Rangers Banter Archive November 27 2013

27 Nov 2013 12:29:57
To all the people slagging and wanting
rid of ally, let's be honest here the board
are his employers so who among u would
speak out or say u are voting against your
employers and expect to keep your job.
billy h

Really valid point Billy and I agree to a point. However, talking as someone who as been in the position of speaking out against superiors sometimes you just have to do the right thing. However the choice is Allys and Allys alone. I just can't bring myself to back someone who I feel is looking out for number 1 when he knows the alternative is the right thing to do. You're right though, there are not many who would do different and this is why the big boys generally get away with things. Fear of uncertainty is a powerful tool. Thing is though mate, I've spoken out and I still have a job. I don't know he details of Allys finances but I'm sure he could afford to lose his job far more than I could lose mine. Life shouldn't always be about money mate.

A lot of the fans are against Ally as they don't think he is good enough to be manager.

So Ally should speak out against every person who is put in charge of the club?

Now that would be a really stupid thing to do, especially in public. However, if you bother to listen to what he says, then you can read between the lines. He mentioned the other week that he does not have anyone (boss) at the club that he can turn to for advice or guidance - that says it all, really.

I must say what a truly superb job he is doing just now - 13 and counting. It will be a bit much to catch the record - which is held by Rangers 18 in a row.

There are lots of angry supporters out there who are happy to blame anybody and everybody for the goings on at rangers but to blame the manager is a bit low. Yes maybe some people feel let down by the man with some of his statements which is fair enough. But how would anyone of us act in ally, s shoes honestly I would not wish his job on my worst enemy. Some of the names he has been called on here by so called rangers fans disgust me. The poor man must be drained and totally scunnered by some of the goings on behind the scenes at ibrox. But he wants to be there to do the best he can by the team/club which unfortunately means he has got to bite his tongue and bide his time. Now I will agree with people who say they don't rate him as a manager but I am prepared to give him a chance after all very few managers would be able to operate in the circumstances ally has had to endure.

@3 nope, he should just not be so quick to jump into bed with them all. Keep his own counsel and realise that like it or not he has a responsibility to fans who naively gobble up his every word.

BB - you do not have to listen to him if you do not want to - seems to me it boils down to some people like yourself just do not like him - no what he does -
16 games 100% record;
Playing youth
Some nice football, at times.

Ally has given RFC his all over the last couple of years - look at a photo from 24 months ago and now and you will see the toll it is taking. He could have walked and got a bit slice of the pie, but he didn't, he stayed.

and, if he had been playing only youth and got beaten he would have been slaughtered by the likes of you, and as he is winning it is because he is supposed to - can't have it bothways.

What will be your opinion of him if he wins every single league game?

{Ed039's Note - I think if you look at his bank balance and his asset wealth (ie, share value) you will see he has been very well compensated for it, and long term needs to be looked at, he was a great player, but is a very poor manager and is getting away with it just now because of the quality available versus the opposition being poor)

@6 Think you're just taking what you want from my posts BlueDuster. Let me clear it up for you-
A) I don't listen to him (hence me giving up ST) but the majority do. This is a concern for me as through his rallying calls the majority have played into the hands of the charlatans. How many would have renewed/bought shares if Ally had promoted caution? and how many more times will the majority walk blindly into the dark on Allys words?
B) I used to like him but my personal opinion is that he has let himself and us down with his actions and words. Though I do not know him personally my gut feeling is that I have went right off him and what he does.
C) I find talk of his record as a manager both insulting and laughable given the disgusting amount of ill gotten resources at his disposal. This side could manage themselves to the title without Allys 850k salary. However the people who lost jobs, money and businesses can't manage and could have done with not being bumped by our club then having to watch all this cash being squandered.
D) If he had walked he would not have been entitled to a 'slice of the pie'- So he stayed and has his face in the trough with the rest of them.
E) Totally disagree- If he had only played youth and been beaten I would still have been backing him from my seat as it would be the team with integrity that I wanted. I don't want it both ways, the youth with integrity is the only way for me. If you had bothered to read my posts over the past couple of years you would already know this.
F) If he wins every single league game I will still think he is a man in a Ferrari looking for plaudits for winning a cycle race.

By the way, we are all entitled to an opinion. I have never resorted to personal insults on Ally, I just don't rate him as a manager and think he has chosen the easy option at the expense of the fans and the wellbeing of the club.

Baybear, the thing is, if Ally had spoken out against White and got sacked then we got, say, Butcher in, we would have expected him to speak out against Green so he would have got sacked, and we could have got, say, mcoll and he would have to have spoken out against Mather and so on until no one wants the job. Ally is doing a job that involves a lot more than managing us back to the top on the field and I for one appreciate everything he is doing and he has my utmost respect and full support puls 16 games unbeaten ain't bad united we stand.

27 Nov 2013 20:18:07
Said it before but if Ally wins 100% of league games this season no one outside of Ibrox will take any real notice of it and believe it only confirms how bad the standard of football is in the lower tiers of Scottish football. Let's face it the far higher level in the SPL doesn't even merit much respect, does it?

As for playing youth the average age of sides Ally puts out against amateurs is usually higher than that of Ajax in the Champions League, says it all really. Look at what Dundee United are doing to bring on youth and look at how they will be rewarded for that when Ryan Gauld and others leave. He alone could go for more money than it took to buy Rangers!

As for managers speaking out against their employers I believe Alex McLeish did that very thing last year as he was proud enough not to take Cr*p from them. Obviously the man puts self respect and doing the right thing before greed. Well done to him.

Totally honest opinion from me I do not like him or his actions
Results I am over moon with despite the massive quality we are still winning it is a mentality nd can only be good for future
RTID george

{Ed039's Note - totally honest opinion from you george? Does that mean to say you have been dishonest with us at any point?)

@4 your right he must be drained with all the goings on at the club then he looks at his payslip and all of a sudden that draining feeling disappears.

Baybear

Great post mate and the the reference about the man in the Ferrari and the bike race is 100% spot on

@8 All I'm saying is he didn't have to back them. They couldn't sack him for telling fans to make their own judgement. There's no misconduct in that.

@9 Spot on

Lol some people are so self righteous it is unbelievable. Right a love rangers but this is the bottom line if I was a manager and employed to manage rangers I would not turn round and say no only pay me this much if they said to me here this is how much we are willing to pay you. I would not say no that's far to much and in reality neither would any of you it's human nature we always want more than we have and that's the bottom line. And to be even more honest I wouldn't agree to a pay cut either after all a deals a deal.

Ed lafs no I wasn't previously lying what I mean is I confess I just do not like him at all. His sellout to any person no matter who they were for me is not what being a decent person is all about. He is not manager material more snide wee pundit.
my only support for him is through my love of Rangers I want us to win every game
george

@15 I don't doubt that's what you would do Pat but that's not what Ally said he did. From his own mouth he expected us to believe he didn't know what he was offered as he didn't read the contract?! Do you seriously believe that?! I dunno about you but my heids not zipped up the back.
By the way, being man enough to do what's right is not self righteous; it's just not toeing the party line for the sake of an easy ride.

Baybear it depends on if you believe that ally would do anything for rangers then yes I could believe he signed his contract without looking at it because at the time it was probably the least important thing at the time. I would have signed it without to much worry about reading every detail at that moment in time. As for my bit about self righteous I meant that in the context of anybody in ally, s shoes would have took that contract if they had read it or not so I find it a bit rich for people on here to criticise him for it

Fair enough Pat and I agree the majority would. From a personal point of view it just annoyed me that there is an assumption we would all do the same because we wouldn't. I have personal experience of putting my neck in a noose for the sake of others and your self righteous comment just hit a nerve mate. Apologies if I took it out of context but there are some of us that don't always put themselves first. That's not self righteousness, that's just having a bit of heart.

27 Nov 2013 06:09:36
I see our new, supposedly independant chairman is in the english newspapers slagging off the gang of four. that didn't take him long. I also see ally "yosser" mccoist coming out with his usual sickening remarks about yet another person he can work with. come the 19th of december, I hope the whole board, and mccoist and his team, all do walking away. before he goes, for the good of the club, i'd like to see mccoist donate his shares to the supporters. fat chance!

Agree mate Mccoist is nothing but an embarrassment, I can't stand the man, rangers will be gone if these parasites win the vote, anyone with a grain of sense will vote for Jim McColl's group, because once they win the vote they will cleanse the place and then start picking up the shares, nothing has changed with the crowd that's there at the minute except they have now got more mouths to feed. get them out NOW

Have to agree, Mr Mcoist if he feels cnat take sides in this matter should donate or even sell his shares at the price he got them for to the support/fans groups asap.
He eitherwants to follow the greatest fans in the world or he wishes to follow the currne tboard and the last on e and then the other and the other. Ally your track record in respect of directors is abysml, hand them ove reven if just for the vote. let the fans have a decent voice for once.

Hugh sensational headline then I read through the article, the only direct quote In the whole article I can find is

Somers said: ‘There can be no guarantee that each of these individuals will be found to be suitable to act as a director of the company or that the board would be able to function properly. ’

Not exactly slagging them off, just questioning there suitability, did you really expect him to tell the shareholders - vote for them - no for me?

JG

N3 there is no garentee sommers is suitable to act as a director of the board none of us new who was before the easdales gave him his job we know who jm pm and their crew are they are all season ticket holders that does not say they are good at there jobs but they are honest rangers people