Rangers Banter Archive February 08 2012

08 Feb 2012 23:35:49
purely a point of interest to all the sellik fans criticising our 18,000 gate.

What were Celtics home attendancies for europa league ?
Oh yes
51,000 first game
28,000 second game
28,000 third game
33,000 last game

Ground capacity 61,000

Our fans deserted the cause as a protest against Whyte.

What were Selliks excuse then ?ha-Their team were on it's ass going out of Europe so they deserted the cause TOO

Best support in the land - don't make me laugh again - it hurts my sides too much

All I'm going to say is .... 6.00pm kick offs and work commitments !

And ibrox was brimming against malmo and maribor,if they won the last game against udinese celtic would have been in the next round,pointless post rubber heid.

Protest against whyte my ass! protest against rubbish football more like........green jhedi

Take in early kick-off times, a small fraction of the support from ireland and further afield able to travel, people getting home from work.....there's your answer.


oh....and it still wasn't as low as 17,000


taco

What a stupid post the early kickoffs played huge part, but when the rangers team needs their supporters Where.Are.The.People?

08 Feb 2012 23:26:23
I have come to the conclusion that Celtic supporters have no class! Even after a healthy 4-0 win (albeit over a poor Hearts side) they still have to utter those two words t** c***. Actually, I have just figured out a better couple of words, answers on a postcard :) It is for this and other reasons that I believe we should stand together. What do we have to lose now? We cant affect anything going on behind the scenes but if we win the league for 4IAR it will be the biggest eff off ever to the green ones! Get behind the team and just imagine the delight on coming onto these pages at the end of the season with not a Tick in sight! Best summer ever! Oh the blue bells are blue!
Nicko 1872

@nicko 1872;and you cant even type those words! tic toc..........the taxman cometh...green jhedi

The Green Jed Fish strikes again!

HBN

@HBN (hen broon perhaps?) is that it? any cogent argument welcome.............green jhedi

08 Feb 2012 22:50:10
As practising lawyer and A long life long support, Rangers runs through my core. I took it upon myself to carry out my own Investigation. I have discovered Mr White aquired 51% shares in this company

www.merchant-capital.net/

a company who specialises in investment of PLC bonds. Basically what they offer is people or companies the change to purchase a bond against the asses of failing companies then letting you participate in the planned recovery of distressed businesses I wish to highlight this line "The potential returns from a successful corporate recovery can be a significant multiple of the sum invested". Sounds like a scam to good to be true?.

On the BBC investigation, something drew my attention. Craig Whyte is the only secured creditor, meaning should Rangers go in to administration should we lose the tax case the clubs liability unsecured debtors such as HMRC could not be recovered against Ranger Football Plc.

Rangers would as you know need to change their name in someway whether it be Glasgow Rangers RFC or Red Bull Ranger (whatever). Whyte would then use the investments made to rebuild the club debt free, making his investors in Merchant Capital see a wealthy return and Whyte has nothing to lose.

Its little risk high reward "Venture capitalism". SECTION 2 THE UPS AND THE DOWN SIDES - UP we are debt free. DOWN - We play under a name change, We will probably made to remove the 5 star for our jerseys, we will likely be deducted points by the Football assoc for falling in to administration. (10 points Gretna) (Dundee 25 points). We win the tax case happy days if we dont expect A tough few years and lots of change before we return under our new entity stronger!

Did you just cut and paste this from somewhere?
because i doubt a lawyer would have such appalling grammar


taco

Poor grasp of english for a lawyer,nothing new here ,still hinges on the tax case.......green jhedi

A lawyer, you would think his grammar and spelling would be a bit better.

GovanFR

I posted this yesterday about the said company. It looks like a big scam to me Turnover lower than profits and accountants refuse to sign them off.

Ian


08 Feb 2012 11:09:57
This may give you an insight to Whyte its not from the bbc or the dr.

This makes good reading one of Craig Whytes companies. Turnover £211,826
Pre-tax Profit £824,793
Net Profit £824,793
How can the profits be almost 4 x turnover?

Then at the bottom we have from the accountants The auditors have been unable to give a full opinion due to a disagreement over accounting practise

Is this why Rangers accounts have not been signed off.

Merchant Corporate Recovery Plc
RED FLAGS
Status: Financial Statements too old as of 26th Oct 2010
Litigation: 0 results
AT A GLANCE
Inc Date: 30th Jan 2009 (3yrs)
Annual Returns: 30th Jan 2011
Annual Accounts: 31st Mar 2011
Company Type: PLC



Name (age) Function Position Active Inactive
Craig Whyte N/A Company Secretary 2 0
James Holmes (39) Director Director 24 30
Craig Whyte (41) Company Director Director 10 8


Turnover £211,826
Pre-tax Profit £824,793
Net Profit £824,793
Current Ratio 10.47
Ledger +
Net Assets £899,793
Total Assets £2,993,188
Total Liabilities £2,093,395
Cash £1,236,887
Tangible Assets £1,477,500
Total Fixed Assets £1,477,500
Total Current Assets £1,515,688
Other Current Assets £278,801
Increase in Cash £1,236,887
Total Current Liabilities £144,712
Other Short Term Finance £121,741
Misc Current Liabilities £22,971
Other Long Term Finance £1,948,683
Total Long Term Liabilities £1,948,683
Salaries & Dividends +
Shareholder Funds £899,793
Audit
Audit Fees £4,000
Auditor Hazlewoods Llp
Audit Code 5 - The auditors have been unable to give a full opinion due to a disagreement over accounting practise

Ian

Purchase a bond against the asses of failing companies (?)

Is that what he is into?

Jungle Bhoy.

08 Feb 2012 22:09:35
Thanks for welcoming me on ur site and its been a blast and the banter has been great,i do seriously hope that yous dont go bust but made to sweat a we bit longer,lol,i would miss needle of the old firm,but the time has come for me to stop talking p**h its time to put all my efforts into getting ready for the treble,so for now my bear freinds iky vaa,c ya in 6 months or not,tee hee,soz couldent resist specialy big farewell green jhedi you are now ready to take the reigns,

The Invisible Man says Cheerio and he will back in 6 Months, was really hoping that was Timmy and he forgot to sign off ... lol

Pete

Haha think your the wan that had a bad childhood and probably still have a sad life to come on here slabberin that crap. Its only a game a wont lose sleep mate;). And as for yer wee pal "tee hee" any guy that says that loses all dignity!

08 Feb 2012 21:49:27
stop your jealousy and bickering,and look at broony tonight.fantastic.thats why hes player of the month.thats a captain leading his team.artybhoy

Aye scott browns good, can tell hes a gers fan ahhhhh!

08 Feb 2012 21:04:14
Andy Webster is a joke of a player

He had a laugh at your expense!!....green jhedi

08 Feb 2012 20:21:37
Celtic much better team than us league over

Neil Lennon a better manager than Ally McCoist

How is Lennon a better manager than Ally?

Mr Blonde

Well mr blonde...at the moment he is 4 points better than him!...duh! Also, for months you lot keep telling each other that he is tactically inept and keeps playing players out of position...shall I go on?

Like i have said before yes the cup situation was shocking but sometimes that happens look at man utd out of FA Cup, League Cup and Champions league... Happens to the best of teams. What i think is that Ally is working under the worst conditions in the spl, lost best player in spl at the time in naismith, kyle lafferty then proceeded to get injured constantly, now he has lost top goalscorer in the spl and was given heehaw for a replacement and a whole bundle of players were sent out on loan or left which weakens a squad which was already struggling yet is still only 4 behind Celtic who have enough players to field 3 teams. So in my opinion he is doing not too bad.

Mr Blonde

Yeah I see what you mean now....damn those injuries...no other manager has to put up with his players getting injured and then be forced to use his squad. And then someone bought your best player...damn their eyes! How dare they do that!..The Old firm have been doing it to the other clubs in Scotland for years...get over it.
Dont get annoyed because Celtic have been run far more efficiently than Rangers...Rangers current problems are not the fault of Celtic. You just dont have a clue how to sort them out yet! Now as long as Ally keeps doing "Not a bad job" in your opinion then Celtic supporters will be more than happy with that....he needs to be doing a lot lot better otherwise you will find yourselves 15 points behind....in my opinion!

You talk sh*te mate Rangers have lost there 3 top scorers... take hooper and stokes out the celtic team who scores? Bangura? no wait there has been more sightings of flying pigs than this guy, Samaras? he pitches in on the play but is a tragic goalscorer, Brozek? not seen enough of the guy so cant comment... Point proven dont try and say losing our 3 top goalscorers isnt a big deal when if it happened to Celtic they would be equally as Fudged, yes it is our own fault but as i said under circumstances Ally is doing not too bad.

Mr Blonde

08 Feb 2012 20:14:31
Ha, another honest mistake by collum where a goal against Celtic isn't seen by the ref or linesman. D

Lol you guys cant be serious Rankers complainig about officials

What about that pen he gave u guys last year? He wasn't even looking but still gave it! Mistakes happen

What about that pen he gave u guys last year? He wasn't even looking but still gave it! Mistakes happen

Well done to him he managed to get the decision right even when he wasn't looking.

GovanFR

08 Feb 2012 19:57:05
Why don't we go in for Derek riordon not cousin?

Cos he's a wee jakey bam

Baybear

08 Feb 2012 19:53:04
Celtic fans talk about refereeing decisions going their way. That is terrible refereeing right there, Hearts score a legit goal, not given, and then Celtic score in the same phase of play. Shocking refereeing. And yet another decision goes in their favour.

GovanFR

Clown, they even out over a season s you used to say

Ah,when the shoes on the other foot,etc,etc.artybhoy

I don't believe there is an anti Rangers conspiracy whereas you lot say referees are anti- Celtic, clearly they are not. Basically what I'm getting at is when Celtic fail its everyone's fault but theirs.

GovanFR

Like for some Rangers fans it's all the fault of the media what's happening to their club?

08 Feb 2012 19:49:03
weve got a good striker hemmings so play him ally

He looked poor in the Killie game

08 Feb 2012 19:42:47
wonder if whyte was holding out for fabio capello. :)
TODD88

08 Feb 2012 19:10:31
just a wee quick post, it appears to me that all we seem to read about is rangers woes and celtic confidence... the leauge is far from over and the over confidence will be there downfall .... im 100 percent positive that ally will turn things around.

08 Feb 2012 18:58:57
Celtic have always struggled when the supposed best supporters in the World have not gotten behind the manager and the team. Are we seriously going to sink to that level? Nothing is going to change until the tax case is resolved so we should at least get behind the team and give them the lift they obviously need. Big game tonight and we will see what that brings but the league is not beyond us. We are maybe not firing on all cylinders but apparently they are and there are only potentially four points between us. Doesn't say much for them when our club is on its knees and there is so little in it. Leave the conspiracy and all that crap to them and Believe! They love our club as much as we do and so they spend as much time on this site as we do so lets stand united (no pun)! Press agree or disagree if you love the Rangers!
Nicko 1872

Its about time rangers started an organisation to show just how loyal our fans are and stand up and let the whole of Scottish football here our voice. We seem to be letting this beat us, fair enough moral is low but its us fans who are suffering its about time we took action.

08 Feb 2012 16:58:24
Just heard Rangers are to blame Broxi Bear for Rangers financial state. It work with Harry Redknapps dog

Never mind worrying about HMRC for now,As the more important issue is the VAT thats due on the ticketus loan that is owed&guess what.......YEH thats it Mr Whyte hasnt paid it!!!Also face it,Mr Mcoist is inept at management thus far..

There are also employee PAYE and NI payments that have not been made to HMRC.

VAT is not owed on a loan, more fag packet accounting ger1952

But it is owed on season tickets and if none was paid or set aside from the loan then you will need to pay it when you sell the season tickets , oh and also your loan repayments from your season ticket sales and the wages and the upkeep of ibrox, fab1

08 Feb 2012 16:31:29
I know we are in a lot of s**t right now but i feel we shouldn't abandon our team. We should get behind the boys, i mean when we did it at the end of last season we had a great run and ultimately won the league. so lets get behind our great club WATP!

We had Davis, naismith, lafferty and jelavic playing at the top of there game back than, plus mcshagger isn't playing to the standard of last season either.

The guys saying get behind ur team weve took the good take the bad Rangers Till I Die

Larky Bear

Putty 30,000 didn't back the bears on Sunday

08 Feb 2012 16:05:43
This guy again man.... "Scott brown player of month.... as voted by people who no a hell of alot more than you about football" explain that to me "taco" how exactly do you no they no more than me. Are we talking history, players, clubs, what is it ! Coz last I heard it was OPINION that gives these awards. Maybe they no more coz they got better eyesight or am I not capable of judging how well a player does in matches but let me guess YOU ARE aye. Another no it all " tic" who loves flapping his gums. macGER

It is opinion but in their case its informed opinion. How many Celtic games have you attended other than OF games. Those other would know more about Brown's performaces than you

David

Don't no if 1st post sent.... Ok David so the guys who vote attend all the septic games do they? No didn't think so ! So your point is what... Are they better at watching videos than me.... Keep flapping your gums its good exercise. macGER

I thought i mentioned it before, so i'll say it again......and how much of Brown have you seen this month? every game? been watching him closely have you?

i can guarantee that the people involved in the player of the month awards HAVE watched more of Brown than you, therefore are in a much better position to deem Brown as a worthy winner of this months competition, in THEIR OPINION. not once did i say that i am more capable of judging a player than you, i asked what the OP thought that aluko had done that was more deserving, yet funnily enough, no-one has answered that....they just throw in names and walk away without being able to back anything up, as usual

anyway, how sad are you? you're now crying your wee eyes out about a bloody player of the month award! i thought you guys had more to worry about than this lol!

take a chill pill, have a wee beer or something, it's only a bit of banter mate


taco

MacGER - what a ridiculous rant.

It actually wasn't meant to be a rant but it does sound like one. Must be more p!ssed of than I realise. macGER

I actually though he made alot of sense ,you seem to be the one who is raging macGer

Yeah mate it is banter....but just when you want it to be... Is it not banter when your the recipient then it changes to "your crying". Wisen ( not widen! ) up taco I'm actually a level headed guy who has an opinion an that's that. But you are right it's only a p.o.m award ffs an to let you no I have seen a fair bit of brown this month I went to the caley game an in my opinion what I've seen is usual brown - good workrate but that's it. but hopefully tonight he will catch the " player of the month bug" an be even worse than he has been! macGER

What made sense ? An I'm not raging man far from the now if ya no what I'm saying. macGER

08 Feb 2012 13:51:38
If Rangers go into administration then would it not be the case that they only received a 10 point deduction.

The SPL & SFL are separate to each other so the other SPL members would need to vote to kick them out and as most of them rely on the old firm to survive I doubt they would vote to kick Rangers out.

I assume they would get the 10 point deduction for the start of the following season.

The Pilot!

A 10 point deduction starts as soon as admin .

08 Feb 2012 13:30:16
If Ally was to walk, who would you fancy for next manager ? Few options out there - Butcher, Davies, McInnes, Stuart Baxter (lol)

Walter Smith ?

Walter smith wouldn't work with someone like Mr tight

Big tel i have always said he works well with no money

McCoist won't quit rankers! Stop looking for other alternatives, cause you can't afford an experienced manager!

DazzaBhoy

08 Feb 2012 12:53:39
Exclusive from me yesterday I said before any news paper having looked at cousins profile on wiki, that he was available on a free it was an idea pure speculation as we needed a target man, Q. ed's do you's think the paper's come on these sites to get there transfer rumours?*ksd* {Ed014's Note - Other Eds have caught out papers and other media by planting untrue stories.The £25 million warchest was a story that Ed007 made up about Michael Knighton putting money into Rangers.Ed001 and Ed002 do it all the time with English media as well.They have had to block/threaten legal action against S*y etc trying to get free advertising and they actually asked if the full time Eds would run a site for them.That is why rumours quoting sources are edited.Why should we give them free advertising or hits.All of our sites had over 10 million hits during January alone.

I read your post yesterday mate.... Fair play. macGER

08 Feb 2012 12:27:59
If Rangers are prepared to go for Daniel Cousin at 35 im sure they can also have a look at the DR Congo striker that is a free agent right now Shabani Nonda 34 plus there are a few african stikers at present out of contract so the fact that Ally is tracking free agents that can be brought in out with the transfer window isnt short of options

A strike force with a combined age of 69! really?...green jhedi

And just why do you think they are free agents? Nuf said.

08 Feb 2012 12:17:18
Let's face it bears if Celtic win tonight the league is gone

....not mathematically it isn't.

TTG

3 people disagree on something that is a FACT. Where the Fleck is the logic in that?

If Celtic win tonight they will be 4 points clear. Now, if it was mathematically "gone" then that would mean this weekends SPL fixtures would be the last this season, would it not?

TTG

League is never over untill mathematically impossible to be caught,artybhoy

08 Feb 2012 11:34:33
Ed how can rangers pay 50 mill if they don't have it? We would be forced to go bankrupt an with all these dodgy loopholes in been bankrupt how can HMRC get anywhere near 50 mill of us {Ed001's Note - you would need to speak to a financial expert to find out exactly what would happen, but usually it involves calling in the administrators. The administrators sell everything that can possibly be sold and try and reach agreement over how much to pay. It really depends on how much the admin could raise, I doubt it would be possible to get 50m though.}

Hmrc don't care about the 50 million they just want to win the case so they can take all the .English clubs to court aswell, they are bricking it down south.

It all depends on how hard HMRC want to be,usually the company/administrator try to negotiate a pence in the pound deal but HMRC are cracking down on football clubs.whytes previous dealings might work against him here if they think he's running down for financial gain(stashing money,not paying bills promptly etc) on purpose.there is no gain in speculating anything until the tax case result is known.there will be a bill for at least 4-7m which would represent a "win" for whyte.it does look like that admin is his plan as that seems to be his usual strategy,however,he has not dealt with a buisness like this before with so many people who have an emotional connection.

08 Feb 2012 10:58:13
Rangers trying to get Cousin here on Thursday as he is a free agent. It was The Daily Record who notified Ally about his availability so what the f**k are the scouts doing!

The Pilot!

Scouting for celtic

Think you will find it was his agent Wullie McKay mate

Are they camping,learning new knots y'know scouty stuff?.......green jhedi

They were at asda earlier packing bags for old ladies

08 Feb 2012 11:14:30
Here's a wee thought......

Izaguirre : £600,000 - Wallace : £1,496,000
Ledley : Free - Mckay : £264,000
Ibrahim : Free - Bedoya : £303,600
Hooper : £2,400,000 - Jelavic : £4,312,000
Matthews : £198,000 - Ortiz : £396,000

Rangers claiming that Celtic are only winning the league because of finacial hardship and Celtic having more cash - PRICELESS!
Mon the hoops

Aye but apart from hooper and jelavic, all Celtic players are getting more wages, I.e. ledley is on 20k a week mckay 4k a week.

Hooper only cost 1.7m cash the rest is add ons. green jhedi

What about the other 20 odd players you have bought in 2 years!

Are those five players the only players uz have signed aye. All u hav done there is deliberately pick players of the same position that Celtic have spent less than rangers, and remember Celtic have enough players for three teams. Rangers struggle to get one team together. Your post is pointless and stupid

There will be a huge clear out in summer at celtic,and with transfer fees and wage bill cut will leave us in a strong position.........green jhedi

Only Jelavic of your list of Rangers signings won anything. So your point is absolutely a non starter.

Steven.

Well lets include Goian - £ 440,000, Boca - £404,000 (both good players, but no sell on) we've sign for the future even duds such as Hoovield, Loovens ect will all be sold for a fee, Rangers are not looking to the future hence why they are in this mess

Did you even make a profit on Jelavic as there was a sell on clause in contract and profit already looking marginal??

Hoovield already away for 800k......green jhedi

That is a ridiculous argument, did you forget about the wrong Bangura? Also, as I've said many times, you lot pay players ridiculous amounts.

GovanFR

08 Feb 2012 10:16:31
I think it is time the fans got behind the team now. Was at the game at the wknd and couldn't help but feel sorry for the new lad Celik, he is a young lad who has just came to a big club, yet the fans were already on his back. I can understand and feel everyones frustrations but this is a time when the team out support more than ever. There is no doubt the players will be affected by the off-field situation and the last thing they need is the fans getting on their back. We now have, quite possibly, the smallest squad in the SPL in which we will be relying on some inexperienced players to come on and attempt to change a game.

It's difficult times fellow bears but if there was ever a time the players needed our support more than ever........it is now!!

TTG

25 man squad according to whyte.......green jhedi

I'm wi ya all the way my man !

According to Whyte. According to you lot, Green Ged-Eye, Whyte is a liar, you lot always tell us to get out heads out the sand regarding Whyte and his "LIES"....yet you believe him when he says we have a 25 man squad?! God you Celtic fans really are baffling!!!!

We can't even fill a 5-man bench with a recognised player!!!!

TTG -

@TTG;jeeze i thought you would get sarcasim mate!...green jhedi

Actually Jhedi, Whyte 'claims' it a thirty man squad, with 18 full internationalists. The simple fact actually is the squad does not have 30 and those so called internationalists include Andy Little and Broadfoot.

GovanFR

Green jhedi:

It can be quite difficult to detect sarcasm on this forum lol......

TTG

08 Feb 2012 09:52:14
just read mark what a jacket hatelel in the record talking p1sh about cousin according to hate ly its a good thing that cousins has only played 60 games in 4 years as he wont be tired now i have heard eveything the guy was and is a nut job

Excuse me? The guy is a nut job? I think u will find he is one of the greatest strikers in rangers history. So u either mean that u don't agree with what he is sayin or u are a nut job!

Did anybody expect anything else from "chemical marky". he thinks alistair is doing a great job and was always a murray puppet.........green jhedi

"one of the greatest strikers in rangers history" wow.you dont know much about your teams history do you? what an embarrasing post..........green jhedi

If Cousin has only played 60 games in 4 years he's either p*sh or injury prone!

DazzaBhoy

Just beacuse he was a good player doesn't mean he's not a nut job. Look at Gazza...

08 Feb 2012 09:04:36
If were renewing our season tickets for the next 5 years we have already invested in rangers and whyte is gonna f*** off with it and Ellis.

08 Feb 2012 08:55:02
My take on the whole Whyte deal to buy Rangers is this. Something is very odd about the whole thing. He took a very long time going through due diligence so there could not have been any surprises in the deal. I think he is awaiting the outcome of the HMRC tax case before ploughing any money into the club. If the case is won, then we'll see significant investment. If it is lost, then I also see investment not just from Whyte but from others. Either way, the £49m HMRC tax bill will be settled. There are enough multi-millionaire/billionaire Rangers fans in the world to stop our great club from going into administration or worse.

When will you lot realise that this crook will not be 'ploughing' any money into rangers....it's not what he does, never has and never will.

and why would any investor think that buying rangers after admin would be a good deal? the club has practically no income after selling the jerseys, the catering and future season ticket sales

christ on a bike!....you really really really really need to come to your senses!


taco

Ah the old millionaires all over the world dream! where were they for the 4 years you were for sale? they could have bought a lot cheaper then.only the "whyte knight" stepped up.....hows that working for you?....green jhedi

08 Feb 2012 08:43:58
It could be worse, Vlad's two other teams have been demoted (Kaunas and Minsk) since he withdrew his financial backing, CW has not backed us to withdraw lol...

Cousin coming back.... he's a lazy wally, made diouf & Boyd look like workhorses, and remember he got himself sent off in the semi final of the UEFA cup too.

However, saying that, he did score a pretty good goal against Celtic the day we sold him, and we desperately need another striker, so... hopefully we sign him.

P.S. Hopefully he won't read this, because he'd go in a huff if he did....

16th of this month a huge day for Hearts. 15 th pay tax bill. £500,000
16 th pay wages. £190,000

08 Feb 2012 01:35:36
Craig whyte is a self made multi millionaire earning his money as a venture capatilist, his expertise lies in turning around non profitable badly structured companies into profitable organisations. If he had to show he could invest £32 million of his own money into the squad to buy the club and furthermore borrowed a further £24 million for future ticket sales then he has £56 million in the kitty unaccounted for. Couldn't it be that he is anticipating administration and therefore irrationally borrowed money based on four years of future ticket sales for the debt I be cleared anyway following the court case in march to allow rangers to start on a clean slate debt free with a huge amount of money to invest? This would also explain why he is so hesitant to invest in the current playing squad as the inevitable administration and subsequent point deduction will result in losing the league anyway...... Any other explanation or theory would defy logic for a man proven to turn companies around, even if he has to get his hands dirty?

Spot on, he will buy the club back from the administrator for a fraction of its true value and rebuild the club WATP

Do you know any companies that he's successfully turned around? me neither...whay we do know is that he has a history of completely destroying companies, running off with the money, dodging taxes, being barred as a director, and dubiously witholding monies due to creditors.

the guy is a liar and a con man, he has no 'Plan B' or any other direction than taking the club into administration, while stealing as much as he can along the way


taco

How would you know taco are you a venture capitalist aswell? i think not just usual negiteve point about whyte if you have proof yourself then show us instead a talkin pi5h

Wr_86_rfc

Only one thing wrong with your theory mate,
Do you honestly think that a Company as successful as Ticketus would just give " a crook or con man" 24 Million pounds KNOWING that the club could go burst ?
you have a brain you need to start using it, or you could just do what taco does an d read the papers and quote unfounded sh1te from the BBC website ... the choice is yours

Pete

Have to agree with taco ,the man is a crook and he dont care who loses out as long as he makes money

Taco:

How do you know Craig Whyte has no plan "B"? Do you know him personally? Do you know every single detail of what's happening within the walls of Ibrox?

Nobody knows anything. Every negative prediction that was made about Rangers hasn't happened yet! So I think people should just stop playing the guessing game and just wait till the taxcase if over.

NOBODY KNOWS A THING!!

TTG

I don't know much about business, but surely you couldn't buy a company, borrow £24m, put it into administration and keep the £24m to yourself before buying the company back at a fraction of it's price with the borrowed money.

If that's right then surely the law needs changed coz that's the biggest scam I've ever heard of!

F**k chasing rangers for tax money how about chasing all the business men who have done the off with these so-called loans!!

Either that or I'm gonna start buying up football clubs, I just need to borrow a tenner fae a maw first!!

The Pilot!

What i do know is based on facts that are easily obtainable if you know where to look (companies house for example), i dont however, believe anything a newspaper reports, nor do i know him personally....but with his track record of tax scams, doing runners with the wages/profits etc, it doesn't take a genius to work out that there is no Plan B, or that he has any interest in investing in rangers.
remember, this guy doesn't even appear on the forbes football rich list which goes down to £20m personal wealth.....so we know he doesn't even have that much.

forget the tax dodge for a minute, and look at the other debts which are in excess of £50m, add the fact that revenue from season tickets, catering, and everything else is gone, and again, it doesn't take a genius to work out what his plan is

oh, and btw pete, the 'unfounded sh1te' from the BBC is fact


taco

The pilot

that's what the government are now doing, finally closing all the scams and loopholes that have lost the country over £110 Billion in dodged tax in the last 15 years alone.

rangers aren't the only ones going through this atm


taco

There is not one bit of evidence to show him turning a loss making buisness into profit.there is plenty to show him running them into liquidation tho.........green jhedi

Pete only two things wrong with your theory.Firstly, companies don't go burst, they go bust,which is something different entirely.When a balloon implodes, it is burst.Actually come to think of it, maybe you could call cw a balloon that is about to implode. Secondly, Ticketus did not just "give" money to cw, That's the thing that whyte and the rest of you rangers fans are dillusional about. The thing is loans have to be repaid, and we have all seen how miserably whyte has failed to repay the first instalment.Was meant to be £9.5m but whytey only has about £3m.Hmmm the figures don't quite add up.I know, lets borrow more on the fourth year season ticket sales assuming that there will be any fans left in four years time. So in answer to your point Pete, I think Ticketus will be very much regretting LENDING Whyte £24m.However like the banks, they may now just see this as toxic debt.What an indictment of rangers and how far they have fallen.Finally, where is the £24m. titter titter.

08 Feb 2012 00:22:41
Hi everyone/ed. Got to ask as its annoying me. When does our contract with umbro end? Clutching at straws here, but when it does end, hopefully we'll get a good sponsership deal, hopefully!

Anyway, lets ride out the storm, get behind the team and hope for the best!

Jay
Glasgow {Ed001's Note - Umbro only manufacture the shirts, not sponsor the club as such, but I get what you mean. The deal was done for this season, but, as far as I know, there is no deal in place with a manufacturer for next season, yet.}

Does it matter?

JJB own the rights to the jerseys, so no matter who makes it, rangers wont see any of that


taco

With jjb sports closing so many shops I think the deal with them was cut short but still sell the strips and that. Also I think rangers are looking for some other sports company to make next seasons strips ie adidas, Nike, puma etc.

There is nothing in rangers accounts to suggest a deal has been cut short.

the deal with JJB was for 18m up front, then 2.5m every year for 10 years.
if rangers were to cut tyhis short, they would have to pay JJB something in the region of £16m


taco

The big players wont want to be linked with you during this financial crisis...green jhedi