Rangers Banter Archive October 25 2012

25 Oct 2012 20:03:31
Why do many people on here call your players the 'French boy' the 'Greek lad' the 'Brazilian' etc can you not learn there names or are they just so poor you fail to notice them enough to take in there name. I won't claim to know how to spell them exactly but I at least know its roughly faure, arigiou and cibriani and I have only watched one rangers game this year.

Which one of those names is the wee french boy ?

It's because they are in Div 3 and don't have their names on the back of their shirts .

Faure its a grand old team to play for. johnbhoy

No 3 yes so it is so what went wrong today ,awol lol doug t.s.o

25 Oct 2012 18:07:38
My brother is a Rangers fanatic I am a Dundee United fan. I don't like what happened to his team and must admit we don't have the same banter as we used to. He says a lot of his mates blame us and the SPL for what has happened to Rangers over the last year. Surely any honest Rangers fan knows who is to blame for these goings on, the blame lies with the poeple who were in charge of your club over the last number of years, not my club or any other club in the SPL . I thought when your club went to div. 3 Scottish football in particular the SPL would suffer greatly in both quality of play and financies, but I was wrong the football in the SPL is better and my club are actually in a better financial position at the moment. The reason for this is not Rangers demise but better competition for 2nd place and a better chance to get into Europe. I would like to see Rangers back in the top flight as soon as possible even if it is just to cheer up my brother and we can get back to some decent banter again. To have blamed other clubs for what has happened is silly you will only alienate yourselves further with this attitude, forget it and become the proud club you once were.
Calum

Mate the spl is to blame for where rangers are...the club still existed after its sale in the same format....according to the judge whos job it is to sort out the punishment of duel contract....if they still exist then why do they have to apply to the spl and sfa for new membership....surely even the most biggoted fan would agree that they have got it wrong....

@1: wrong, it was according to Green that Nimmo-Smith said that but he didn't. Don't believe everything Charlie says.

@1; Administration and liquidation means you cannot stay in the top flight.Are you for real? James D

Your delusional mate. Rangers are in the 3rd because they were liquidated and the newco HAS TO start at the bottom. It would make an absolute mockery of the whole thing if they let a newco Rangers waltz past 3 divisions of teams straight back into the SPL. Think about it. And the dual contract punishment will remove titles from oldco Rangers NOT the team in 3rd division. The argument about same team, same history is between you a Celtic. No one else in Scotland or Scottish football cares especially not the SFA, SPL.

Look mate your the biggoted one. A club liquidated has to apply to join and it can only be at the lowest level if you are given a licence. People leant over backwards to let you start again and I would have hoped you would have appreciated that, but no you still have your head stuck in the sand about what happened to your club blaming all and sundry apart from the ones you should be blaming, even at this stage there is stuff comming out that should have been before made known now. This is not over and I really feel for the loyal Rangers supporters they shouldn't have had to put up with this. It is self denial by some and possibly lies as to where your once great club is being led.
It was possible to have prevented the liquidation even as late as February, but certain money grabbers had other ideas on which road to take, screwing your own fans and creditors in the process. So if your looking for someone to blame look closer to home, that where you'll find the cause of your demise as I'm sure a lot of your good fans already know. After all that I want to see the Rangers back where they belong for the sake of all your good fans and Scottish football, who had no part in all this apart from being conned by crooks and money grabbers and your club seems to attract them.
Calum

25 Oct 2012 20:22:00
This seems to be the new mantra this season "The reason for this is not Rangers demise but better competition for 2nd place and a better chance to get into Europe". So all of a sudden because Rangers are not there you will get a better chance of getting into Europe? Enlighten me, how have the rest of the SPL (excluding Celtic) done recently in Europe. (Yes we know we didn't exactly 'set the heather on fire' either) you will get exactly the same chance of getting into Europe as you did before, whether finishing now 2nd or (when Rangers were there) 3rd.

Surely you must know that it was not possible to stay in the spl after the sheer scale and carnage that the owners and administrators caused and are still causing , and lets be honest you are not out the woods yet with all the revelations that are coming almost daily , if the worst happens with bdo then div3 will seem like a great option but without a stadium or training complex where will you be then, lets hope that road is not taken by bdo but there are still so many people out of pocket because of your club so get over it and get on with it

@6, have a wee think there buddy and take off your blue tinted glasses and get your head out of the sand! If your liq club didn't cheat for over a decade the spl would be a much better league because then the other clubs in spl would have had a chance at winning trophies and money and European expirence which only helps to grow the clubs and league. But with yous cheating you had players which you should have never had since you couldn't afford them which gave you an advantage over every other club playing by the rules and living within thier means! Maybe a second liq team of yours will be the only way to open your eyes because if it is not for the help of spl and sfa to get you up the leagues fast then you would be stuck with ally and the rest of your highly paid players against ppl who work for a living. And them playing you dozen really help the lower leagues that much because they seem to be on the same level as yous are, but hey keep enjoying the lies your club tells you and the misleading for yous seem to love that more the. Having an actuale well balanced and well runned business/club. The spl is growing without yous for the better and we all know this hurts you more then or the same as Celtic doing very well in cl.

Mate I think it's sad you think that clubs in scotland are now competing for 2nd place and European football....how many actually are playing in Europe this season....the coefficient of Scottish football will drop in the next two years due to the others not competing properly and getting put out too early....Scottish football is suffering....Celtic probably more than most....all clubs are recording lower attendances while lower viewers watching games live means lower interest in our game....less investment follows and fewer European places given by uefa....

We are the same club hence the same licence, but our Newco didn't have 3yrs accounts. That's why we are at slf3.

@8. How many times must we go through this....the spl want to know how much you are paying players so that they can ensure that the player is paid correctly in the event of a player declaring they have not been paid....much like the hearts scenario just now....there is no salary cap in football...so its not cheating....its tax avoidance...nothing to do with cheating...players were paid what was agreed...tax was not paid correctly...

@11, so your little scenario works out like this, Ronaldo, Messi etc agree to play for Clyde for £400k per week but Clyde (with the help of a sympahetic bank) only pay £400 per week through the books and the rest through an EBT scheme and that's not cheating?

26 Oct 2012 16:43:07
Think the OP is trying to say that with oldco no longer around a team like St Mirren are looking to take advantage of the fact that there isnt the guarantee of 2 qualification places being taken by the old firm every year, he's not talking about clubs performances in Europe, just fact that their is an extra berth to fight for.

G93

@8. A better league? IF? IF? Aye and IF you're granny had baws - The SPL would have been an even bigger backwater then than compared to now. IF it wasn't for Rangers and Celtic do you seriously think anybody outside of this parochial footballing nation would give a toss about football here? How would not having Rangers there help the rest of the dross (Celtic apart) magically improve their European involvement? There would have been even less money in the SPL-Hence decent players would have stayed well away-Hence most teams would never get past the first qualifying round. No change then...pffft.

25 Oct 2012 17:22:25
More Duff & Phelps secret tape revelations tonight on Reporting Scotland BBC1 6.30pm

We've so far heard two extracts of the recording between Whyte and Grier, which lasted in total for 2 - 3 minutes.

Whyte has a 2 hour recording of their meeting.

What else will come out on this recording.

And perhaps more importantly, who else has Whyte recorded conversations with.

25 Oct 2012 16:28:22
Charlie recently said, DM Hall have valued The Rangers property at £80m. Was it DM Hall who valued oldco's property at £120m, a few years ago?

Some people have said, the reason the property was valued at £120m, was in order to make the books look healthy. So, do you think Charlie's had the property valued, in order to make the Prospectus look healthy?

And would potential investors, excluding the people who would be doing it for sentimental reasons, decide to invest in a company, just because of the valuation of it's property?

25 Oct 2012 14:59:36
What more is to come out of this fiasco and the old club have not yet been liquidated. I shudder to think what could happen to us when the administrators have been deceiving the public, is the whole scenario crooked, with Green getting the assets for so little then his chairman comming out and saying they are worth tens of millions more it doesn't bode well when it comes before Lord Hodge to agree on the liquidation. I just wish the whole thing is completed quickly and let us move on. If D & P are discredited what about Green, this whole thing stinks, what did he know? To make and have such a low bid accepted and to apply for a CVA with this bid you would have to be in cuckoo land to think it would be accepted. He obviously preferred liquidation
Which has cost the fans and creditors so much hurt and shame. It makes you wonder what his real motives are, only time will tell.
Bobby

There's every possibility that Ibrox and Murray Park will be taken from Green. Would we still support his club, I think if I'm being honest the only thing that's kept me believing that it is still Rangers and not some reincarnation is the fact that on match days a team in blue still run out at Ibrox.
The severity of what is about to happen cannot be underestimated.

1) disagree strongly, the assets can only be sold for the best bid which was Green. You cannot go back after 6 months and decide they could have got more. I can't sell my house then go back in six months saying I didn't get enough for it.

The difference between you selling your house and rangers administration is that the administrators should act impartially from the club/owners and in the best interests of the creditors, if it is found they were acting illegally or with conflicting interests then the soon to be appointed liquidators have the legal powers to revoke all deals administered by the administrators to ensure best value for the creditors.
Would it surprise anyone if whyte produced a tape of a conversation between himself and Murray when Murray asks him to buy the club for £1 take it into administration? Maybe with whyte agreeing to do so for a management fee?

Jd

@2; They could if you were liquidated and gratuitous alienation was proved.That tape recording is a killer. James D

At @2 i think you will find that if it is proved that the administrators did not get the best deal for the investors then a resale is a very distinct possibility , and as the revelations are flowing thick and fast i wouldnt be too sure about anything just now

Re the house analogy. Imagine that you can't pay your mortgage and hand the keys back to the bank. The bank then decide to sell the property to one of their directors for a pound. You loose the house and still owe the bank the money. What would happen then?

Or imagine your house is being advertised by an estate agent. They tell you the house is only worth half of what it really is and suggest that instead of wasting time putting it on to the market they'll by it. What would happen then.

Now imagine that a company goes in to liquidation. The administrator is appointed and sells £120 million of assets for £5 million to a "preferred bider" that they have being dealing with in secret since before administration. Thus defrauding creditors of any payback. What should happen then?

#3 - they didn't act in favour of the owner - that is why he taped them and is suing them - so whilst D&P have acted inappropriate and will be dealt with accordingly there will be no recourse for newco

25 Oct 2012 09:07:02
White and the duff and duffer tapes

Bears , joe from the dark side here. I'm not on the rip,the piss but to sympathise. There's not a day goes by when the gutter press in this country doesn't pay for another new rock to be turned over at , lets get it right , Rangers , expense. I'm pig sick of it as you guys must be. The whole lot is rank rotten. I really don't know where you decent bears go from here. , but we ain't all gloating. Rangers hurts , Scottish football hurts and our mates suffer.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Keeo the head , behave with dignity , ride it out and buy the club back for the fans. Atb. Joe

25 Oct 2012 10:33:15
Cheers Joe

Good post joe, we the fans are fed up of the whole saga and just wish it was over so we can get back to some kind of normality. We'd like to concentrate purely on football, but alas, corrupt greedy money men with their bickering will not allow that to happen. As for the press and their vultures, the language i could use about them would not be printable on here.

Whyte has taped everything. Murray and others must be bricking it.
Every meeting, social event, meals..... Digitally Recorded.
Whytes played this liquidation game 28 times, what else would anyone expect?
With security over Assets D&P should have had Whytes creditor status as their primary focus.
Whyte isn't being left with a £26m lawsuit in all this.

Joe. Are you really a Bhoy? DONT THINK SO/ The gutter press have had it in for Celtic FC for years even when we did nothing wrong. The carry on at the Newco is so bad that it must be exposed to their fans. Dont hear you complaining about how we are treated by the press. Jingo

What have the media done wrong? Is reporting the truth a crime now? I'm sure every fan of the newco are sickened by the carry on of all involved in this whole sorry saga but at the end of the day I'm sure even the most committed newco fan will want the truth to come out so that they can move forward as a new club with no baggage from the dead club. As the saying goes 'don't shoot the messenger'

Briggs

I dont think joe is a celtic man why would he refer to his own team as the dark side

Yes jingo. I'm a bhoy not a biggot . I had 2 corporate seasons ticket for years which I got gratis from the club for allowing my company to do work at cost for my club! So don't question my credentials just because I offered an olive branch. Everyone knows the press will call any tune to sell a rag , just because we got our share doesn't mean it's ok for rangers or anyone else to get the same treatment. You my friend take what you will from my post- I couldn't care less. I stand by it - the decent Bears don't deserve this crap , just in the same way we didn't before the bunnet. Ffs try to open your horizons a bit.

Ps. Me referring to Celtic as the darkside here is humour... Remember that. Self deprecating banter, Jesus how paranoid and suspicious are some people. Believe what you will , I care not a jot. HH

@8. Joe, some Rangers fans get called Celtic supporters on here also because they don't go with the flow. I have disagreed with some of our fans on certain topics and been called a bhoy. You can't win with some people - you're not alone, all the best Joe.

Joe great refreshing post in these times of torture for us gers fans. i have many celtic mates exactly like you and although i had a snigger before the bunnet, i stopped and saw the bigger picture just like you. what a good post and good reply you gave because all the negatives regarding my club and possible outcomes, im on the brink of giving up because i dont think this is anywhere near the end and as fans we will be the biggest losers

I cant believe my eyes! Banter aside the common sense is welcome Joe. It can go to far sometimes, now we now how you lot felt, maybe worse! When the ordinary supporters are being used by these suits, it makes me feel sick. They only care for the money. Cheers.