Rangers Banter Archive January 10 2013

10 Jan 2013 21:34:18
Can anyone tell me information on the "Beneliga" and if the league has been used in the past or is currently been used as I can't see much about it. {The Ed039's Note - It was a discussed merger of the Belgain and Dutch leagues that hasnt come to anything I believe)

Heard this on5 live tonight. Dutch and Belgian teams look at th e wealth from UEFA going straight into the top teams and leagues. Especially the English. They see the way the way Platini has opened upthe European championship asa step t opening up a European league for the smaller nations. Though they still see it asa future development but not the immediatte future.Not just Scotland feeling the pinch.

10 Jan 2013 20:28:44
Re ED039 reply at 16.43 today about a temporary licence being granted.
On looking back it states that the newco were granted a "conditional licence" but under article 4.2 of the rules this was illegal and SFA simply made this up. Even today Brechin could challenge this decision and would have a very strong case for compensation.
And why would your own official website make mention of this now, if they were not informed it could be challenged. Timalloy {The Ed039's Note - So you do agree with me that the top men in Scottish Football have been making up the rules as they go along, this has been the case since Rangers went into administration on Feb 14th last year. Its not Rangers the case would be against. It would be the SFA. This is what I tried to tell you)

It would cost brechin more that they made out of the tie. One thing that has beem proved is the Stupid Football Ass do make up there own rules.

ED 039. Would you agree that the reason the SFA and SPL were a shambles was because it was rangers they were dealing with? Any other club, excepting celtic and they would have been out. {The Ed039's Note - Dont try and put words in my mouth just to suit yourself, the SFA and SPL have been a shambles throughout this whole thing, and it is showing with this shanbloic reconstruction idea that has been pu forward)

Regan doncaster and lawell should be removed now they havnt a clue what scottish football is all about

10 Jan 2013 18:55:49
Now lets be honest, Scottish football is finished. The game here is run by people and imbeciles and thats putting it kindly. They are persons of an unbelievable magnitude. Charles Green is perfectly correct in saying Rangers need to leave Scottish football. Quite honestly I don't care where we go as long as we leave this shambles behind us.

But you can't go anywhere. Rangers have been part of the shambles, as you call it, for years anyway.

Where would you go? No offence but you're a team in Scotland's 4th tier albeit with a large support. I think it's time to be pragmatic and get your heads down work your way through the leagues making friends not enemies. {The Ed039's Note - Your post is very sensible, but this is what we all wanted and have been doing from the beginning of the season, making new friends on the way up, but there is something quite cruel sounding about winning your division but still being in the bottom of tier of your domestic set-up, albiet it doesnt alter the time frame it will take to return to the top table, it just doesnt seem right, but before anyone says anything, i DO understand it, its just this system has been done before in other countries and has sensationally failed)

And where are we supposed to go no one will have us and I don't see many options available to us.

The point that makes greens comments void is if green got his way of 3 leagues of 14 or 2 leagues of 20 or whatever the figures where rangers would still be in the same position and remain at the bottom

Just another of Green's nonsensical statements, best ignored as. Celtic and Rangers have been trying to leave the Scottish league behind for years and nothing ever came of it. The best chance was when big names and big money were at both teams. Now it seems like a pipedream, but Green with team of nobodies (with all due respect) is going to pull it off overnight.
Aye right. For a guy who claims to be a common sense Yorkshire man, he wants to start talking sense rather than childish rants.
Al

10 Jan 2013 18:25:38
Honest question..looking for sensible answers

Do you think CG is panicking ?

Agree disagree


Lenny {The Ed039's Note - I dont think he is panicking, I just think he opens his mouth and lets his belly rumble at times)

Hes panicking ... the clause on his huge bonus states promotion now if green doesn't see it as promotion as he says then will that mean he won't take his bonus ?? {The Ed039's Note - The bonus clause is worded something along the lines of promotion or moving to a higher division through league reconstruction, so he will probably be entitled to it as RFC will no longer be in the 4th tier but the 3rd tier of Scottish football. Silly to think a clever Yorkshireman like Green would not cover all bases)

OP - he has a 4.5 million pound shareholding in rangers, which will in all probability increase when we get back to the top table and european football, i don't think he is panicking

JG

He's worried because he wants to put season ticket prices up. Was in the prospectus. Now are the fans going to fork out extra to watch the same teams again. {The Ed039's Note - Quite simply put, yes. Fans have been through loads in the last year or so and there is no doubting their loyalty)

Jg how can it increase when celtic top of spl, doing well in all cups, and into last 16 cl, and gets shirt sponsor for three years and sees just 18% increase to £33million market share ......

and at same time rangers in div 3, struggling in all cups, no high value players, no shirt sponsor, and needs £10 million just to invest in players who may be crap..... is currently worth £60 million??? how can this possibly rise......

green shares locked for 2 years. but maybe he taking money from the £22. million pot........

JG. Do you think he will be around that long?

I would agree ed a lot will... but i got a mate who is one of yous he hangs about in pubs at the end of the night looking for female celebrities from a well known tv show or how he puts it " loose women " so when it comes to sprogs hes got a few 5 in total he could never take them all to the games but this year he got all five season tickets for not much more than what one adult would have cost how many others have took the use of the situation as he said himself its a one of chance because he probably couldnt afford to again

@4 it has nothing to do with celtic

we are currently at the bottom of the ladder and can't go any lower, my point is if we start to rise up the ladder then that should have a positive affect on the share price, that of course is conditional on how the company is run, increased revenues, dividends, potential earnings and all other factors that make share prices move
you also need to take note that green only owns 7.9% of rangers, he can't just take money out when he feels like it or the other 92.1% would be asking some questions (dont compare to CW he had 87%, large majority and although questioned could not be stopped)

@5 CG will make an exit sometime after the lock in period and when he thinks the time is right, he will also make a right few bob from it, thats what he came in for and thats what will happen unless he lets his heart take over from his head, which not many businessmen do

JG

@3 think this season was a 30% reduction from last season
did you not expect to see an incremental increase in our ST prices as we progress back up through the leagues and eventually reverting back to full price when back in the top tier?

JG

JG

Jg while you rise up ladder revenues could rise, so do costs, and spl level players could cost massively as need to rebuild spl team with 20-30 players. £10 million won't buy team to win spl.

so little change to grow share value in reality, and the director bonuses for promotion (£1million per promotion/league reconsturctio ) mean green and co well paid as directors, and bonused as gers return, sapping key money that would be needed on the pitch...

you have to compare markey cap against something else, or it two is just pie in sky, if not celtic who..... manutd, liverpool, lol.

reality it market cap and share price now highest it will ever be, lockins mean limited amount of shares trading, again this inflates price, so its a bubble, not south sea, but west side gorballs bubble

just need a little person (green) to burst it

10 Jan 2013 17:11:35
Ed __ can you tell me if a deal with sky is in place for next season i know we had to sign up to show our games with no payment to us as part of the bribe sorry deal to grant us a licence to play but im sure i read somewhere the deal is not signed any news on hat {The Ed039's Note - I dont think it has, maybe thats why they seem desperate to push through reconstruction deal for next season? Bring it to the negotiating table, the same structure that failed miserably in Austria and Switzerland)

Anyone reading the op would think a genuine fan concerned about the scottish game but the truth is you hope its not sky pull the plug and all the spl teams go bankrupt ... which is why no one wants you

@1 the op is asking a simple question and like your liewell you spin it around.
There is a deal still to be signed, end of.

Where does the op say he wants spl clubs to go bankrut? Or does your sheer hatred of everything rangers just force you to spew pure bile?

Am sure sky and espn have made clear needs to be exciting sporting challenge or they pay less, and two team league is boring and worthless

there are too many small teams who can aspire but never achieve anything, if best they can hope for is one win in 100 years no wonder they have no fans.... need more teams winning, and this will make celtic and rangers stronger, not weaker.

this will bring more fans, more sponsors and more success in europe which brings the bigger bucks.....

Your club despise everything about the spl so why else would you be asking ?? but anyway sorry to burst your bubble but lawwell made it clear the SKY DEAL IS SIGNED and are now looking for main sponsor so when the op comes on and says how delighted he is to hear it ill take it back but heres the good part ... now that spl and sfl are together no one needs permission from the rangers for the sky deal its already been agreed as part of the money distribution between both leagues and your club will get the same as all the other bottom tear clubs maybe thats why green is unhappy because your beloved sfl has sold yous out {The Ed039's Note - Deal is with the SPL which will disband under reconstruction, so dont blow your own trumpet yet)

The sky deal is in place so stop scaremongering. {The Ed039's Note - See my other reply to this post. Deal is in place with SPL)

To the first reply i never gave one thought to spl clubs going bankrupt what i wanted to find out was will the deal to show games that include rangers in the new set up benefit rangers ie will we get any money as right now we don't but if its a new set league set up is the sky deal a new set up thats all

Doncaster has said that the current TV deals, which still has two years to run, accommodate the new structure� but has said that discussions would have to be held with all relevant parties.

The current SPL TV deal runs until the end of the 2014/15 season. The money provided by that deal is understood to be guaranteed, regardless of any change, and underpins the financial distribution model being developed.

The sponsorship of the SPL and the SFL, by Clydesdale Bank and Irn-Bru respectively, are on contracts that end this summer so any new league could negotiate a new deal from scratch.
AJM.

The deal with sky is to show top flight football and rangers games do you honestly think lawwell would make that statement if sky didnt back it ?? or sfl clubs would agree if the deal wasnt in place ?? come on ed a man as intelligent as lawwell saying the deal is signed without mentioning it would expire at the end of the season ?? the DEAL IS SIGNED and their now looking for main sponsors to replace clydesdale not every chief executive is as dodgy as your lot THE DEAL IS SIGNED {The Ed039's Note - A wee bit of a complex there with ALL THE CAPITAL LETTERS, worried incase you are wrong?)

10 Jan 2013 16:33:28
hi ed, got to laugh at loowell, playing to the yahoos that support his club, we don't need anybody, our club can stand alone, yes sure you can, top of the most uncompetitive top league in europe and his fans are still deserting his club, struggling to fill ground, struggling to sell coporate boxes, struggling to bring sponsership to scotland, doesnt he realise he needs every club in scotland to be competitve and succesful to push celtic on, which in turn would bring more money in to his club and scottish football in general. football in this country is on its knees, fans are deserting 99% of our clubs, so silly bravado comments like his helps no one, not even celtic !

Top of the most uncompetitive top league in europe and his fans are still deserting his club, struggling to fill ground, struggling to sell coporate boxes, struggling to bring sponsership to scotland....

all this could be said for Green. div3 is most uncompetitive in europe as has highest winning margin ever.

I think he wants to bankrupt scottish football with the hope that the FA will feel sorry for them and let them join the epl.

Blueice

Was the league competitive when rangers outspent every club in scotland during the 9 in a row era?rangers fans weren't to concerned about competition back then....why the concern from you now?rather than worrying what peter says or does id be more concerned what charles is doing with all the 500 quids he fleeced from fans for a worthless albeit fancy piece of paper.

@3 Im sure Celtic didnt get 9 2nd places in a row, it was more competitive then than any time since IMO. CheltBlue

@3 what? don't you know? ah what the h@ll, no you probably don't know,

that worthless piece of paper if bought for 500 quid is now worth 642 quid today, and remember 500 was the minimum so some bears have seen there investment go up in multiples of 500

wow we really got fleeced there!

JG

@ blueice - remember he got caught last march having secret talks to try and get into the lower english leagues, timmy has conveniently forgotten about that

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/2012/03/18/celtic-in-secret-talks-about-switch-to-npower-league-one-in-england-102039-23793094/

JG

10 Jan 2013 16:12:02
Celtic 'not really' missing Old Firm rivalry - Lawwell

you wouldnt think so the way Celtic fans post on our page.

So what do you do? You start a thread about Celtic on a Rangers page, hmmmm?

Of coures Lawell aint missing Rangers it simple they know they can win the league guaranteed before it even starts thats why they are not missing Rangers so let them get on with it.

Well they won't since it will allow them to win the league all the time were not there.

10 Jan 2013 14:09:14
Ross Jack Elgin City manager said about McCoist.

'Jack said: "I am sure that Ally was disappointed at dropping a couple of points especially with conceding a late goal but he took the time to greet our players when they came off. When you consider their celebrations and the fact they went over to the other side of the pitch to wave to our fans he was kept waiting for quite a few minutes. That tells you a lot about the character of Ally and Kenny McDowall, who stayed with him, and our players thought it was great. A lot of talk in football is about money but gestures like that one showed Ally's class and what is good about the game."

10 Jan 2013 13:15:56
Chuckles had the chance to put a different proposal out there but instead continues with the rabble rousing which is his forte. He is a complete and utter fool who is playing up tithe fans, but no you can see even you guys are getting fed up with his rants. Btw will you guys be paying £500 for a st next season to play in the bottom tier again? This is the dilemma for you and for chucky as to whether he puts prices up

Why are you so concerned about rangers st prices? We will be playing in the third tier of scottish football as planned.

10 Jan 2013 11:00:13
ed are these muppets really voting for a league setup that starts with 3 leagues, then ends up with 4 leagues but only 2 teams win trophies-the top league and bottom league? {Ed001's Note - I really can't get my head round the proposal, it is just terrible and benefits no one. It is based on something that has been tried a number of times before, each time failing miserably and being scrapped. It is pure idiocy and anyone voting to accept it clearly has no idea about the game of football.}

Its so simple....

only 8 teams fight for Europe - when only 4 can get in.

8 teams fight for SPL, only 4 can get in.

8 teams fight for relegation. Only 4 can survive.

So 4-5th place battles key in all three mini-leagues. Much more exciting than any other setup where, in SPL rangers or celtic won most of games - so they largely meaningless.

Helicopter sunday was one exciting game in 10 years of only two teams every winning.

The SPL 8 team mini-league means to win scottish champ you really have to play well in last few games, will be on knife edge every season...

You don't need to worry about it chuck is taking rangers out of Scotland. What proposals would you go with? Don't say expand to 16 team top flight because that would see more meaningless games. Least this new proposes structure does have some sort of excitement with regards to playing for Europe and the play off structure. I agree it's a hard one to get the around but that dosnt make it a bad idea.

Why not just do the same set up as the EFA. Bottom team down and top team up. Others involved in palyoffs. I find that more exciting than this SPL/SFL/SFA idea. Spliting leagues is a mess and sorry it does nothing to float my vote. At work even the Cetlic lads are bamboozeled by it . We have bigots on both sides but the real football fans don't want it. There are some positive football fans on these sites who can oversee the hatred. Be a football fan and vote for interest in football not hatred and bigotry .
Hayes

The 10-1 voting in SPL killed scottish fitba, as no team would vote for playoffs and risk falling out of SPL - one up/down made it sooo stale.

Now 4 will drop, but those same 4 can be back next season. So its like parachute payments in EPL - but relegation does not mean full season in div1, but 22 games in div1, if you in top 4 you back playing with the bottom 4 SPL teams and can recover.

So we should see 2-3 teams entering the SPL each year, and 4 teams in div1 getting chance to playing spl level teams for end of season mini-league.

So the lower teams stand to win loads in this scenario, more games, easier route to spl, and therefore much easier (cheaper) route to europe.

Celtic and Rangers still have dominance, but will be harder pressed to win 9-in-a-row ever again...

Imagine a Old Firm game where loser drops out of top 8 ! Thats worth watching.... though may never happen.

Ed what happens if you come last in the bottom league would it be the same as in england you fo out of pro football and another team comes up

SM {The Ed039's Note - Part of the talks has been some sort of pyrimid programme where teams are relegated/promoted but it would be really difficult to implement, the whole non league structure in Scotland would need to be looked at in that instance as you cant have a Highland League team coming into the league and say Annan, a team in the borders coming out)

@4 it's actually 11-1 voting since 12 clubs in league and even after they go through with this loony idea which other nations have ditched there will still be 12 teams in league which no one wants .

10 Jan 2013 01:56:23
Can we agree and have posted at the top of this web page that
'this club applied for membership to the sfl which was accepted and according to the rules started at div3'.

Listening to the fans had nothing to do with it. It's not an injustice! And ffs someone tell charles green to stop peddling 'they dun us wrong' and the 'listening to the fans dun us wrong'.

CG-
A year ago we were being told, that we had to listen to the fans and Rangers were put into the Third Division � and quite rightly and we accepted that.

10 Jan 2013 12:05:45
Gers applied to the Sfl for div 3 because the Spls plans to parachute Gers into Sfl 1 at the very least was widely discredited by the Spl's chairmen (who buckled from pressure by their respective fans)

Technically you're correct in what you say, however the bit you missed is that when we applied to stay in the SPL we were refused because all the other clubs " listened to their fans " or at least hid behind that pretence. See quotes from Stephen Thomson at the time if you don't believe me

The fans are being ignored this time after all the "sporting integrity" nonsense since they've already decided on the setup of the league format, what's the point in any so called consultation with fans if they choose to ignore them now?

10 Jan 2013 00:19:09
Just a thought, the previous SPL requirement for all
seated stadium is to be "relaxed", does that mean that
standing room can be brought back?

I presume it does as they can't have one rule for one
And one for others, oh yes, they are masters of one
rule for others and one for Rangers.

One rule for Rangers ? Everything was done to keep you in football. FFS when are you going to get away from, a big boy done it attitude and face up to the fact, that you are where you are through no one's fault but your own
Tam

FFS and when are you going to get it into your thick head, we are not interested in your opinion ! R/R

OP you realise there will be no more SPL after this season


JG

@2 My thick head, it's a banter page anyone can come onto it. What's wrong plug doe's the truth hurt
Tam

09 Jan 2013 22:37:22
tennents too cut all ties with rangers our leader comes out and slates scottish football, tennents not too happy, they are a scottish company, when is mr green going too stop with these stupid frets, he knows and we know that we cannot leave scottish football, he is just playing up too the crowd,

we have too move on, we are in the 3rd division
and is only past people that put us there, mr green please move on, and stop playing up to the media, you are just making us look very stupid,

Tennents are owned by c+c who are a Irish company

That's one of the best post for I hope for the true fans that the others that follow him and all other antics step up and put him straight. Sadly he is not the only one that acts like that by your leaders.

I wish you had read all of Greens statement and not just the headlines. He has a point that if reconstruction goes ahead we may as well stop the season now as nothing will change. He also said he did not have the answer on the way forward but would explore options.
Green has a valid point that reconstruction will keep us in the bottom division, a division that hopefully by then we will have won at a canter. Of course we should still be in the top league in the same timescale but will fans really put up with visiting the same grounds playing the same teams that we have already. It could also have an adverse effect on any free transfers that were going to sign for us. We are one of the best supported tean in the UK you would think that would give us a say in reconstruction. Green is nobody's fool, he knows that TV still see us as a big deal, by speaking out he will make the "reconstruction team" take note.
I for one am delighted that we have a man who is standing up for Rangers. Granted he does have some rants but I believe he has rangers at heart.
Iain

@3 Green is no fool, then tell me who signed the deal that meant you would get no vote on reconstuction, oh that's right Charlie boy, why did he not stick up for Rangers when that deal was signed, was it because he knew that Rangers had no where else to go and his " investment " would be gubbed.
Tam

@3
1) "if reconstruction goes ahead we may as well stop the season now". Would the fans who bought season tickets go along with this?
2) "he did not have the answer on the way forward but would explore options". He could use his close ties with the Dallas Cowboys to join the NFL.
3) "reconstruction will keep us in the bottom division", but still one step closer to the top division.
4) "will fans really put up with visiting the same grounds playing the same teams that we have already". Rangers fans did it when in the SPL, so what's new?
5) "It could also have an adverse effect on any free transfers that were going to sign for us." Why? What has changed as you would still be in the third tier?

Put it another way, if your team have a slump in form and promotion becomes an issue, would there be the ranting there is now? Reconstruction could be a lifeline for Green's financial plans if Ally continues to be so poor as a manager.
Al

Green has a valid point that reconstruction will keep us in the bottom division..... b*******.

You currently in 4th tier of scottish football called div3.

But reconstruction would see you move into 3rd tier.

Only issue is that while you would play with 6 new teams, you would play with 11 4th tier level teams. But hey thats sport - its tough at the bottom.

Whats his solution. ranger go to spl now ? Laughable - not even full sfa member, you need to play for 4 years just to get a vote - wake up.

The contract is up... They are not severing ties cos of what CG has been saying