Rangers Banter Archive January 30 2013

30 Jan 2013 19:53:56
Attention all Ally 'haters'

if you reckon ally is the reason we are playing rubbish, why don't you try and manage a team with NO PRE SEASON SCHEDULE, no experience in that league and most importantly the majority being the former youth team! People expect us to play like we did 2 years ago. We have an entire new squad bar what, 2 players? even one of them was slipping down the pecking order anyway. A team can't just play well together overnight. look at man united, took fergie 4 years to get the right team and look at him now - he's carved 3 full teams out of united and they've all been world class! Fergie also had his upsets, Wish you lot would **** off and give the guy a break, suprised he hasn't left with such lack of support. he keeps the teams morale high and the fans morale high, and in the situation we are in right now it is what we need! 15 or so points clear top of the league and you still aren't satisfied!

You cannot win every game, stop expecting this and calling for Ally's head whenever we drop points. they may be part timers, but we are playing youngsters who were equivelant to part timers last season. And lower division football is a whole different game to top flight.
Sorry for swearing but its really making my blood boil whenever weather fans call for the managers sacking when they lose, like its a fashion or something.

Support your team, your manager and your players.

WE ARE THE PEOPLE, THEN NOW AND FOREVER. Stevemac {The Ed039's Note -Steve, nobody is insisting that every game should be won, but a more stylish and exciting product is what is needed, with the price of an SFL3 season ticket compared to the average and the wages that we are paying players. Regardless of the set backs, the players we have should be brushing 3rd division sides aside every single week, when backs are against the wall then the players we have should be able to produce more, a better quality of attacking football. But they are not and the gaffer has to shoulder that responsibility because he puts the team out on the pitch, and he has been shown up as a poor manager, I love Ally McCoist, he is a legend and his loyalty will never be forgotten, but in my humble opinion, he should move aside for the best interests of the club because another coach will get a lot more out of the young players at his disposal and they in return will become even better again)

Need to agree with op here ed, any and every manager who takes over the reins at RFC the now is going to come in for a barrage of criticism. On paper RFC should be able to beat every team from bottom to top but it never works out like that.

Ed if a team of young boys that's been flung together should be brushing 3rd div teams aside then how did celtics 15 million team struggle to beat Arbroath.ally pick the team it's the players that are on the park playin rubbish people are to quick to shout their mouths of let's see wot he does wen he can buy players he wants in his team {The Ed039's Note - I did say that we were not expected to win every game, its the tactics that have shown Ally up, I do not rate him as a manager and its my opinion and I am entitled to as is everyone else, thats all)

So on the 30th of January a lack of pre season against diddy German and Danish sides is still being prayed in aid for Ally !! {The Ed039's Note - Seems so John the Jag, and I dont agree with it either, not in this division)

It's not just about this season may I remind you that under Ally we have lost to Malmo and Maribor(hardly the giants of European football) Falkirk in the cup been hammered at home by Dundee Utd & ICT in cups not to mention losing to QOS in the Ramsdens cup. We also squandered a 15 point lead to Celtic. This season he has been able to sign SPL players like Shiels, Sandaza, Black and Kyle and was able to spend £800k on Templeton. No other team in the division is able to do that. We are up against part time players and are struggling to beat them. In fact some of those teams have finished matches stronger. The continues to play players out of position and 1 up front at home. If your happy with this and the standard of football then fine. Me and many other Rangers fans expect better

Totally agree with you ed,
ally is the worst rangers manager ever and it pains me to say that about such a rangers legend but he is totally inept, forget all about no preseason and having to through in youngsters, they are playing against part-timers for christ sake and as for 1 up front that makes me puke, we should be playing 1 at the back against 3rd div opposition.

iw {The Ed039's Note - A bit much with 1 at the back but I understand what you are saying and agree totally)

To n.o 2 you can go on and on about this....but one thing you said we should not be quick to ask ally to move aside
think a lot of fans have know for a long time ally aren't got it do you remember when ally had the cup sides...flat as a pancake nothing there just nothing that was a while ago now....les

Majority being former youth players? Alexander, Cribari, Wallace, Black, Shiels, Templeton, McCulloch have played the bulk of the games and none of them came through the youth set up. {The Ed039's Note - These players should be brushing 3rd division teams aside, but players at ALL LEVELS need guidance and they arent getting it. But I believe the youngsters need someone to push them onto the next level, and Ally isnt the man to do that, I dont believe they will improve significantly with a gaffer with such megre tactical knowhow. I dont know how many times I have to say that I hate slagging Ally, but we are talking about Ally the manager and not Ally to goalscoring machine and some people have trouble differencing the two)

I'm of the opinion that we owe Charles Green and Ally for our continued presence in Scottish football, much to the annoyance of most spl clubs/fans and the sfa/spl.
However, things must progress and that must include management and players. No supporter sees us through bluer tinted glasses than me, but the standard of our play has been, in general, poor. Yes we are in pole position at our current level but we must show improvement as we prepare for next season. Like the Ed and many loyal supporters there is doubt that Ally isnt the man to take us where we would like to be.
That is why we need Mr Green to be more transparent with the plans for the club and to accept that we, presently, have no say on the re-stucture, but we do have one ace, us, the fans and our power in numbers. Tannadice for a start, then the record and mail. Just see how much the tv companies take notice and without their ratification no re-structure will take place.
Billy B.

OP how does that explain last years capitulation then? We're you happy with that too? Ally had rangers pumped out of every cup very early on as well as losing to a pub team in Europe! Which pretty much led to administration due to lack of European funds into the club at a very crucial time!
So is that ok for you then?
NaCS

@ 9. Your argument dies not add up. Ffs. Wish people would stop saying Europe caused admin. It's a desperate comment from those hell bent on trying to bad mouth ally mccoist. The clubs finances should never have relied on see league participation. Not with 2 sets of qualifiers. It may escape your memory but rangers didn't qualify through Prelims since 2007/08. Nor did Celtic before this season so if business plan was to rely on this then its no wonder we went down. This is something way above the first team manager.

@10 (@9) I do agree with what you have said but believe that it was well publicized that rangers were in such a dire state that they needed to get into CL group stage to keep out of further trouble! This along with decent domestic cup campaigns would have kept much needed extra revenue coming into the club. Therefore, through the failure to qualify and get a decent run going in the domestic competitions, the obvious knock on affect which we have all now witnessed at Rangers was bound to happen!
I agree with you saying that this was a position that the club were put in by the board, but still the failure of ally to motivate, coach and maybe even inspire his team to victory and therefore leading to the much needed further funding to keep the club running! Then whyte had to find other methods of funding his club ie not paying the club's taxes!

I hate people using the fact we are playing youngsters as a reason for the poor results we have had. From what I have seen the youngsters look more like rangers quality than the senior pros we have at the moment. These last few games have been dire and to me barrie mckay being used as a sub is the reason for those results. We are watching our senior pros struggle to string two passes together, I don't see any of them demanding the ball and showing composure when they have it. IMO our youngsters are the only players who actually make these part time players look like part timers. Our experienced players are getting dragged down to that level rather dominating it.
We should be trying something new while we are in the 3rd. I wouldn't mind drawing the odd game if we actually tried little challenges for each game such as making 100 consecutive passes or trying to end the game with 80% possesion. Get our players to use these games as practice sessions to perfect one touch passing and off the ball movement. These long diagonal punts up the park are shocking, are we really reduced to fighting for the scraps of a punt to try and create space for our strikers. Something has to change for ally, the fans won't suffer this much longer.

Only got as far on the OP as the no pre season excuse which is pathetic, what do you think Annan and Queen's Park do during a pre season, spend a couple of weeks in the sun playing glamour friendlies?

Get real!

@9 a decent manager would've wipe the floor with malmo and the other lot we lost to in Europa league was a joke.

30 Jan 2013 13:08:57
I see the tax experts, I mean Celtic fans are back on here posting the usual dross about HMRC and what not. Isn't anyone esle bored of this? I mean seriously I thought this was all done and by with when the last verdict came back! We were guilty until proven innocent from the start and the fact everyone is still going on and on and on about it really shows the haters are out there still trying to have a kick, build a bridge and get over it!

If you keep saying innonce what elese can folks do

This is far from over.Rangers were found guilty in a percentage of the cases but HMRC are pushing for the lot. {The Ed039's Note - So have they launched an appeal? Do you know something we dont?)

I don't know why people can disagree with #2! the club admitted guilt on some of the original cases then appealed the remainder. So even if the appeal isn't approved, Rangers were still found to be guilty on tax evasion albeit not to the level thought before the FTTT result came through!

Deary me the tax, the accountants, the financial advisers, the stock brokers oh and the lawyers from the dark side are out in force, all I can say is that this dark side lawyers firm if it is made up of the same sort of eastenders, we have on here, we are laughin all the way to the top, a mean bank.

U mean you wished it wasnt over pal.u want to keep us down .we will rise from ashes we are the only ones that will challenge in future.away an bile yir heid

HMRC has sought approval to appeal against the FTTT verdict.

This was taken of BBC, so I would say there is a high chance there will be an appeal {The Ed039's Note - They are looking for approval for an appeal, what will have to be considered is if it is worth spending more millions chasing this and how little they are able to recover. I would doubt this would be sanctioned, I know they would like to set a precedent but how long would it take and it would not be financially viable for them to do so)

Brilliant ed, same old p....s fae the dark side {The Ed039's Note - They were also seeking permission on the 4th December and it is now 30th Jan without any real clarity over whether they are going to do it or not, anybody know typically what a time frame is on an FTTT appeal as surely it cant be open ended)

Has the time not passed for them to appeal the decision {The Ed039's Note - From what I can see the maximum amount of time the FTTT allows to appeal a decision is 56 days, today makes it 71 days since the verdict was delivered, but whether them indicating they are seeking permission to appeal does something I dont know)

30 Jan 2013 11:43:53
Johnny Russell and Gary mackay smith signing for crystal palace tomorrow, must give us a better chance of winning on Saturday?

To be quite honest with you I would love us to win up there being a rangers fan I always want my team to do well, but I'm just not that sure we aren't that level yet, I don't see a great deal of difference between the spl and third division to be honest the standards very poor in Scotland as a whole, but we really don't look thatbgreatbat the back and as much as I'm enjoying the younger guys getting there chance, were very light up top, sandaza s a flop, Kyle well enough said that leaves little who infringes is a decent talent but nt exactly a prolific scorer is he.were going in thevrightbdirection but its going to take a few years yet till we can go into theses Game against the top 6 in the spl with any real confidence.but doesn't mean we shouldn't give it our best though.good luck bears lets get at them from the start.

Well that only goes to show that CG and Allister were correct then. The idea is completly flawed and has not neen thought out correctly. I also see some fans groups have already complained about it. Sporting integrity seems to have been lost.

Can see us getting turned over on Saturday, but we play it like a cup tie the way teams have always played against us! Give everything and see what happens, and don't have mccoist hung drawn and quartered if we get beat, the guy isn't an person! He cares about this club more than anyone, do people honestly believe that he plays two holding midfielders because he doesn't believe any other tactics exist? Also people calling the 'Brazilian' useless, learn his name! Hardly shows support when you can't even be bothers to learn the players names! Hately was murder at first, he was never called the 'English' {The Ed039's Note - I remember Hateley being called alot worse at Ibrox in the early days)

Good honest post mate.

@3 Eh what's the Brazilian's name then.
Tam

@5 the Brazilians name is edmilson cribari

30 Jan 2013 06:55:34
Anyone else agree that the scouting and coaching staff at rangers is in need of a massive overhaul?

First of all the scouting, the players being brought into rangers in the last few years, McKay, Stella, Ortiz, Bedoya, Cribari, and the list goes on, these players have all been duds, very average level of ability and I feel if we want to move on and improve the accounting must improve, hurts me today it but Celtic are miles ahead in their scouting system, Kayal, Wanyama, Hooper. All very reasonable signings with a very high sell on fee value, scouting at rangers must get investment and must improve.

The coaching, seems to me with what I've seen so far this season that the coaching is not upto scratch at the minute, the standard of players we have at the moment should be walking every game 3-0+ in my opinion. Also the standard and style of football we play is not attractive to watch and must improve. The level of fitness in the squad also doesn't seem great, playing against part time players the last 20 minutes of games we should be dominating with superior fitness levels but I do not see this happening. Can't help but feel they players and coaches are getting too comfortable and relaxed in their jobs, fresh eyes and new ideas are needed.

Jas

Nice post mate totally agree

30 Jan 2013 06:01:12
Back to football - Queens Park have 3 games in hand over us (1 at home and 2 away), they are presently 20pts behind and all the talk is of us with this large lead. I know we will win this league however QP win their 3 games and it's down to 11pts lead. Not that convincing a win.
Ally and the players need a reality check and to start playing and winning convincingly, get their act together.

Only 20 points clear?
Bloody disgrace so it is.
If QP get it to 11, it is still a bloody disgrace. We have not played well and are still miles in front!!!

Some people need to get a grip. Its about getting back to top level, if we win league on goal difference its all that matters- won't come to that of course. Its a long road back.

Wonder if that happens would all of yous come up with the same excuses of last year with celtic? Cause going by yous and your thoughts of last year since they have 3 games to play your lead only stands at 11 right now right?

Points on the board are worth more than games in hand. Not remember celtic having games in hand, then bottling it inrox, mcgregor penalty save, then the bottle completely crashed against ict {The Ed039's Note - Would still much rather have points on the board)

If rangers hadnt been docked 10 points last season we would have won the league because no bottle lennons team would have collapsed

After Black put Nasmith out the game the Team was never the same.

Are only 2 games in hand and who's to say they are going to win them so stop with the wot ifs the gers are still 20 points clear {The Ed039's Note - No, they are 3 games in hand)