Rangers Banter Archive July 01 2012
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01 Jul 2012 22:15:10
If rangers do get into the 1st division which is not right, then Naismith and such couldn't help the team they love for one season?
We stood by Naismith for months at end for his injuries and kept him financially safe! Like so many players, rangers could have let him go!
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You can't just get rid of someone because they are injuried, what planet you on?
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The insurance companies will have paid Naisy's wages when he was injured.
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Players are hard to sell when injured. And when he's fit he's a great player. Catch 22.
Shug
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He was injured playing for Rangers. Hardly "standing by" him. Anyway if it's SFL3 you won't need anyone of Naismith's calibre.
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Good point but we aren't in Div 1, or any division. How long was he meant to wait with an offer from Everton on the table now.
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It's the third division, read the Scotsman today.
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A) He was injured PLAYING for you.
B) Insurance paid his wages. This is what sports INSURANCE is for.
C) They already took a wage cut for the club.
D) A lot of Sevco fans are (quite rightly) apprehensive about buying season tickets because of the ambiguity surrounding the club. So how can you blame the players for the same thing? And all this nonsense, they could have stayed and got us a fee etc - what about the players who couldn't get a club to pay a fee for them?
E) Finally, you haven't even paid for most of them, so you have a cheek to demand payment.
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4) I'm afraid he was injured trying to injure a fellow professional (Rob Milsom), which he got off scot free for!! {Ed039's Note - So you think he was trying to do him then?)
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01 Jul 2012 22:08:36
am no beeing funny but why does it always take the spl or sfa ages to make a decsision this need to be rectrified quicker decisions quicker outcome for our club this need to happen scotish football is a mess
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Never mind the SFA, what about HMRC and the Big Tax Case tribunal outcome? That was due out 4 months ago
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It's more important that the correct decisions are made rather than rushed wrong decisions.
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There's nothing funny about it. All the suits were brought up on a diet of succulent lamb and can't get their heads round the fact that the world has changed. They also can not cope with the fact that the internet means ordinary Joes can make their voices heard and stop the plots to slot RFC back in at the highest possible level.
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01 Jul 2012 21:23:53
If Rangers end up lossing any decision agains t EBT then should the 'financial advisors' who recommended the scheme and charged £7m in consultancy fees not be held liable and sued for any amount which may or may not be reclaimed by HMRC
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No, because Rangers failed to follow the advice they were given.
That is the whole point. If Rangers had operated the scheme correctly there would not be a problem.
Mac2.
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Well, "giving bad advice" is not really a crime.
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No if the adviser is properly registered then it does not matter. They give an opinion and cannot be sued for it. Its a bit like endoment policies if you were sold yours by an "independant financial adviser" then you are due nothing.
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No they only advise its up to the club to implement.
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The general principles of the law of delict apply where a person causes harm to another in the course of his trade , business , profession, the person harmed will usually be a client or customer of the defender(financial advisors) if so then the pursuers primary remedy will be to sue the defender ( financial advisors) in contract. Inevitably the defender will have assumed responsibility for the interests of the customer or client and the customer or client will have relied in the defenders expertise. Unless the terms of their contract expressly negative delictual liability the defender will also owe the pursuer a duty of care to prevent economic loss arising from the defenders(financial advisors) negligence, where the client and professional are directly linked by contract , concurrent liability in contract and delict can arise. In other words those that are saying the financial advisors are exempt are talking total nonsense.
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Of course they can be held accountable!! And IF Rangers were given bad advice then they could take their case to the Finincial Ombudsman!! Please don't pretend to know about an aspect of this very complex matter if you don't, you'll only make yourself appear foolish!
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No3 - nonsense. There can be ramifications against an IFA for poor advice. IFA Glasgow
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01 Jul 2012 19:26:44
I really wish Smith would push off. All this going to the press with his grand plans of what could've been is insulting to fans. There's a new club now Smith was part of the old corrupted mafia that ruined rangers and trampled it into the dirt. Go away. Never come back you can never find redemption now.
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That's a bit harsh mate,
walter smith is a rangers legend
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Never thought I'd say this but he's not the Rangers legend I used to think he was. McColl, Park and Walter had plenty of time to put a bid in during the preferred bidder process. It never came
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People that's pushed disagree exsplain?? Ulster bear
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No i agreee with the first poster walter smith was part of the old regime and is to blame along with david murray and martin "like my tan" bain.
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He'd better do his best to keep his legend status then. We don't want him as a fallen idol instead.
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Well he has already in effect, 'pushed off'. You don't have to read his newspaper interviews.
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Agree where was he when we really needed him sat back and watched us die.Just eff off walter and broon we support green the only one who has put his money were his mouth is
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Where was Walter's loyalty when HE went to Everton. Now, will all you Walter fans lay off Naismith for wanting a move?
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01 Jul 2012 18:18:10
Is it still the big sky switch off wednesday?
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Is this the non Gers/NEWCO fans who are doing this hope so im in ?sky will crap their pants when they see how many wrestling fans etc dont give a monkeys about SERPICO O SORRY SERVICO...
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01 Jul 2012 18:15:20
Just heard Broxi bear has said no to Newco and has gone back to Drummond Safari park....JohnnyG
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OMG and all this time I thought it was a guy in a suit.
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Thats a shame he could have got a game up front in this squad
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01 Jul 2012 18:15:12
I would like to ask the fans who they think is the biggest roaster. John bombed out brown or tommy Sheridan. It's a close call but I would say brown.
The more you watch the YouTube clip the worse it gets. Green must be bricking it with that halfwit and his consortium after his blood.
Hes like something out of the goonies, surely a club like rangers with there loyal support must die a little more every time they think about brown runnin there club.
Oh dear
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Can you imagine brown negotiating with the SFA and spl on the complex issues. The preparing license papers. The negotiating contracts with direct debit firms and corporate banks.
The press conferences. Dealing with sponsors. Managing budgets. ..........
Guess who the elephant in the room would be?
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Sheridan is a complete @rsehole, but an intelligent @rsehole who can make a rousing speech and get his point over.
Brown is just an embarassment.
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@1 jb would not be dealing with any matters involving the club,he simply stepped up and to the best of his ability put forward questions most rangers fans want answers for.i think he also realises that the monies raised for season ticket sales would be enough to buy out greens consortium and with the proper people in place we may begin to move forward.please stop knocking an individual for putting a plea from the heart forward that most of us believe in
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If he needs season ticket money to buy the club, what is he going to use to run it ? Season ticket money is for running a club, that what the owners want it for - Brown's plan is similar to Whyte's - why the he'll would you want that - maybe your on the wrong site
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01 Jul 2012 16:53:37
Can someone please tell me if rangers will be in FIFA 13???!?!?
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No. I hear that Sevco 5088 will be though. They will start with only 7 players and will only be able to use the team in training mode. lol
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Dont know mate dossent look like it tho cause they dont make the 1st div so on.. just the spl, but they might be in rest of the world section:).
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They will be as far as i know they putting scottish dev 1 in fifa 13 put if they are put down to dev 3 they wont be in fifa
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I'm more interested to find if we will be in Div3 than some daft computer game.
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The daft computer game may be the only place your will see your team play
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This daft computer game makes more money a year than Scottish football haha
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That daft computer game makes more cash than alot of leagues
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Just gose to show mate that you dont own a xbox or ps3
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01 Jul 2012 15:29:47
This isn't a problem caused by the Old Firm - which given Rangers FC's liquidation, is now dead as an entity - this is a problem caused by Rangers FC and Newco FC; but one which has accelerated an existing problem, not caused it.
Rangers, Newco or Sevco (whatever they call themselves) are not to blame for the system that was in place, they have merely tipped it over the edge. The fact that clubs (and Governing bodies) can say things like, "the game in the country is in jeopardy without Rangers" or "losing Rangers from the SPL could send [my club] into Administration" doesn't just highlight that Rangers are a huge institution (they were) which brought alot of money into the Scottish game (they did), it also highlights how badly run a lot of other teams have been over the last ten years, that they themselves could be effected by such a loss. Every team in Scotland will suffer, that is true, even Celtic, but no club should be reliant on another's for their survival.
That financial mismanagement is the fault of no one but themselves.
And while I'm not a Rangers fan, and I don't want them hammered, or blasted into oblivion - what I want is the same set of rules for them as anyone else. No shortcuts. No favours. Just the same.
The counter argument has been, and always will be, without a strong Rangers, Celtic will dwindle and, without an strong old firm, our league will be akin to the Welsh, Irish, Ukrainian, Danish, Swedish leagues etc. (I also heard the Belgium league mentioned - someone obviously doesn't rate the Jupiler)
My response to this is simple; we are not a big country. We are not owed anything. Often, in club competitions and national competitions, we have punched above our weight - but maybe that was what it was, a small country punching above their weight. Perhaps we are as the leagues above, perhaps that is simply our standing.
The irony of course is that all the leagues mentioned above, and I include Wales in this, have better national teams, and (I don't include Wales in this!) are always there or there abouts when qualifying for international tournaments.
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I think you are showing a disrespect to the leagues you have mentioned. Many of the teams that play from these leagues have consistently down better that Scottish teams. I would also rate all of these national teams higher than ours.
Our League will be similar to the icelandic, cypriot and hungarian and finnish. A level below these I am afraid.
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I'm not being disrespectful to any leagues. If you read it properly, I said the counter argument... ie put forth to counter what I'm saying. Ergo, I'm not saying that. I also said all their national teams have been better than us in recent years. Did you read the post at all?
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01 Jul 2012 15:20:41
i pray for the day when i can read a paper, look on the net without rangers being dragged through the mire, the club is being refounded or whatever its time for us to start a fresh, murray was conning us for years, conned whyte and he passed the con on, we are left with the mess, im for div 3 rebuild from the bottom bring in talent! being rangers man has never meant so little as it does now to some -but not me, shagger, davis,naisy, laffs etc all ment to be rangers men they took the pay cut fair play but they would be sold anyway and still earned from it most of them are on 26 grand a week naisy has had 2 serious injuries and rangers looked after him, now scottish football with struggle, 1 horse race- punters will tune out in droves as they have been doing year after year for a decade, gates down, tv money down - im fairly sure over the next couple of year other clubs will go to the wall, the SFA have done nothing to improve scottish football since i left school 17 years ago, the whole thing needs reformed and restructured and get the men at the top out that only seem concerned with themselves- scottish football has been crumbling for yonks this carry on may bring it down faster-not only rangers need rebuilt the whole house does, reform the leagues i think it needs to be bigger 16 teams lets stop playing each other all the time, scotland needs a strong rangers and celtic but it also needs strong hibs,hearts, aberdeen and well teams etc etc-then football up here would be fair more saleable to tv, better competion, better results in europe= more money- it wont be easy but this was talked about when i was in third year-national centres of excellence? nearly 20 years later where are they?
nothings been done to promote young scottish footballers- it can be done look in holland or portugal similar sized nations but they are bringing top draw performers through that are selling for £30m plus!
rant over
stg
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Div3 is the best solution. SFL will have to break their rules to allow us into Div1, no matter how much the SPL/SFA try to change the rules when it suits them just to feather their own nest. Start at the bottom and rise through the leagues the right way, and hopefully with our huge fanbase the income we bring with us will help some of the smaller teams.
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Rangers' bringing in all the tax free foreigners to our game ruined it. Good lads got signed up by Rangers and were kept out first team football.
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Rangers bringing in tax free foreigners ruined the scottish game?? it was indecline before this, just about every team in scotland signed average imported players instead of young scottish guys! rangers reverted to mostly scottish players over the last few seasons
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01 Jul 2012 14:46:06
Much as it pains me to say it, I really wish Walter would just shut up and let things be. Splattered all over the back pages giving it all how concerned he is. Where was he months ago? So what if he thought a bid may be accepted whe he bid. If he loves the club as much as he claims, he should have bid months ago, not wait until Charles green has bought the club. Green owes smith nothing and how dare he come in and think he can pick up the cub for what green paid for it. I am sure green had to pay out a lot in legal fees etc and has all the hassle of all the ex players, some of whom got us in this mess, vilifying him. Walter thinks he can swoop in like a hero, not be involved in the liquidation and save the club. I am sorry but life is not that easy Walter. Please go and take bomber with you and at least let green try to get on with what he is doing. Let's not forget Walter was the manager when a lot of the mismanagement w happening.
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Walter wouldnt pass the fit and proper test... How can a man get paid from a club when hes at another club and then manager of scotland? Uncle Walters as bent as they come!
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The £5.5 million Green paid for the assets may well have come from the money that Whyte syphoned off
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Hate to say this but Walter has lost his hero status.Maybe more to come out though.Why didn't he act sooner?
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01 Jul 2012 14:42:33
in my opinion this should have been sorted out weeks ago and its all the blame of the SFA
if the appelate tribunal had sat earlier in this process, then the only possible sanction that could take according to their own rulebooks was a 1 yr suspension as a cup ban was deemed too leniant and expulsion too severe
so if a 1 yr suspension was passed down we would not be arguing the pros and cons and issues of comercialism over sporting integrity, as they would have bought the SPL and SFL a year to sort out reconstruction and then at that point Rangers would be allowed back in after a year out
now we have the nightmare scenario that if Rangers somehow parachute into the 1st division or end up in div 3 and treated as Newco should be, whats to stop the SFA appeals body to then suspend then for a year, this would only screw things up more than they already are, so time the SFA grew balls and make a decision on the transfer saga, and decide the punishment now, so all clubs know where they stand and any reconstruction can be in place for next seasons
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So no blame towards rangers? If rangers never cheated for years everyone would be looking forward to the new season, its easier to blame sfa than rangers though.
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Dont talk nonsense.newco in the third division will suffer no sanctions.they are a new team,punish them for what?
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3.) I have to agree that League brass and lack of a legitimate policy to handle situations such as Rangers has turned the process of administration and liquidation into a farse. That being said, it's not their fault that we find ourselves in the Newco position we are in. Fair play would say that a demotion of some sort is in order. If I can find fault with the beeks, it's that there was nothing in place to handle that situation. Mind you, I don't like the idea that rules are being made up on the fly either . Punish us ? Absolutely but, so much of what has transpired to this point, stinks of total ass covering and pandering to other clubs supporters.
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Rangers application for membership of the SFA involves the Oldco membership being transferred to Newco.
As such, any SFA punishment from Oldco will carry over to Newco.
SPL punishments would not, but there are no SPL punishments currently to carry over.
If Oldco is found guilty of dual contracts by the SPL, no punishment will be given to Newco, however, trophies will be stripped from Oldco.
Having said all of that, it is actually against the SFAs own rules for a company who have suffered an insolvency event (Oldco) to transfer their SFA membership to another team (Newco). So the SFA are breaking their own rules here.
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01 Jul 2012 14:41:00
I am getting well fed up with all the doom merchants like in todays paper EG Walter Smith, Gordon Smith and that idiot craig burley who all say footbaal in this country will not survive without newco rangers in at least the 1st division. Absolute rubbish ! Yes there be will be a financial penalty to pay - so what ? Football will find its proper level . Both old old firm teams have been ripping their fans off for years EG paying poor players wages thay do not reflect the league they are playing in . My gers supporting pal was paying £600 for a season ticket last year to watch that rubbish on the park .We need to look forwand and see this as a great opportunity to revamp the whole set up . A nation of 5 million with 3 separate football bodies - appalling !
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No, you want to see rangers destroyed, at least be honest about it. I am fed up with this sporting integrity pap. Let's just apply for div 3 and try and return to what's left of the spl.SPL chairmen want our dosh but not our presence, aye right. At least the 1st div have acted on principal.
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If all the doom mongers are right = most of the SPL will be in Div3 within a couple of years anyway;-)
Should make it evn more interesting for the Celtic fans when the Div 1 clubs are promoted to fill the gaps ;-)
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@1 They don't want you either---same reasons.Why you not blaming them too?
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01 Jul 2012 14:32:45
As Rangers are not in administartion
anymore can we sign players as soon as we know what league we are in? Shouldnt we
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newco. We really need to get a team
together and quickly. Green show us the
money!
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He doesn't have any money, no player in their right mind would sign for a club they don't know what league they are playing in.
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Green clearly stated he had agreed with Ally 19 signing targets.
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Yes youre right Rangers are not in administration anymore They are being liquidated Where have you been the last few weeks Mars?
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Well said mate:D, i think Ian black would come and mabey james mccfadden there both free agents but aye we defo need to get some players in , in the next week or so
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Sevco newco doesn't have an SFA license as a club.
Sevco newco doesn't have a league to play in.
Get that sorted before trying to recruit.
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Rangers are still in administration to duff and duffer finish...then its the blender
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Small steps FFS! - - can we get into a league first??
bil72
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01 Jul 2012 14:18:18
Raith Rovers chief slams SFA and SPL over 'blackmail' to force newco Rangers into Division One
Jul 1 2012 Sunday Mail
RAITH ROVERS chairman Turnbull Hutton insists the SFA and SPL are trying to blackmail clubs into allowing a Rangers newco entry into the First Division.
But the Stark’s Park supremo is adamant the lower-league sides won’t be bullied into bending the rules in the wake of Rangers’ financial meltdown and subsequent demise.
Attempts have been made by the SFA and SPL to clear the path for the newco’s entry into the First Division by offering inducements to the SFL clubs.
These include a £1million payment for TV rights, a merger of the SFL and SPL in the long term and the introduction of a pyramid system.
But clubs have also been warned that if they fail to vote the newco into the First Division a breakaway SPL2 will be created.
And Raith chief Hutton is furious at what he sees as an attempt to bully clubs into submission.
He said: “If we are at the stage of bending rules and accommodating, threatening and blackmailing, we want to give it up.
“There is a lot of pressure being applied on people.
“There’s been an abdication of duty from the SPL. Now the Scottish FA wade in and it’s being punted to the SFL to let them try and sort it out.
“And, to help it along, why don’t we blackmail and frighten them? It’s bizarre.
“If you don’t vote in favour we’ll set up an SPL2 and invite clubs in. If you vote against, you won’t get an invite. What sort of organisation is that?”
The SFL clubs are due to meet on Tuesday to discuss the issue and opinion seems to be hardening that the newco should start in Division Three.
Morton, Dunfermline, and Falkirk have already made it clear they will vote against the newco starting in the First Division and yesterday Clyde became the latest club to voice their opposition to the move.
The Third Division outfit reckon restructuring should be done as part of a long-term plan and they blasted attempts to railroad SFL clubs into accepting the proposals.
A club statement said: “Some of the proposed changes have merit in principle but any proposals for change should not be rushed, as these have been.
“They also have to be done by consensus and not through threat or inducement, again, as these have been.
“The Clyde board recognise the damage done to the credibility of Rangers FC by its successive owners and the impact on staff and fans.
“But these proposals do nothing to restore that credibility.
“Rangers are more than capable of returning to the SPL via the Third Division on their own merit.
“Rebuilding from the bottom can restore the dignity stripped from the club by its former owners.
“The papers use emotive language to threaten a future of financial meltdown and they carry the implication of the destruction of the game should a newco not be entered in the First Division.
“If things really are as bad as indicated then Scottish football is in a far worse state than is being acknowledged.
“In which case it is time to accept the bankrupt model needs fixed and not supported and perpetuated on the back of this proposal.”
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It's time Regan at the SFA and Doncaster at the SPL had motions of no confidence in them raised and they were sacked.
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I wouldn't listen to anyone with two surnames and no first name.
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think you'll find Regan & Doncaster only 'represent' the chairmen of the clubs in their respective leagues.
So where do you think these ideas are coming from.
The whole thing stinks!
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01 Jul 2012 10:02:18
There must be a plan between the SPL's non-old firm clubs to make a grab for undeserved money. Sky don't pay £80m for the likes of St Mirren or DUFC the money is paid because of RFC & CFC bring in large audiences and in turn Sky can sell more advertising, more sports packages and more licences to pubs.
St Mirren & DUFC have stated they cant buy any more players because of reduced income / uncertainty. They must have a long term plan to undeservedly increase their income at the expense of RFC & CFC whilst doing nothing to better their product / attendances.
Ignoring old firm games it would take St Mirren 11 home games to equal the attendance of 1 RFC home match. But they somehow believe they deserve a greater share of TV income and sponsorship revenues.
It is the greed of these wee diddy teams that has killed Scottish Football not RFC or CFC. The chairmen of these clubs are the greedy b*st*rds wanting more and more but giving nothing in return.
I think RFC should issue a statement that they will go to the SFL Third division and during our climb back up to the SPL RFC will put in place a TV channel and sponsorship that benefits RFC not wee diddy teams.
The RFC fans should also issue a statement that the real criminals that brought about this situation will get away with it but it is us and our club that will suffer and when we get back to the SPL we will not spend put a penny in the greedy grasping hands of those gargantuan's of sporting integrity.
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Tv money should be paid pro rata to the teams based on games shown on Telly.
Advertising also likewise. If its a Celtic or rangers game on Telly then that's the teams should get the advertisement money. If its Aberdeen v Motherwell on Telly then that's one game share of advertising and tv money.
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The chairmen of other clubs have been very astute in relation to Rangers being accepted into the SPL. Leaving it to the fans to decide the fate of Rangers indicates if these clubs go into administration, then the relevant boards can turn round to their supporters and tell them this was the result of your actions. The chairmen of these clubs know the financial problems that WILL happen without Rangers(Newco) in the SPL and have very cleverly shifted responsibility. Fans of other clubs state we have not been punished enough. We've had the ultimate punishment - Liquidation. Rangers as we know it, is no more. Surely if we start anew, begin again in Div3, then maybe can the bloodletting cease? Here's hoping!
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The only reason they are letting their fans have a say is because they need to sell season tickets, if this vote was weeks into a season after season tickets were bought the chairmen would not have listened to supporters because they would already had ticket money in the bank.
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01 Jul 2012 09:37:00
Typical scottish trait! As soon as a weakness is shown from someone (club) then its lets all attack and try an destroy. The rest of scottish football can now rot as far as im concerned. They have no proven to everyone that they themselves are not fit and proper to run the game.
Ill watch with interest when they start to suffer financially. I hope that they suffer the same non existent support from others. Hope whyte and his crew go to jail!
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As soon as a weakness is shown from someone {club} then it's lets all attack an try an destroy . only one club {rangers} attacked and destroyed airdrie . you have a short memory .. shamrock
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01 Jul 2012 14:00:46
for all the clubs that vote against
Rangers we should never step foot in
there grounds and we will see how
it will cost them in lost revenue. We
will get through this with our fan
base, will the likes of Dundee Utd and
other spl clubs with high dept survive
with no sky deal,they will fold. No big
name players will want to come to
Scotland in a league with no money
and a poor standard of football.We
have been punished enough.
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1) So what happens then if all of Scottish football went bust who would Rangers play. This mess was made by the previous board not by other clubs. Theres no mercy for Rangers because there is no acceptance of blame
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I have said before if the fans of non o/f teams who turn out for cup semis and finals watched their team regularly there wont be a problem with finance so come on help your team by attending games on a regular basis .
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Its because of people like you that the other teams are voting against you.
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Wee you could try that. But you might find that it does Rangers no favours. Why not let the football do the talking?
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Dougie explain the punishments??1&1 only a £160000 fine,that will never be paid!No rangers fan will set foot in any clubs that went against them is very true,as there is no rangers!!
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Consequence and punishment are two differant things , still waiting on punishment being given out, but i wont hold my breath on that happening !!!!!!!
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Are you surprised the SPL clubs do not want people like you?
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5) 10 point deduction or u forgetting about that ?/??
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@8 Did you not loose the league by 20 points,not 10 points?Didn't make any difference then.
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10points was automatic for entering administration!!duhhhhh,another who blames it all on anyone apart from the ex corrupt waiting to be liquidated! {Ed001's Note - yes, an automatic punishment! Is that really so difficult for anyone to understand???}
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Its true Rangers have yet to be punished for anything they have done. Except going into admin = minus 10 points. Thats it so far. "being liquidated" is not a punishment. Rangers did that to themselves!
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01 Jul 2012 13:27:55
Its a shame Rangers (newco dosnt sound right) cant/wont enter the english football league. With the team youre still left with you would gain promotion successively from league 2 and the press coverage would be massive due to the circumstances, combining that with your huge and mostly loyal fanbase youd turn around your financial situation quickly eventually, and eventually attracting better quality than you have done as of late and doing wonders for scottish football. Celtic fans in england always bang on about how they could compete in the premier league, would be good to see how well scottish football could cope.
Anyway hope your situation sorts itself soon cause its not right.
Gooner.
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You are a total mug.Celtic and rangers would quite comfortably,after the first sky payments arrived,compete in your EPL.There would have to be a huge investment in players but the money for league placings would easily wipe this out in year two.Even if they were relegated,they would be back soon.I would gladly pay 1k per season for my ticket to be in the EPL,times that by 50k.....you get the picture. {Ed001's Note - you really have no idea about the finances involved! There is such a huge fallacy about money in the English league, it is not as much as you think. It is all media bull, because they add in all the parachute payments clubs get if they are relegated as well.}
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1) English clubs have massive debts too. Eith increased income there comes increased wage demands from players. There not a single club in the top half of the EPL that owes tens of millions, it will cach up with all teams eventually {Ed001's Note - obviously there is a difference between being in debt and a sustainable debt. Teams like Arsenal, Newcastle and Man Utd have debts, but they are reducing those debts year on year.}
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Great idea. But the timing isn't great with just a handful of players and arguably the ones who would cut it in the EPL having gone. Not sure where in the English system Rangers would have to start. Probably quite a long way down. But then again, things are not much better in Scotland.
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The Rangers team of last season struggled to make a mark in Scotland. Having lost, or about to loose, their better players, the chances of them making any kind of mark in any of the upper leagues in England is very small.
Al
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I posted a lengthy post that was not posted ,rangers if you are going to forced to start at the at the bottom of the league?
why do not consider applying to join the english league, 3 seasons and you would be in the the prem and it would be a kick up the ar@@ for those teams that kicked while u was down from a west ham fan all the best {Ed001's Note - it can't happen! That is probably why it wasn't posted. I am so bored of people suggesting this time and time again.}
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01 Jul 2012 11:36:49
with the green mob now on its knee,s there is no one going to grab this situation ...does it not show the total total lack of management at our club .i ask for g_d sake someone to step forward and pull us out of this...ffs go to the 3rd division and say sorry for that man Murray
and lets get on with it..well have our day in court with these bassa,s but hurry up ffs or its no football at all next year thats a real possibility now if you thought of a worse way to run this this would have been it........i,ve money ready to buy 2 season tickets to help my club out...with no one to trust.......les
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Snap im waiting with the money for my two but dont trust the men at the helm i see my club sliding down and dow with not one of these multi millionaires willing to lead us shame on you all
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1) Spot on. I think div 3 is the best option because I dont believe Green and hos consortium have the money to fund starting n the SPL and all the players needed. At the moment they are saying season tickets cannot be paid by direct debit for the coming season. Buy it with a credit card for some protection cos i dont have faoth in the owners to keep the club afloat
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01 Jul 2012 10:09:10
If Rangers end up in the third division,What will happen with segregation regarding fans from both teams as i don't think the stadiums will accommodate a large travelling support. most third div.team grounds are only used to holding a couple of hundred people.
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Well you will only get a couple of hundred tickets then! no problem
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To be honest i dont think 3rd div games need much segregation even with rangers in it .we are not animals you know
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I thought you called yourself the bears . are they not animals
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Rangers in the past have played cup games in all of these places. So whats the problem?
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01 Jul 2012 10:19:08
made my mind up now as long as green is there no cash from me ....
r.m
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01 Jul 2012 09:32:55
Seems that John 'lets have a rant' Bommer Brown is no different from anyone else in this sorry saga. He gave green an ultimatum to name names or he would 'reveal all' !! We're still waiting for that one(surprised? Dont be). Also waiting for YOU to name your names bommer.... Makes you no better than green, duff and duffer, whyte or murray. All we want is someone to start to do some straight talking. I for 1 wont be renewing my 4 season tickets or buying any merchandise (why throw money into a black hole) till this is sorted out
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01 Jul 2012 09:15:04
Listening to browns ramblings the other day (clearly evolution has passed him by) he was demanding answers from charles green but at the same time when asked why his consortium never tried to save the club before it died he totally dodged the question instead just repeated that he wants your money so he can buy the club correct me if im wrong but is that not what craig whyte did. Tulip
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30 Jun 2012 23:29:23
I find it extremely hypocritical of fans slating the players who have refused to transfer their contracts while so many of them are refusing to pay out for seasons tickets at the moment. If fans don't trust the new owners enough to hand over £400 or so, then why do they expect the company employees to trust the new owners with their livelihood? In the current situation everyone has to do what they believe is best for themselves. If you don't want to support the newco then don't, who's to say you have to. If you do want to support it then do, but support it now when it needs your support the most. I'm disappointed that so many players have left as they took any chance of transfer income with them but I don't grudge them for doing so as at the end of the day it is a job and nothing more. If something similar happened in my job and I was offered a secure job with a new company then I would jump at that chance and I defy anyone to say they wouldn't.
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Had the top players joined Sevco Green would have used the ongoing tranfer fees of around £10m to repay his investors. Both the creditors and the "football club" would be in no different position than they are today.
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Its not even about being a hypocrite, too many fans are still buying into the badge kissing 'thing' !
Why would they transfer ? Why would a professional sportsman want to play at a lower level for less money...
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I agreed with your whole statement there up till the last few sentences, playing for Rangers is not just a job it's a damn right privilege and an honour that the majority of us will never get, and if players just see it as a job then they don't know what playing for rangers is really about and what it should mean to wear the jersey*ksd*
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The difference is do you get 25000 a week because if I did I would put up with any s**t for that and dont give me the hes only looking after his family , he had another 3 or 4 year on that or go back and get transfered and go to EPL for more money but get the club a transfer fee.
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Thats why there no soul in football anymore- its just a job
stg
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30 Jun 2012 22:33:19
Lafferty to FC Sion
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