Rangers Banter Archive June 03 2013

 

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03 Jun 2013 21:32:55
After all the players we have signed who do you think will be the most likely to leave us now that we have done our signing for. Wee bit {The Ed039's Note - Lee Wallace, Emilson Cribari, Neil Alexander, Kyle Hutton ...... players worth something or are not going to be getting a game. Quite a few youth players likely to leave also)

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Hope ure not hearing things about Lee Wallace Ed that would honestly gut me he's been a great signing. I thought I heard him say he wanted to become a Club Legend.

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Ed are you seriously suggesting Wallace won't get a game? Why wouldn't Ally pick his best player? {The Ed039's Note - Read it properly, I said players who are worth something OR who wont get a game, we know which one Wallace comes under)

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ED/ lee Wallace? You think he might go? I remember the Villa rumour. {The Ed039's Note - I do think it might happen yes)

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03 Jun 2013 19:23:54
Loved miller boyd and novo 1st time round, or in millers case 2nd, 3rd, 4th 5th time or how every many times he's been here lol! but don't want to see my season ticket money wasted on the good old boys, I'd rather 21-25 yr olds from the spl slf1 or lower english leagues. As well as our own youngsters who played last yr

Big C

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03 Jun 2013 18:21:49
The only person who has benefited from all the nonsense going on at ibrox over the last 2 years is ally mccoist, do you think under normal circumstances ally would've got away with being a shocking manager picking up a million a year? I really can't believe he's still in a job after watching that dross last year.

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Exactly mate, he is clueless in the management stakes. Unfortunately we are stuck with him while Wattie is the chairman. Can you really see Walt saying that he was wrong? Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with the signings that we have made so far. that was until I opened this morning paper to see McCoist wants another striker. For the 2nd decision we now have more than enough. A centre back is all that's required. Spends megabucks so McCoist can be saved and retain his job. I hope I am wrong.

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OP and 1) entirely correct lads.
There's just so much wrong at coach, management, director, chairman level. Nothing right anywhere but fans have to keep chipping in to keep it going. Very frustrating at least for most I've talked to.
Mathers is a temporary CEO and Smith a temporary Chairman (non exec anyway) there's nothing solid there at all.

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You know that it is a given that you win the league and the Ramsden Cup and that the extra expenditure is for another cup win/run? Same as this year? The Mighty Jags await!

Paddy Malarkey

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03 Jun 2013 16:11:33
Season tickets on sale
now under heading
YOU DIDN'T DO WALKING AWAY
official website go on fellow
bears you no you want to!
billy h

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I know the Sceptic and the half full mob will be on here giving it all their doom and gloom. don't forget bears, this is our team our history our future. Support the name and the colours. I will be there.

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@ 1 totally agree mate.
onwards & upwards
billy h

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@1 its been all doom and gloom and these signings are only going make things worse, we had a chance to build up a decent bank balance but ally has choose to spend it, did queen of the south need this standard of player to romp that league?

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Your right il be getting my season ticket as quick as possible

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Aye but he's going for the quad next season, watp

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I've no doubt failure to buy season tickets would sink this particular operating company all shares bust and SPIVS in meltdown. The next one, operating company, would be fan owned. The season ticket money this year could own the club. It just takes balls.

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@5 I didn't know ally liked motorsports?

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04 Jun 2013 08:13:08
Yeah I just the waiting. Then I got an automated email informing me I am on the waiting list for season 2011/2012 confussed the hell out of me.

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03 Jun 2013 14:32:35
Arsenal just released a group of young players we should have a look at a couple of them

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Arsenal would have let Rangers know. Arsenal are a well run club that look after tbier kids and would have done as much as posssible to get tbe kids sorted out.

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And who are these players?

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They released 10 youth players two of wich is sanches watt and mead who looked good at left back for arsenal against olimpiacos

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I assume every club has released a group of young players.

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Tom Cruise played left back for Arsenal against Olympiakos a few years back away from home. That's the lads real name btw, that's how I remembered it. Never heard of Mead

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Kyle barkley anyone a dud

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03 Jun 2013 13:18:09
Kenny Miller must be a Target for after the MLS season finishing. His contract hasn't been terminated he scored against NY Redbulls at the weekend

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03 Jun 2013 12:05:45
Looks like Humphrey is going to Preston. Lost a gem there, the boy is class

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@op just like we lost law to Birmingham see unless it's confirmed why waste your time

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Cant blame law and humphrey for going to championship. Its higher standard of football than 90% of scottish football. Better quality opposition, better pay and the possibility if reaching the coveted epl.

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Agree with most of what you post @2, however I think the % should be north of 99. 99.

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@2 except Law has signed for the Bears- 1 had his toungue in his cheek with sarcasm at OP - keep up lad

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03 Jun 2013 18:45:51
law signed for us read the post

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Law came to rangers

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Aye well Humphrey just signed for Preston. that's the end of that one

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Humphrey went to League 1 Preston

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03 Jun 2013 12:01:31
So after everything we went through, we watched as ally mcoist stook strong and fought our corner at every turn, he told us how difficult it would be and that he would not walk away, he told us he would try and play our way through the leagues and that it wouldn't be pleasing on the eye in the 3rd div, we applauded him and displayed our sincer love for the man and our club,

Now he wins the league by 20 odd points, with a team of wee boys and 2nd rate players, he starts building a new RANGERS team to come through the next stage?
Rangers fans slaughter him daily? you couldn't make it up could you?
God knows were we would be without Ally, great manager? maybe not, but deserves a chance to show if he can build a team, surely Tommyblue

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Without him. you could have still been in CL, SPL and no liquiation. his failure to get into CL caused the collapse. wakey wakey

Zammo

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Without Ally there would still be a Rangers make no mistake about it. No one man is bigger than our club.

As for winning the league with a team of wee boys and 2nd rate players --- what utter drivel. We had the second highest paid squad in Scotland with a number of internationals and most weeks we had a higher average age than our opponents.

Ally made a million pounds in salary & bonuses last year plus was given a huge batch of shares for 1 pence each from the man he repeatedly backed Charles Green (And don't forget he backed Craig Whyte only weeks before a humiliating administration too).

Am getting fed up of being told how grateful I should be to him. It's Ally that should be thanking the fans more than the other way around. We paid good money last season to watch mostly third rate football against plumbers and joiners. Think about that.

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Zammo,

Glad your world is just black and white. Makes things so easy for you. Life for the rest of us has different shades of grey too. You need to remember he was not backed in champs league qualifiers- perhaps we still should have qualified, too late now. The collapse did not come out of CL failure, get your facts right.

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Mate I think Ally should be grateful he's still in a job. Without a shadow of a doubt he is still there because of his history as a player at the club. When you look past the blue tinted glasses you see the silly soundbites, the backing of every single man who had the power to remove him from his job, the ridiculous call for the names of the 3 man panel causing death threats and that's before you even highlight how disappointing the team has performed since he become manager. Even oldco Rangers played an awful brand of football under McCoist. Can you imagine how dire those games would have been to watch had it not been for Sone Aluko paying for his own move to the club. He was a shining light. The absolutely astonishing decision to give him THAT budget to get out of a league of part-time clubs with players on £50 a week will still be talked about years from now. Even we will have to look back on that and laugh it was so absurd. The worse part was even with that budget we failed to win 10 of our league games last season, including 3 draws and 2 LOSSES at Ibrox. Unbelievable.

You can't defend the undefensible mate. All you can say is onwards and upwards, things can only get better on the park.

Like every other Rangers fan I would love to see him finally grow into this job and start doing the business. My head says it will never happen though.

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I agree with @4, but @3, you need your head examined. we got beat by two pub teams, who were thrashed in every game they played, so maybe you need to get your facts right.

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03 Jun 2013 11:24:49
do you think the blue order should be moved right beside the away fans
just to get them used to it for when we get back to the spl
think that's where they should be blue order one side of the away fans
the union bears the other
and I hope that away fans should be given the minimum amount of seats
would think it a disgrace if any fan group were given just one seat more than the minimum
after there efforts to bring us down

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Seats are based on a percentage of the total gate. Rangers have no say in it.

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03 Jun 2013 13:10:09
Totally agree, they are so ungrateful for all we've done for them over the years. Like vetoing all proposals for fairer wealth distribution when we were in spl. Let's forget the facts though and base all decisions on gut bitterness!

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Move them out the stadium. They don't watch the game. just sing repulsive songs and spend their time winding up Police and Stewards! Move them to Bella Park!

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Fans of non-SPL teams have done just what to deserve this attempted intimidation? Ally may have meant you when he spoke of "cleansing the club" from top to bottom.

Paddy Malarkey

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Gut bitterness. yip that sounds about right
no it will never ever be the same
and I hope it never will

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@3 what's your seat number at LEGO LAND. I sit near them and no sectarian singing and old fasioned banter.

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04 Jun 2013 07:40:52
Gut bitterness? Take some Rennies and calm doon! It's only a fantasy that other teams are intimidated, didn't the spl and sfl votes last summer teach us that? Not much evidence of running scared there. Or since. Or ever probably. This 'need to be seen to be superior' is what got us in to this mess in the first place!

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03 Jun 2013 11:05:46
Boca and Goian will be staying this season because there's a strong rumour Rangers maybe playing in the Spl and NOT Div 2?
Norrieboy.

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Norrie the can rumour all they like
i won't buy a season book if rangers are fast tracked
i want dundee untd, hearts, aberdeen kilmarnock to feel the pain
i want celtic playing in an empty husk of a league
so they can rumour all they like but the fans want there pound of flesh

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How is that going to happen?we don't want to play in the spl ram there favours we will work our way back on merit plus that defo won't happen

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Were is this strong rumour? in your head? it isn't even possibly true, why say it,? and we don't want it anyway do we TB

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Your all getting carried away here. This rumour is a nonsense. And no one wants you back in the SPL this year, especially not Partick thistle who I suppose are meant to just bend over and drop there drawers to make way for The Rangers? P*sh.

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Rumour is lack of audited accounts means there is no money and SPL/2 the onlyway to give RANGERS some real tv money from sky or new sponsor.

By all means moan, but face financial ruin for all scotland football, if sky continue to have to show gers - vs minnows to get an audience for scottish footba?

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Les Kilmarnock never did anything wrong they actually never voted so change Kilmarnock to Hibs.

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@6 Your right about Kilmarnock, they did not have the bottle to vote either way, so in the parlance of politician's, this was a no vote to allow your team into the SPL.
Tam

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@ tam, we don't need or give a f. k about the sphellll, or their corrupt votes, watp upwards and onwards

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No, it's pay as you go for me. I know we want to get back to the top fast as possible, but not at any cost. After the bloody mess caused to everybody we had (still have) a great opportunity to do things right, with more transparency and a bit of humility, but this just feels like the same old same old.

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Ed last post is from Aye Ready forgot to leave name

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@8 you don't give a F@@k about SPL so why are you putting this mega squad together? You can't get European football without SPL participation and Ally's record in cups isn't going to inspire confidence?

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I do not believe it would be parachuting we are simple invited to a new league. Hearts, Dundee utd will be out of business so enough anyway, were 2nd division club and we were a bigger attraction than they were when we took Jon Daly off them.

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A few spl teams are strugling sky ain't happy div 3 now 2 then div1 will appreciate the blu pound when we win 1st div we will be more powerfull and we will call the shots new leagues difrent distrebute of cash sky know our strenth with all div enjoyed our blue pound they will vote with us also remember we will have voteing wright by then

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03 Jun 2013 10:28:34
Will we swap bocanegra for kenny miller

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Kenny Miller may well return on a player/coach deal and on a vastly reduced salary while he takes his coaching badges and helps out with a pro youth level side.

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03 Jun 2013 08:32:33
Simple question, who's planning on renewing when STs become available? Trying to gauge the general feeling out there. A simple YES/NO/UNSURE will be fine

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NO. until McCoist is gone

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I, ll renew
but still not happy with things

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Defo I will be renewing day one. no matter what nonsense happens of the park I will support Ally and the player. Not a part time fan.

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Yes
Coisty09

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No. for fear of lining greens greedy pocket and am still not happy with the not knowing anything in the background. mabay just go to cup games. bill airdrie.

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Sick of hearing about fans stating they won't unless mcCoist is gone. Well I don't support McCoist I support Rangers and will buy my season ticket no matter what.

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Nope - unless audited accounts appears sharpish.

Zed

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Thats 3 then.

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YES. All true Supporters who have the finances and maybe even some who don't will buy a ST. The others can stick to financial assessing and web chats

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Game by game for me I think although I have to admit most of my pals say they're happy to renew.

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Absolutely I will!

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Game by game for me until we get clarity. If you buy anST your only adding to the uncertainty of accounts, ownership and spiv cash building to line THEIR own pockets. Season tickets are our only leverage right now, please don't give this away lightly.

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Let's see the audited accounts. Let us see that there is no problem and then yes but no without the accounts

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N1 if that's your way I don't think you will be buying a st for a long time eh

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03 Jun 2013 08:08:55
who is going?? we can't keep signing players while none go out, remember CG said the wage bill was too high but still we sign SPL players on big money to win the 2nd div and we can only register 22 over 21 in the SFL ( 5 of the young players from last season now fall into the over 21 bracket)

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All nonsense, Charlie Green was a liar. Charlie Green's plan is long gone he wanted to make a return for his investors on year 2. "The wage bill" as Green put it was also based on the million spent settling oldco debts for players. The Season ticket money for last term is unspent, the season ticket money for this term is still to come. The deal with Puma, The deal with sport direct & Blackthorn, Media income from Rangers TV and corporate can more than take care of the wage bill. Charlie wanted rid of Smith, McCoist, Durrant and McDowell & blamed them for the over spend, puting the fear in the fans to get his way. don't believe the hype Financialy we are sound.

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SFL rules state a playing squad of 22 players aged 21 or over can be registered. so as it stands
Alexander (if he stays) -35
Argyriou-25, Cole-21, Cribari-33, Faure-22, Perry-23, Wallace-25, Black-28, Hutton-22, McCulloch-35, Mitchell-21, Shiels-28, Templeton-24, Little-24, Naismith-21, Hemmings-21. Already confirmed as joining Bell-26, Law-25, Daly-30 Clark-22 and likely Smith -27. that's 21 players in total which leaves 1 place available. Obviously aged under 21 will be ok to register so indeed who goes to make way for more signings? Also what about Goian and Bocanegra if a club can't be found for them what happens with them?

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@1/ I find your post to be worrying. Do you have any idea of the way Green structured the income streams into Rangers? They are all separate companies with Green holding directorships in them all. As for financially sound, wake up mate. Do you really think players on 3-5-7k per week are needed to beat part time players?

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1) How deluded are you!

"the season ticket money for last term is unspent"

So what were Rangers paying wages with-chocolate buttons!

The truth is Rangers lost £7m between June and Dec last year, god knows how much this year! Signing players on SPL wages, no-one going out the door, Goian and Bocanegra back on the wage bill on massive money.

The likes of Black, Perry, Cribari and the Greek aren't going to walk away from the fat contracts they were given! Sandaza has a lawsuit ongoing (which I think he will win)

This dosent add up!

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Ally's trying damn hard to spend that £10m "warchest" to win 2nd div, manager with no technical ability only interested in a short term fix and as your in no rush to get back to SPL why is he not got the balls to blood the so called young talent from Murray Park?

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Poster 1. You argue against yourself. you say you are financially sound, then you talk of an overspend? Ever looked at a balance sheet pal? Left and right columns?

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@1 if financially sound audited accounts would have been publish just like Celts.

but they haven't for 3 year running. so we don't KNOW the financial picture.

Fans could stump up £6m in ST money and whyte could walk away with every penny in his settlement!

can ye no see this possibility, even green said whyte could cause issues in court for 10 years - and UEFA would lap that up and banish GERS fae europe for 5 more years easy.

whyte needs to be paid. from where. ?

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The players that are just 21 might still get classed as under21s all depending on their birth date

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I might be cynical here but if I was planning to build up some revenue before finding a reason to quit and run with it, I would buy lots of New players to appease the fans and then run leaving the club to administration. Walter and new players are season ticket sellers. I hope I'm wrong but all this spending is fantasy, I don't think I could face another administration. That's why I will still be supporting Rangers but on a game to game basis.

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N9 ide imagine rangers will be making a statement before long in order to sell season tkts letting us know what's heppening letting us make up our own minds

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03 Jun 2013 07:42:44
Alright guys!

Let me run something by you all here. Andy Goram in The Sun on Saturday stated Rangers are playing in the second tier of Scottish football. Obviously he may have meant the second division, but this comment, coupled with the number of 'decent' signings and targets lately could suggest that they know something we don't? SPL2?

I'm think directors of SPL clubs are planning to invite SFL clubs including Rangers but fear a backlash from fans and are keeping it quiet until it's almost too late to do anything, maybe once a large chunk of season ticket money is in?

Also, Charles Green said Rangers would never play in the SPL while he was CEO and left without any real problems?

Personally, I would prefer if we played our way through every league but too many coincidences lately for me.

Would like to hear what you all think!

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02 Jun 2013 23:57:23
all this talk about overspending is getting out of hand. I am confident that current board and management are only too aware of such a problem, and are probably bringiing in 3 or 4 players for LESS than one oldco player was getting. let's get positive and get behind the team, on and off the park.
We have another title to aim for and it all starts again next month and maybe we will do a bit better in the cups this time around.
Welcome all you knew lads! Onwards and upwards.

Wee Bill

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3 or 4 players for 1 oldco player, wot u smoking. The club is having to give huge wages for a div 2 team. The days are gone when players want to play
For the shirt.
This sounds a bit familiar but the club is
Spending big thinking that when in spl
They will make money back.
My worry is our debt could be 25 mill
Even b4 we kick a ball in spl.
Plus sick of all these deluded fans talking about needing real rangers men,
Running the club. Where were these real rangers men when we needed them. We need a new chairman who is nuetral and will grow the club, men that use there heads, not hearts

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Is that not what started all this trouble? the I am sure the board know what they are doing argument?

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I'm sure Nicky law was quoted as saying he could have went down south for more money, so the players we're bringing in might not be on what everyone thinks they are

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N3 confident young players will come to rangers known europe will eventually happen that way putting themselfs in shop window if they want a change for bigger money or happy enough to get lots of medals

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02 Jun 2013 23:35:42
What's everyone's views on stevie Smith returning? A never rated him the first time round. Iam sure there's better options available.

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I always thought he was a decent player, a bit hampered by injury but if he's over that it will be a good signing.

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Well injury has defo hampered his career but I remember being in the stands during the early days in his career and I (along with everybody in the crowd) thought that smith was better than hutton when they both around the 20's mark.

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02 Jun 2013 23:15:09
just had a look for peralta on youtube. there only appears to be one long video of this lad and a few doing interveiw, the video I saw appeared to highlight every mistimed tackle he did throughout the game until stretchered off with his last crazy tackle. this video did not impress me one bit. it was like watching a very poor mans scot wilson at his worst, I know youtubes videos are not reliable but do give some sort of display from a player but on this occasion by what I saw I would not even have a second look at this player, I could also be made to eat humble pie tho!
jammydodger

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Sounds like an Ally buy.

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Wouldn't judge a player on youtube mate, let's see what the lad is like when he's playing at ibrox.

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