Rangers Banter Archive September 10 2011
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10 Sep 2011 22:34:09
the team i would have out for the old firm
mcgregor
McMillan boconegra Golan Wallace
bedoya Davis McKay whylde
Naismith jelavic
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Hope so, because Celtic will pump you.
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Greggsy
goian weir boconegra
whitty wallace
mcculloch
naisy davis mckay
jela
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Where is bedoya in this because a think he could do a good job and mculloch isn't up to the job anymore and near is Whitaker
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Jelavic wont be playing cos yous owe rapid money for him. He's not injured, its your club that injured, mortally.
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10 Sep 2011 22:15:36
What is going on with this page, clearly celtic fans posting pure rubbish about East Kilbride and the tax issue.
Every invoice passed to Ibrox should be queried by Mr Whyte and his team. Surely this is good business practice.
London Rangers??? can't see it every happening.
Could we please stop believing the dross in the press,Mr Whyte will see us ok. i'm not saying we are not going through difficult times but we will get through it
Please stop posting total and utter rubbish. good performance today. we are the people!
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Pal, there are just TOO many stories going about for them all to be untrue, or made up by Celtic fans, latest is Rangers have missed a payment of jelavic's transfer fee, what next. If Mr Whyte really is a billionaire as we keep being told, where is the money to pay all these bills? Sadly, by his silence Mr Whyte speaks volumes Timalloy
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Whyte's money will be in propery. He won't have it all sitting in the bank. I'm sure he can afford to pay these bills with what money he does have in the bank (i'm not talking about the big one) but he probably feels that he can avoid paying them. I'm confident that if he was going to lose out he'd have never bought the club. I'm not going to say we'll come out of this without a scratch, but in all likelihood we'll come out of it aright. I think Celtic fans must appreciate that these things can happen in sport - 10 years time, it could very well be the other way around. Muzz.
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10 Sep 2011 22:01:56
Really want Ally to do well but wasn't impressed again. Edu looked as if he'd finally clicked and he's brought off for McCulloch who is never in a million years a CM.
Also with all the administration talk with possible point deduction, suddenly not spending money makes sense.
Why spend money on players if we are deducted points and can't wim the league anyway.
No rumours here just a wee blether.
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Were top of the league stop moaning
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10 Sep 2011 21:56:45
C'mon let the demonstrations begin, we should be demanding the truth whether good or bad. Being lied to and kept in the dark is not good enough. Grow a pair Rangers fans and get down to Ibrox tomorrow, lets not sit back or we are going to lose our glorious club. And if we have been lied to Whyte should not be allowed to walk away from this!!
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What a fan-dan..... what is Mr Whyte walking away from? This mess is down to one man, Sir David Murray.
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10 Sep 2011 21:53:40
re/gers in administration.all those years ago when celtic nearly went bust,us celtic supporters didnt believe it was actually going to happen,apart from celts for change,and remember,we were in an even worse state then,than rangers are now.the board at celtic fed us lies,and most of us believed it,cos we wanted it to be true.we all know now that it wasn,t,but thats exactly whats happening at ibrox now.difference is,not one of you woke up and smelled the coffee.why?because you have still had a winning team,things seemed to be ticking along.you all got lured into a false sense of security.yes,obviously,i,m a celtic man,but it does us,or scottish football,no favours,if rangers go bust.seriously.i hope you get sorted.artybhoy
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10 Sep 2011 21:52:48
just reading what bain was earning,,,what moron ever agreed to give the sun tan kid that kind of dosh,greedy wee grub,doesnt care about the club afterall
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Short memory mate.martin bain worked wonders for rangers.i,m a celtic fan,and even i know that.
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Well Celtic fan your a clown if you think he was worth that!
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10 Sep 2011 21:45:21
well at least we'll not be getting bombarded with celtic fans as theyve made a new page called conspiracy talk lol
gav the bear
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10 Sep 2011 21:23:40
Read paragraph 8 of that Martin Bain thing!
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10 Sep 2011 20:16:41
Administration aside... Does anyone else have serious doubts over mccoist after today's game? Edu off, for McCulloch!! That is the single worst substitution I have possibly ever seen. Less than zero impact on the outcome of the match. Wylde off... And Ortiz remains until the final whistle? Insanity. I can only guess he didn't want to show too much of Matt McKay before next week to keep celtic guessing but otherwise leaving him out of the team was also a terrible choice. Thank god that wee blondie lost the plot and headered Clubfoot or that would have been points dropped! Ps let's start a worldwide shout out to all Gers fans to save the club if this fear mongering is true.
Rangers Forever :-)
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10 Sep 2011 20:05:50
When rumours started about rangers big tax bill rangers denied it... Turned out to be true. When rumours started about the 2.8m tax bill and sherrif officers being involved rangers denied it... Turned out to be true. Today rumours about martin bains court papers are denied as a whispering campaign.... Anyone see a pattern here?
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Yeah 4 in a row.........
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Where did rangers deny any of this? As i understand it rangers brought the £2.8m due to the attention of HMRC as they had missed it!
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10 Sep 2011 20:05:37
could not help hearing the idiots belting out the usual bile that keep getting us fines, or bans on fans and heres the rub giving all the unmentionables more ammunition to heap more trouble on us , if you love rangers stop singing these songs, if you cant stop singing them dont go and watch the rangers . aye ready
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What songs are you referring to? I was at the game and never heard any song that we shouldn't be singing. Since you know what songs are banned Can you let me know what they are? Plus let me know what we can sing?
We Are The People.
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The real question is not what songs can or can't be sung. The real question is, why is it that in 2011 people want to go to a football game and sing the Sash etc. Answer - sad little lives.
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You were at the match and never heard anything that should not be sung what a waste of a pair of ears if you care anything about the club you would know we cant be singing wether it be legally or morally wrong ffs ,what have the udr 4 got to do with rangers or the sash or no surrender its the 21 st century were up to our knees in legal battles not blood . gerforlife
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Ditto,,,fields of athenry,,,sad little lives....
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10 Sep 2011 19:37:54
Anybody know when the rangers banter page Christmas night out is. Keep it a secret from timalloy though, he's just ants at a picnic.
Oranjeboom
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Ha ha Oranjeboom Sooooo Funny!
Perhaps you will like this Mr Whyte is bringing out an album to raise cash
"Walk a Mile in MY Shoes"
Help, Ask me Why?,We can work it out,
The long and winding road,Tell me why?
It's all too much, Hearts of stone,
Easy come, easy go, and final track
Keep your hands off it, LOL Timalloy
(ps all artists have YET to be paid!)
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10 Sep 2011 19:35:45
It astonishes me that everybody seems to think going into administration is a bad thing. If we lose hmrc case the £24M debt reverts back to rfc. We will go into administration, whyte will buy back club for a song. Murray park will be sold to Ellis for development. Rfc will be clear of debt, no hmrc liability. The only down side is point deduction, which means we wont win the league, so no cl money next year. Here livings ton are waiting to see if points deduction, as they were relegated. If the fans are so worried then they should have done something for the three years we were for sale. But we sat back and did nothing. Rest assured there will always be a rfc
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What happens if another property developer buys the stadium and builds on it where does that leave your masterplan
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Yes there is loads of people looking to buy land in govan. Ibrox is listed building, cannot demolish or develop it. Master plan back in place
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Only the front facade of ibrox is a listed building.fact.
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10 Sep 2011 19:25:45
To all u that said wylde's crossing is awful remind me who left the goal on a plate for lafferty? P.S. if edu and ortiz play next week we will get pumped
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Yes, one good cross out of 20
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10 Sep 2011 18:51:52
rumour has it this used to be a rumours site before it became a forum. any chance of going back to the good old days when this was a rumours site. if you want a forum go to facebook - we are all keith lemon
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This is a banter page if u want rumours go onto the rumours page ya keith lemon
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The clue is at the top of the page where it says Latest Rangers BANTER FFS
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10 Sep 2011 18:49:47
Personally I don't think anyone would let Rangers go into administration. If you think how big a club like rangers are, there the most successful team in Scottish history. If Chelsea, Barcalona Man u were in this predicament they would be saved. Any thoughts? And if Whyte isn't our knight in shine'n armor wouldn't there be a possibility that his shares could be sold to someone with a bit of good money to buy us and pay back our debt?. I no whyte is in situation but if he had the money he said he did then why are we still arguing with Tax people? Any thoughts ED. {Ed001's Note - I can't see Rangers ending up in admin, the money must be there to pay the tax case or Murray wouldn't have sold. Whyte would have had to provide proof.}
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Do you seriously think that Whyte done a deal where he would be responsible for a tax liability of circa £40m. No chance.
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Rangers don't have a lot of money, we have plans in place to avoid administration, should the large tax case go against us. The Champions league was a huge blow for us, simply from a team point of view. I know that money had been promised to Ally for team building had we qualified. As it was, we had to resort to plan B. (McKay, Bocanegra) but have faith, they are good enough players. Anyway, what is really getting at people within our club now, is the orchestrated campaign which has been waged against us since last season. I say orchestrated, because people within the club truly believe that there are people motivated by their own agendas who are deliberately smearing the club. The campaign by FARE, by a nameless individual, the attempts to have Rangers thrown out of Europe for fielding an inelligible player, the leaking of stories to the press about the financial situation within the club etc. There are more examples. These attempts to de-stabilise the club have ranged from the ridiculous, to the malicious to the plain illegal! It is no secret that Celtic took a big gamble on winning the championship last season. Money they could ill afford was spent in an attempt to get Champions league money into their club. During last season, it was obvious how desperate the situation was, as every attempt was made to throw doubts on the credibility of match officials, league officials, indeed anyone who did not agree with their club. When our club won the league, it was a devastating blow to them. It meant that they had very little money to operate with in the transfer market, as has been proven. The situation at Celtic is every bit as bad as it is for Rangers. I say this because I know that the outcome of the pending court case will have just as severe financial implications for Celtic as it does for us, and indeed almost every club in the EPL. Almost every top club has been doing exactly the same as us for years and years. This is one of the reasons we believe we will not be forced to pay it. If we lose the case, and there is always the chance that we could, the club have made arrangements for the sum to be paid. But, and this is a big but; no club will accept the decision at the first step. There will be appeal/s because no-one will take a judgement against them, in what is in essence a test case, lying down. This will rumble on for quite some time yet. The one thing which will not happen is for Rangers Football Club to cease to be. There a lot of things we, as fans have no control of, but also a lot of things we can do to help the club. Buy our tickets to the matches, be there for our team and give them all the support we can, to enable them to continue being successful in the SPL.
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In his first interview when taking over RANGERS Mr Whyte stated he thinks we will win tax case, I do not know in's and outs of what is going on with fianance at RANGERS but I am going 2 point out something that I think has been missed by all who likes 2 discuss it, RANGERS still have a credit rating with lloyds bank if RANGERS were about 2 go into adminastration surely lloyds would not be sanctioning any new contracts for any players never mind signing players and knocking back a bid for jelavic so I can only assume RANGERS have a far better credit rating with lloyds now than they have had for many years
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Celtic won't be in any trouble with HMRC as they chose not to use the EBT system to pay players, This is a Fact and has already been stated on various media outlets. Our Taxes are up to date. We are are 500k in debt. RFC are 18M in debt and counting. Not really in the same bracket I think you'll agree. RFC's fate will have no bearing on CFC. Hail Hail
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And who are RANGERS 18m in debt 2 smart arse the bank above who were quite happy for Mr Whyte 2 take over club I am sure if some1 owed me 18m I would want guarantees before any1 else took on the debt
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To the Celtic fan who posted: you are as blinkered as some of my fellow rangers fans if you believe that you are solvent. The risks you have taken and continue to take, as you gamble with your clubs debt, mean that you are in every bit as much of a financial mess as we were when Mr Whyte took over. The only difference is; our problems are being played out through the media, due to orchestrated leaks from malicious sources, whereas, yours are not being highlighted, because those within Rangers have more dignity and would rather deal with our own problems than create a smokescreen and try to hide this, as your board are doing.
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To the original poster. What you are saying is simply not true. Other clubs have not been doing what Rangers did. Rangers misused an employee renumeration scheme in an attempt to evade income tax due on players wages and where caught out doing it. They were then issued a bill for tax due (any self-employed person or business owner can tell you that these bills are always called assessments) and they are appealing against this.
No other club (certainly in Scotland) is faced with this.
On top of that issue Rangers have a second tax bill that has yet to be paid.
Conspiracy theories are always entertaining but there are facts that cannot be denied:
Sherrif Officers visited Rangers regarding the smaller tax bill, and following their visit, a seven-figure sum was ordered to be ring-fenced in Rangers bank account.
Rangers were taken to court by their former lawyers and ultimately had to pay an outstanding legal bill plus a further £10,000 in costs. In that court hearing, Ranmgers former lawyers raised questions about Rangers solvency.
A newspaper which reported quite legitimately on the court hearing on this matter has been banned from Ibrox
Rangers have issued a statement condeming the leaking of the 'Bain' papers but have not denied any of the content regarding Craig Whyte's running of the club and his position on the 'big' tax bill, including Rangers' former chief executive's fear of Rangers becoming insolvent.
Rangers' former chairman and board members issued a statement to shreholders expressing concern about Craig Whyte's financial ability to take Rangers forward.
Newspapers in Germany and Austria are now reporting that Rangers have failed to make scheduled payments towards Jelavic's transfer fee (more to come in Sunday's British papers).
You may choose to believe that this is all some great conspiracy involving HMRC, Martin Bain, the Courts, Ranger's former lawyers, Celtic, the BBC and the Scottish and overseas press but is that really more likely than there being something seriously wrong at Ibrox?
I agree that no-one can be absolutely certain how this will all end, but is it really more helpful to your club for you to be looking to blame everyone else rather than demanding that Craig Whyte give detailed answers to the many concerns raised - not least in the Bain papers.
I would also genuinely like to know the names of any successful companies that Craig Whyte runs or has a substantial shareholding in.
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10 Sep 2011 18:45:50
Can anyone tell me when the
2010/11 Champions Leauge
monies (€18.5m) was received?
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10 Sep 2011 18:06:33
Apparently septic have got a young French striker on trial, future value allegedly £15 million. Lawell said to be personally involved with 18yr old Jacques Annori fairytale move
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That's a bit rich from a Rangers fan.
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10 sep 2011 17:32:04
listen guys theirs definetly something going on behind the scenes at ibrox all the stuff being said just cant be porkies,i think we all need to be worried, mr whyte needs to come out and tell people the truth and maybe people will appreciate him a lot better for telling supporters some truth of whats going on .i know david murray put a lot of millions into the club but hes put the club in the trouble their in, if hes any love still for the club help it out. its a pitty dave king is in the tax issue in south africa he would have been the guy that would have sorted the clubs troubles.
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100% agree - anybody who is not worried should be. Whyte needs to tell us his plans incase Rangers lose the tax, how are we going to recover? He must of had a plan a for losing the taxcase and plan b for winning it. We need our great club to be stable. If we are going into admin we could help whyte by raising funds etc, but the fans need time to prepare for this. All the fans would feel better if we knew the plans for all eventualities.
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You want Dave King, who is being investigated for tax evasion to take over a club that are being investigated for tax evasion. You just couldn't make this one up.
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Whyte does have a plan if Rangers lose the tax case, it is very clear and he made all shareholders aware of it when he took over Rangers. He transfers the Lloyds Bank £24m debt liability back to Rangers. Rangers not only have £40m to pay HMRC, they have another £24m on top of that as well to Lloyds.
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Good grief Dave King!!! You muppet! Some of the people on this site really worry me.
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10 Sep 2011 17:19:37
Guys, I hope we can put rivalries aside for a moment, and take a moment to respect Jock Stein, who's anniversary it is today, he died 10 Sept 1985.
He did so much not just for Celtic, but for Scottish football also. hail hail Neil T
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Respect where respect is due
Ger for life
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Ger for life, well said. Timalloy
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10 Sep 2011 16:11:28
The person who said rangers could go bust is a Celtic fan 100% and if we did it would be the death of the spl fact but we wont
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10 Sep 2011 15:41:11
It is to late told u months ago no1 listened, any time any1 asked about mr tight we were told shut ur mouth, u aint got a clue, give the man a chance, ete etc, hope ur happy way urselfs, now whose the 1s who aint got a clue?
The gers grim reaper
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10 Sep 2011 15:23:06
This site is useless now until the next transfer window, its going to be full of "Rumour has it rangers are going bust" :L
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10 Sep 2011 14:58:40
Why is nobody concerned about this law firm claiming fears for rangers solvency? This is not Celtic fans just a company that want paid. I have real fears now fellow bears - 2.8m arrested from our bank acccount by HMRC etc it's getting beyond a joke.. It's about time we were told the truth - rangers have ended their relationship with the herald and sister papers for reporting the funds arrested by HMRC - whyte doesn't want us to know - now we will be continued to be fed s**te by the daily record - we need to do something here guys before it's too late
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Get a life Jas............
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What can we do
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10 Sep 2011 14:52:54
celtic will take 5 off use next wk bec that was shi. today am a hearts fan and after watching that i now no we will finish 2nd easy
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Have you ever tried your hand at the Edinburgh festival? Your a f***ing hoot! We're pretty poor but your teams a laughing stock!
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Remind me of the score? That statement really means nothing coming from a jambo. We are pish, thats why you are below us in the league table. Jog on ya MUG
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You`ll do well to finish in the top 6.
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Rangers could play Hearts and Celtic at the same time and still win.
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You must be a cowboy coz i can hear your spurs
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10 Sep 2011 14:52:10
Wonder what the Blackpool clown thinks about that, will not be able to use his mouth as there is a foot sticking out of it
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10 Sep 2011 14:47:00
Does anyone else think that Wylde lacks confidence in going by a man ? The boy needs to use his pace more and start to get by the full back and deliver some quaility, maybe needs to stay back after training for some crossing practice. Just relieved to get 3 points at a tough midden, top of the league !! Rangers 'til I die
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10 Sep 2011 14:39:53
Back from the match. Actually thought Edu played well today, when he keeps things simple he does a job. He certainly covers a lot of ground nobody can deny him that. I don't know what folk see in Wylde. His delivery is shocking and he plays with his head down. People think cause he is fast and can dribble that he is good. Not at all. He would never make it in England because he's one dimensional and even then isn't great with it.
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You got a rocket ?............ or live in Dungdee ?............... Edu is mince and Wylde needs to practice crosses m8. 4 in a row
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You're obviously just a part of the anti Edu brigade. He never put a foot wrong today, some people just won't admit it.
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Edu looked far more composed on the ball and made some good decisions. Still needs to pass the ball forward a little more but i hope he gets better and better - the arrival of his fellow americans no doubt helps. Muzz
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10 Sep 2011 14:35:36
Why wasn't bedoya in the sqaud at all and broadfoot done better than wylde today hopefully mckay playes instead of wylde cos he is hopeless
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10 Sep 2011 14:29:02
to be fair edu n broadfoot had decent games
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Ah would have kicked broadfoot into the under 19,s after talking s**te about if hes no part of the first team he would be looking to go on loan , who the f..k does he think he is, ally you were to slow m8 letting him talk s**te like that on tv, junior player if he is, sorry to the junior football for that .
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10 Sep 2011 14:28:24
The person / persons responsible for bringing Ortiz to Rangers needs to get their jotters !! Okay, we won, but for long, long spells we were awful against 10 men ffs !!! We need to to start finishing when we are one on one. 4 in a row...................... MUST IMPROVE
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We never had jela today (admittedly he needs to work on his finishing too), if he'd been there i think we would have matched their result. Muzz
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10 Sep 2011 14:23:30
I dont see how anyone can say edu was terrible today, same with broadfoot they've both played well today and they give their all every gane!
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Edu was not terrible today, he just did not do anything, simple as that. It was one of his better games and still got almost nothing to show from it. DDU gave as good as they got in the center of the park. If you watch him closely his passing is poor, energy levels are sluggish. Granted he did put his foot in today but still not enough. He is playing a level that is too high for him. I thought he may turn in to a player at one time but now I cant stand him. Broadfoot was ok today but got shown up at corners that happens some times. He is a better player and adds much more to the team than Edu.
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Edu chips it through to naisy to score and he puts it wide.. Had some good passes... He went of mcc came one i seen 3 missed placed passes..
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Edu has low energy??? You really are a f*d!!!
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10 Sep 2011 14:12:18
Listening to the game, lost count of how Many times iv heard "a poor ball from wylde". What's the point in signin two creative player n nt given them a game, ones nt even in the squad. McKay should hav bn given at least half an hour. iv gt a bad feeling Dundee united are gony sneak one
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I have not seen the training sessions at Rangers, but surly they should get Wylde working on his crossing. Good ball for the goal but the end result is usually poor, but can be improved easily. Davis should work in his crap corners, Edu on his all round game and Ortiz on running up and down the park a bit more and getting involved. Bit of a piss take but you know what I am getting at.
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10 Sep 2011 14:07:47
Edu played well the day - gi the guy a break
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What game were you watching?
He was a passenger. He did not do too much wrong but did not influence the game at all. This is one of the reasons why DDU bullied us at times.
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Who said anything about Edu needing to influence a game? Davis is the man that should be doing that. You contradict yourself, 'what game are you watching' yet you also say he 'didnt do much wrong'' Which is it?
Clueless!
The fact is without playing that well, we still had good periods of play, and did what matters and scored! That is a fact, and all that is needed.
Rangers will only get better. Unless of course the administration stories are true!!
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10 Sep 2011 13:30:52
what a gash 1st half, surely McCoist has to take off Edu and give Mckay a run we don't need a holding midfielder, or even get Healy on and press further up the pitch, but maybe thats just too sensible
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10 Sep 2011 13:26:20
Why oh why we waited weeks to see some fresh players in this stale team and mckays on the bench bedoya don't know where he is shocking first half again and broadfoit us a cheating f***wirt hate that dweeb makes our team an embarrassment
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10 Sep 2011 13:26:10
Everyone stop bloody moning about Edu no being dropped !
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Why? He is absolutly crap. Why not moan about it?
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Spot on mate, he is s**te worst player i've ever seen. We are entitled to moan, this guy slows the whole team down, cant pass, cant run,cant tackle, cant shoot and has a worse first touch than Dominic Strauss and is an accident waiting to happen.
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10 Sep 2011 13:26:04
To all u clowns out their that said take the money for jelavic I think u may change ur mind after this dross, naismith is not a striker
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10 Sep 2011 13:17:40
www.soccertvlive.net/watch/82809/1/watch-dundee-united-vs-rangers.html
this is a link to espn to watch the game, great quality
mon the gers
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10 Sep 2011 13:10:25
Witty, Edu and Davis should be embarrassed to pick up their paycheque this week...
Witty – Got taken to the cleaners a few times down the line. Poor distribution.
Edu – Usual game, pish!
Davis – 30 mins into the game 4 wayward passes (normal but everyone thinks his passing is great)
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10 Sep 2011 11:29:24
has anyone got any links for todays game on the ps3
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My p2p
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10 Sep 2011 11:27:02
What are Naismiths goal celebrations all about anyone know ???
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One from the scotland game was for the young boy murdered in kilmarnock last week
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10 Sep 2011 10:58:27
Bears, take few minutes and go onto the Rangers media page. An article written by a Darchevinny is well worth the read, and this guy has got everything he is saying, spot on ! I can't find anything to disagree with and it should be sent on to the Management / coaching staff at Ibrox. the article focuses on fitness and basic skills, double training sessions etc : 4 in a row
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10 Sep 2011 10:45:17
My team when fit would be mcrgregor bartly goian bocanegra wallace/papac ortiz davis bedoya makay naismith playing behind jelivic bartly can plat rb and makay can play lm wit yous think
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No lafferty??
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10 Sep 2011 09:35:52
SSN info bar team news, Goian, McCulloch and Naisy all face late fitness tests.................... Naisy a doubt too? Something is wrong with the modern footballer, slightest knock and they are out. F**k me, they twist a sock and thats it for a fortnight !!! I hope this gives Healy the chance to bag a goal and lift his confidence, up top with big Lafferty? 'Mon the Rangers 2v0 tuo us, Rangers 'til I die onward and upwards Bears.
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Jezzo lol aye i agree mate some on £20,000-25,000.a week if I was getting paid that I'd be sh*gin the goal posts lol. Ger4life
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That should say PAPAC, and not McCulloch for late test, sorry Bears...... Still say 2v0 us tho'
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10 Sep 2011 09:09:04
Ed, What's the chance of our game being cancelled today? Rain is brutal!
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