be honest I am still 100% behind chairman and board . We are going in the right direction and Gazos input from dark side gives that a bit of cred. cheers Gazo . bring it on.

18 Jun 2019 11:21:33
Bla bla bla!

Same old from the same old - very dull reading the same biased guesses and what ifs.

Some are so negative that they would find a negative even if the court gave DK a knockout.

The is doing well, the finances are 100 miles better than 3 years ago and Ashley has no influence in the boardroom.

Stop getting you knickers in a twist and wait for the final whistle - only then can anyone say with any certainty whether DK has played a blinder or completely screwed up.

18 Jun 2019 11:54:34
Up front payment comes from the manufacturer of the mechadise ie hummel.

18 Jun 2019 12:53:26
Is that your answer mull . hilarious. what about my 5 points And car park and edm house. What I asked you and if you read previous posts back very slowly you might understand . I asked you what Ashley gave us up front to support his 75 p payment? m? It has never been reported in accounts or anywhere? 75 p for every tenner .1.50p for badge . a 3 million ysm loan against ibrox of which we never took . paid his injured players salaries for three months sanctioned by his monkeys in the board room. countless other immoral dealings . so please if your so selective in dealing with replying. and you choose to understand only which suit your argument. it explains a lot my friend about all these posts . especially when you see your biggest supporter comes from the dark side . keep the faith mull we will be fine .

18 Jun 2019 14:31:21
Molsgoals, I think you will find that the car park and edmiston house have been used as security against loans, and the deal that green etc. "arranged" was crooked, but the only way to beat the "contract" is in court.
Attack the contract conditions that they are implementing and lay open our books, and show the terms are so extreme that they are corrupt.
Show the full facts and show that our directors acted against the interest of our club with their actions, and if necessary, sue them.
That may even make a case for a temporary injunction and allow respite to allow Hummel to manufacture strips in the short term.

18 Jun 2019 15:14:31
Wow billy amazin my friend . maybe give ibrox a phone with that idea . not being cheeky but I did say car park and Edmiston house was a guarantee against small loans . not sure about the house but car park a definitely . My point was T he board wrestled it from king’s grasp.

18 Jun 2019 15:47:47
Sorry mr king that was meant to read Ashley’s grasp. it’s even getting to me now . am aboot to argue wi my own posts.

19 Jun 2019 01:42:27
SD weren't to come forward with an offer to match, they were to be given the chance to match the best offer you received.

19 Jun 2019 01:44:55
Return of the IOM is correct, Rangers did not give Ashley the full details needed to make the offer for matching rights, that is 100% true.

Of course Ashley was going to pick and mix, take all the highly profitable stuff, shirts, strips and leave the "junk", key rings, etc on the table but Rangers knew this and did not allow him the information to match. Again if it's there in black and white in a contract then going to court defending that standpoint or breaking the contract by not allowing the matching is nothing more than an exercise in losing money.

19 Jun 2019 01:47:06
DK19 what planet are you on? You state the finances are 100 miles better than three years ago.

2015 annual accounts Rangers losses £7.5m
2018 annual accounts Rangers losses £14.3m

Spin that!

19 Jun 2019 01:53:33
Ps still waiting on mull and Gazo to enlighten us on how the 5 big changes Dave and the board pulled off and that I listed earlier on17th. Have not helped pull us from the mire and saved us from the sharks? Pps again remember . no salary goes to this board or chair. all what previous board and chairman took back to club is ploughed back into club . would you do that for your club G? Mull can you contribute? Know you have said in past you can’t afford a season ticket then how about rangers tv and a strip?

19 Jun 2019 02:10:00
You asked me to prove something for you, clearly not having the wherewithal to find it yourself, I do and suddenly I'm obsessed Brian. As for insults make your mind up, are we using them or not?

I'll tell you what I want Rangers to do Brian, live within their means and live within the rules set down. You en masse backed Charles Green to the hilt despite myself and others pointing out that to the letter he was copying what he did at Sheffield Utd. Dave Bassett even gave you the blueprint in a double pager in the Daily Record and still you backed him in your thousands.

His dealings with Ashley were frowned upon by non Rangers folk but hey he was giving you players and letting you draw down on £10m, if correct, live within your means and you wouldn't have needed that or him by the way. So back in the day Ashley was well liked by many Rangers fans, some even salivating at him taking over, however the devil was in the detail. As Rangers are now regretting.

The reason I am back in is not joy at the news, why didn't I post at double treble or treble treble therefore Brian? There's been enough joy of late to keep me pretty busy in here Brian no? It was, as it always is when I return, at seeing the complete denial and ignorance to facts. The judge's opinion was out there but a number of you either chose to think it Celtic propaganda, nonsense or involved brown envelopes, that's why I came back in and posted it. If you and others start engaging your brain and appreciate realities like IOM does rather than wishful thinking then maybe I won't feel the need to provide you with accurate, salient facts now and again.

19 Jun 2019 06:47:34
gazo i will not engage in your sanctimonious drivel . your only purpose on here is to gloat as you have done for nigh on 7 years and you say your not obsessed? i have admitted that i am bias towards my club. can you not admit that you are obsessed? you actually feel the need to provide us with accurate, salient facts? really? anyway onwards and upwards keep believing!

19 Jun 2019 07:29:29
I will spin it Gazo . for the fourth time . you have so much to say . you know fir definite ( although I cannot see owt about rangers withholding info from ash regarding offer . as far as I see it’s the other way about) but anyhow on the 17 th I put forward that we were better off because of 5 points. You and mull conveniently have ignored that summery again . mull for about the tenth time you for about five. These are the reasons my friend that make all this nonsense worthwhile. We have our great club back . and you feel the fear. that’s why you are spending hours and hours and thousands of words on forums like this to try and cause unrest. But no matter what you say . the five facts remain from the 17th and we are on our way back by hook or by crook . you on the other hand would be better served at looking as to why your club cannot get transfers like McGinn and turnbull over the line.

19 Jun 2019 07:33:37
Ps gazo. Dave king puts our season tic money into the club. dermont puts yours into buying planes. I Kn who I would trust. oh pps and to buy lights to attract clientele so he can buy more planes.

19 Jun 2019 08:44:51
Aw, it’s so nice to know that you care Gazo!

15 Jun 2019 02:22:38
Havent heard much from some on here about king's proposal to issue millions more shares and dillute the value of current holding by others to increase his influence on rangers.

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15 Jun 2019 10:57:07
Changing his loans to shares I believe. already done. Rather than take money with interest out the club . very admirable I would say . I have some shares and I am more than willing to accept the value for our club . If you are in this to make money . shimmie up to Desmond.

15 Jun 2019 08:39:43
The upside is that he removes most of the current debt and makes it more certain who controls the club. The downside is that he does not have the overall wealth to take Rangers much higher in terms of real ability to compete with Celtic in the transfer market.

This will take years for the imbalance to be addressed by Rangers combined with a period of mismanagement of Celtic. If Celtic are smart they will not allow this to happen.

In other words exactly what happened at Celtic when Fergus took over combined with the concurrent mismanagement of Rangers

It may be that DK is looking to get preferred investors to now put in money to Rangers as he stabilise the club but this seems like his only plan and the dilution of the ordinary fan or smaller shareholder investment will continue. Unless the fans invest as one group and regularly, then the current plan is the only option other than a seriously wealthy person buying the club.

Until then Rangers will continue to struggle to compete.

15 Jun 2019 13:22:31
Molsgoals

If I had shares I would see it exactly the same way you do. If you want to make money a football club is not the place to do it. I choose to pu some money into Club 1872 as collective to keep buying shares and put money into the club. Only time will tell if this is wise.

15 Jun 2019 13:36:27
happy with the response another ham.

15 Jun 2019 13:38:08
Anotherham . I know you are from the dark side but you are sounding more like the Isle of Mull everyday. are you really him in disguise?

15 Jun 2019 14:34:53
So what happens in 2020 and 2021, if he pulls the same stunt, to clear current and future debts, your shares or the authority they hold will be further devalued, are you happy with that.

I wonder how much has been lost on paper by those who invested in rangers rebirth.

15 Jun 2019 15:38:05
another ham seriously? why does it bother you so much what happens in our club? simple question ham do you want us to sink or swim an honest reply please.

16 Jun 2019 09:45:22
AHW

Do you not realise that most people who put money into Rangers to keep the club alive did so knowing that they would never see return on investment. The only exception are the Whyte’s, Ashley and Greenes of the story who saw Rangers as a short term opportunity to turn over big payouts.

This remains the case and most don’t care if they make money on shares as this is simply an emotional investment which would happen all over again if ever needed.

08 Jun 2019 15:49:36
Anyone know what the outcome with our court battle with sports direct was? Judge made a decision but won't be made public? What's that all about?

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15 Jun 2019 20:32:50
In the public domain now. not very good.

08 Jun 2019 14:33:22
Our layers court battle it was reported that the judge made a decision however it would not be made public, what's going on? Anyone understand this?

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10 Jun 2019 06:50:50
The judge had made his decision a while back finding in flavour of SD, the lasest Court appearance was to announce the amount of damages awarded to SD. Can't find any info.

11 Jun 2019 01:10:16
No it wasn’ This case is on the terms of the new contract . case (726) . So eager to stick the proverbial boot in mull me thinks . I wonder why?

11 Jun 2019 06:59:55
Let's wait and see molsgoals, I'm not getting into a battle of wits with someone who's come unarmed.

11 Jun 2019 08:54:14
This is a situation that the only thing certain is that we are in a lose, lose position due to poor decision making by DK.

11 Jun 2019 19:04:51
Sorry Billyb but it’s a win win situation due to the determination and clever boxing of mr king to oust Ashley from our club . comes at a price but it always would have . The most important thing is ( and like a stuck record I repeat myself again) we will not have to pay the man annual rent for ibrox or a royalty charge in every badge used in merchandising. which was a small part of his plan before mr king kicked him into touch . a bit of respect and acknowledgement bears please and not the selective negativity that is usually adorning this forum.

11 Jun 2019 19:09:44
Ps unarmed you say mull . we seem to be well armed for the fight ahead next year. I have noticed that the optimism in the transfer market is night and day to previous seasons. Used to be every target was prone to failure. now it seems Stevie has a golden touch and players want to play for our great club and be a part of something special. So again I for one say thanks mr king for making it happen.

11 Jun 2019 21:31:39
Mols is it not time to come back to reality or live in your dream world?

12 Jun 2019 00:13:05
Well Billyb I am dreaming of the title next year and so are thousands of others and the reality is one man has made this dream a possibility and our challenge a reality. and it certainly is not mike Ashley . but no doubt you and others will deny the credit to the man responsible.

12 Jun 2019 07:31:06
molsgoals a few things stand out from your comments sir . 1 loyalty 2 belief 3 hope 4 respect . and 5 an obvious undying love for our club . enjoy reading your comments keep believing sir its what we all should do, hats off to you.

12 Jun 2019 08:49:44
I am one of the thousands and, yes, he should get credit due e. g. SG, but his dealings on the merchandising has been crap, and cost us millions.

12 Jun 2019 22:18:22
Thanks Brian onward and upward . even Ryan Kent wants to come back rather than a big money move .
Remember tho billy Ash had ya over a barrel regarding merchandising and King has had to try and wiggle his way through it . I firmly believe green lined his pockets to the brim by giving ash his immoral deals. Ashley’s whole plan last year was not to match any offer . (as far as I know no time limit was put on it by courts . ) and to keep us waiting and waiting until it was to late to release any strips He know the fans would revolt against this and possibly come down really heavy on the board . giving him again a way in. So far mr king has managed to keep him out and at bay . King managing to get the strips on the market at all was quite remarkable and to his credit . The fact the the judge making a decision on the terms of the contract and keeping it out of the public domain says to me that he is acknowledging the fact that the whole proceedings are immoral coming from an immoral stand point and he is trying to do the right thing rather than cause harm to our club through one mans vindictiveness .
I sincerely hope that is the case and am still hoping for a favourable outcome . Do not forget bill that ash got the rights to our crest from green for what was it s pound? What did green get fir that . I would love to know . keep the Faith bill we will get through this.

13 Jun 2019 00:27:11
It's been a joke let's be honest. He's did well at times and we've moved forward, but the dealingsame over merchandise etc has been nothing short of a shambles.

13 Jun 2019 07:07:54
sorry blue i don't agree the fact that we can buy merchandise and money is going to our club is remarkable. ashley is as we all know probably the most shrewdest businessman in the uk and to get anything out of him is nothing short of amazing SD deal with this sort of thing all the time that's what he / they do yes it will probably cost us but remember who was in charge of our club they made such a mess through lies and deceit lining their own pockets and ashleys yes they may get money but in the long run they will not get our club . keep believing fellow bears we are on our way back to greatness of that i'm sure.

13 Jun 2019 07:39:47
I am not going to continue this discussion as we are after the same thing. Rangers to win the league and go on from there. However, I cannot see why you believe that DK will win the War with Ashley.
Everything that you say about Green etc. is correct, but this battle with sports direct is not going to be won by going toe to toe with them, as they are better equipped due to the hand they were dealt, from the bottom of the pack.

13 Jun 2019 13:41:08
i agree billy it will cost us yes but we will have our club back onwards and upwards billy.

13 Jun 2019 22:18:49
King managing to get the strips on the market at all was quite remarkable and to his credit- wow some statement molsgoals. All he did was break 2 injunctions yes molsgoals he broke the law of the land. We can't pick and choose which laws we like or dislike. My take is about the same as Billy B. I await what we have to pay SD it will probably wipe out any money we made on the strip sales.

13 Jun 2019 23:18:53
Hear hear Brian great posts full of much needed optimism.

14 Jun 2019 08:47:15
The judge told us last week how much we have to pay to SD, molsgoals if it was good news don't you think Jim traynor would be walking about with his haw maws hanging out telling the world.

14 Jun 2019 11:51:34
Naw roi Ashley’s not going to want it broadcast that he’s had his arse whipped and been played like a fiddle so I think it’s more down to the Ashley we’re not getting the final outcome we all no he love a gagging order.

14 Jun 2019 22:19:19
Mull, you don’t get it even yet . maybe you don’t want to or ever will. If we have to pay SD because we went against the ruling and marketed strips . surely we are the winner as it was Ashley’s intention ( and as I have already tried to explain but you failed to comprehend again ) to back us into a corner so we couldn’t release strips . This would have made a large number of fans really unhappy leading to a possible revolt.

That is the reason Ashley would not make an offer so as we could move forward. He didn’t want us to move forward, and by your own reckoning neither did you. Breaking the laws of the land? Are you serious my friend? We did not rob a bank or kidnap Ashley fir a ransom. we played the game . I would break a thousand injunctions to get rid of SD . Seemingly you on the other hand would wallow in a false self righteousness and allow a rouge like him to ravage and pillage our great club rather than play him at his own game . Oh dear.

15 Jun 2019 11:11:20
Great post from the 13 th billy . you have to remember though. we don’t have a choice . none at all. Mr king is just trying to defend our club and rights the best way he can . It’s ashly that is hanging on trying to squeeze all he can out the situation. As he has done with countless other business. s. Most will-fold under his bully tactics . but we will never. no matter what it takes . The easdales and the rest can take a hike . what we need to deal with to make this happen we will and we have and we are getting stronger no doubt. Another good season under our belt is what us required. Our performance in Europe last year was remarkable. who would have thought. Keep the faith Billyb.

06 Jun 2019 17:17:40
Who is it that's in charge of legal affairs at our club? Whoever it is needs their books.

SD saga and now this £1M+ lawsuit that according to reports was signed off by the club? A nonsense.

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06 Jun 2019 09:11:53
Is it today the court ruling in the case v sports direct? anyone know what time it's due to be announced if it is today? cheers. i'm expecting loads of financial experts from the dark side to reply to this 🤣.

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06 Jun 2019 13:40:11
What ever the penalty you can expect king to squander more fans money on appeals.

07 Jun 2019 13:38:16
AHW. all joking aside right, surely your a bluenose eh!

24 May 2019 07:51:48
Morning Guys, what is the current situation with SDI as this is costing us a fortune in lost income and legal fees that could be better used. I know one of you said the latest court case had been put back last month, just wondering, as we can't go on losing the income we are, it would be pivotal to not requiring loans from the likes of Close Brothers etc.

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24 May 2019 11:36:43
Not to sure but I see that they have donatatet £20000 to themselves from the kids academy to fix the road outside stadium. Things must be tight.

24 May 2019 14:46:04
Decision early next month. I think they will need more than the £20k from the kiddies fund to pay the Ashley man. Oh and the outstanding loans to Close Brothers will be due very soon. Think the Glib and Shameless South African criminal will need to win the Euro Lotto to get even close to paying the debts that are mounting. Still everything is rosy according to most posters on here and your pliant press corps.

25 May 2019 17:29:52
Lots of our debt has been turned into eqity at the last share issue!

25 May 2019 22:35:27
Has it, really, are you sure? From where I'm watching, it would appear that Close Brothers and Ashley are not paid in shares but Hard cash. that's what they want and your Chairman and Club don't have it. Simple as! Next couple of weeks will be the tipping point.

26 May 2019 09:58:23
Are you on the rangers board? Then you know as much as the rest of us mate!

29 May 2019 19:26:04
Ha brilliant hope . you better hope Lenny boy stays in a job till Xmas . I have my doubts and so do the majority of the smelly friends I have.

14 May 2019 13:15:02
2pm today the verdict on Ashley V Us.

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14 May 2019 14:19:20
Bet you are bursting with excitement then. Is this the only part of the forum that you troll.

14 May 2019 16:17:38
Well, what happened then?

14 May 2019 22:05:09
I'm only trying to keep fans up to date with the financial side of things. Not here to troll. Slim Jim I bet you were one of the ones saying 7 years ago, nobody told us. I've not heard the outcome, but even jboy agrees with me it won't be pretty.

14 May 2019 22:26:18
This hearing is not on the main case .
j The main case is 631. As I am led to beleive This case is on the terms of the new contract . case (726) back in tomorrow I believe. and of course we won’t win . Mr king knew this but it is damage limitation and the only way to get rid of roly poly and ultimately win in the end . Unfortunately a lot of people find that really hard to understand and would rather slaughter the chairman for taking up the fight . who else would have? I ask and where would we be now if he hadn’t? Dosnt bear thinking about.

14 May 2019 23:17:54
Molsgoal

On balance I agree. We have to accept though that big and expensive mistakes have been made when we can least afford it and as the self promoted face of Rangers he carries the can. As he and the 3 bears are the one financing it ultimately they have the right to deal with Ashley the way they choose.

Only time will tell if RIOM is right or wrong to persecute DK and highlight his concerns. If DK leaves us in the lurch halfway through then we who have supported him will be proved wrong.

15 May 2019 08:37:39
Iom not pretty but has to be done. You like me make guesses. Neither have access to everything that is happening.

16 May 2019 18:37:51
Rumour by a couple of my rangers mates, is that rangers don't want to settle out of court with sports direct as any compensation would require to be paid in an agreed time frame and would reflect as a outstanding debt in this season's accounts, where as they may be ordered to pay more by the judge at a later date, but they can then spend time appealing that decision therefore deffering payment until another accounting period. maybe the promised recovery is not as strong as stated at your AGM.

16 May 2019 23:35:48
That sounds good forward planning to me my friend.

17 May 2019 08:25:06
Friend of mine says that he’s been told by his granny who’s friend is a club insider that no-one outside the clubs legal team and directors have any idea what is happening with the Ashley case.

He says that everyone says they’ve heard a rumour, been told something by a good source or claims to be a legal wizz but actually they are simply full of bull.

Rest assured the club have a plan to rid us of Ashley in the best possible manner - it may end up costing more than the £3m we have already paid plus some legal fees but we have already cut his negative influence and substantially increased the retail income in the short term.

17 May 2019 13:54:09
So what plan would that be? Come on helo us all out here. So far no plan and all defeats in HM Court system. Enlighten us.

17 May 2019 19:33:28
Week what defeats is that hnh?

17 May 2019 19:41:13
From where I'm sitting the plan was to rid our club of all leeches 90% done fat man soon and then we will see what happens don't really know where your coming g from hnh reading too much single fish on your own site mate we've been listening to you lot for years and all that's happened is that we are back end of mate and maybe you would care to look at your own clubs finances oh wait you can't never been Able to and never will always been hidden always questions as to where the money goes never answered.

17 May 2019 20:32:11
We are very close . taking the fight to him . if fatty had his way rangers would not have had any strips for sale this year. Mr king just did not allow that . we are rangers remember. What flack would he have been given if that had been the sinareo. The fact we got them out there and our fans wore them proudly . is a battle won . by hook or by crook. At one point Ashley would have charged for every single crest on our chest . Dave kicked that one into touch. and to be honest I don’t care how he did it . but thank him for doing it . Green sold fatty the crest for what? A nominal fee of 1.50 through the books and whatever he got outwith . if I am correct . criminal.

18 May 2019 08:12:21
King is a convicted criminal, what exactly is your point.

19 May 2019 08:58:46
Dk19 you tell us about grannies rumour then state rest assured the club have a plan to rid us of Ashley--another rumour. It will cost more than the 3 million already wasted. For the other who call Ashley a crook, it was us who broke the 2 injunctions. He not Mr Nice guy but we fell into he's trap.

19 May 2019 17:39:28
For anyone that has a clue about accounts, differing a settlement does not make it disappear. An accountant would make provisions for a worst case scenario. Keeping putting off a settlement just costs more money. Bite the bullet and get it settled.

19 May 2019 20:26:37
Deferring not differing. ___ apologies.

20 May 2019 17:21:20
3 million not wasted but a worm on the end of a hook to reel him in . you just don’t get it do you . it would be impossible to deal with a crook like Ashley by honerable means. Can you not be happy and appreciate that we are in there with a fighting chance for next season without paying Ashley any money for wearing our own badge and logo and not paying him any money for rent of ibrox? Wow.

20 May 2019 17:59:59
Thanks for posting Ed . some of us have to stick up for the chairman.

20 May 2019 20:47:21
Lets wait and see on the results of the court cases before making out Dave to be some brilliant, clever tactician. One of the reasons some of us have doubts, is the amount of nonsense he comes away with.

20 May 2019 23:35:07
Of course we will lose . but it’s all collateral damage to get rid.

20 May 2019 23:38:16
Ps you might ask how much damage is acceptable? I would answer . well we were at deaths door if not worse with Ashley and co.

21 May 2019 07:33:58
so if you think we'll lose what do you think we gain from going to court? Other than costing us money?

21 May 2019 13:11:51
A £3m worm to get rid of Ashley? Molsgoals his shares were bought by rangers peoples and a £3m pay off but DK and our legal team didn't read the small print that allowed him a foothold back in. King then broke 2 injunctions and carried on selling merchandise against the law of the land. Mr King must have thought he was back in SA. We said in court last year we would sit down and work out a deal with SD then started a new outlet with elite, would that not get your back up. Paul Murray had left the building before this sit down with SD so we can't blame him.

21 May 2019 21:35:32
Blue berry it’s ash that’s taking us to court . and another episode we have to go through to get rid unfortunately. Mull are you having a laugh? Do you think your mind is so superior to mr king and his lawyers. What makes you think fir one minute that the rangers team did not read the small print? Did someone tell you this . Can you in your great wisdom and knowledge of the court and justice system tell me how Mr king and team could have played it any differently to get a better result? Ashley nearly owned our club lock stock and barrel for a pittance. Were you happy that he owned our badge and intended to take a copyright payment every time it was used? On every strip . on every piece of official merchandising throughout the world. By hook or by crook mr king stopped that and then intent to lease our ground back to us. So all the contracts all the small print acceptance and all the rest is part and parcel of the overall picture of no . NO sports direct in our stadium. and if mr king had to go along with the small print to get this far then so be it. Professional law teams ignoring small print . the very fact that is brought up as an argument for me tells its own story.

21 May 2019 22:33:35
We've been taken to court because the club (king) has broken the terms of a contract. To have avoided that the club (king) should have kept to the contract that the club (king) agreed to. This is costing the club money. Money which should be going into running the club, transfers. As much as I don't like Ashley, going up against him in court when your in the wrong is just mad. How much is all this going to cost the club?

22 May 2019 06:23:58
Molsgoals Mr King team could have play it different. All they had to do was get JD sport or the likes to pay a fraction of a penny in the pound more than SD. There was plenty of ways round it. By the way you said I was trying to use superior legal knowledge (I just read and listen to all sides of the argument) but then tell us King and the know about did read the small print- WHAT-that makes it worse. At the end of this legal stuff we will need to sit down with SD and work out a deal oh and pay compensation.

22 May 2019 06:49:29
RIOM

What you are suggesting is barely legal and effectively price fixing and would be against any normal tender process for any contract (that’s not to say it does not go on) . In any case I am pretty sure that when DK agreed the deal with Elite etc that there was no price given by SD as they had not been given the opportunity to match the tender bids by others. If this is truly a feature of the agreements with SD and is this simple, then who ever drew up this agreement should be sacked if they have not already been? ( some suggest PM) This is incompetence as the contract under these conditions could only ever go to SD or as minimum a contract which is shared between suppliers.

Problem with all of this no one truly know the specifics of the clauses in the agreement with SD so it’s all guess work.

22 May 2019 10:41:56
Barely legal mols
So what's breaking not 1 but 2 injunctions? . So King was wrong setting up with Elite when he knew he had to give SD a chance to bid- correct.

22 May 2019 11:27:27
Isle of Mull; by chove I think Molsy boy is starting to get the idea? Just keep at him and he might actually break and concede, what we all know as fact. King is a convicted criminal, he has spent little or none of his own money to be where he is today; he used gullible supporters just like Mols to acquire shares and power. He then goes off to do dirty deals with people who are far bigger stronger and smarter than him, attracting huge costs in litigation, which will, at this last attempt at trying to outsmart Ashley, will cost him or the Club, circa £10m.
Now Mols and the others on this site, what exactly have I written, or written by others and the simple facts can't you grasp? The next couple of weeks will be the most important faced by your Club since you were last liquidated. Wake up.

22 May 2019 13:11:32
The thing is hnh why do you care? You don't support rangers do you? This is a rangers fan forum. You and some of your buddies appear to be obsessed with all things rangers.

22 May 2019 20:03:29
RIOM

You may be absolutely correct but as I and others have said many times we do not know the full facts as none of us have access to the contracts. All the opinions expressed on here are simply hot air ( including mine) until the courts decide the outcome. Has DK made costly mistakes - yes without question but because he is footing the bill so he has more right than any one on here to choose how to deal with Ashley.

HnH and RIOM May be right in the long term but our trivial and forgettable opinions have no impact on the outcome of this contractual dispute. In the end if I am being asked if I would rather have a flawed DK or a clever Ashley it will be DK every time as Ashley has no interest in what’s best for Rangers.

22 May 2019 20:52:13
Mols agree with you about Ashley, but if think for one minute that King is going to foot this bill rearranged this banana boat, Clyde, came up, the.

23 May 2019 04:27:41
Dk is not even mentioned in the civil action so it's clearly your club who will have to foot the compensation and costs. very likely to be several million pounds.

Sd costs at the March hearing were listed as over £400,000 and there have been two further hearings since.

23 May 2019 19:24:18
Roim, I really do think you are just totally obsessed and if mr king came and brought us out of this in any kind of favourable way . you like hoh would be extremely disappointed. We waited months and months for Ashley to make an offer and none was forthcoming . that’s why mr king took the bull by the horns. If Ashley had his way we would not have had any new strips this season.

That is what I think he was counting on so the likes of yourself could have stirred up a frenzy to get rid of the board . I sometimes think mr king can never win and I find it quite remarkable that he has hung in there with so much apathy around. In saying that however I do realise that the apathy is coming from a very very small minority. Let’s see how many season tickets are sold. If Ashley had blagged our ground I defiantly would not have bought one I am sorry to say . As it is I got mine within days.

23 May 2019 1:36:13
RIOM

Who finances Rangers at the moment - DK and the 3 bears. They then recover the funds (unsecured loans) through a series of conversion of loans to shares through share issues. This is the model by which Rangers is funded so the point is that DK and the 3 bears are shouldering the commercial risk.

Is this a good and sustainable model for Rangers - definitely not but in the absence of an easy and achievable alternative then this is what we have regardless what you and I think. Make no mistake if Rangers go under DK will have lost millions in shares that are worthless not to mention the remaining unsecured loans.

Clearly and obviously the legal proceedings are with the club and thought this was obvious.

09 May 2019 12:45:41
Any dates yet for the next episode of the epic series King v Ashley.

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09 May 2019 19:00:09
your on the wrong site for that information mate . try the Tims site they will tell you they seem to know everything.

10 May 2019 05:48:34
Very soon. clock ticking, think of you.

25 Apr 2019 17:27:19
Surely there is a legal way to get Ashley of our backs? How did Debenhams get him out? Or am I wrong and everything is settled?

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26 Apr 2019 14:10:58
Just waiting for the High Court to decide on how many millions owed to Sports Direct for stuffing them over the merchandise scheme.

26 Apr 2019 19:24:37
What was the £x million we paid last year to get rid of that scumbag?

26 Apr 2019 20:25:14
Different reason I'm afraid.

27 Apr 2019 04:40:34
There's also a dispute in court to determine who actual owns the assets of sevco, that may take longer to resolve than the rangers v sports direct compensation case.

27 Apr 2019 09:41:54
Deary me, AHW your obsessed with all things Rangers, almost as if you secretly want to be one of the people!

27 Apr 2019 13:17:51
There is a legal way, but King favours another way, that's why you keep ending up in court.

28 Apr 2019 05:08:44
Blueberry. what pains you most is the fact that king spends as much time advising briefs than he does mismanaging rangers.

29 Apr 2019 13:42:23
what pains me is your obsession on all things rangers. I'd think you'd be on your own page talking about the 'Special One' becoming your manager! But no its all about the rangers.

29 Apr 2019 13:54:49
Better the talk about some special one coming to us in comparison to your failure under the anti Christ Steve Gerrard.

29 Apr 2019 15:23:00
The one that was here for 10iar jumped ship at the first sign of a challenge, it will be dregs of the barrel names like lennon that will be checking in at the dhims. Ahw spends his time on here trying to convince us that celtic are an attraction because he knows if he tried that over on his own pages the masses would hunt him for talking p1$h👍.

 


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