Rangers Banter Archive September 15 2013

 

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15 Sep 2013 21:04:37
As a rangers season ticket holder of many years I was having a debate at half time at yesterday's game against arbroath with many of my rangers buddies regarding what is andy little's best position ie. thru the middle or out wide, I personally think he's a good finisher and I think his best position is most definitely thru the middle, I like nicky clark but I think at this moment in time andy little is the better striker of the 2 and daly & little should be the rangers striker partnership, so I'm throwing the same question out to the rangers fans tonight, what do you guys think?Novo10

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Andy Little is a cf no doubt about it and not a bad one at that. Ally played him at lm and Peralta at rm against Arbroath because both can defend a bit. This was to compensate for playing two strikers which he hates doing. We had Mckay and Templeton on the bench (wingers)but don't track back so are bombed out. Imo we should play Little andDaly up front and at least one out and out winger every week. jmgers

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Andy Little is better at centre forward, but Nicky Clark scored a barrow load of goals for Queen of the South and the possibility would to play Macleod Law Peralta with Clark behind the front two. Templeton also can play in behind the 2 Strikers.
Selection Dilemma for Ally.

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Can't believe you debated this! Little is clearly better through the middle and should never be played out wide in front of Templeton. Rangers looked far more dangerous going forward when Templeton came on and it just goes to show how poor a manager McCoist is by starting without Templeton and playing Little wide

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15 Sep 2013 20:15:35
Can anyone enlighten me as to what James Traynor actually does to justify his fancy titled role with the Club.

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Have not got a clue, and I am at a loss how is salary is justified, to be honest he could have left and not one punter would realise.

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15 Sep 2013 21:32:06
@op sweet f all can't stand the back stabber

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It's clear, he helps spin the pr be that about celtic and other clubs or to all so that everyone thinks everything is ok in the club and to avoid the truth coming out. He makes the people who think the club is in the right and working fine as to not upset the masses as to what really is going on.

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Well said post 3 he is spin and you only need spin were theirs lies That tells you every thing you need to know about his job but most of all more about his employer

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I know what he does.

He makes statements like Media House don't speak for Rangers.

And then days later it emerges they do.

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Traynor blackmailed his way onto the Rangers payroll by threatening to break a story front page in DR regarding the whole CW/CG/Duff Phelps/Andrew Ellis and now current boards role in the systematic asset strip and defraiding of Glasgow Rangers FC. george (he was phoned by me one year ago and given all the details I recently put on Old Firm Long Firm flyer plus he is aware of the crooks behind this with Ellis/Whyte/Green/Ahmad/Mather/Stockbridge and DuffPhelps)

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6)
Traynor is gainfully employed gathering material for his book,

Look at his storyline

Plots

Intrigue

Back stabbing

Double crossing

Delusion

Lies

Greed

Naked ambition

Holding onto power by your fingernails

Brinkmanship

Toadying

Fantasy

Surrealism

Betrayal and broken trust

Sabotage

Comedy

It can only be a belter

PS - can you put names beside the headings - and you can't use the same name twice!

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N7 and he is getting a healthy wage too boot

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15 Sep 2013 19:06:37
On Ian Black situation We have heard from both the SFA, and from Ally and as a Rangers supporter i'm disappointed in what both had to say, the sentence was not enough to deter any other player from let's be honest? cheating.
Also i'm not convinced Ally was being honest in his interview when he said he has no issue picking the player. Well Ally I've watched this player all last season and I think the player has had more than enough chances at Glasgow Rangers. I witnessed the player give his own supporters in the east enclosure obscene hand gestures when they gave him stick for pulling OUT of a tackle.
The player is not Rangers class on or off the park.
Lets hear from the player now, let's hear it from him how sorry he is and how he has let everybody down. Most importantly let's hear what he is going to do to change his way.

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@op agree with what you are saying, I gamble on the horses and dogs and also the boxing, and you hear of jockeys not riding out, and boxers throwing fights, and when they`re caught it almost always ends up in a lifetime ban or a very very long one and I don`t see any difference in this case against black, okay he got a 3 game ban and a fine but that is never going to stop him doing it again, he may say he won`t but barlinnie and other prisons are full of people who say that.
and as for ally standing by him as he`s one of the team well that just doesn`t wash for me.
too many things getting held behind closed doors at ibrox, someone with b@lls should open them doors up and tell the fans what`s really going on in there.

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15 Sep 2013 21:10:02
Hi m8, I have to say I don't like Black one little bit and he simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny as a gers man. not a bit, I would however like to say the only article written on this matter I actually totally agree with was written in todays mail by none other than "tam cowan who said he basically can't believe the nonsense written and said about Blacks indescretion, I agree, according to Cowan the evidence is laughable, one was betting hearts would draw with liverpool, when he wasnt playing, another against m, well when he wsnt playing and another when he had a draw in the gers game he came on as a sub and scord in fior us I might add, now could it be? given the evidence that Black being a footie player didn't realise he cpouldnt bet on any games,? could he have believed he could bet on games he wasnt playing in? and thought as he was a sub it would be ok, Ludicrous I know but McCoist hant put his neck on the line for nothing here surely, and Black ain't know "Prize asset" is he, however I agree I don't want him at ibrox, but as a daily punter i'm slightly uncomfortable with the apparent uproar and gasps from sum people, (now Lennons stuck his oar in after saying he wouldn't be talking about Rangers again ), I have a cousi who was aberdeens leading scorer in the 80, s a sellik fnatic, I used to put his bets on sellik every week, inc when he was up against them, I know it don't make it right but we really need to get back to the big issues at ibrox, not blacks coupon, and maybe now the union bears will stop cheering when the person slaps the badge on his jersey
Tommyblue

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How is it cheating? Don't get me wrong it's out of order to bet against your own team but he hasn't cheated.

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I agree with this post. Black is not Rangers class. He is a thug on the park and appears to have little in the way of morals off it. Reminds me of that other thug Joey Barton. For goodness sake McCoist get a grip!

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@2 big deal Lennon put his oar in! Why "people" like you are so obsessed with this guy beggars belief and you should try growing up!
The fact of the matter is mate, it is against the rules for players to bet on games! Why the feck is that so hard for "people" like you to fecking understand! I am sure a "person" like you would be jumping up and down if it was a Celtic player and icy it deny that I call you a liar! Let alone if it was Lennon, god you and your ilk would be falling over each other to jump up and down!
Or, is this because it is a The Rangers player and for some reason as the past couple of years have proven that you are above the law! But I understand that it must be hard to have all of this "news" dragged out inths open whereas in the past it was kept safely indoors with the help of a friendly media! Welcome to every other football supporters out with your two rancid clubs mate!

You TB, want to start growing up mate!

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16 Sep 2013 22:00:50
@5 one more thing kiddo, I mentioned my couson a big sellik man and me putting his coupon on! Where did I say I would explode if it was a sellik player? Think you just made a statement because that's wot ure like eh pal? Hoho

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Worst kind of whitaboutery

Black is a clown who admitted he cheated
SFA shirked their duty and handed a paltry punishment that amounted to a weeks holiday without pay

To suggest that, because your cousin did something similar 30 years ago it is somehow justified, is obscene.

Have the guts to say its wrong and condemn the fool for bringing the name of the club into the gutter.

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15 Sep 2013 12:23:29
On the black issue, what about all the punters that had there cash on the games he was involved in. A no for 1 I wouldn't place any money on a game that 1 of the players had a bet on unless it was the same bet as him.
Could in theory people not ask for there money back for those games as they wer compromised

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Op)nip into your bookies and let them know your theory I'm sure they will be more than sympathetic with you. Be sure and let us all know how you get on.

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Lets get it straight 2 of the 3 games he bet on he was not playing, in the third he was on the bench, had bet on a draw, came off the bench at2-2 and scored to make it 3-2, yeah you should obviously go and ask your bookies. And if you have ever bet on junior games ask bookie about them also since to everything under the jurisdiction of the SFA, including amateurs the rule applies. I can see this escalating where every bookie with a gripe against any player shops them.

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15 Sep 2013 16:34:11
one glaring point op, the bookies don't have rules on a punters job, they just take or don't take bets. duh {Ed001's Note - actually that is not true, they will refuse to take bets if they know a person is involved in betting against themselves. When my grandad was on the ambulances, for instance, he would often get given substantial amounts of money by jockeys to place bets on other horses. Sometimes they just wanted to up their own odds, but there were times when they seemed to pull their own horses in the race. It is seen as a the next step to fixing the event. So bookies do have rules on a punter's job.}

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@1 did I say I had bet no! Just asking a fair enough question
@3 ok buddy

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15 Sep 2013 17:23:12
Just imagine--
in a couple of years time it's a helicopter sunday and both rangers and celtic can win the league.

We have to beat say Ross County to lift title and just before the game Black let's out the fact to Ally that he has put a bet on the draw.

Would Ally have no problem with this or not.

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The sfa should be asking all bookies to hand over any account details on any registered player in Scotland

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Do you really think Black will still be around in a couple of years?

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15 Sep 2013 19:22:12
@op, I am very sorry if my post came out all smug m8, I didn't mean it too and I will always say when i'm wrong, what I meant was, Ed, this is a discretionary point, the bookie shouldn't have any way of knowing a mans profession, they make a discretionary decision,, based on size of bet, betting patterns and so on, I didn't think they had set rules on this, if they did the rulebook would be miles long surely? {Ed001's Note - they just don't want people in a position to affect the bet they are placing, when it could lead to them being stung for lots of money. It is not about right or wrong, they just don't want to lose money. Would you want to run a book on a sport if you thought participants were betting on a particular result that wasn't for them to win? If they are betting on a win, then you would just see it as a good thing, that they are going to go out there and try their best and it is just another incentive. Betting against yourself gives you a reason not to put your all into the game, even deliberately try and lose. Even if they participant is putting in 100%, it will always be questionable, especially considering the number of times that match fixing has come from gambling.}

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Re 6) spot on. But can you imagine the amount hitting the fan. Seriously I would very much doubt if this was a decision taken by the top men at a bookmaking company, I would suggest it is an individual who got the ball rolling in some way,

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@8, you spoke about it being different if they are betting on themselves to win, but that ain't what the rules say.

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@5. Hit the nail on the head. Professional footballers should not be betting. Your point is that just because the matches didn't mean much to ally its ok, so where does he draw the line?

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16 Sep 2013 22:05:04
I never mentioned it would be ok if he bet on himself to win, were did u read that?
Tommyblue

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Ed you said to n3 that bookie won't except bet when pro is betting against himself he took the bet from ian black will he refund him {Ed001's Note - why would they? If Black is breaking the rules, he loses his money, end of.}

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