Rangers Banter Archive April 13 2013

13 Apr 2013 22:01:02
is it just me or is ally just a crowd pleaser?he went from craig whyte, bill ng, american bill, blue knights and then charles green. I know he always gets put in the spotlight but he never said anything was wrong with cg. why welcome the investigation if yesterday they were pals. if he had any concern about green why isn't he telling the fans if they're the important ones?

Pedro how do you work that out, with the type of football he has his team playing even his family is saying time to go

Ally is not financially astute!

But its still 55 and counting

13 Apr 2013 19:24:50
Rangers fans listen and listen well, your club is going to have a independent enquiry from whomever is to do this will be picked from the board that was picked by green himself, it is a vicious circle that is going round and round, put a stop to this now the warnings are ther an enquiry only gives them time and and time is running out very quick, good luck your on your own only rangers fans can save what ther so pose to love so much

The commission will surely not be board members, they cannot be construed as "independent".

I can assure you sir you are talking utter rubbish sir. I can also assure you and let me be pefectly clear Watler Smith and another board member were for walking today. If there is even a hint of anything untowards they walk. Green has absolutly underestimated the power of Walter Smith and the fans now that the truth WILL COME OUT.

@2. Sorry mate but your talking nonsense. If nothing is wrong why the enquiry? if there is something wrong why did Walter not walk? This is a stalling tactic. for what who knows. let's see how long this enquiry takes before it even starts.

If Walter is so powerful why doesn't he walk away take the support with him and starve Chuckie of finance?

Walter was the one who really started the decline of Rangers, when the big tax case story was breaking he went out with sir david and spent 20million on players, and pleae don't tell me he didn't know how bad Murrays debt was with HBOS. Anyone who can read company house accounts could see what was happening if Rangers would of curtailed spending then and downsized a quarter the would of never went under. All they had to do was bite the bullet for around 4 seasons and then could of turned things around but no walter wanted to do what he does best and that's spend large amounts on money

Pathetic reply @ 5. Walter smith is a football manager. He accepted a position and expected the tools to do the job he was asked. That was pick up a confidence smashed under performing rangers. If he'd done what you suggested the fans would have drove him out long before uefa cup finals etc. Just like any old firm manager. Why put himself and familt through the kind of abuse he'd have got by sitting there taking a wage while the team was deteriorating further and falling further behind an ordinary Celtic? It isn't his job to balance finances. That was the job of sdm and Bain etc. Without the spending we wouldn't have won 3 in a row and actually got debt down.

13 Apr 2013 18:38:55
So we are the people. Does not seem like it reading some of these posts. Where is the loyalty in starving our club, me thinks the bears have believed all the propaganda from a clearly biased media and from others who simply hate us, come on have a wee think before you please them by infighting and shouting about not renewing ST!

Yup, OP, it's all the fault of Celtic fans and most of all, that dastardly Peter Lawwell, isn't it?

Propaganda? Have you seen the documents or heard the tapes?

How deluded are you. You all walked blindly into the CW debacle that was rangers. People warned you he was bad news but you follow followed and look what happened. Now you are doing the same with CG. Take of your blue tinted specs and have a proper look at what is happening to your club.

Ian

Do you seriously believe the scottish media are biased against your club?
what they do is kow tow so much to them that no objective criticism is ever made. this results in bad practice being covered up until its too late. the press had whyte as a billionaire, traynor now works for you. the truth will always be far worse than you are told by our media. that's your problem. you have been told about green since the start, but not by the media.

13 Apr 2013 17:35:09
Just reading that the rangers board has commissioned an independent inquiry into the running of the club of green and ahmad, won't get to excited as SDM did the same to look into Craig whyte. The rest we say is history

Just paying us lip service. This board is spineless and they should have had Green out the door!
The supposed "Rangers men" are no better as they collect their coin and watch the ship go down.
We're on our own bears, as Chuck D once said. "don't believe the hype"

Should be more concerned about the enquiry the SFA are duty bound to embark on now which could result in their revoking of the clubs licence to play because that's how serious this situation is now. if the SFA don't launch an enquiry given the recent revelations by STV of documented evidence regarding Whyte's involvement then other clubs would be perfectly entitled to advocate a vote of no confidence towards the association citing that they're no longer fit for purpose. in otherwords. Rangers internal enquiry is farcical as it's they who are the defendants.

OK so this panel are going to grill Greenocchio and Imran Ahmad for their version of events.

But any panel that can't and won't though be interviewing Craig Whyte is pointless and just Malcolm Murray and Walter trying to pass the buck and cover their backs.

The sfa couldn't question a cat ffs

@ 4, you are 100% correct regarding the SFA but but there are some very clever people within the game who are only too willing and able to ensure that they ( SFA ) enforce rudamentry rules regarding the granting of licence to play should they prove to have been granted under false pretences. to say nothing of the pending police investigation,, if that concludes that wrong doing has taken place then it's funamental. even for the SFA.

I don't need tobe an ex md to know that the whole POINT OF NON EXEC DIRECTORS IS CORPORATE GOVERNANCE. shouldn't be any bodyswereve/shoulder slopping time wasting enquiries. (Though it might help pay for the new car). Joke. Avarice, beyond contempt. How stupid do they hint the fans are?

@4) Can anyone question a cat? Try it mate, I'm going to predict it'll give nothing away.

13 Apr 2013 16:10:16
empty seats everywhere, maybe green will just walk away if we starve him keep it up gers

What happened at the so called directors meeting today. the silence is deafening. speaks for itself, fk aw is getting done, they know they're in the sh*t and they're going to delay it as long as possible. gary

@1 from the official site PB

"The Board has announced today it is to commission an independent examination and report in view of recent allegations in the media concerning the Chief Executive, Charles Green, the Commercial Director, Imran Ahmad, and their management of the Club.
"The decision to commission the examination was taken unanimously by those in attendance at today’s meeting including non-executive and executive directors.
"The independent report will be commissioned and completed as speedily as possible and presented directly to the non-executive directors of the company.
"The Chief Executive will not be involved in the conduct of the examination. The Board wishes to make clear that is not prejudging any of the issues involved and that the object of this exercise is to clarify the situation to the satisfaction of shareholders, supporters, staff and Board members.
"Instructions recently given to lawyers in England and Scotland with a view to taking legal action to challenge these recent allegations will form part of the independent examination.
"Also at today’s meeting, the Chief Executive of the Club apologised unreservedly to Board members and the wider Rangers support for any offence caused by remarks he made in an interview last week regarding Imran Ahmad.
"Mr. Green told the Board that in trying to make a point in the interview that, as Chief Executive, he would not countenance any form of prejudice towards employees or players at the Club, he had exercised poor judgement in the words he chose. He apologised.
"The Board accepted the explanation that there had been no intention to cause offence and accepted the Chief Executive’s apology. The Board is satisfied that the Chief Executive did not act in a racist manner but reminded him of the importance of all office bearers at Rangers upholding the standards expected by the Club.
"Mr. Green will deal with the pending S. F. A. charge on this matter on a personal basis. The Board wishes to re-iterate Rangers is a Club which is opposed to all forms of prejudice and has a long-established policy of working extensively in the community through a variety of programmes and initiatives to tackle issues such as racism and sectarianism. ”

Div 3 won on the pitch, but if admin event occurs can be lost in the board room.

Dunf - 2nd place in div1 - go into admin, now 2nd bottom.

so how many points needed by gers to secure div3 title - even with an admin event. ?

Just seen on your rumours site that radio scotland cut off chic young at five past four because he was going to elaborate on what took place at the meeting. WHY. AS I SAID. silence is golden, they're going to drag it out until they can think of some rubbish to feed to the fans. what a joke they all are, and i'm including ally, walter, and all the rest of them they all know what's going on but none of them has the balls to come oiut and say because they know that would be them finished, but it would only be temporary because when aw the rats jump aff the sinking ship the fans will remember who came out and told the truth and welcome them back with open arms.

Just confirms what I said they've told you nothing except they've let him off with the racial comment and the rest is going to get dragged out by some artificial board of enquiry, which will take ages and the end result will be. ZILCH. gullible or what.

Fckng spineless!
I don't give a s**t if he meant it or not. There is absolutely no place for people like Green in todays society. If I referred to someone that I worked with in that manner my a*se would be out the door before I could open my mouth again! The man is at best an ar**h*le of the highest order. He seems to think he can do and say whatever he pleases and is untouchable?!?! then again, why wouldn't he with a board that dance along to the tune on his fiddle. I'm thoroughly sick to the stomach of everything going on at my club and I want all these people out. starting with Green. Time to speak with our feet and our wallets bears. I'll never question any supporters loyalty but your intelligence is up for debate if you continue to finance this person and his cronies!

Dunfermline were never second in the 1st division. Nobody has mentioned administration stop scare mongering. We are 27 points clear even with a 15 point deduction if it did happen we would still win the league.

@7: 15 points isn't a standard punishment - the SFL decides on how many points, taking into consideration all of the evidence etc.

Anyway, the club has 17 days to provide audited accounts or there's no licence for next year.

@7 a second admin event brings punishment of 75% of your points last year - that's 34 points.

if so you loose div 3!

13 Apr 2013 15:11:28
I have said this before to an extent but as a Celtic fan and a football fan I wanted Rangers punished but this punishment of the fans is wrong and is being carried out by shysters lying and pretending to be fans.
The only way to stop them now is a total boycott until there is no profit for them to steal followed by a fan takeover with total honesty in every respect.
Jimbho

I agree it is the fans that are being punished but the present board have done nothing to clarify the situation and today's meeting will produce nothing to give us hope.
Bobby

Your wrong bobby action being taken soon

@2. doubt it m8. all this rubbish they're coming out with are all stalling tactics. wake up man. independant commission my eye. you need to get it into your head the only way your gonny get the truth is if the fans get af their arse and do something. STOP, AND I REPEAT, STOP believing the garbage they're feeding you or I guarantee you admin two is on the cards.

13 Apr 2013 12:26:42
Remember one thing. All the board of directors would have access to the information the fans need to know. Who owns Ibrox and Murray Park, Where is the IPO money and how much was actually raised, was whyte named in any relevant paperwork regarding Rangers? Why did they not look into this, as they have every right to do, and tell the fans the truth? This is a mess from top to bottom. No one on that board should walk away unscathed, if these allegations are proven, and I include Walter Smith in this. They have all turned and looked the other way. Time for full disclosure and truth.

Could you not say the same for the board last season tho. Mind they all said they were in the dark. Maybe the same this time.

@1 that's why no old board member should be back at the club, and all the current ones must be removed as well. They all seem to have turned a blind eye to everything. Why no questions if they had doubts?

You need a fans representative on the main Board. Minutes from Board meetings, EGM's and AGM's are acceptable in a court of Law.

13 Apr 2013 11:18:14
Just an idea Bears don't boycott today, go to the game protest if you must, but go in take your seats and 5 minutes after kick off everyone stand up and walk out, yes I know it is putting money into Greens pocket but its a far more powerful statement than just not going at all. A show of strength to show Green & Co who Rangers really belongs to.

What an incredibly stupid idea. Waste money going in to a game you have no intention of watching? Might work if the season ticket holders done it though.

Aye hold on and I'll drive the half hour into Ibrox, using up petrol as I go, to sit for 5 minutes then drive the half hour home. That's the single worst idea I have ever heard.

s20c

The guys trying to come up with an idea a protest without hurting the club but you lot keep yer nappers in the bunker why not xome up with an alternative rather than gee the guy pelters typical

Crazy idea,,, -- however, we need to stop going until we get the truth, - its going to hurt me but its the only way!

@ 4. rtid, watp, we don't do walking away. all your sayings, not ours, we are waiting for you to contradict them, just so we can mock you. lol. shammy

@2 Not any worse than the drivel you come out with, eh would you support Rangars if it was not really Rangers any more.
Tam

13 Apr 2013 09:28:58
Can I just say as a Celtic fan I thought it would of gave me pleasure to see my old enemy going through this and it has to an existent, but now it is just getting SICK it's like I feel like grabbing every rangers fan and saying wake up look what these people are doing to your club, its like it's being passed round like a blow up doll on a lifers wing, all I can say is get this timmy done this and timmy done that out of your paranoid heads and do some thing about this before it's too late stop swallowing lies and take your club back, jodrok

13 Apr 2013 08:20:01
Whyte turned Rangers into a 3rd division club and according to the press last week, thought the storm would blow over in a year or two and he'd be back in the Directors Box watching games. Delusional or not, how can a guy who grew up in Motherwell not see the absurdity of this? Fair enough if he came from a foreign country and didn't know where Scotland was on the map, but a few miles from Glasgow?!

It would be interesting to hear from any legal people on this site on the legal stance of Whyte appointing a front man in his attempt to gain the club back at the time of administration, the transfer of money into Ahmad's mum's bank account and the authority Whyte held at the time in refusing to transfer his shares to a group who had Paul Murray in it. If his actions were legal, why the hiding and why was he still able to call the shots on the transfer of his shares and not the administrators? A lawyer's insight and comment to this would be great.

McCoist says he doesn't do walking away and we all get that. The thing is we can't either, we're in it for life. Growing up as Rangers fans because of our fathers and grandfathers, we can't quit and become Partick or Falkirk fans, whether we like it or not. We're in it for life. Owners and CEOs can come and go and treat the club as their hobby or means to a quick buck but we've got the bug for life and are completely powerless to break the habit. Sure, boycotting Ibrox for a month or a season or whatever is a personal choice, but we'll all be watching the media, writing here, picking up the papers, tuning into the TV, the radio year in year out.

Our only hope is that we get back to governance by owners and a board of directors who also get the McCoist quote. Does being a Rangers fan define me? Yeah probably more than I'd like to admit and it's a life long sentence I wouldn't want any other way.

I agree with most of what you say, white got us put into administration but it was greens plan all along for liquidation otherwise they would presented a better case to get a CVA which would have helped all round.
Bobby

Your point about Whyte and the distribution of his shares is simple. He could do whatever he liked with them. He could gift or sell them to anyone. As for Whyte using a front man, he was part of a consortium that bought the assets, Green headed the group so the responsibility will be on him. This is looking more and more like a scam used in business every day. Sadly it is legal, it is also Whyte's business. I would be most surprised if he has not covered his ass comprehensively.

13 Apr 2013 20:57:28
Dont be so sure that whyte and green has played it slick they ain't untouchable, The Insolvency Act 1986 sets out clear rules in transferring assets from one company to another at undervalue to screw general creditors thro liquidation. Infact the act gives the courts up to 2 years and the the power to claim back lost creditors monies back personally from owners rather than the company if it proved that it was not done in good faith or if the assets were undervalued.

31. 4B. 66 Recoveries from directors - general

There are a number of different circumstances where a director of a company may be liable to recoveries by the liquidator or creditors of a company. In summary, those circumstances may be categorised into three areas:
�As a result of a breach of duty or misfeasance (see paragraphs 31. 4B. 72)
�Following misconduct or breach of a specific statutory provision (see paragraphs 31. 4B. 78 to 31. 4B. 88G)
�As a debtor of the company - an overdrawn loan account, for example (see paragraph 31. 4B. 84)

Key thing is the term 'misfeasance' and the fact if you are a oldco shareholder you are a 'creditor'.

Remember Giovanni di Stefano he was on to something


Wise auld Bear

13 Apr 2013 05:25:20
NL-
“He was saying we get four months of rain and snow. Well, we’ve been having that for 200 years, but 25-30 years ago we were producing McGrain, Dalglish, McAllister, Collins, McStay, McCoist and Durrant.

“My point is why are we not producing those players now?”

Well said. '

Xbox and ps3

X box and ps3 are in England too, but THEY can still produce decent youngsters.
Our problem is that we are a lazy nation with few REAL ambitions. We need to encourage the young and junior clubs by giving them decent support.
Strachan was right this week. All our exports to the English leagues are generally sitting on the benches and are NOT getting game time. the player mentioned like McGrain, Dalgleish, Law etc were FIRST choice therefore were playing competetively EVERY week.

13 Apr 2013 01:56:18
If they play in they streets
we, ll watch from the pavements

28 days notice will be required to play on the Queens Highway.