Rangers Banter Archive August 16 2013

16 Aug 2013 20:30:58
more shares today to easdale. have posted or replied to posts a number of times in last few days [with no success being shown] saying why does everbody assume this means a plus for green, I say again I believe he is heading for a bloodied nose.

The speculation is that he is planning to sell some of his shares to Easdale, he is seemingly locked in (cant sell them) till December, do you think if Easdale votes against him that deal goes ahead?

Gaz

@ gaz he maybe locked in but he can still put the deals for his shares in motion the now

@2) I know, my point to OP was that one of those supposed deals was with Easdale. Which is the likelier, businessman you deal with votes your way or businessman you deal with votes against you? If our instinct has Easdale voting any way, it is surely WITH his business colleague no?

Gaz

Green sold shares to them and was pictured at their bus depot last week for a meeting. I would think it would be a surprise if they turned against him.

Eh, Easdale voted Green back in against Walter's wishes, hence resignation.

By the end of this, Easdale will be the new SDM.
But he won't own the assets.

16 Aug 2013 17:21:44
Go on Ally, give your endorsement to the support, all your other endorsements have been fantastic!

Green & Whyte; need I say anymore!

"Ally McCoist has said that he is not against the idea of some level of fan ownership at The Rangers. "


The wee fat cheeky chappy is a Celtic legend!!

Just listened to mcCoist on tele re fan ownership. I don't have a 100% view on
it, but if it happens i'm all for it, explain that one ally. jimbo

Fans own 7% already. so that's no issue, or does he means fans need to buyout green?

Simple explanation. Keep yourself on side with everybody just like he always does. I hope the Ally defenders heard it.

Op that's the first time anybody has called neil lennon the wee fat cheeky chappy lol

16 Aug 2013 12:49:08
I'm sure that those posters who suggest that McColl doesn't want to risk too much of his money on a stake in Rangers.
However, he does seem to be prepared to put his name forward to lend credibility to any group who wants to overturn the Green board.
The best thing we as fans can do now is to stay united in opposition to Green and his acolytes and Quislings.

My apologies.
The first sentence of my post should finish with, "are correct".

McColl isn't doing nearly enough. He'd sit back and criticise and allow it to go bust again before putting in money.

@2 if green. and imrans plan is take £8+mill out each year, will not leave war chest to improve team and rebuild.

Why should Mr McCall do anything when the fans as a collective group continue to sit on their hands and do nothing.

We should not go back in to Ibrox but remain outside for every home game until every member of the board has been removed. One person doing this is meaningless but 40,000 fans will send a very strong message which cannot be ignored

@4 40000 fans buying shares would send a stronger message

Jg

16 Aug 2013 20:55:33
would be fantastic if that hapened number 4 but let's face it won't and we'd be lucky if a few 1000 did so.

3)
I don't think you have grasped the scale of the problem - If IA and CG take any more money out, then Rangers will be playing in the pub leagues next year.

On the positive side - it will still be in front of 30,000 at Ibrox

Jg fans paying green even more money for worthless share does not solve problem, you don't feed letches more blood you burn them off

16 Aug 2013 12:01:55
I'm not talking about the whole "Scotland's most successful club" debate here. I'm talking about being a big club.

Are you a big club if your revenue is X and your expenditure is X plus upwards of £15m?

Last season your income was seemingly £12m ST, Green claims he raised £34m (no one has challenged that figure once this week). And whatever other cash was generated from game day incomes, tv, SPL, sponsors, merchandise etc. Conservatively how many more millions for that £5m-£10m?

So in total last season the clubs revenue was over £50m. Including this season's revenue so far, as of August 8th Stockbridge says the club has £10m. meaning that come the end of the financial year (June 30th) Rangers possibly had £5-£6m left over from last season. It doesn't take a genius to work out therefore that they spent approximately £45m last season. There were a number of one off payments but I'd say as a bare minimum it takes £30-£35m to run Rangers based on last season (bear in mind if Sandaza's wages were incremental £4k, then £6k, then £8k etc then most likely so are Templeton's, Black's etc).

Revenue for this year doesn't include Green's consortium's investment nor the IPO. Right away you have a hole of £34m. Sure you may get a very slightly bigger amount from the SPFL but we are talking washers, same applies for sponsors presumably but it still leaves a gap of £15m-£20m above and beyond all revenue streams.

That is not a big club, which begs one question, why are you, to this day, acting like one?

Gaz

16 Aug 2013 10:49:08
Baby Hateley coming to Ibrox. What a joke. All Old Pals acts. What a farce of a club. I wonder if Ally can get in contact with Terry Hurlock, he might have a son who needs a job. Probably be good at kicking people too.

Is this Mark's reward for his loss of his PR wages?

16 Aug 2013 13:53:09
Ally's like this wife I saw last year on the telly, the bailiffs were threatening to repossess her house, she owed serious dosh to all her pals and family, debt up to her eyeballs but she still couldn't resist buying a new pair of new shoes. Beyond a joke.

16 Aug 2013 11:38:44
I am going to have a go at all the bears who are now complaining about buying a season ticket and put my point of view across

You bought a season ticket to support the club and to go and watch the rangers at ibrox for 18 league 1 games at a discounted rate than 18 individual tickets would have cost

You can now use your st to go and watch 18 league 1 games (with a much improved team on the park), that's exactly what you bought, it does exactly what it says on the tin, why are you complaining

Are you saying your 250 quid has been stolen?

Ok we all know that money is not being spent correctly by management and some main shareholders are unhappy but if you had bought 18 individual tickets then that is more money you would have handed over, unless you tell me the directors and all can steal st money but not ticket money

ok got that off my chest, look forward to the usual nashing of teeth and wailing responses

JG

For once I actually agree with you JG.

Myself and others warned that as soon as the season ticket money was in then the spivs could do whatever they liked only to be told, for example that that wouldn't happen with Walter there.

Holding back ST money was the best chance of the fans being able to have at least some influence over the spivs but 99% + of them blew it.

Sorry guys but everyone who renewed STs has to bear some blame for the current situation.

With individual tickets we could have voted with our feet with regards to how the club is run. By paying up front for discount and then finding out all this crap afterwards means we have been taken for a ride.

JG - are you a silly man? The difference is the money was paid up front. In one go. Gone. Big difference between buying an ST and a Match-Day ticket. Fans were Gubbed my Smith and McCoist into a rosy view of all things Rangers. Season tickets sold - Smith "walks". Green banks. There won't be 18 games this year at Ibrox. Busted way before 18 games.

Not posted in a while as quite frankly I'm scunnered with the endless merry-go-round of futile debate. However, I do feel this is a different enough post to comment on, and one which I agree with in part. I will therefore reply with no gnashing or wailing.
You are spot on regarding what you are paying for J. G. You pay for these games and you get access to these games (assuming admin 2 doesn't hit by Christmas, although honestly I think this is unlikely).
Anyway, I digress, the point is I agree with that part of your assesment and I too feel there is yet again no point in simply moaning on here.
However, as you'll know I have had my fair share of indecision on here with my heart ruling my head at times and a few changes of opinion. That is my right as these are my opinions and this is my cash.
My problem when I renewed was the subsequent return of Green and departure of Smith. With chaos resuming before our eyes I felt like a fool for believing again that things would be ok and we could just go to watch the football. To me my season ticket was less about getting to watch 18 games and more about me endorsing the regime in charge. That didn't sit comfortably with me as no matter what I think of the football or the team I do not want to be part of this psudo Rangers that we have with these men at the helm. It is for this reason alone that I decided not to moan, whine or gnash teeth. I chose to take a personal stance. I called Rangers prior to the season opener and advised them I wanted to cancel my season ticket, citing the reasons given above. I was told I had to put it in an email so this is what I did. I heard nothing back and the season began. I didn't go to the Brechin game but I watched it on telly, happy to see the boys play quite well. I then made follow up calls/emails to the club reminding them that I had not used my smartcard and that I wanted an answer to my cancellation request. Eventually I got the answer to my request in the form of my money refunded to my card (minus £30 which I assume is some sort of admin fee). I don't know if this happened due to Rangers themselves making the decision or if it is because I instructed my credit card company to recall payments and not to authorise any further payments but either way I am comfortable with my position. Otherwise there has been no contact from the club to find out why but in talking to staff at the ticket office it was clear I had not been the only one making this request as they were "waiting on the powers that be making a decision on these REQUESTS"
Essentially what I am saying is this, each to their own. God knows I've changed my opinion loads of times and I'm not about to tell people what they should do with their cash. If you can be comfortable with getting what you paid for that's great. I kind of wish that I could just focus on the football but unfortunately I can't; and there lies the real issue. We are divided as a support and it's because of this that these men in the hotseat are laughing all the way to the bank. There are none of us who should have to be making these decisions, moral or otherwise but there you have it. If I am the only one who has decided to do this then so be it. I certainly feel more comfortable now that I've cancelled than I did when I renewed and that says it all for me.

Baybear, You have just explained exactly how I feel. Difference is I have not asked to cancel my season ticket yet. Unlike you, my heart continues to rule my head agaisnt my better judgement but don't know for how much longer. What I do know is that only the fans can halt this by direct action so I will continue to go in the hope that 40,000 fans do not go into the ground on a Saturday until the full board are removed

I'm quite sure that took a lot of soul searching Baybear but your final sentence gives you your own answer. Whatever happens from here you took a principled stand and I applaud you for it.

Gaz

@ baybear well done mate it wouldn't surprise me it being rangers taking the £30 also mate a really don't know why a lot of fans happily gave there money to these men it's nothing to do with Walter or ally with people renewing because am sure 22k did by the deadline it's the other 12k of fans like yourself who thought that we wer sorting everything out then the Yorkshire snake gets voted back after a requisition was served to get rid of his men and I don't get how most fans are continuing to let them keep the fans divided

@5, 6, 7 Just felt the right thing to do. I won't pretend It wasn't gutting but I'm glad I took this personal stance, regardless of how insignificant it may be in the grand scheme of things. Got to be honest, expected to take pelters for this decision. Maybe there's hope for us as a unified support yet?

You'll be able to glance in the mirror and look yourself in the eye Baybear. When RP McMurphy (Jack Nicholson) fails to lift the big sink in One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest he goes back to the rest of them and says "At least I tried, god dammit. "

All you need is a six foot ten native American and your quids in mate :)

Gaz

@ baybear I really hope we can unite it really is the only way we only need one person to stand and I'm sure it will go from that one person to all the fans standing together pushing in the right direction

@9 a very apt comparison Gaz. This saga has felt like One Flew Over The Cuckoos nest at times. At least I've managed to just about keep my sanity.

. "come on Tonto, we're off. Those jam sandwiches won't wash themselves will they!"