Rangers Banter Archive February 07 2013

07 Feb 2013 22:43:47
Right Mr Green:

Tell us straight!
What's going on with the clubs finances?
What's going on with the "announcement within 10 days" on the new kit manufacturer AND the new sponsor?

Two straight forward questions that, for a man who told us he would be completely open with us, should be extremely easy to answer!

Simples!

Scott.

If you didn't know it takes a while to get a deal done you can't just expect him to announce it when you feel like it and plus he's not in the uk just now

He stated that he would announce "within 10 days" about 2 weeks ago actually!

And if you haven't realised he's waiting till the champions play Juventus on Wednesday to make the announcement about macron and sports direct then your not the brightest either imo.

Have you learnt nothing? He saves what you think is good news (when most are lies)for when everyone is talking about Celtic, I bet you he says it same day as the cl match with juve to try and take some headlines and use Celtic's global talk to stay in the news and live in our shadow. The bet is if he dosent make some sort of news then I believe you are the same club and everything green says lol

@1 these things were spoken about a few weeks ago! Why tell the supporters one thing and not deliver! Seems like the majority of fair thinking rangers supporters are starting to see through this man now! He only panders to the knuckle draggers with these rediculous statements!

@1 we live in the cyber age doesn't matter where in the world he is!

@7) And he wil wait till Wednesday after Celtic beat Juventus @ Celtic Park and try and deflect some of the attention the world media will be giving them. Doh.

Juventus will have you chasing shadows

Cg will make a statement on shirts and sponsers before monday

@8, like all the others? at least youve got a decent match to look forza to! it has become tedious this, from helsinki to barca though not as tedious as peterhead to berwick eh?

The biggest joke of the year celtic to beat juventus they can't beat st mirren

They beat Barcelona, and spartak Moscow home and away. Mention that why don't you.

Are the referee and linesmen guests at auchenhowie also lol doug t. s. o

07 Feb 2013 19:19:50
I would hope no fans have been placated by the statement on the Rangers website. Written by "Rangers football club", not Jim traynor?, there still are facts missing and strange quotes.
"Not all invoices submitted are legitimate" Fair enough, if you think you are being fleeced you have every right to question the billing. This is also a well worn path to avoid prompt payment.
"Rangers have agreed a settlement figure which is significantly less than the initial demand" The use of the word demand is interesting here, add the fact that it seems Orlit have denied any such deal has been struck. Also still no mention of the exact amount they are seeking or the amount Rangers think is the true amount.
"Rangers will not pay over inflated salaries to players" Really? Fans I talk to seem to think Black is on around 7k, Shiels 7k Wallace 9k templeton 9k and shockingly Cribari 9k. If that's not overpaying for third division players what is? I'm sorry but this statement does nothing for me. There still seems to be a reluctance to tell us hard facts and figures, Why?

OP - I don't find any of those quotes strange
you were selective with your quotes so I will choose some as well

''Rangers cannot rely on basic honesty, decency or integrity from enough of the country’s media outlets we must speak for ourselves. We have a duty to our supporters to put the record straight''.

cant disagree with that

''We are sorry if this, or the fact that Rangers are financially healthy, isn’t what people want to hear but this is the new reality. It is for others to come to terms with that and also our continued revival. It would, however, be a pleasant change if we could be left alone to get on with our business''.

or that

JG

Why can't you just pay your debt instead of trying to fleece everyone. same conmen then same conmen now {The Ed039's Note - You must be one of these guys on the inside mate, how do you know its not the other way around? I am sure all your bills are paid on time and you have never disputed a leccy bill or a phone bill. The pinnacle of humanity you must be)

JG# Regarding your quote on the media and duty to supporters. Firstly, Rangers have accepted that a bill is outstanding so you have to admit that the media were honest in printing this. Secondly, on putting the supporters straight. Why no mention of the exact figure? If it is an "insignificant amount" why are Rangers seeking a payment schedule to clear this? Have the supporters been put straight on the re-naming of Murray park? On the shirt sponsorship and kit manufacturers? On who exactly owns Ibrox, for the record I don't think Mr Green would be foolish enough to bluff this, Is it a consortium?
On your second quote. If Rangers are financially healthy why enter into a payment plan for a services rendered bill? And let's not forget what the services were, finding capital to purchase the oldco. Mr Green has never admitted to outside funding for the purchase, why? For me your end quote on being left alone. Fine, if Murray or Whyte never happened, but they did. Fans have every right to be vigilant. Still no answers to the serious questions i'm afraid. Look back over Mr Greens quotes, it is enlightening how many have still to be proved. I would love if John brown acted like the true Ranger he claims to be and told fans what he seen in greens office. {The Ed039's Note - You are very much mistaken, Mr Green said from the very start that his funding was in the form of a loan which had to be repaid, with interest over a number of years)

@2. Well said ed. Ever so easy to spout the sort of crap most of our rivals spout. Were easy meat at the moment but it won't last.

Its the loan of 5. 5 + interest and the large pay packets the directors are collecting that will eventually come back to haunt the club

Shona Baird

The lady doth protest too much, methinks. WS

Paddy Malarkey

"We are absolutely convinced we’d win but we did think it would be better to avoid giving our many detractors another bar with which to beat us over the head. "

Did green not say that about the recent TUPE case - which he promptly lost - he has no legal credibility and his legal advice not worth what he paying for it (how much is it for all these legal cases, and is he paying those legal bills or running up debts there )??

@4 could be worse - could be horsemeat

JG

ED039# Agreed, he did say the �£5.5m was a loan. What he did not say was that he was not funding it, all along he has carried the pretence that he paid the cash. So what he done was the same as Whyte, Borrowed money to buy Rangers. He never claimed he was borrowing money to buy the oldco, and that's downright dishonest.

@8 or rubbish which seems to be what what we have been getting for weeks. jimbo.

Orlit Enterprises is run by the Singapore-based businessman Chan Fook Meng. He is a former business associate of the current Rangers chief executive Charles Green.

Enough about horsemeat I just checked my tesco burgers and they said best before Ascot

@9totally. Agree with u. It was assumed green and his people were loaning the money to be repaid with interest ( which was bad enough). But instead it appears. Green was hawking rangers. Round the globe. Like a demented pimp. To borrow money from anyone with the promise of a fat return. From the supporters money. I have no faith left in green and his cohorts.

No 2 poster pre programmed by gordon brown oops was that the guy that left his microphone on when he was slagging an old lady lol doug t. s. o

Written by "Rangers football club" = written by a Celtic fan who then pretended to be an Airdrie fan and said when the CVA wasn't accepted that Rangers were a dead club who now wants us to believe he's a Rangers man & now says we're not to trust the media who he worked for until a couple of months ago.

D'uh!

07 Feb 2013 17:17:29
Has a winding up order actually been issued? No.
More is being made of this than of hearts, kilmarnock and dumfermilne all being threatened with winding up orders for unpaid debts. {The Ed039's Note - Of course it is, thats what sells papers and keeps folk watchin the news. Nobody has mentioned that the amount this mob claim that Rangers owe and what Rangers feel they should owe is in dispute)

Ed, tell us all what James Traynor, Rangers's Director of Communication has said on the subject?
Please do! {The Ed039's Note - Sounds like you know, so what you asking for?)

Ally must be chuffed about this taking the heat of him for a few days.

Think you might be burying your head in the sand a bit ED. A couple of column inches in each red top is hardly making more of this. Now TV and Radio are in on it, and the fact Traynor admitted a debt, would suggest there might be more to come. As for the amount, Why did Traynor not declare exactly how much is owed? More or less than the 400k being bandied about? Green made great noises about transparency, so how did this happen?

@1 you asked so here it is

CLUB STATEMENT - Rangers Football Club has issued the following statement to its supporters relating to recent media reports.

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Once again, Rangers are the subject of media reports and speculation which are at best misleading and at worst malicious.

In an ideal world, for instance, one in which journalism wasn’t at such a damning low it has to be investigated by the highest authorities with culprits facing jail sentences, there would be no need for this Club to respond.

However, because it has become clear Rangers cannot rely on basic honesty, decency or integrity from enough of the country’s media outlets we must speak for ourselves. We have a duty to our supporters to put the record straight.

Rangers have been disputing a payment to a foreign company, Orlit, although it should be stressed we have never said there is no bill to be met.

What we have said and what we are telling our supporters is that not all of the invoices submitted with regard to this bill are legitimate.

Clearly there has been a lack of understanding within the media about this when all we have done is refuse to be forced into paying sums we do not owe. It is as simple as that.

Who on earth would pay out when faced with a spurious request for money?

No matter what anyone else says, Rangers have agreed a figure to settle this issue and it is a figure which, as we have already tried to explain, is significantly less than the initial demand.

Only the wording, which would put this matter to rest once and for all, has still to be signed off.

And despite what some over-excited but desperately ill-informed bloggers claim, there is no threat of this Club being closed. That is downright malicious and ludicrous.

But let’s make one thing clear: If Orlit wish to instruct their lawyers to go to court then we will defend our position vigorously.

We are absolutely convinced we’d win but we did think it would be better to avoid giving our many detractors another bar with which to beat us over the head.

That’s why we made an offer to settle but we now find we are still being harassed.

The thought process seems to be that if we have �£22m from the recent IPO we should just pay up. Bizarre. Why should we?

Of course we can pay the amount demanded – it is, as we’ve already stated, a small amount - but it is ridiculous to hand over more than is due.

The money belongs to Rangers and we will not give it out to anyone who comes along with invented invoices.

That would be reckless in the extreme and suggest that nothing has been understood from the past when Rangers were in effect mugged by money grabbers.

We are here to make sure that does not happen again. We do pay our bills on time and we have always been prepared to pay this one.

There are many people and journalists who will choose to disbelieve this truth but that is up to them.

They will continue to attack Rangers no matter what we say but this statement is not for them.

It is for our supporters. They deserve to know and understand the exact and precise state of play,

Rangers will not be closed. This Club will never run up crippling debts and we will not pay over-inflated salaries to players.

However, we will have a sensible pay structure which won’t threaten the club’s existence. That is what we believe the fans want.

Having said that, Rangers are rising and we will return to the top flight where we will be competitive again.

We are still very much at the beginning of a long road back and although there will be potholes to be negotiated, nothing will stop us.

Rangers are no longer soft touches. We will not bow to or run from bullies and we will not be pressured into handing out even �£1 if it is not merited.

We are sorry if this, or the fact that Rangers are financially healthy, isn’t what people want to hear but this is the new reality.

It is for others to come to terms with that and also our continued revival. It would, however, be a pleasant change if we could be left alone to get on with our business.

JG {The Ed039's Note - Thank you JG)

The answer is there to read, charles green has issued a statement this afternoon doug t. s. o

Thanks JG, I hadn't noticed this had been put on the Rangers website. I did see the very biased reports in the media but why let basic facts get in the way of a Rangers bashing story?
I have one question to all rangers supporters - if the worst happened and we went to the wall, would you support any other scottish club?
My answer would be no, I'm not interested in any other scottish club, I haven't watched a single SPL game or highlights since we were abandoned in Div 3
JMG {The Ed039's Note - I couldnt, I would support Scotland and West Ham my English side. Nothing against alot of the sides in Scotland, I just couldnt and this was discussed before oldco was liquidated as well)

It seems a poorly written statement and not very professional somehow. Anyone else think the same? Something a bit odd but just hope not. {The Ed039's Note - I think the exact opposite, it is very well written and professionally put TBH, although noticed one grammatical error)

Is there anything CG could say that you wouldn't swallow? He has a track record of lying. but as soon as he says there's no problem you jump on your bandwagon.

Best of luck but You's are probably about to be f*cked again. {The Ed039's Note - Well dont worry yourself about it, its not your problem)

@6 I'd prob follow the juniors if no gers, the mighty kelty hearts!
I thought the statement was clever in the sense it basically said. There is a dispute over an invoice, I don't ask about your bills mr journo so don't you ask about mine. Now if you don't mind you can f$#k off!!
The tiger

Has someone hacked rfc website - that statement does not look real.

Why would you want to encourage someone to sue if they want to. it will cost legal fees, which could be avoided.

I note green does not say why he committing so much money on ex-mates companies to garner investors. its a football club invest in players. !

RFC won't have great credit rating, so pay bills on time.

Seems green does not pay any ammounts, but offers Hearts 50% early and probably same with Orlit. but folks just want what's due.

Ed you just professional.

Thats two conflicting statements in 24 hours, while the stock tanks.

Seems Jabba wrote the first poorly. Now Green wades in with his ramblling sue if they dare, we won't spend money we don't need to ramble ramble rable rousing. ?

Hes running a business - every statement official and off-cuff will be investigate by investors - so most companies say little - but sufficient.

Green spouts off too much, giving trolls food to pick apart.

You don't think Greens latest statement could have said key details in 1/10 the time?

That second statement is clearly a play to the fans to hold on and pay for next years ST nothing more.

"Rangers will not be closed. This Club will never run up crippling debts and we will not pay over-inflated salaries to players. "

Can see lots of players joining gers on thier way back up with that statement. NOT!

so its play for pride lads, not millions.

no wonder they out of cups, green does not know how to man management, no wonder 8+ companies folder under him leadership. {The Ed039's Note - UEFAs financial fair play regulations will put paid to that for many countries with a similar fanbase/TV revenue as Scotland anyway, I know its a matter of opinion, but so many people jump and shout at the potential earnings of a footballer but then moan when clubs wont stump up the cash)

Ed, Not talking about the grammer. It seems a bit desperate somehow. 'Rangers are no longer soft touches'When were we ever?Just does not read well and I felt uneasy reading it for some reason. Too much protest?I feel a bit worried by it all I'm sorry to say.

Ed039 - the epl is getting billions in a deal, and a LOT of that money will be payed to players, and rightly so - they deliver the product.

Green is saying they won't pay over-inflated. who is he speaking to. investors, fans, future players.

How many young players at murray park will read this and think I want money (short career) and will clearly find it elsewhere, and how will players be attracted to RFC to recover and re-win SPL or top-div??

do you not see that green is burning bridges with this statement, and this only makes sense if he leaves in 12 months once the initial float director lock in stops - when he could make a mint - and let the company flop (ps he has done this several times with his prior flops)

This statement has "exit-strategy" all over it. we now here is short-term, but it he looking at 7 days ahead, or 7 months. {The Ed039's Note - Yes, he says he wont pay over-inflated wages, so it means he will pay what players are worth, yes I know its not true with Black, Sandaza etc, but thats got to be the stark reality for Scottish Football, build players up and sell them on for a profit, because the TV money wont be there, not ever and runs in Europe are all too infrequent)

Can anyone tell me who the " official " club statement is down to. Mr Greene, Mr Traynor, an other. ? serious question btw.

@15 can say for sure

but first looks like jabba ("The matter is unworthy of further comment. " is a hacks comment).

second look like typical statement, no doub green talk this over phone and someone wrote it down, it reads like a phone call.

have now found there are 3 statements on the "wind-up-order"! threee! one would do it, RFC coming apart as 14th feb looms large.

@15 its down to Rangers Football Club

JG

@15 Surely can't be Traynor----think he'd do a better job than that but I'd love to know who wrote it. Does any one know?

Does it matter who wrote it? The statement ha been released in behalf of the club.

At 19. that's the very reason I asked the question in the first place. to establish if the official website had been hacked. the statement is being ripped to shreds as we speak by all and sundry and rightly so as there is a litany of inacuracies,, contradictions and even libellous content therin.

08 Feb 2013 01:41:55
It hurts my head how an official statement can be published with so many grammatical errors.

Can't rangers afford someone to proof-read? Or a reporter who can throw words together?

Ed saying you will pay 33% to players MAX says you won't overpay or do ebt stuff - the float SAID THAT loud and clear.

Why or why repeat it in this latest statement, its so desperate.

RFC need to be more financially sensible and not go bust again - that's clear no arguement for anyone - but 33% says that without insulting players or future stars.

Green runs companies for short time, says all is fine, finances good (he short term so no full accounts, just bland all looks rosey), then his companies often go bust - completely unexpectedly it seems.

he does not need to repeat mantra about overpaying - so why saw it in such an inflamatory manner - this is OFFICIAL statement, every future player can read that, and thier agent will say "more money, and easier moeny" elsewhere, this is a dead. end?

players so rich they have financial advisors - who will read that statement and run

07 Feb 2013 12:20:46
more sensationlistic storys on rangers in media. we owe this and that. the media have a grudge against us, so you don't know what to believe. at what point will gers have an agm, nanyone know, to all these spurious alegations are answered. Also hope the fans have banners at weekend in support of gazza, who is ill withe depression, alcoholism. I have had dealing with these diseases, and people just don't get it, that they are diseases, not a way of life. Unless you live with despression you can't understand how dibilitating it is. So come on paul, all the rangers fans are fully behind u, son. {The Ed039's Note - Great post mate and I hope you are well)

Like ED I wish you all the best with your troubles mate, and Paul as well. Some hangers on really should have a long hard look at that poor guy. As for the debt stories circulating one thing that niggles is the fact that in Greens prospectus there was no mention of a debt, which has been admitted, to a company charged with finding investors to fund the buy out of the oldco. Green seems to be getting caught up in fabricating stories of late, Sponsors, kit, and his infamous debt free statement. What he is doing looks very like playing fans for mugs. He was probably right in saying the club were debt free, but he glossed over the fact of the debt he had to inherit that were football related.
Rapid, Celtic and hearts are still owed cash and you can bet your last dollar that Rangers will be picking up the tab for these. The latest rumour, which Traynor never addressed, was the IPA monies. Is this in the Rangers trading account or one of the many accounts with the name Rangers in it? There remains the odd question of who owns Ibrox and Murray Park (re-naming any one?) why not just put this to bed. Time for hard questions to be asked i'm afraid. So many things just don't seem right.

Is this a possibility? Rangers haven't paid 400K debt as the debt belongs not to the club but to Charles Green and his consortium as Orlit's brief was to raise money to buy club last year i. e �£5. 5M?

Why should Rangers newco have anything to do with that?

PS --to OP. Good luck with your problems!

Im a regular poster on here and have experienced it, I stopped drinking 1985 to 1992 but never went back to the way I was and only have the occasional drink now which I can control, all the best to gazza for the future but he will need to stick to it and not fall by the wayside

@2. Traynor admitted the debt!

Good luck gazza true blue genious

07 Feb 2013 12:11:12
What is up? Not paying bills again. WTF. Where is the money? Where is Green? He shouts his mouth off over any trivial crap and has now vanished.

If it is such an insignificant sum why the need for a payment plan if you are debt free and cash rich.

I don't want to see you going down the Whyte road with Green. You really need to stop listening to his drivel and start asking him serious questions or you may see your club die for a second time in as many years.


Ian

07 Feb 2013 06:42:28
To be honest I am absolutely sick of these companies and the media stretching this whole "rangers owe this, rangers owe that" scenario right out. Newspaper columnists complain in their articles about the rangers fans F*CK you attitude towards other teams and groups such as the SPL and the SFA. Maybe if these people in papers, SPL etc. would allow the situation to be defused with time and allow us and our club to get on with our football without adding another chapter to the book every time they get a chance our attitude would be less supicious and volatile toward everyone that's not ourselves! just a thought, meanwhile though WATP// james

Just pay what you owe then and the situation will be defused! Instead CG comes out saying Rapid Vienna have been paid (no they haven't) and insisting the club are debt-free (no they aren't). It's attitudes like yours that means nobody likes your club, just accept liability for once and actually do what is right for a change, then you can be left alone to get on with it, the only reason your new team get any newspaper inches is cause of this oaf and all his lies.

G93

@1 I am debt free but I stil have bills to pay.

1) why would a brand new third division team, who ha never had jelavic on their books pay for him? Or are you finally accepting its the same club

@3; Rubbish. green agreed to football debts being picked up by the new club. UEFA insist on this

@3 I am sure every supporter in scotland outwith rangers will admit its the same club when you pay all the creditors that your old club wripped off what they are owed!
Until then, you are a new club with no history other than being papped out of 3 cups and struggling to beat part time teams!

@2) If I lend you �£1 you are in my debt. If somebody is threatening to serve a winding up order you are very much in debt to that person.

@3) Your new club agreed with the SFA that they would accept all world footballing debts in exchange for an SFL affiliation membership for the new club, money which is still outstanding despite your CEO's claims.

Face it Green is a bigger conman than Whyte.

G93

3) Paying football debts from Oldco was a condition of being granted a licence into SFL. How hard is that to understand!

Try to understand this: Oldco Rangers had a sell on clause with Jelavic, however if Everton sell him, Newco Rangers will receive nothing!

Why? Because Oldco no longer exist!

I think its you who need to accept that the tax dodging, lying, cheating charlatans that were Oldco Rangers are consigned to history!

DEAD! END OF!

You had to pay this to take over the license so the new club could cheat there way into the 3rd division.

It time our fans did accept our club have been wrong and let us all move on. Fed up with all this hate and nastiness nothing wrong with strong rivalry but when it comes down to hate time to get over it and that includes supporters of other clubs and media

1) While the jury is still out on Green, do you have evidence to refute the statement that Rapid Vienna have been paid? Who's to say they aren't telling all the truth?

This is a rumours page, your statement isn't a rumour, it's an opinion (which I fully accept you are entitled to). However, it doesn't carry weight without evidence.

As Number 2 said, you can be debt free but still have bills and continually visiting old ground without bringing anything new doesn't help the situation.

TRD

@3 if you newclub then don't use old names. ?

its illegal for liquidated business to restart next day with same name. for this reason. Or every company would become phoenix - ignore all debt - and restart with 0 debt.

Green clearly using "the RFC" or "RiFC" to avoid this, but calling the club "rangers" means old football debts and punishments still apply.

BDO in a year may have it will cost "�£1 million" to be called "Rangers FC". will green pay for historical name, or not?

Nobody from Kilmarnock accused anyone of muck-raking or sensationalism when their Winding up order was reported. There were rumours about the Orlit thing going round for over a week, a lot of it was on Rangers forums and there were all sorts of doomsday scenarios contemplated. Thomson puts some facts on his blog and gets quotes from people and all of a sudden he's going round stirring up rubbish. There's no "stretching" in it.

I don't get it. We can talk about it but as soon as a perceived enemy talks about it then it becomes lies and sensationalism. The tims can speculate all they want but it just looks stupid trying to characterise it as the rest of world trying to get us every time we respond to actual facts being reported in the press.

Because that what was agreed when they let you into the 3rd division. Seriously 3. ) do you actually read or listen to anything that's going on or just slap a paper down, stick your head in the sand and hope that the information will get there eventually?

The O. P ought to calm down and realise most sensible Rangers fans have the right to know if there's the possibility of a WUO against us.

Does he/she really think that stories like this shouldn't be reported?

@2 & 10.
Have you been mis-sold PPI or mis-advised on a mortgage?
Everybody knows people have bills, but may not be in debt. But if you don't pay the bill by the due date then you are in debt.
Companies don't seek winding up orders on bills, but on unpaid debts. So your arguments are tosh.
Al

How thick are Celtic fans all they talk about is rangers were 54 and counting and simply the best then now and forever

No 17 the thing is they know they will never overtake us on the 54 titles as far as their concerned we don't exist anymore so history comes to a standstill, celtic will always be remembered as being 2nd best to govans chosen few doug t. s. o