Rangers Banter Archive January 25 2012

25 Jan 2012 23:33:00
I keep hearing that Davis has lost but I don't think so, granted Davis has not played to hs bet but how long has he been with the Gers and this is his first slump! We should get behind davis help him get back on form you don't lose that kind of talent over night, do you?

Davis needs naismith and vice versa I would say

He needs to be relieved of the captains arm band, give it to shagger or Boca and let him get back to concentrating on his game

JG

Davis needs a midfielder partner who will share responsibility in the heart of our midfield. Edu might run himself into the ground but his awareness to what is around him and his lack ball retention ability leaves a heavy burden on Davis' shoulders.

Quite frankly, everyone needs to get off Davis's back. That is the problem with most fans, they EXPECT everything to come through Davis.....

TTG

25 Jan 2012 23:03:57
Why do people think that whyte is gonna sell jelavic and keep the money to himself ? when has he done anything like this since he took over? The only way jelavic will leave is if a team panic buys because we wont sell cheap.. With ellis coming in i think we have an idea on what way the tax case will swing... Dunno if thats against us and ellis has been brought in to clear out or hes in cos it went well and he wants a slice of the pie i.e. G52 development, millions of pounds to be made on our land ! The team wont be getting stronger by the end of january and theres too many players under performing to win this league.. bad season !

FauldsRFC

You haven't a clue pal. Rangers only own the car park in front of Ibrox. It has very little development potential and other parties who DO own land in the area, such as Glasgow Housing Association have publicly stated that they will not deal with Rangers in any property matters.

So no million of pounds to be made on your land, unless of course Ellis has been brought in to develop Ibrox stadium. Remember, Craig Whyte has an £18m 1st ranking security over Rangers, and as such would get the first £18m of assets (and before HMRC) in the case of administration. Mmph, there's a thought.

Rangers will be forced to sell Jelavic as the club has no money to fund day to day running expenses. Rangers are running out of money and are presently not making PAYE and NI payments due to HMRC (this is over and above the Big and Wee tax cases). The funds from the Jelavic transfer wil be used as cashflow up until May.

And by the way, it'snot G52 it's G51.

Its you that doesn't have a clue timmy no name. Rangers own the large car park across the road from Ibrox stadium that was formerly the Albion training ground. They also own land in the immediate 'stadium precinct' area behind the Broomloan Road and Copland Road stands.
Other land close to the stadium is owned by Glasgow City Council, Strathclyde Passenger Transport , Gl a s g o w Housing Association and a firm called Lujo Properties.

Pete

Dear anonymous poster, thanks for the input, but if you can at least try not to present rumour as fact in future, that'd be nice.

Toodles,

Duccablue.

MIH own the albion car park.nice earner every home game eh? green jhedi

25 Jan 2012 22:07:58
All these "trialists" and they're bailing out. One didn't even turn up! What a feckin mess, lol.

Even the biscuit tin was traded in as scrap!

League's over Percy's......Championees!

Miko x

What a mess! biscuit tin gone for scrap!
yes you're right.
You reminiscing about the Kelly/White dynasty? Our tax tribunal remind you of your history?
Q:Why do people take an instant dislike to Celtic fans?
A: Because it saves time.

I'm not reminiscing about anything, I'm just pi55in masel laughin at your club.......so dry yer eyes darlin! lol

Miko x

Ah yes, Bob Kelly. Wasn't he the chap who brought in Jock Stein resulting in European Cup success.

What is Whyte going to do?

Yea we had dodgy owners but history shows we fought them and won! and you lot have done .................oh thats right nuthin! mind the gap..green jhedi

25 Jan 2012 21:33:29
the guy that live right next door just came to my door and gave me 2 tickets for the club deck as he cant go to the game now but am a season ticket holder at the govan front but a couldn't turn down the tickets as it was nice of the guy to offer me them but i now have a predicament that i don't know if i should yous the tickets for the club deck or my season ticket for the govan front any suggestions anybody

campbell

Grow a set and make your own decision - it's a blooody football game, not a matter of life and death.

Use the club deck it's a superb view of the game up there iv sat in both stands for a couple of seasons and miss the view u got up there

J

You should sell both for whatever you can get and buy a ticket at paradise for the next home game. Cfc tickets will be around £30 so you might need to add a few quid to the sale of your other 4 tix

Scottybhoy

Hoi mate who the f*** you talking to i asked a question then you come out with your snide we comment total arrogance you cheeky we s**t say that to the wrong person one day you might not be so lucky although maby you need a we lesson for your cheek

campbell

Help me decide where to sit ? U need to get a life mate

Scotty, don't talk pi5h! They don't like watchin football - anti-football's their poison!

Miko x

What seats will give you a quicker exit as when Hibs are 2 up on saturday you'll want out asap

Haha, love it!

Miko x

CAMPBELL. I'm terrified. Gonna not threaten me, it really scares me.lmfao. Must of touched a nerve about the tickets.... I tell you what as a goodwill gesture I will give u my 2 tickets for the family stand at paradise and you can put the fiver to the rangers trust. You never know, they might use it as transfers funds!!lol

Scotty bhoy

Win lose or draw be there for the 90 minutes no matter what anyway put a name on your post next time if not f*** off

campbell

Scotty was i threatening you a thought it was the nameless poster or maby you are him anyway shove your porkhead tickets up your ar5e a don't want them

campbell

Lol at campbell the keyboard gangster

Ooft, the big man's spoken! lol

Miko x

Campbell: anger management might help you out. oh and an english class would be good to.green jhedi..............and as always mind the gap

Hello Campbell I've put a name on my post.

Name.

This argument is getting very stupid even though a didn't start it i only said about the tickets my next door naigbour gave me just to start a conversation then the nameless poster started so he started it and i am ending it hope we can start getting on a bit better good night

campbell

Nope as usual the sh1t stirring just goes to she how much there liked on there on page if there on here commenting all the time

Wullie

What a t*t just go to the game and support your team !

Did he take all the full stops you'd ever use in exchange for the tickets?

25 Jan 2012 20:43:20
Ah my dear Bears, remember before the end of last season Jellyfish coming out and saying �I know United [Man Utd] are interested. My agent has established contact with them but that�s all I know. My agent has mentioned a figure of £13million and I came to Rangers for £4m so it would be a big gain for the club.�

Jellyfish, the striking striker and Mr Whyte are a match made in heaven. Trying to set up deals using underhand methods.

25 Jan 2012 20:30:01
How's this for an idea Bears. Get rid of that f*cking plank of wood Gordon Smith, who i'm sure is pulling a tidy sum of money out the club, and use it on playing staff. Cannot believe that he can claim to not know what's going on with the trialists. 'You'll have to ask Ally' was one of his answers in the papers today! What is he getting paid for exactly?

Best post all week the man's a Rangers bell-end.

I think he's director of tanning operations. green jhedi

And a tidy some of money to get rid of him, nice idea mind

Fed up saying this but i have said for months dont know what he does other than get tanned. Surprised it took everyone so long to twig.

25 Jan 2012 18:28:55
sir david murray was at murray park yesterday and took in a rangers bounce game(this is no joke)-clyde 1. speculation amongst the scottish media has gone into meltdown

He owns the place - hence the name and so has every right to be there!
Could he lend us some dosh though?

He could, but it's stolen from your queen.....do you really want to go down that road again?

lol

He owes lloyds £75m, don't think so

25 Jan 2012 17:43:19
Andy Carroll is 6-1 to score tonight. If you don't understand betting that means that if you bet £10, you will lose £10......

Lmfao.artybhoy

Superb

25 Jan 2012 17:14:39
well i read this page every morning and i am discusted with the way the so called glasgow rangers fans are acting against one of the most famous players ally McCoist, ally new what he was coming into if you listened to his coments before he took over mr white promised some money to strenthen the team were white has failed to produce, i think it time for all fans to get together and do something to demand white to come out in public and state were our club is going, look at Blackburn Rovers fans demanding for there manager to go thats what i call fans who love there club and all we are doing is sitting back and allowing mr white to distroy our club. LETS DO SOMETHING ABOUT AND NOT SIT BACK GET OUR CLUB BACK TO WERE WE BELONG. THE TEADY BEARS

So you are slagging aff fellow Bears for questioning Super Ally then use Blacburn fans protesting to get there manager the sack for an example of what we should do....did you think about this mate.Your miles oot!

Yes, somebody that understands the position, thank god there are two of us

The TEADY BEARS? is that cz your teas oot? green jhedi

25 Jan 2012 16:48:24
I will laugh if jelavic goes to west ham because it wil show that he's not in football for the love of the game, it'll show he's yet another money grabber walking out on rangers when they need them most. Let's face it west ham don't have a hope of getting to Europe in the next five years so he's not taking a step up on the ladder.
I urge him to look at where money grabbing got kris Boyd and then make up his mind.
Having said this if he is forced out by whyte then something must be done about him. I know we are in trouble financially but you should NEVER force a player to leave a club if they don't want to go.

Fraser

Fraser what you need to realise is that being a footballer is their job. They don't have long careers. They have families to support through a life not just until they retire at 36 or so, therefore they need to make as much as they can. West Ham will be in the Premiership soon enough so it is a step up.

GovanFR

Money will always dictate the situation remember Amouruso

But govanfr look a kris Boyd. He chased the money, flopped and is now earning nothing.

He is earning nothing at the minute but has earned far more than he would've done at Rangers.

GovanFR

25 Jan 2012 15:35:21
i know there will deffo be money owed to HMRC but does anybody think that if it leads to admin or worse murray park should be re-named? it is murray's fault after all.another protest might be to stop using the old albion as a car park. i would love to know how much MIH earn per year from this

And why would murray want to rename murray park?

If it is still owned by Murray then i doubt if it is an asset of either Rangers FC PLC or Rangers Group Ltd therefore he can call it what he likes

JG

He will own the land not the buildings!

Murray owns the land and the buildings and leases it out to Rangers.

25 Jan 2012 13:34:12
Alot of controversy over the trialists. It does seem bad, but perhaps whyte is confident in a jelavic deal so is holding out to bring in better players instead of the trialists. Probably not but a possibility? And see the ppl ready to comment about him bben a crook or not goin to give us any money if we sell him. Fk off a don't want to hear it, yees post your negativity every time the name whyte is mentioned, I've heard it all before n don't want to again. As I said it's just a positive possibility.

Dtp89

Clutching at straws my friend

Dtp89

As Tim would say "you my son are an Ostrich!". Take it the 89 is not your IQ!

DazzaBhoy

Try sticking your fingers in your ears n shouting LALALA! has he sued the bbc yet? has he remembered he was a banned director? your club is a laughing stock n you still defend him! good luck with that

You sound like one of those flightless big birds that the tims always harp on about. In fact are you sure you are not a septic fan? Too much delusion and denial there.

The transfer window closes new Tuesday. If Rangers were interested in better players, they'd have to be making some sort of move for them by now. Bringing unknown trialists in this late in the transfer window tells me that there is no one better waiting in the wings.

The merry go round continues,absolute laughing stock,murrays wanting overdue rent from whyte,your football operations clown gordon smith,thouht trialists were playing!trialists head out door,no doubt as soon as seen the fiasco& circus that is rfc,jelavic been touted like a cheap wh ore round every club(so much for any top team wating him),mind this guy goes on strike ,lol,way he been playing a thought he already was!!2 contracts held by players,thats going to be final nail in coffin when hmrc sees this whilst investigating the doctored documents from the con man whyte,tu tut what a bloody shambles!!!!!!!

This is the end...the beautiful end....ma friend....well dun craig whyte u muppet..
franco67

Dazza you do realise 89 is well below average for an IQ so are you saying his would be higher?

25 Jan 2012 13:07:25
As an occasional visitor to this site, I see that much spleen has been vented upon exactly who is to blame for the shocking and farcical shambles at our club. The truth, of course, is that responsiblity is shared for these calamitous times, the worst since the dark days of 5,000 gates in the early '80s pre-Souness. SDM left a horrendous financial legacy and the jury is still out, to put it mildly, on Whyte's probity and motives, let alone serious doubts about whether he actually has any money, or any money he is prepared to invest in the club rather than escaping with a stealthy profit. As for Ally, an immortal playing legend, he has shown appalling judgement in both the transfer market (with some notable exceptions) and as a tactical coach, taking us shamefully out of 3 European and domestic tournaments and blowing an SPL lead of 15 points. But transcending all of this is a new toxic culture at Ibrox which generates a PR strategy that forbids any meaningful communication with the fans. The questions being asked here are rational and important, posed by intelligent Rangers supporters who, while waiting for the tax case outcome, at least deserve clear answers on short-term playing issues that perplex us all.
1. Why is there no information about the status of Jamie Ness's injury? This kid has a style and natural ability that in theory could let him emulate Barry and even Baxter, and the fans have a right to know whether or not the boy has a viable career.

2. Matt McKay arrived, dismissing the usual hype, with fairly impressive credentials, and certainly looked a player with the Aussie national team. If, as suggested here, Ally is blanking him from every club involvement because of a personal fall-out, that is petty and unprofessional when the side is crying out for power and creativity in midfield?

3. Why are we trialling nonentities from around the world, when such promising youngsters as McMillan, Fleck, Cole, Hutton, Perry, McCabe, McCausland, McLeod, and Gallagher can't get a first team chance to show they are better than the likes of the disastrous Broadfoot, Healy, and McCulloch?
However, most crucially of all, while we all hope Ally can recover from a dreadful start, admittedly starved of funds, will he aquire the vital managerial ability to learn from his mistakes? Even with the horrors of the tax case and our undignified transfer scrabbling in football's waste-bins, we could least on the field use the talents we have to play a positive, attacking brand of football. As we are almost certain to lose the title anyway, whether by administation or player poverty, at least give our kids their head to go at opponents with courage, pace and belief till the end the season. We need a major injection of youthful enthusiasm which might even unearth some new home-grown talent and retrieve some dignity. We may not wrest the title for we all know in our hearts there are terrible times and that this is a disastrous season, but somewhere we have to start to build a new future, a new era, with some hope and energy. Does Ally, bless him, for all his gifts, have the raw courage to send out a bright, young positive team that go forward from the first whistle and run and die for the jersey?

Senior London Bear

Excellent post mate.

Duccablue.

Power and creativity required and you want McKay, he has neither which is why he's not playing.

Excellent post.while you are correct in that david murray caused this financial meltdown i think it runs a lot deeper than that.this story broke nearly two years ago yet rangers supporters still adopted an attitude of its okay murray will sort it out.over the last couple of years supporters associations and high profile fans seemed to be placated by a quick meeting with murray over tea and custard creams.if you happened to be involved with a newspaper you would be offered the chance of"succulent lamb and the finest reds" to ensure no difficult questions were asked.only last week,an article by james traynor on rangers problems did not contain one reference to david murray(who traynor has stated is a friend)daryll king was the only reporter i recall mentioning it before all went quiet again.whyte arrived amid a fanfare of trumpets with articles about his "off the radar wealth"and the whole sorry cycle started again.since then it has been one problem after another,the treatment of john greig,the legal battles over what seems to be every bill whyte receives,the on-going transfer shambles that becomes more farcical on a daily basis,but still no pressure from the fans representatives.i also feel ally has to be more honest with the fans as he is starting to look out of his comfort zone.kerkar was all set to go on loan until a goal at arbroath,fleck plays in two winning games then is dropped and shipped out on loan,bendikson returns to norway rather than stay and fight for a place,mcmillan wont sign an extension after years at the club,ness and hutton not getting nearly enough games over the years,healy who could not get a sniff becomes ally's first choiceand then theres bedoya,ortiz and mckay!allied to a brand of drab football ally must be accountable for he must answer these questions.further rumours include: no VAT or PAYE payments from the whyte take over,erratic payment of coaches wages,and gordon smith undermining the coaching staff.admin,liquidation,nobody has a clue what might happen.this could end with one meeting with whyte and some frank questions and answers.

Agree mate fantastic , im going along with cw is a front man for somebody else.. another thing checked papers other day , u have ellis walking with that barry hughes into ibrox , i think we are playing with the devil here more crooks than bar-l..... hate seeing my club like this

Great posts from everyone good to read some bears with sense the league looks distant it is time to use youth and stop making a fool of ourselves with trialists who are a gamble at best if our young boys are no given a chance we might as well save money on murray park

Senior London Bear - as a Celtic supporter I admire your post, very objective and asking the right questions, whilst still showing dignified and unquestionable loyalty to your team.

Falkirk are a good example of letting youth flourish and I have no doubt that the young Rangers players that you have mentioned, plus others, must be better players than that at Falkirk, with no disrespect to Falkirk intended. Give these young boys a chance.

Very well said london bear
the only thing i would like to know is who are the other people in whytes holding company

the mind boggles

I hear the guy's point however it's completely flawed fact is jamie ness is one of the young lads and when he's fit he plays for the simple fact that he is rated by the coaching staff, if there was any players that ally thinks could help us grasp top spot back do you really think ally would not use them? I mean come on that's all he wants us at the top, best thing that could happen is jelavic stays pulls his head out his ar$e and starts tearing defences apart again with the lad mervan setting him up playing in the hole, 2 results stand out for me the last minute goal at ibrox from thompson of st mirren and the clumsy goal bartley allowed sheep sh@ggers last week, both games we were strolling it at the back but one moment of sloppiness in both has cost us 4pts, wallter with all our injuries would of played 5 in the middle making sure we did'nt concede them type of goals!*ksd*

Ally is not walter, he wont pull rangers out this mess, hes tactically inept, cant change it when things aint working and plays players out of position!! explain.....

25 Jan 2012 11:35:41
Can't believe some of the mince that we are being linked with in the media and on here through the fantasists. People are being shot down in flames for suggesting we should spend money on players. Know what? As long as I pump my hard earned cash into the club I fully expect to see top drawer players and I'm sure Celtic fans feel the same. I dont expect to pay £25-£40 to watch players from Estonia, Austria and Honduras. I'd rather see us blooding young players which would boost the national team as well.

Barry Barry

You can't judge a player on his nationality Barry. Look at Celtic's Honduras international for example. I know what you mean though, us fans pay regardless of personal circumstances season after season and deserve better. But until we get a conclusion to this tax issue i can't see any established players coming in.
J1985

Barry barry: common sense post mate take the hit for a coupla years n get the young players in.

Cheers for the comments lads I didn't mean to belittle certain nationality's but we probably have better players here in the SPL

BB

25 Jan 2012 09:44:18
here is a more balanced article from the gaurdian, which more or less tells it as it is at the moment

A tribunal involving the club and Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs, relating to Employee Benefit Trust payments by Rangers to staff, is due to be heard next month. If Rangers lose the case they could face a bill reaching £49m. There seems little alternative to administration if Rangers come off worst in their tax battle. Whyte himself has edged ever closer to admitting such a point. If that were to occur, one of Scotland's most famous and successful institutions would be placed into an embarrassing, not to mention damaging, situation.

Gerald Krasner, an insolvency expert and former chairman of Leeds United, has experience of similar scenarios. "It is a fairly brutal business," Krasner said. "Certainly, when Leeds went into administration under Ken Bates, it was local creditors, small companies and the likes of police and ambulance service who were the ones to lose out. The reality of administration is very painful. That said, if you come out the other end, people forget all about it."

Whyte could, in theory, profit from such a chain of events. As Rangers' secured creditor, he would be in a position to pick the club up directly from administration. One financial expert, speaking anonymously, felt such a plan was "feasible", adding: "Big, brand-name clubs [such as Rangers] will come out of administration a lot quicker than others." Whyte has, however, said he is doing all he can to avert administration. Nevertheless, he is in a win-win situation.

Should Rangers win the tax case, Whyte would control a business with no bank borrowing � an earlier £18m debt has been shifted to his own company � and no longer a potentially ruinous tax bill.

For now, Rangers must deal with £780,000 of their assets being frozen by two former club directors. Martin Bain, the former chief executive, was in court again on Friday pursuing an alleged breach of contract. Bain's legal representative, Nicholas Ellis, referred to "what might be described as the parlous financial state" of Rangers. A separate, unresolved, case between Rangers and HMRC could cost the SPL champions £4.2m. Again the taxman has successfully ringfenced the money.

Whyte remains bullish. "I will not be distracted," he said. "I knew when I decided to bid for Rangers that there would be pressures as well as plenty of people who would like us to fail. But despite that, and despite all the muck that is being flung at me and the club by the BBC and others, I am determined to see this through.

"I stepped up to the plate when Rangers was in serious trouble and having accepted the challenge there is no way I will be diverted now. Rangers is far too important an institution to allow those with axes to grind to do us down for naked self interest."

We have no choice but to wait for the outcome of the case and then we will know our future

JG

Thanks jg,well thats proof of admin i would think! what else would he do? if a favourable result from the tax case means a smaller payment(3-8m) would he pay? i dont think so.now its admin,points deduction and stiffing local buisness and emergency services not to mention all the related work force connected to rangers. very classy,very dignified.

Its not proof of Administration as it all depends on the outcome of the tax case.

We believe we have a strong case thats why we had the tribunal

JG

Jg; if you look at the poss outcomes you must think he would pay off a small tax bill? what kinda figures do think his upper limit would be? bearing in mind the current levels( 10m black hole,running costs to year end)

That is the big question

When Whyte bought out murray for 1 pound in may 2011, the value of the 92 million shares he received was 30 million pounds

When the shares were suspended in January the value of his shareholding was down to 11.5 million pound

with the bank debt taken care of it could be possible that whyte would pay any tax bill less than the current value of his shares also considering that if the tax case was resolved then the shares would rise again in value

At this time though only one guy knows for sure the answer to your question

JG

Good solid post mate,

25 Jan 2012 10:52:02
SDM finally surfaces from his hidey hole and has an hour long meeting with Ally. Wonder what that was all about, would love to have been a fly on the wall for that meeting.

Gerry The Ger.

Probz telling him how much a rat whyte really is,would be surprised if whyte never knew about it until the last min.

Lenny

Probably telling him to get out now or maybe asking him if his tax return form is in its due the 31st of January. Ha

He was collecting overdue rent for murray park,whyte told him the cheque was in the post in october.......

25 Jan 2012 10:02:29
Prepared to be shot down but here goes - maybe a phone call to big eck to see if heskeys available on a short contract - he could do a job up here for us

! almost speechless!

Wheres my gun. BANG

JG

Heskey is this guy even awake yet hink he is still dreaming heskey is garbage

Screw the gun call missile control 5....4....3...

25 Jan 2012 08:16:47
I remember at the start of the season people saying wlyde wad better of conway, you know nothing on here, co.way would have been a cracking signing

What's ur point? Would of ? Could of ? Should of ? That's the excuse of the loser, Conway moved to Cardiff for far more money than we could give him - ally never even got to speak to him - so again ur point was....

I could never understand bending over to wylde,i watch a lot of youth football n he never struck me as anything great.mccoist panicked as his contract was running down,gave him a new deal n dznt play him! ally got to answer some questions as well.

25 Jan 2012 05:21:21
does anyone eles think that these guys are just being brought he on trial to try to keep the fans happy.sorry not working.

These players coming on trial are highly unlikely to be offered a contract unless any of the current squad are moved on to other clubs.
If Matt Mackay - Australian International cannot even get into the squad and Lee Wallace is the preferred option at left midfield what hope do these trialists have getting a regular game at Rangers.
Over the years we have seen Adam,McCormack,Bendiksen,Dobbie,and now Fleck is away on loan without been giving a chance next it will be McMillan and Hutton.ALLY TRUST IN YOUR YOUTH PLAYERS.

25 Jan 2012 04:14:40
it is time every rangers fan got together and ask why the club was sold to "craig whyte" when the guy has no money.surly if would have been to the benifit of the club to wait for someone who could of a little stability to the club.it's time we as supporters really start ask real questions .

Ah! its starting to sink in then.....

25 Jan 2012 01:16:21
really were becoming a joke is cw trying to put us out of buissness
TrueBlue98

Yes, the only Way he will make money

Whytes just a man out to make a quick dime,as for ellis i find it strange he hasnt put any cash into rangers yet was in the running to buy rangers before mr whyte appeared from nowhere.who exactly has the money to take rangers forward?mr whyte hasnt....has ellis?

Nither of them have the money.lloyds bank have sacrificed rangers just to get there loan money back.also from what i have heard david murray was told by lloyds bank to sell to craig whyte as murray and murray metals owe lloyds a lot of money.its time someone bucked up the courage to tell the rangers fans the truth.