21 Apr 2026 22:49:31
Can I actually debate this for once.
Is there any proof that Raskin has performed better for us than what John Lundstram did?
I don't need to hear about international status this, he does this for Belgium that
If you honestly believe he has just go back and watch the euro final run, Lundstram was the best on earth, Raskin has never played that well for us.
Keep this in mind when you criticise certain players, your favourite Raskin has been poor the majority of the season and I rarely see it mentioned.
He will be a big reason why, or why we don't win a title. Keep that in mind if it doesn't go well.
Remember he's a downgrade on John Lundstram that to me is playing with less intensity to be fit for the world cup.
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21 Apr 2026 23:20:14
You remind me of the DJ on Father Ted, who only had the one record, same thing over and over.
21 Apr 2026 23:29:53
Raskin hasn't put in a performance to the level Lynne down at least 3 times that year.
He's more consistent than Lung, but he's never hit that level of quarters and semis of Lunny.
I thought Lunny didn't ever turn up against Celtic though.
21 Apr 2026 23:56:54
Who was the poster on here that called him "loose pass Lundstrum"? I want to see his take on the OP's question. 😂
22 Apr 2026 00:18:10
Lunny*.
22 Apr 2026 07:05:33
Why belittle any Rangers player.
Try supporting the full team for the rin in.
22 Apr 2026 07:43:07
Sixteenninety, you say you don't need to hear about international, well, you are. 1 is a full Belgium internationalist, may I add 1 of the top teams in world football, and the other couldn't make it in the England national squad. Don't get me wrong, Lundstrum had some good games as do have Raskin. You think prime Lundstrum would get in the Belgium team lol.
22 Apr 2026 09:00:28
You can't just say discount any positives about a player just to suit your argument, mate. Breaking into the Belgium side is an achievement. If you're going to keep on only using our Euro run for comparison, then no one will come close, 1690.
Lunny was great in that, but disappeared after, practically downing tools, along with others, often lazily not bothering to track back. He had good moments, so has Raskin, who has also taken plenty of criticism for that matter.
22 Apr 2026 09:28:02
Raskin is miles ahead of Lundstrum technically and versatility.
Lundstrum is miles ahead of Raskin in physicality and in reading the game.
Two very different players to try and compare, and two players that would really compliment each other.
Looking at the current squad, I'd be comparing Chuki and Lundstrum.
22 Apr 2026 10:07:08
Just because the song says so it doesn't make it factual. 😂😂 He was good in euro run but went missing a lot, and don't think he turned up v Celtic. Raskin is an all round better player, will have higher transfer fees and play for better clubs than what Lundstrum has.
22 Apr 2026 11:04:42
Groundhog Day again. Were you not on a post the other day about getting behind our players? You are now trying to belittle a guy that plays with us against a guy who doesn't?
I would take Raskin over Lunny everyday of the week.
If Lunny was Belgian, he gets nowhere near that Belgian squad. 👍
You also can't discount facts about a player to try and prove your point. 😂
22 Apr 2026 11:27:28
Raskin has worse pass completion rates than Lundstram
No Three Cheers the favourites can be criticised as well as usual nobody comes up with counter points or reasons its just oh we'll quietly forget about this one.
If i hear about Skov Olsen or Aasgaard or Chermiti or what's John Souttar doing when Raskin plays week in week out and is an equal serial loser to anyone else that would be classified as one but he's a Belgium international that wouldn't play in the Scotland 11 (never debated so idk why the fact he plays for Belgium matters, that's a downgrade for them)
Just keep the same energy for everyone, stop picking favourites or I'll make sure you know your favourites are worse, especially since they're the 'best player in the team' 'should be captain', when he's known to fall out with managers and leak teams and I'm certain is playing at 50% intensity stay fit, only recently put in any performance
Completely down tools when he doesn't get his way or he doesn't like a manager and you guys elevate him to the level he's not at and the John Lundstram comparison proves it
He'll make us money but you're not going to be able to point to any top level performances in Rangers shirt he's got 5 games left, keep that in mind with your memory of both him and Lundstram one gave a serious contribution the other might win a title but if doesn't was here 3.5 years and won nothing that would normally put the same fans who criticise everyone into the 'serial loser' bracket.
I shouldn't have to debate it, obviously Lundstram performed far better for us than Raskin has, and the only reason you can point to anything to do with Raskin this season vs Lundstram is the fact Celtic had a complete collapse and let us back in or what would you be saying about him 20 points behind?
That guy fell out with his second manager and a row and wouldn't play and the world cup that was more important to him than competing in the league.
Do you think he would put his foot into a dangerous situation to help win us the league? He'd pull out his big move is dependant on the world cup.
He wins nothing this season he's been here for 3.5 years and done nothing for us and I've got to listen to 'get rid of Tav serial loser'?
Okay Raskin is a serial loser then, but as usual he never get mentioned in these conversations he avoids all criticism by the fanbase can turn up once every 2 months and he's a hero. Strange characters just don't forget he will win or lose us the league based on whether he decides to play with intensity or not.
Watch the next match and see if he's actually fighting or not, he's spent 95% of the season hiding why do you think we had no control in the midfield for months? why do we look vulnerable at times? no control in his area is why.
22 Apr 2026 12:33:02
Fake news.
Raskin's average pass completion rate is 87%.
Lundstrums average pass completion rate was 82%.
Raskin is also ahead in tackles win, forward passes, key passes, assists and goals.
Lundstrum is ahead on interceptions, long passes, backward passes and one that surprised me - arial duels.
22 Apr 2026 12:40:50
How can someone have a melt down over Raskin is beyond belief. Get behind the full team.
22 Apr 2026 12:44:08
Not fake news, now provide your source, EHL, like I've said, the lengths people will go to back their favourites is crazy.
🎯 Pass completion %
Nicolas Raskin
Rangers (overall): ~86–88%
Recent season (2025–26): ~87%
Standard range: mid-to-high 80s
👉 Profile:
Attempts more progressive / vertical passes
Slightly lower accuracy ceiling due to risk profile
John Lundstram
Rangers (overall): ~88–90%
Recent season (last Rangers season): ~89%
Standard range: high 80s -> low 90s
👉 Profile:
More recycling / safe distribution
Higher completion due to lower-risk pass selection.
22 Apr 2026 12:45:12
No, how can anyone have a full melt down about any player and it not be Raskin? He's supposed to be the best player in the team. How about you hold him to that standard instead of people who have been here for 4 months still trying to get up to speed
I remind you, if you think Tav is a serial loser, you think Raskin is a serial loser.
22 Apr 2026 13:03:55
I can't believe you think Lundstram wouldn't have made that Belgium team on the Euro final run if the team was the same. Of course he would.
It's not a point about what his ceiling might be. You rate him on his ceiling, not how he actually performs. He has not hit the heights you think he will meet for us. It's irrelevant. He's got a chance for 5 games to make a major contribution, but without those 5 games he's massively behind John Lundstram.
The fact you'll openly say you think Raskin is playing better for us now than John Lundstram did highlights the rewiring you do in your brain over time to justify current opinions.
There's no concrete argument that Raskin has been better for us than Lundstram was, or any of the other midfield players before him, Davis, Jack, Karma, Aribo, Arfiled.
Can you not see that you pick a guy as a favourite and then you will turn a blind eye?
Fell out with 2 managers, leaked the team, doesn't follow instructions when he's not happy, performs at the level fans think he can reach every 2-3 months, fans: 'Captain material' crazy inconsistent people.
22 Apr 2026 13:20:20
Belgium international status doesn't matter any more than what Scotland international status does. He would not make the Scotland 11, and how does that increase his performances for us? What a weird take to back the guy. Again, this is all future transfer fee nonsense, not how he's actually playing.
That is a downgrade for Belgium in that position. McTommany, Gilmore, and McGinn would play before him. I don't see him in front of Lewis Ferguson, so there's a chance he doesn't even make the Scotland squad.
You realise that's why it doesn't matter? Belgium are in a poor position if we have better midfield options in one position than we do. They'd take those 4 Scottish players tomorrow over him if they could.
Can we at least agree, transfer fee aside, that Raskin would have been a complete flop for us if we don't win a title this season?
22 Apr 2026 13:29:58
You never hear North Macedonian international mentioned about Miovski, because it's irrelevant. You say it because it's Belgium, and when you get pointed to the fact he wouldn't make the Scotland squad you want to move on to a different point.
These things increase transfer fee, which is never my point.
He will make us money, but his intensity will decide whether we win a title.
All season, to me it's obvious he's playing with less intensity because he'd rather play at the World Cup. He plays safe to stay fit, closer to a Diomande type performance than what he was doing in previous seasons.
22 Apr 2026 13:48:24
Lol, source is Kitman Labs, the club's official data analytics tool.
The lengths I went to was to run a high level analysis on midfield KPIs, which took about 60 seconds.
The output I shared was also balanced in that I detailed where both players excel - which also supports my argument that they are different players who played different roles.
I appreciate that it can be unsettling when someone brings facts and balance to a bun fight. Apologies.
22 Apr 2026 14:04:02
Is that you, John? We've had Michael Beale on, now we have Lundstrum.
22 Apr 2026 13:52:40
Sixteenninety, ohh dear, EHL done you there. Bit ironic saying picking favourites when your constantly going on about Lundstrum. You put a thread on, people told you their opinion. Stop trying to ram your opinion down others people throats. You asked, posters replied. Accept their opinion and move on. Just for clarity Raskin way better than lundstrum
22 Apr 2026 14:08:51
Hmm, okay, but that's now how the stats are represented anywhere else, so I guess we just need to trust you're not making it up. My sources are online, verified across multiple sites. Your sources only you can see, which is convenient for your argument.
22 Apr 2026 14:14:06
He's done me, but I can point to 5-6 sources that say the opposite of what he does. He has club stats that he can easily invent, but this is not a representation of available data to the public.
I can back my stats easily. We have to trust someone whose argument is based around this that they're being truthful when the stats don't show this anywhere.
Almost like he made it up to back his favourite.
So my sites aren't facts then, got it. Only you bring stats, Ehl, I mean I didn't query it across 5-6 stat sites.
XD.
Again, we need to trust that what you're saying is right. You don't need to trust what I say, you can look it up in 5s.
And obviously if your stats are true, they're more accurate. I just think you're not being honest.
Again, no input in how you aggregated those stats, what were the appearances, what was the breakdown. It's just this is stat, I can break everything I gave you down fully, but my guess is you won't.
22 Apr 2026 14:15:38
Lundstram is not a favourite of mine. You make that point because you're incapable of seeing that I'm pointing to irony. I'd put Davis, Jack, Kamara and Arfield above him by a bit.
Use Lundstram because you think Raskin has hit heights he hasn't, and I can point to his Euro performance as easy proof.
Does he, or does he not, get criticised fairly vs other players?
22 Apr 2026 14:19:47
It's not a discussion, it's a debate. Opinions should be challenged in a debate.
There's no counter points to the majority of what I make, it's stuff like oh that must be Michael Beale type nonsense or why are you picking favourites yourself or whatever whatever.
Did he leak teams? Yes, did he fall out with 2 managers? Yes, does he ignore instructions when he's not happy? Yes, has he played poor this season vs previous seasons? Yes, does he have a World Cup coming up? Yes, is it understandable that he might be taking less risks? Yes, is he a downgrade on a lot of our previous midfielders? Yes.
Is he captain material? No.
Debate the point, you don't really have one. If you want to focus on whether pass completion stats are correct go for it, you just confirm to me in my mind that you do not want to approach it in good faith, which backs my whole point across the thread that you're biased and you can't take your Raskin glasses off and rate him fairly while telling me Skov Olsen is useless.
22 Apr 2026 14:25:01
SixteenNinety,
There lies the issue with data and anonymous sites.
Typically, the data that is presented online will come from European performances, as UEFA uses an open source platform to share certain elements of performance data.
The SPL doesn't, so what's typically added to the UEFA performance data when you run a search is unverified data from multiple websites.
Also, if you are using AI, your AI telling of choice will learn from your searches and feed shape the information it returns to suit what you're asking it.
I'll leave it to others to decide who's data they trust.
22 Apr 2026 14:34:51
That's true, EHL, but my stats are easy to reproduce on your own with AI. You can prompt it to research for an hour and provide all sources, not difficult. We do need to trust that you have stats for Lundstram for 3 years ago though, which for some reason are 9% different than reported anywhere else.
How do you feel the prompt could be rigged to set up this, or is that just some method to try and discredit the data? If the data is not accurate, then that is your point.
I'm using an aggregation of multiple sites, which could be less reliable, but it's publicly verifiable. That's the data everyone but professionals working for clubs use to form opinions.
I've said it already, you're weirdly focusing in one area, which the stats show are basically identical, while I point to performances that show Lundstram was better for us than Raskin is.
22 Apr 2026 14:38:07
SixteenNinety, u asked for a sensible debate, but are just doing lengthy rants and not accepting anyone else's points. And, as for stats, you're arguing over the difference of 1 or 2 percent. U speak of Raskin downing tools when that is exactly what Lundstram did. Apart from that, u also ignore that Raskin has taken plenty of criticism. It's just others have stood out more.
22 Apr 2026 15:06:53
A very enjoyable thread to read there guys, one of the best I've read in my time on here.
Sixteen 90 and EHL both make great arguments.
Ts and points, and really enjoyed that to and fro of it all there.
Well done lads.
Just to add, imo, the John Lundstram of that Euro run easily Gers into this Belgian side.
He performed to a higher level than I've ever seen Raskin perform to.
I still think Raskin is a better player and will of course have a better career.
21 Apr 2026 19:27:31
If loans with option to buy was basically an obligation but with injury protection then we'd have been able to punt and make some of our money back on all our failed signings we put on loan in recent years like Cortes, Cifu, Davies, Dowell etc etc. Unfortunately none took them on because it was just that, an option.
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21 Apr 2026 20:12:46
Kaiser, I am sorry, but that generalization is just pure wrong.
Each and every negotiation is different.
Every deal is different.
If it was as simple as you said, then there would be no need in negotiations as everyone would have a template for every deal.
21 Apr 2026 20:48:40
If he doesn't turn up and show the player he was a couple of years ago, Rangers won't sign him, Kaiser, will not be many people nothing his option either.
21 Apr 2026 21:32:54
You could make a list of players who used to be wonderkids or who we hoped to whip into shape and bring the best out of them. Doesn't really happen in reality.
Carlos Pena, anyone?
I am intrigued what he could be like with a pre season, though.
I just feel maybe this isn't the league for him to bring the best out of him. Could be wrong.
21 Apr 2026 22:53:46
That's exactly what I'm saying, Aph. Loans with option are totally different from saying it's basically an obligation but with injury protection as was stated in an earlier post. All are completely different, otherwise we'd have been able to get rid of those players who were option to buy loans.
21 Apr 2026 23:32:42
Kaiser, it is loan with option to buy, yes.
There are parameters that could turn the deal into an obligation.
I have been clear what the information I had was.
At this stage I am led to believe that the option will be exercised.
Fee is what is the major variable.
22 Apr 2026 00:19:59
If we take up the option at price quotes of EUR7-8m then we're going to have some warchest this summer.
No way we spend half our budget on one player, so if we sign him, expect £30m+ to be spent.
22 Apr 2026 12:09:08
Breaking into the Belgium side would be valuable, if he would make the Scottish 11, but he doesn't, that makes it a downgrade for Belgium.
Not really that they're the same player, it highlights nonsense like the guy said he was more inconsistent than Raskin, never seen a player as inconsistent as Raskin is.
Lundstram was a key player for us, there's no evidence yet that Raskin can be a key player and get us over the line.
You give him far too much off a pass because you like him, you collectively not an individual.
To me it's clear he's playing with less intensity this season to stay fit, and that could be the difference for us this season, and I cannot believe you guys let him off with it while quoting defensive or attacking players when he's supposed to be captain material best player in the team its crazy.
Keep in mind some of the same people who back Raskin to the hilt will now come out and call Tav a serial loser, then so is Raskin.
Don't pick and choose who your favourites are then criticise them less, Raskin has been worse for us than Davis, Jack, Kamara, Aribo, Arfield, Lundstram and I'm suspicious Chuck will do more for us too.
Doesn't mean he doesn't have a higher celling but you're lying if you say you've seen it in a Rangers shirt, this same mentality means Chermiti gets it anytime he misses a chance but Raskin can't control a game failing 5 yard passes is completely forgotten about.
He could win a title and this would have been his worst season for us by a distance, almost like there's a world cup and big move coming up for him.
We'll see if you remember this if we don't win the title instead of blaming Aasgaard or the gas man or Chermiti or Souttar or Tav or Skov, you see how far that guys down the list of criticised players? Why? Cause you've decided you like him.
Do you really think the fan base treats those they like the same as those they dont?
Then take the Raskin glasses off, across this season he's been poor, playing with no intensity and I've got to hear about John Lundstram's inconsistency? XD
It's never the 'best player in the team future captains' fault.