Rangers Banter Archive January 02 2014

 

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02 Jan 2014 23:21:13
Happy New year everyone, very annoyed at the amount of people attending the games at dunfermline and Airdrie, when's the boycotts starting? Why are people posting on here miller and Boyd are signing? I thought the wage bill was getting slashed not increased?

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Happy New Year to you Sweep.
Sweep, there won't be a boycott mate. The last two years should have shown you that. Unless Ally or some equally influential Ranger leads the protest the majority of fans will continue to forget what they were angry about as the smoke and mirrors charm offensive has begun. Never mind Stockbridge, Irvine, deeds etc it'll just be Miller this, wee Novo that etc etc. You're wasting your time looking for a united front on here mate.

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@OP, I am afraid Baybear is right. Until we as a collective group stand up together this will continue to be the case. If we go into Admin or worse again, then we only have ourselves to blame

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{Ed039's Note - If you boycott games then Admin will be the only way, listen to yourselves, you are saying if we keep supporting the team we will go into admin or worse, so tell me how a boycott benefits then?)

Rangers will try and reduce the wage bill however that doesn't mean no one will come in. Doubt Boyd or Miller will rejoin as this isn't the way to go. As for who leaves it's all very well talking about Templeton, Shiels and Cribari but who is going to match their wages? Only really see Wallace interesting anyone but at what price? Will be very interesting to see what happens with Wallace if a bid of £1m comes in. Selling Wallace May be the catalyst for a boycott however I doubt this will happen as the likelihood of admin is a distinct possibility and surely no Rangers fan wants that again

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{Ed039's Note - Notts Forest have a keen interest in Wallace and the fee being quoted is £1m plus add ons. Dean Shiels is very likely on his way. Cribari would be gone already if he agreed to terminate his deal but we can only assume that he would want it paid up)

True enough Ed. I was mearly pointing out that you can't start a movement or gauge the majority opinion on here as past seasons have proved. The time for this sort of action passed us by and we are now 'over a barrel' so to speak. I just can't bring myself to support a regime who are yet to prove themselves to me but I won't be making any rallying calls to others on here. It's up to the individual to do what they see fit. I just hope this 'new'board are able to convince me I'm wrong in my stay away stance, I doubt it though. After being shafted on more than one occasion I feel the ball is firmly in their court to do the convincing. As a loyal supporter of 30 years I have nothing to prove to them. Time will tell but so far all I'm seeing is the status quo resuming a bit earlier than usual for the renewal run in. They needn't worry, the continued contempt for all things Rangers from others will ensure that our siege mentality dictates our overwhelming numbers on renewal day. I just don't like being treated like a gullible whore with her breeks roon her ankles.

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{Ed039's Note - I am not supporting a regime Baybear, but when that teams crosses the white line I will support it no matter what reservations I have about who is in the boardroom, who is in the dugout or the quality of player in possesion of the shirt. We are all entitled to our opinion but some of these opinions are going to drag us down a route that I personally wouldnt like to see us go down, ie my own opinion)

Ed who would be interested in Shiels? Only Celtic in Scotland could match his wages and it's obvious that ain't going to happen. He also didn't do particularly well in England so I would be surprised if anyone comes in for him. Cribari is entitled to ask for his money to leave and again what team would come in for him? £1m for Wallace is a false economy as in a few years time his value will rise and selling him would show fans that a team isn't getting built to even challenge for top 6 in top league and will seriously hinder even getting out of the championship. The signing policy has been irresponsible under Ally and it looks like we could be stuck with a lot of duds

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{Ed039's Note - Of course Cribari is entitled to be asked to be paid up, I would do the exact same thing in his position. I think Shiels might go somewhere for less money or try his hand abroad, say MLS or so, personally I would like him to stay because he is a creative influence and we need that. I mentioned a few weeks back that I wouldnt sell Wallace for £1m but received posts ridiculing me, but at the end of the day, if the club needs a cash injection NOW, then he is only worth what someone is willing to pay for him)

And I respect your right to that opinion Ed. It's totally down to how the individual feels about the situation. I just can't get up for supporting this team of McCoists when I feel aggrieved by the reasons behind them being signed in the first place. It would be hypocritical of me to support this team given my clear feelings. I won't denounce anyone else who supports McCoist or his team though. I just hope the eventual end game suits us all and we can all get back to supporting a Rangers to be proud of. As I've said many times before, it's nothing to do with player quality or winning every game for me. It's about honesty, integrity and hard work. If we were a team of home grown youngsters who were working hard but struggling I'd still be going to games. As it stands I feel we have bought our way to this title so far and that shows me we've learned nothing from our failings of the past. I won't support that. Just an opinion though.

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{Ed039's Note - fair one mate)

Ed some fair points and I would agree about Shiels he is probably the most creative player we have but mostly due to injury we haven't seen the best if him. As for Wallace I think it's likely a bid of £1m will see him go which to me would show the short term outlook by the board.

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{Ed039's Note - 100% agreed)

Cant believe this boycott crap is being spoke about. support the Team,

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Agree support the team, but that doesn't mean we have to buy our season tickets. If we pay per game that is supporting our team is it not? that way we are not funding any spivs wages etc? pay for view and then we will see how much money is left at every home game? then balance the books to suit?or do they need the money up front to keep us going? in which case the ball is indeeed "burst" because we are living n the "never, never" as in the past? surely not again I thought we had learnt that lesson?

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Sweep1,

Why are you annoyed at what others choose to do? If I were you, I would not worry myself over things you can't influence. Have your opinion, but let others have theirs too. Can't keep everyone happy.

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OP I also do not agree with boycotts but if a fan or fans group want to do so that's fine. Not for me though if they play in our teams colours it is in my dna to support them. "Your part of the problem then mate- your keeping them in power" We are all part of the problem because we don't own enough shares. Boycott and the club goes into Admin 2- NOT A GOOD IDEA- hugely damaging to any remnants of prestige never mind innocent people again suffering and hold on to your hat for "special" sanctions.
What is clear is that some players will leave this month and it probably won't be the guys we would have chosen.
A wee reminder in this weeks papers of how we got into this mess Alan Mcgregor's £26K per week- ffs £1. 35Million a year! Moshni gets booked then red carded and we are going to play one of our worst ever right backs as a centre half. We have a custom made specialist centre half in Gasparato but he is out on loan.
A time for good management please Mr McCoist and the above temporary solution is not good management nor is an ultra defensive substitution with a few minutes left in a game.

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Nbear2, we made the same substitution on Monday against Dunfermline and scored within minutes then went on to score again so it wasnt that negative.

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George here happy new year

To Baybear, Stewie and Ed plus any people prepared to listen to both sides of our fans and understand both opinions.

I personally feel that a boycott is one of the only ways to get this board to listen but I do not want to see my team Rangers affected on the pitch as firstly this is not their fault and secondly I really cannot deal with our own internal struggles allowing celtic to laugh at us and possibly win 10 in a row by default.

We have to organise a system of protest that makes the board react and more importantly the financial powerbrokers that have kept them there.

Right now the only way to do that if by unifying the support in actions against the board and not the team

I honestly feel that action AFTER we see no change in the financial development is the only thing we can do a boycott will not get rid of crooks it will only serve for them to use it as an excuse to cover up their lack of ability in the boardroom and much worse as a reason to sell or remortgage Ibrox to make up for losses incurred by a boycott WE CANNOT WIN WITH A BOYCOTT IF THEIR ARE DETERMINED TO MILK RANGERS OF MONEY.

What action we take can be simply organised if we are UNITED as a support.

45000 fans outside the ground or more importantly sitting IN the ground after a game would have much more effect than any boycott.

Not saying that is the only option but it is the only one I personally can think of that affects the board and not the team

george

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George

Totally agree with your post. If 45000 stood on Edminston Drive and not go in to the stadium, the shareholders would soon act to provide the changes, transparency and answers the fans are asking for.

It would take no more than 3 home games if we have the b*****ks to see it out.

Remember what we have asked for over the last two seasons is not difficult for the board to provide but for some reason they choose not to.

The Ed is right in that boycott over a sustained period will be very damaging to the club and clearly we would not want this but we have to do something.

I have made my decision and finally arrived exactly where Baybear is on all things Rangers.

When it comes down to it at season ticket renewal time I will likely shell out again against my better judgement because yet again we will have the gun put to our heads and it will be about Rangers survival.

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@14 the problem is that not all Rangers fans are against the board, also do you really expect fans that go to the games with their kids will want to stand outside the ground and not go in? I agree with the principle but the reality is that it ain't going to happen. The only way I can see something working is by a season ticket boycott but that could have dire consequences for the club

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@15 I understand that not all fans agree with my views but yes I do expect the fans to turn up and not take their kids in to the ground if neccessary. This is not a great hardship and if explained to the kids why, they will understand the importance of the action. Alternatively don't take the kids to a game they will not see if it is a concern.

I agree that the reality is that it is very unlikely to happen but only because we collectively choose not to to take some form of action which would have a real effect. This is just one suggestion.

I would not support a season ticket boycott but will again think seriously at renewal time. Today we still have the opportunity to influence what we will be paying for when the season books are renewed and be able to say at least we tried to do something. If we don't and things go as bad as some people think, then the fans will be responsible for the demise of the club this time.

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02 Jan 2014 22:13:29
That is one of the worst games I've ever been to. There is no enjoyment in going to watch Rangers anymore. The football we play is laughable.

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Very poor stuff against the worst team in the league. Hanging on at the end and as the match went on looking less likely to score.

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I think some fans may have short memories. Yes it could be better but we have seen equally as poor performances every season I have been a season ticket holder especially during the McLeish and Smith era's. Anyone who watched Rangers during the Greig years knows it can get a lot worse than what we are currently getting.

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@2 yes all Rangers fans have seen poor performances throughout the years however the era's you mention were in the top league against far better opposition. Some of the performances over the last 2 years have been shocking against part time opposition and the Stranraer and Airdrie games the part time opposition finished the game more strongly than their full time opponents

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You talk about fans being united but until there is 1 united fan group then it will never happen.

also seems strange to me that these fans groups/ supporters clubs are not asking season ticket holders to join?

membership for provided with the ticket renewal?

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@4 Good points and not a bad a idea. The problem always seems to be who will be lead this and make it happen. We always seem to be short of genuine leadership who the fans generally can rally behind

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02 Jan 2014 22:01:53
Anybody who seen tonight's game able to tell me how wee aird played? Really hope he holds down the right side position in place of peralta. Cracking wee player who's only going to get better with game time.

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{Ed039's Note - He played OK, but nothing better than that, he isnt playing with a natural full back in Faure on the right hand side, Faure isnt on the overlap as often as a normal full back so he gets doubled up alot, but he is a good wee player and if he holds down a place and builds his confidence then he will do OK)

Cheers for the update ed. Totally agree with u on faire. Unfortunately he's what we've got for now. Hoping to see more of aird as I've stated my feelings on peralta.

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02 Jan 2014 20:22:00
ok not great tonight, another win. but I am shocked at the tackles the refs allow in this lower leagues. some shockers. and then big Moshni gets a red card at full time. these refs are aweful. fodder for the lower leagues, all trying to make a name for themselves, but they are sub standard.

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{Ed039's Note - Mohsni was just stupidity though, although some of the tackles were crackers, but it is nothing new, we just havent seen them before)

02 Jan 2014 19:33:02
Said before mccoist has not got a clue how to change things when their not working. It was shocking tonight

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{Ed039's Note - We hung on for a win in the end, sacraficing a striker for a defender to see out the game is shocking when you consider the gulf in quality between the 2 teams)

That would make you weep tonight, and to all the Ally lovers if you think another manager would not have these players looking better you are living on another planet.

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No shape. No plan. Just folded arms standing next to the dugout. Doing the same things. expecting different outcomes. insanity.

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It's hard to believe that was the same team that did so well on Tuesday. I take it Templeton is injured as he wasn't even on the bench but biggest criticism of Ally would be not seeing the need to change things early in the second half. I agree with the ED shocking substitution with about 5 minutes to go. Shiels was fit so should have been on. Black wasn't the worst and he has his supporters on here but not for me. Too many back passes, wastes free kicks and his petulance and bookings will cost the team more than he brings to it. Ed on the rumours page you were saying Hemmings was injured too much and we couldn't afford passengers but to me that is exactly what Faure is but my biggest concern is for one of our main men McLeod. Hopefully his injury is not too serious because him and Wallace alone got pass marks IMO

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Woeful again and hanging on at the end against the worst team in the league. Bringing Foster on for Clark sums Ally up. The team started well enough but just got worse and in the second half never looked like scoring. As the game went on too many players were hiding just like the Stranraer game. Very poor stuff. Agree about Black very poor and why does he take free kicks when it's clear he can't take them? Dire stuff and it doesn't bode well for the championship next season when we will be coming up against better sides and with a slashed budget

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02 Jan 2014 15:02:47
Remember the 66
G. B. N. F ABSENT FRIENDS
r. f

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02 Jan 2014 11:01:23
Will rangers lose any games this half of the season? Thoughts?

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More worried abut losing players. The league is already won.

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Maybe!!

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Me, I am only interested in losing McCoist and the rest of the spivs from Ibrox. Nothing has changed get them out.

100% Boycott. for all the stupid fans who go to the games, grow some balls. They are just stealing your hard earned cash and you are allowing it. waken up. ffs

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Who cares we play a s*** style of fitba anyhow, I will never step foot back inside Ibrox till all the are gone. including McCoist

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02 Jan 2014 01:28:19
R. I. P the 66 GBNF no matter what team u support no fan should go to a game and never return home

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Here Here Gunniebhoy well said.

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02 Jan 2014 20:55:18
Still remember the day as a youngster. My mum going out to wait on the supporters bus arriving back and nobody on the bus knew what had happened, which probably sounds amazing to young people today in the age of mobile phones and the internet. Meanwhile I'd have been watching Grandstand I think as the news came in of the casualties rising and rising.

RIP to those less fortunate than my father.

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