Rangers Banter Archive July 31 2015

 

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31 Jul 2015 21:21:15
Liam kelly to start on sunday, yes or no?

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31 Jul 2015 22:25:10
who is liam kelly

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01 aug 2015 01:55:23
u20s gk

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01 Aug 2015 03:12:06
Seen him in that cup final vs Celtic and in the warm up vs burnely, he couldn't catch a cold dives the wrong way a lot

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01 Aug 2015 09:39:02
I think foderingham should play, New boys need games under there belts.

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01 Aug 2015 11:10:07
Is that Foderi than condemned after one game.

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31 Jul 2015 20:45:38
Can't wait till Sunday been a long time since we've went to a game with a smile on our face. Get right behind the boys and give the boss and big davie a real Rangers welcome watp

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31 Jul 2015 21:34:47
Is the game on tv at all.

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01 Aug 2015 03:13:31
Nah Davie mate if your a subscriber to rangers TV you can watch it there if not vipbox is a good site for games

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01 Aug 2015 08:03:16
Can only watch on rangers TV if you are overseas and after midnight in this country I think

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01 Aug 2015 14:23:08
Use your computer, FEED2ALL website I believe, you can watch any match, good luck, Come on Rangers

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31 Jul 2015 20:31:34
I hope both templeton kicks on and become the player he should be and that warbs gives him time and transforms him 2 his potential. He has bags of talent with no confidence(fair does he's made of chocolate) he's defo sum1 who ontop of his game that could make us money if we gave new contract then sold on

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31 Jul 2015 17:58:17
Personally think it's time to forget the sa saga, time to fully get behind the boys we have and any other new recruits we bring in! Let sa get his head together and play for hibs, their moronic element will get bored after a month or so, then if we still want him in January we can get him for the sum of f all?

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31 Jul 2015 16:46:04
If we don't get sa then its still a coup for the gers as allans heart no at hibs now so hibs best player will be half hearted in the games and defo pulling out of 50 50s as he no want to get injured either way its a win win for us maybe its a total genius we h.ave at the healm now as the little transfer we have offered for him.unsettle the player and hibs.show him we want him and get him on pre contract for nothing for back in premiership.lets win the champuonship by christmas an let dave king concentrated on the club itself.so far so good

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31 Jul 2015 13:52:31
I wonder what Alan Stubbs reaction would be if celtic or a EPL club offered him the opportunity to manage them and hibs said under no circumstances are you allowed to leave, I wonder if he would be happy enough to stay and see out his contract! Don't think so somehow

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31 Jul 2015 14:01:07
thats the flip side case of don't do as I do do what I say

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31 Jul 2015 14:18:22
Just ask Liam Craig how he feels about stubbs and petrie lol. There used to breaking promises.

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31 Jul 2015 15:08:21
Hibs are well within there rights to keep alan however if they told him if a bigger club came in he could go and then went back on this then its a disgrace possibly ruining his chance to play for his boyhood heroes. If it was me I would be telling hibs I won't try a leg this season if they don't sell

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01 Aug 2015 10:47:04
RossW01, a contract is a contract. Everyone moans about player power and agents telling players to go on strike to get a move. Its disgraceful. If the story about moving to a bigger club is true then his agent should have got that in the contract. Simple. He has as a contract at Hibs. They don't want to sell. End of, move on. If the kid the decides he is not going to try because he can't get his way then no club should trust him moving forward because this will start again with his next club as soon as he falls out with the manager. It's happened time and again and every player that pulls that trick always ends up causing issues. I hope this boy is better than that. Go our roll your sleeves up and move to whomever wants him as a free agent next year.

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31 Jul 2015 12:42:45
Stv linking us with ex Brentford midfielder Toumani Diagouraga, possible alternative now clear SA is not happening.

Am I the only person who thinks this situation has worked out rather well? We need players and he is a good player but hibs need him more. After the way it has developed there is no way he will be a positive influence due to being forced to stay. Only a desperate club keeps a player in these circumstances. We have taken away their best weapon and seriously upset their pre season.

This story will rumble on beyond the transfer window and be a constant thorn in their side. Then we will get our man in January.

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31 Jul 2015 13:33:32
Diagouraga is a big physical Defensive midfielder, Allan is an attacking mid, slightly different. however yes the situation has worked in our favour.

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31 Jul 2015 12:13:07
Guys ryan is right we can sign him on a pre contract but hibs have to give rangers or any orher scottish club permission to speak to the player any club outside scotland don't need permission to talk to him though

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31 Jul 2015 12:34:46
Nope. We need to inform Hibs in writing but don't need their permission.

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31 Jul 2015 13:49:04
And in todays world of agents etc. do you really think that it does not happen regardless of permission/in writing or whatever.

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31 Jul 2015 11:17:53
all we have done is put a bid in for a football player is that not what happens in football if the team rejects the bid you bid again Hibs and Stubbs are being a bit stupid about all of this it was them that made it public if the boy wants to live his dream of playing for his boyhood heroes let him go

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31 Jul 2015 13:21:11
hibs are playing the injured party they got the boy for nothing if rangers pay circa £325k that's the only profit they will make this year they maybe earned quite a bit of money in the past for transfers but now allan is the only pay day this season so I reckon somewhere between noe and the close of the window they will let him go does not matter what stubbs says he has an unhappy player on his hands which will affect the rest of the squad and fans will give allan a hard time

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31 Jul 2015 16:03:51
wit would stubbs do if everton wanted him to be manager after signing his new deal I no not in same league but team he supports would he want to go mmmmmmm

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31 Jul 2015 10:31:48
Stubbs' " I would advise any player out there never to have a verbal agreement with anybody. " Hmm. we live and learn.

Respect between management and employees is a two way street.

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31 Jul 2015 11:22:51
A verbal agreement is not worth the paper it's written on , everyone knows that 😊

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31 Jul 2015 12:22:46
I think you will find in Scotland a verbal agreement is law abiding

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31 Jul 2015 13:54:43
Benny

It has to be in front of a third (neutral) party to take it to court or judge will dismiss for lack of proof.

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02 Aug 2015 11:52:46
thats a fact under scots law a handshake concludes a bargain or deal

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31 Jul 2015 09:55:53
Hi anybody got any idea who the 2 or 3 players are that rangers need

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31 Jul 2015 10:34:23
A holding midfielder, which we are linked to 3 off. other than that we are okay, maybe some cover for the wingers and a leftback.

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31 Jul 2015 09:50:37
rangers should ditch there bid for scott allan tell his agent they will sign him in january on a pre contract we have a good midfield plenty of cover with murduch maybe even eustace to be added to the midfield that played at easter road

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31 Jul 2015 10:19:20
Can't sign him till his contract up can only speak to him in January if hibs allow and a doubt they will!

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31 Jul 2015 10:32:53
He is 23, we can sign him in January on a pre-contract. anyone under 23 is a nono to pre-contracts, 23 and over is okay.

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31 Jul 2015 10:37:08
Sorry Ryan your wrong.he can sign a pre contract in January with any club.

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31 Jul 2015 10:38:12
We can sign him in January on a pre contract and he can speak with whoever he wants if he is in the last 6 months of his contract ryan!

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31 Jul 2015 16:52:28
I think yese r wrong on that if the 2 teams r in the same league but if am wrong I'll hold Ma hands up I just think that is the case maybe a ed would be able to clear it up for me!

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31 Jul 2015 09:43:32
I see that Parma have started up as a new club, really is a shame that no one came in to save them. Once had such great players. The annoying part of it all is that the obsessed will think it gives them ammunition for the "new club argument".

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31 Jul 2015 09:53:04
Wrong (as ever), the "obsessed" will think that's what happens when a club spends far more money than it has. And for the record it is a shame, it's a shame when it happens to any club but when the expenditure exceeds the income AND YOU CONTINUE SPENDING BEYOND YOUR MEANS then hell mend you if a sugar daddy or other funding isn't available.

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31 Jul 2015 10:26:48
Also Gaz I'm not wrong at all here, I've already heard it from many fans who do not support rangers yet only talk about them. They used parma as an example of how Rangers are a new team, must admit it was a good chuckle.

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31 Jul 2015 11:00:39
Did the parent company of parma not go bankrupt in 2004/2005?

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31 Jul 2015 11:23:18
To the Parma fans they will always be the same club as they will be for most people without agendas I would guess.

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31 Jul 2015 12:13:52
Onlyshow right now you are talking to me and that isn't my opinion. It never crossed my mind that "Oh goody I can relate this to Rangers". What crossed my mind was how a team that had Thuram, Buffon, Cannavaro and Veron amongst a host of others can fall so far. And it is a cautionary tale, sure Parmalat crashed but they were clearly living way beyond their means, the very thing the FFP is there to prevent. Chelsea are but an Abramovich heart attack away from ending like Gretna much as they would deny it and Man City would be in even worse debt should their backers disappear.

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31 Jul 2015 13:35:19
Funny that cause all you seem to do is be on a rangers site, my bad Gaz, I just thought as you are always here you must link everything and anything with us.

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31 Jul 2015 14:01:33
WHAT teams do not spend more than their means?
Certainly not most PL and continentals, I think, if you consider the weird loans many have.

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31 Jul 2015 14:01:59
I should have said successful teams do not spend more than they earn

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31 Jul 2015 14:36:27
Onlyshow you're presumptions are generally miles off the mark so I really shouldn't be surprised but trust me on this one I did not relate it to Rangers and hadn't commented on it, you then said we would tie it up to new clubs, I told you I didn't. That relates to me, the door was opened for a "Celtic" reply when you, as ever, made some nonsense claim. Tell you what stop mentioning us and it might just reduce our input. I've been named twice in here lately and the references to Celtic are numerous but we're "obsessed" haha. Is there a Rangers player alive or dead mentioned more often than Scott Allan has been? And short of possibly McCoist, Stubbs has clearly had more mentions than any other manager, even Warburton bizarrely. I doubt some of you guys could go five minutes without having something or someone to get bitter about. Prove me wrong.

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31 Jul 2015 17:26:40
Please tell all us bitter b*****ds why the eff you keep trying to wind everybody up. In my opinion, your posts should be in a column of their own and maybe call it 'the gaza strip!'

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{Ed001's Note - that is a brilliant name for a comic that.....}

31 Jul 2015 21:42:02
Because Billyb (and it was a good name by the way) I can't believe some of the crap in here, we've all been there our team is crap whatever, I was at a ton of old firm games during your 9iar and it was bloody horrible. But it taught me humility and never boast too loudly etc because who knows what is round the corner. Meantime today Davie 1980 is talking about winning the league by xmas. Someone yesterday suggested a youth on the subs bench every week for when you are up 3-0 at HT and some other genius said Stubbs should be on a shoogly peg if they sell Allan, this was before his contract extension I hasten to add. The arrogance is breathtaking and I'll happily take it down a peg for all and sundry with some garbage claim, less garbage less "winding up" arguably but some of you can't help it I reckon, it's in built, some smug, inherited notion that the world owes Rangers something. Wrong, wrong, wrong. And by the way I never called you b*****ds you did.

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31 Jul 2015 23:21:02
Come on gaz, all valid points but there is astounding arrogance on the Celtic page too from some re winning the treble easily this year, qualifying for group stages of champions league as if it should be your divine right not to mention ten in a row already in the bag, Celtic too big for Scottish football etc. I don't go on there very often and don't comment anymore even when I do, despite a lot of what I see 'getting on my goat' as in relation to us all I read is sevco this or that, ibrokes, etc and I quickly found it wasn't worth wasting my time or breath on it. It's exactly the same thing in this instance.

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01 Aug 2015 09:18:23
Gaz, Some not too bad points, but you and humility cannot really be taken in the same breath.
Spart is correct and what we have is the pot calling the kettle black. I feel that you come on this site like a condescending school teacher. You make some good points in your posts, but your delivery needs toned down.
In my opinion, we [ bluenoses.] are divided in our interpretation of everything that is Rangers. The one thing that we are proud of, is the fact that we are bluenoses and we do not need any lectures.
Maybe we are deluded, maybe we can be arrogant and sometimes we hide from the facts but we are united in one thing -------
THE GLASGOW RANGERS.

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31 Jul 2015 06:51:00
The Newcastle fans have now got there own supporters strip. The initial load have now sold out and the fans group is now planning more . They too are sick of rip off Cashley. We have the oppertunity to join with the fans of Newcastle to get rid this Cashley. Sports direct shareholders will soon approach cashley when the company takings start to faulter

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31 Jul 2015 07:41:52
we have enough trouble without getting mixxed up in any more

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31 Jul 2015 08:52:51
By paying for any shortfall in sales, we must be the ONLY club in the world that loses money on the official club merchandise.
DK, pay the £5million and then sit down and sort out the details, as you will be in a stronger position to negotiate, having all the club's assets back. You will also start getting some return rather than paying money out.
If there are quality problems, sort it out, but it is very important that our fans start buying our own club's merchandise.

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31 Jul 2015 09:35:36
billy it ain't as easy as that the terms of the deal are not straight forward u don't pay the money and get everything back only a bit sommers and co should be lynched

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31 Jul 2015 09:58:33
Yeah OCRSC a Newcastle and even Rangers fan embargo will dent their £6m sales a day to the extent that Ashley will get moaned at by shareholders???? You are already embargoing them and the profits still roll in, Newcastle's minor contribution to Sports Direct's sales (again with a partial embargo in place) won't make any significant change to his profits please get real about this, he makes money from you either way, who is to say if the Newcastle deal isn't similarly worded too?

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31 Jul 2015 10:09:32
BIGWULL, IF that is the case, then someone on the board should tell us the basics on the deal. I am all for the board carrying out their business behind closed doors, but this situation is a one-off. On the face of it, we are in a farcical position and need income from all potential sources. The deal may not be straight forward, but it cannot be that complicated that it cannot be resolved, relatively easily.

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31 Jul 2015 12:05:12
Billy, they wanted to disclose the nature of the contract and exactly how detrimental to rangers it is but were stopped from doing so by Ashley's court injunction.

Also the way the shares are, rangers, even if returned to 51% shareholding, will have no control in terms of changing anything or making decisions re rangers retail as sports directs 49% shares outweighs rangers 51% 2 to 1 as rangers shares in rr are classed as secondary shares.

Like wull said, it isn't that simple I'm afraid.

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31 Jul 2015 13:17:55
Spart,Your arithmetic does not make sense and I think you may be confusing preferential shares and ordinary shares. However, if the ordinary share ratio is 51/49 then that will be how the net profits will be divided.

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31 Jul 2015 15:07:18
Arithmetic is fine Billyb, sports directs shares in rangers retail are ordinary A shares when it comes to voting on changes to business model, practices etc, rangers shares are ordinary B shares. Therefore for each share sd has 2 votes to our 1. Even returned to previous 51% rangers would have no say in how rangers retail operates as 51% would only equate to just over 33% in actual voting rights. Why pay 5m to achieve zero progress on that front? Also read in another related article that the club crest etc are held within rangers retail umbrella anyway so the assumption the rights will automatically return to rangers control from sd once loan repaid, as has always been implied, may be less clear than we all think if rr would still be in overall control of it anyway. That's a different argument though.

Google rangers retail shares breakdown and click on the companycheck link if you don't believe it. Sd retail services Ltd 49% of A (the important factor) shares, sportsdirect.com retail Ltd 26% of B shares and Rangers football club Ltd 25% of B shares.

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31 Jul 2015 16:30:04
Also Billyb, if the profits for 51-49 split was as you imply above, virtually even, why did rangers only receive 590k of the 7.5m profits rangers retail made in 2014 and sd pocketed the rest? Surely that wouldn't be possible by your assessment.

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31 Jul 2015 17:53:30
Well spart, your explanation does not even come close to giving me an understanding of your interpretation of the merchandising contract. In these circumstances, I have no response except to say, if it is anywhere close to your explanation, it is not just confusing it is fraudulent.

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30 Jul 2015 23:33:04
Someone tell me this isn't true! Offer for SA was payment over two years with an add on if Rangers went up. WTF is king playing at?

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31 Jul 2015 02:19:25
Are you still on the payroll Jack? Or is this just a good old fashioned but feeble attempt to muck rake?

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31 Jul 2015 02:26:18
Your post contradicts itself Jack, so they would get the add on at the end of this season but payment over two years? An add on is exactly what it says it is a conditional bonus added to the original fee when conditions are met. If you are correct this deal would have the add on before the payment. Its desperate Jack and just plain daft.

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{Ed001's Note - no it does not. You can have add on clauses that are triggered before the full transfer is paid for.}

31 Jul 2015 07:15:14
Se trata tis better to stay quiet and have everyone think your an idiot, than open your mouth and remove any doubts 😉

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31 Jul 2015 08:21:40
Aren't most deals usually have add ons and payments over a couple of years do they not? Is it just because it's us that it's a bad thing Jack?

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31 Jul 2015 09:08:37
It has been reported that all clubs dealing with Rangers have all asked for full fee up front because of the club's poor financial history, Hibs are no different.

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31 Jul 2015 16:17:40
The point I'm making is add on if going up. So Hibs do a deal where they gain if the fail.

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