Rangers Banter Archive May 29 2013

29 May 2013 23:19:57
i think sum of the fans are getting carried away with there self about the players coming to rangers just now this happend last season sheilds temp black sandazza all from spl only temps get pass marks out of these players do not chuck ure money at these conmen at our club untill the show us everying is in order these acounts of ours must be due out soon would like to see these plus what name is on the assets that our club has do not be fooled again singings will stop soon

30 May 2013 07:32:45
Abolutely agree OP, its astonishing how effective the PR machine has been at covering over some really serious issues. The optimism on here over the last week or so has a real empty ring to it. WHY CAN'T THE CLUB PRODUCE AUDITED ACCOUNTS? that's no joke.

Eh. I think you'll find the club has produced audited accounts, that's where all this 'running at a loss' started. Money was used to buy the albion, Edmiston House, and the 5.8m for the original purchase. Why do people keep banging on about this? Maybe not Rangers people.

Yours. A Frustrated Shareholder

@2/ As a shareholder you must start paying attention mate. The accounts produced in December were not audited. There is a huge difference in the two.

Are accounts not done on a yearly basis if so then the new company hasn't even been going for a year so what's the big issue audited accounts are dew in June

29 May 2013 20:29:11
lies lies and audio tape

any word from circus ring tonight?

Aye Coco the clown has ran away with the bearded Lady.

29 May 2013 19:57:25
The signing of Nicky Clark is the best bit of news to come out of Ibrox in ages, he is exactly the sort of player we need and will hopefully enjoy a long fruitful career with Rangers.

29 May 2013 18:47:42
Further Emails between me and RST

MY REPLY TO LAST EMAIL:
Cheers *****,

Will do all I can to unite our supporters for the common goal.

. and correct the typos prior to posting ;0)

All (simply) the best

*******
RST RESPONSE:
Thanks *****

Have you applied to join us yet?

******

MY RESPONSE:
Not yet *****
Cash tight at this time of the month. Even a tenner makes a difference to petrol. This is the true state of affairs for the ordinary fan and this is why our club should have even more respect for the fans efforts.
Times are tough for us all yet we are still prepared to put money into our club, all we ask for is clarity and honesty in return.
That said, I'll be paying my tenner and joining the RST on payday at the end of the month.

All the best

*******

Cheers Baybear.
Like I said earlier I think the time is right to try and move this along. The latest revelations by Charlotte F. are pretty heavy hitting material and may have major implications for our club. They could possibly be fakes but appear to have some originality about them.
Regarding the RST, I will be signing up, my only concern at the moment is that they appear from your contact with them to be going through some sort of re-organising, and timescale is important. Even if we can get the club to give us a statement regarding the latest developments would be good.
This really needs to be moved along now, because if the latest game of chicken gets serious we could see the clubs finances and assets being frozen, where would that leave us? Don't know how willing guys like Chris Graham and the like would want to get involved, or Jim McColl etc. The one thing for sure is that we need to get the ball rolling and the quicker the better.
Thanks again for your time and effort.

Baybear, In my humble opinion, your intentions are good but to follow and subscribe to the RST is the wrong way to go. I feel that they will never have a say and our way forward is with a powerful, reliable investor. Personally, I cannot see beyond Dave King as I feel he has the b***s to move us forward.
billyb

P. O. B- No bother, just a wee thing but I suppose doing something is better than just talking. Reg your point about timescale, bear in mind these emails were sent back and forth about a week and a half ago. Got another email last night which I'll post later. Cheers
BillyB- In all honesty mate I feel the days of one powerful 'reliable' investor are long gone. There was a time when we all relied on a certain David Murray and look where that got us.
I respect your opinion mate but I'm prepared to loose a tenner to see what the RST are all about.

Baybear. Good on you and others that follow you. Best of luck but on this one we'll agree to differ. Cheers
billyb

@4. No bother dude, all the best

29 May 2013 18:35:55
P. O. B and ED

Ok, as promised below are my emails to the RST and their response. I have removed the responders name. Ed- apologies in advance for the length of the following posts.

MY EMAIL
I am a Rangers supporter, season ticket holder and follower of Rangers forums. My wife is a Proud Pompey supporter and member of Clan Pompey (The Scottish Pompey supporters club). Right now she is rightly proud of the efforts of all Pompey supporters as despite their years of difficulties; they have achieved their goal of fan ownership through the efforts of the PST and genuine fans.
As you may or may not be aware there seems to be large section of our Support who feel the RST do not represent the opinions of the majority of fans. This is not intended to be a slight on the RST, just a genuine question about how the RST feel about this?
Personally, I feel that the RST have an opportunity to play a major part in galvanizing the Rangers support and helping us move forward with the goal of supporter governance of our great club. My questions are these; are the RST ready and willing to use their already established model to take action? Are the RST willing to begin a process whereby they consult season ticket holders about their hopes for the future of our great club? And finally, what do the RST think about the proposal of some supporters to use season ticket money to buy shares as a way to achieve the fan ownership goal? This last question seems to be one that has been raised quite a lot recently and although I do not represent all season ticket holders I feel it is a proposal worth looking into. As you are already an established supporters association I feel you already have resources in place to begin a process of change; and in some ways it is your duty to use your established position gauge the fans feelings and present them to the club. So what do you think? are you READY to be the one the RANGERS SUPPORTERS TRUST?

RST RESPONSE
Hello ******

Thank you for contacting us. Apologies for the delay in getting back to you but we are currently in the middle of upgrading our web site and our overall communication and administration system. We see this a priority and we were involved in transferring a large number of our members over to the new system today so hence the delay.

Great to hear from Portsmouth, great news for them and we wish them all of the very best on the future for the PST and indeed the club. Must admit Clan Pompey is a new one on me.

I take on board all of your comments and will hopefully be able to reply to your satisfaction. I had a quick look on our system for your details briefly and without success but as I said, I have been involved all day so maybe seeing too many names now at this time of the day.

I was at a Supporters Direct conference a few months ago in The Falkirk Stadium where one of the speakers was David Lampitt whom I am sure you have no doubt heard of.

Can I take your first point and perhaps give you my own personal opinion on the comments you make. I don't want to fill three or four pages here and bore you to death.

I have heard the comments that a section of the support do not think that the RST do not represent the majority of the fans! I also hear that many of these comments come from numerous 'forums'. I again personally do not spend much time if any on any forums. This is not closing my eyes to what is going on around us, people have the right to their opinion and also have the right to state them. I would say however that most of this opinion emanates from opinions about The RST from a number of years ago.

I am one of a good number of new board members who were installed just last October. Things have changed and are continuing to change at a rapid rate. I will explain further.

I joined the RST after working obviously as a volunteer for a number of months on developing the BuyRangers Community Share initiative. I have a business, sales and marketing background and the experience I have was a great help to creating and indeed launching BuyRangers last November. It all culminated in us raising £250,000 to purchase club shares in 4 days which I think is not bad going. We purchased share in The Rangers and now hold about 0. 6% of the club. We follow the SD created model just as the Pompey folk do. We are an I&P Society and are no doubt very similar to all the other clubs doing the same. I am sure you are well versed in this so I won't dwell on it.

Why did I join, and why did I volunteer? We are all now aware of the grim situation which engulfed our dear club which I have supported since boyhood and my father before me. I don't have to tell you as a fellow Rangers Supporter, each day, another nightmare scenario seemed to unfold. This is I would say, when I decided that I am a Rangers supporter and I have to do something to help my club. As I have previously stated, like most other fans I scanned each news site and listened to each news report on TV and in the press. I checked the Rangers web site and checked most other Rangers minded sites and blogs and found much was being said but to be honest, not much was being done. Week after week passed and the band of detractors of our club grew and grew. I am sure you know just what I mean.

I volunteered for the BuyRangers Initiative and became heavily involved. As more weeks passed, still no guidance or help from anyone. All of the Forums you mentioned and blogs maintained their well meant communication but to be honest, nothing constructive to really help any Rangers fan. I found the old RST web site possibly the one site I kept going back to for solace but even there no real advice. That is when I decide to join and try to implement a change in policy and approach which would hopefully eventually attract the wider Rangers Community. As it happened, it was really left up to marooned Mr McCoist to give the nod and the fans who in my opinion had been looking for some guidance from somewhere responded and purchase 38,000 season tickets.

I feel my club, my fellow supporters deserve more and so I took the action I took. The signs are very, very hopeful.

We are as I said in the middle of giving our 'paid up' full members a web site and administration and communication system which will rank with the best in the United Kingdom. It takes time, we are as I said volunteers but we are for sure getting there.

On our site, full members will be able to put forward suggestions for discussion and be able to vote on all important issues concerning the club and the support in general. This is a fully interactive site and is the key to offering all of our fans, a real democratic organisation recognised by UEFA, Supporters Direct and regulated by the FSA. Most of my new colleagues on the board are of the same mould as myself and are fully committed to developing and expanding this system.

If people who comment and are unhappy with what they 'think' The RST is and does, then join, post a suggestion and raise and force a vote. No restrictions, nothing to hide, we are all named and not afraid to engage. I am not condemning criticism, I in fact welcome the chance to explain what we now are and that we are a younger board full of enthusiasm with only the interests of the world wide Rangers family at heart. I put my money and all of my effort behind what I think is the only way to influence events at our club. I could go on to a forum and talk until I am blue in the face but does that 'really' do anything?

Criticism if constructive, is welcomed and is a healthy thing. When you think of it, £10 per annum for something which is 'at last' a 'haven' or communal effective voice for our wonderful Rangers Support is surely a small price to pay. No use just sitting and moaning about how 'bad' everyone is to us. If everyone of us spent this small sum of money and presented a united front to all who try to cause damge to my club, then we would have something which would make people, anyone, sit up and take notice of the voice of the fans. I feel this unfortunately is something that we will be requiring in the not too distant future. Storm clouds are gathering again it would appear. The longer a large number of our fans just sit and talk about things, the more we will appear to be weak.

We realise the opportunity we have, yes we can galvanize the support. We need that support to 'get involved' and make it happen. We now have the resources in place. If you have not joined and I apologise for not looking you up but I am beginning to wilt after my essay, then log on and register. For £0. 83 per month, would that not be worth trying? Our new modern thinking board members would welcome all of your help. Asking season ticket holders and involving them would be wonderful, if we could have the database from the club, we would do just that. We are building our own database and this is growing on a daily basis. More has to be done, we know that. just join up and get involved. Anyone can put themselves forward for a board position. We are not hiding from anyone. Quite the opposite in fact.

Good to hear from you and hopefully I did not bore you too much. I am passionate about Rangers FC. Please get in touch if you wish, we are always here.

Regards

***** RST/ADMIN

29 May 2013 15:29:05
Hi Baybear.
Did you get permission from the RST to post their E-Mails?
Nothing sinister in my question, i'm only asking to gauge their reaction to your initial contact with them.
I'm actually becoming really concerned now for the future survival of of our club.
There appears to be a high powered game of "Chicken" going on at present, and the club has made no

Sorry Ed done this post on my phone and hit post button by mistake before finishing.
Hence the doubler.
P. O. B. {Ed001's Note - no worries it happens.}

Hi P. O. B

Nowt yet, just kept asking if I had joined up yet and they would look out for my membership. Got the impression they wanted me to join up first.
Tell you what I'll do though. I'll email them to let them know I intend to post their replies with the name of the individual removed. Not that there's anything of concern in their replies but if we are able to post with anonymity on here then they should be afforded the same anonymity. Thanks for the reminder by the way. I'll post the original emails sent and the replies later this evening.

29 May 2013 14:04:42
its finally good to hear the supporters groups telling the board how its going to be if they don't get the finger out and also they don't want green back the groups all seem to support smith but he has done nothing to show the fans he's the man to trust

Absolutlely obscene what are you smoking, what has Walter Smith done for us to trust him? Is this a wind up away and boil your head and we'll all get a bowl of stupid soup! WALTER SMITH IS THE ONLY MEMBER OF THE BOARD I WOULD TRUST 110 %

9 league titles is enough to prove where his heart lies get a grip of yourself man. You cut walter smith open all you will see is Blue Red and White.

We want our club back.
It has been annexed by a group who you would not buy a second hand car from.
We don't want Green or any other of his wrecking crew.
Stockbridge shouldn't survive either after the low blow he levelled at Murray.
The fans will not accept a board which continues to act for it's own benefit.

Op what a load of crap the fans trust walter smith more than anyone else ws obviosly can't say much for a reason if ws walks away its big trouble and the fans are megga glad he is keeping an eye on things we are greatful he is still here tmwnn

Thebear82, if you don't trust Walter that says more about you than it does Walter, how can we expect the fans to unite when you are posting negative rubbish about a man who

Are there still plans to play in the states this summer?

All posters, if he is so trustworthy why is he not telling you what is going on at the club? Why has he not got up and cleared up the issue of ownership of ibrox and murray park? If he loves your new club so much why is he sitting there taking a wage and doing hee haw?
The posts are unbelievably naive and rediculous, especially the 9 in a row keek pmsl
Is this all because he wears a tie lol

All posters except 7 Walter was a great manager granted but since being a director his silence has been deafening the only thing he's said is he'll walk if Murray was sacked kind of says it all let's see if he becomes chairman if he will show the deeds to ibrox and Murray park and how much is in the bank since he's 110% rangers will he f*ck it will still be the same old sh*t this is the man who told green to never mind listening to the fans (persons) cause they booed him when we won 9 in a row so don't gies that guff he's 110% rangers everybody in ibrox are looking out for theirselves not the fans

29 May 2013 11:18:38
Does anyone have any idea if that Muppet white and his lawyers have any grounds? Surely no court in the land would take that crook seriously. Hate reverting back to this tedious drivel, especially when we're having a good transfer spell. Cheers

Green has admitted he conned Whyte so this is going to drag on for a long time.

His backers seem to think he's in the right.
One backer appears to have fronted the money.
He has partners, tapes, signed documents, bank transfers, witness statements,.
Green only appears to have denials.

Any crook in the land will be listened to in any court in the land if he has been illegally treated. A crook robbing a crook is still a crime. TTTS

Take a look at Whyte's track record. His company have put together some 300 paged document making out his claims. He's getting done for at least £17m by Ticketus, irrespective of his appeal which the judge at his hearing said he held little hope for any appeal.
He is involved in the legal company that has raised this action and quite simply needs money badly, at best for him he'll be paid off plus legal fees and this is what I think he is after, some dosh. Venture Capitalist - nothing ventured, nothing gained- irrespective of the truth.
It is green and Ahmed that are named in the document.
Specifically that Craig Whyte is due £137,000 and “an opportunity to redeem his reputation by achieving a turnaround success at Rangers Football Club. ”
And this not happening is deemed to have “…hindered his ability to conduct business activities in Scotland and/or elsewhere. ”
He even finds a way around the SFA bBut the Principals – as Craig Whyte and Aidan Earley are referred to – believed that if a new Rangers company was “quoted on a public market” then the SFA ban could be got around. an -
So he is banned but still claims he owns Sevco 5088 and goes on to blame not being involved with RFC whom he took to the administration for denying him the chance to redeem his career while conning Ticketus for £17m before this event, being banned previously as a company director and closing other companies to make money.
Craig Whyte doesn't need anyone to front him he's got enough to share out.

@2 if whyte has all that then why has legal proceedings not started because its. load of p*sh if there was any truth to this the court battle would already have started

I said at the time Whyte wouldn't just walk away and was told I was talking mince. Why would someone like him just give up potentially millions of pounds for nothing in return?

As much as we all despise him and as much as he is a noted liar I don't see how we can say for sure he hasn't got a case. Will certainly treat myself to a malt if I'm wrong.

29 May 2013 15:09:09
Whyte's might be bluffing and hoping for a out of court settlement. If he gets that I guarantee I will never return to Ibrox until the men who paid him that money are gone and I won't be the only one.

Whyte makes me feel sick any time I see his googley eyes.

You know this snake will not disappear why, I have been reading in certain newspaper about the bunnet and how he stepped into save us its like chalk and cheese. I think Scottish football should get the bunnet in to sort out the game up here and give it a 5 year plan.

#7 Maybe he is bluffing but if he was to receive an out of court settlement from Rangers then I'm sure the footballing authorities might have something to say about it as it would basically prove his links to Whyte, could even mean a revoked license.

Maybe it's actually best if this does go to court and it's finally settled one way or another.

Craig shyte will get his say in court lol when he will explain why he shafted the taxman for a few million lol ide be surprised if cw sees a courtroom except when he maybe be extradicted from wherever to answer his fraud charges causing rangers fc so much hastle tmwnn

29 May 2013 10:33:37
Would love to see us sign Witherspoon an Berra in the next few weeks even one of them would be fantastic. Also I would like to see novo come back what a moral boost that would be for the youngsters not that they will need much due to the signings we have made already. Here's to stage 2. Can't wait WATP onwards and upwards!. StevoRFC

Is Berra needed for 2nd division? Because he shouldn't be near our team when we make SPL ad he's garbage.

The youngsters? They will be sick at these signings. How many will get game time now?

Novo is a badge kisser stuff that if they bring him babk its a step back he had his time move on

29 May 2013 05:41:00
From a newspaper.

A meeting between BDO and creditors confirmed that Rangers (newco) purchased the right to the £2.1 million prize money issued by the SPL for finishing second in the league. This right was subsequently waived by Newco and Oldco in order for Rangers to be given a playing license for this season as one of the parts of the five way agreement set up by Oldco, Newco, SPL, SFA and SFL. The money remained with the SPL. Thoughts on this bears?

Blackmail

Nothing involving the spl & sfa surprise me, they had the chance of a generation to better scottish football. and their answer ; same as b4 but with play off's. they are going to try tooth & nail to look after no 1.

SPL scam.

No thoughts. If Green did not waive the cash then no licence and no team this year. It was a great deal when you think about it, otherwise the licence would have gone elsewhere.

The money should of went into the creditors pot. But the greedy spl decided to hold onto it for themselves.

Was some of that not supposed to be the cash that the SPL settled Rangers footballing debts with e.g cash to the Jambos for Wallace? Am I right in saying they never paid any cash to Hearts and we subsequently paid them ourselves (albeit with an 100k reduction)?
I don't know who to trust anymore, para as f**k!

Did the spl not say they would use the money to pay our debts to dundee utd for the cup game and surely hearts would av got some for the outstanding on the Wallace transfer

Is that the old classic? - Sporting integrity

We (SPL/SFA) give you a licence you give us 2m quid,
we give you transfer embargo you give us tv rights,
they also wanted our titles but thankfully CG said No

JG

Would have thought that in the interests of 'sporting integrity' that it would have at least been used for footballing debt.
apparently not in this lovely wee country of ours

bil72

If the club was concerned about creditors it could have paid some of them with some of the millions apparently in the bank instead of huge bonuses to people no longer on the board. Just a thought.

The spl never paid ant of rangers debt rangers paid there own debt the spl only took money not thinking of bigger picture look at the mess reagen and doncaster have caused and the gave themselfes pay rises of 60 grand between them for great job done why is nobody questioning that why have footy supporters excepted this rip off

The spl are riddled with bigots who hate the gers but let's wait and watch those clubs going down