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10 Nov 2016 16:13:27
Well it's now official over with regards to Barton with a short statement and no further comment but where is the transparency King and co promised?
1.) 10 Nov 2016 21:39:31
Part of the pay off is a confidentiality clause by both sides you can't just disclose that's the law.
2.) 11 Nov 2016 14:04:55
the transparency that they where talking about is the running of the club and where our money is going nothing to do with letting people know about disciplinary matters!
15 Oct 2016 01:02:10
I know I sound like a broken record but if the reports are true and Barton's suspicion has been extended again then OMG sort it out been dragging on long enough, personal out midfield is looking better wothout him but to drag it on for this long is wrong no matter what anyone thinks he's stay a human being with rights!
1.) 15 Oct 2016 06:30:40
This drama is giving us bad press, making us look school boy in terms of managing a troublesome player and at the same time we are wasting a reported 15/ 20k a week on him when we could at least be using him in the squad.
2.) 15 Oct 2016 08:14:29
As far as the statement goes his ban was extended at his request this time.
3.) 15 Oct 2016 09:09:58
He never asked for his ban to be extended, he asked the SFA for an extension to go over paperwork given to him by the SFA regarding his gambling charge. its the club that has extended his ban, again! its a shambles, its needs sorted now, we are fast becoming a laughing stock!
4.) 15 Oct 2016 21:34:09
There is something called'law' whether it be legal commercial or employment. Rangers are keeping themselves right by extending the 'holding' position until it's time to proceed to the next step.
Get a grip guys, the days of kicking someone out the door disappeared before Thatcher!
(Of course some of you might not remember her LOL! )
12 Oct 2016 16:58:56
Jim Traynor now making us looking like complete idiots on skysports news time for action is now been dragging on long enough what's going to happen on Monday "stay away another week" need this sorted before then don't need any distractions before next weekend.
P. S Jim
He was only doing his job the same one you use to do!
1.) 12 Oct 2016 17:30:32
Not really. MW clearly said he will not answer any questions regarding the situation and the reporter kept digging away.
2.) 12 Oct 2016 17:33:22
There must be a lot of legal stuff going on in background concerning Barton and warbs can't comment. It looked like traynor had pre warned press not to ask bout Barton and one of the press guys was being wide but agree traynor didn't look good .
3.) 12 Oct 2016 18:20:37
Jim Traynor is an imbecile and the quicker he is banished from Ibrox the better it will be for our club's image.
With regards to today's press conference, Warburton was handling the questions fine and had the issue under control. Traynor's intervention was unnecessary and made us look like complete amateurs.
4.) 12 Oct 2016 18:28:49
What was Traynor supposed to do? Stand there and let Warbs give the same response another 6 times? The reporter is trying to trip Warbs up and when it failed they have made the story about the refusal to answer the question. I thought Warbs dealt with it well and to be fair his presser when the repeated unanswerable questions were stopped was excellent. I fully support him as manager he will take us places if we are patient.
5.) 12 Oct 2016 19:03:33
Jmaster I totally agree with you regarding warburton handling of the situation but even he look a tad embarrassed by traynors actions why that man has a job at ibrox I'll never know.
6.) 12 Oct 2016 20:33:51
g4rry - Absolutely, Warbs is a smart guy, smarter than Traynor certainly, and he certainly did look embarrassed by the incident.
Warbs can handle press conferences without needing Traynor to 'help out'.
7.) 12 Oct 2016 20:47:27
We're not privy of knowing what jim traynor had said to pre warn the reporters regarding questions on joey barton before commencing with the manager's press conference, so they just kept digging and asking about joey barton which obviously is in the hands of the legal teams and can't be spoken about, so good on jim traynor for not letting the pushy reporter away with it when he was clearly told 3 times by warbs that he wasn't commenting on anything regarding joey barton, what part of no or can't do these reporters not understand? Jim traynor was protecting warbs and only doing his job! Good on him!
8.) 12 Oct 2016 22:31:20
Here is what is I think is happening with Joey Barton. Tomorrow or Thursday, it will be announced that Barton has been told to stay away for another week. This is because he has asked for time to consider the SFA issue re betting. If Barton admits to the betting, Rangers will try and use that issue to claim he has broken his terms of employment with Rangers and they will dismiss him with no compensation. Wait till Thursday morning. Can't see Barton rolling over.
9.) 12 Oct 2016 21:59:30
Just heard that Lawell, ex players, and management at Celtic are getting probed for TAX EVASION, does anyone have anymore on this?
10.) 12 Oct 2016 22:45:00
Jmaster , the media would need to be up early in the morning to trip mw up, mw is brilliant with these situation, tells them enough without commiting himself or the club, or certain players, the press must hate these interviews with mw, they know he is to clever for there liking.
10 Oct 2016 14:10:36
Looking some of the polls websites are doing regarding Joey Barton (not sure if this one has done one) but the majority are vote get rid now my answer is why get rid what has he done that's so bad he's had bad games so has half the team including Wallace he got upset because we lost to Celtic good because I for one am sick of the whole we'll learn from this to me he has been made a scapegoat and the manager and board are looking to blame someone with a bad history and it's sticking and fans are jumping one board.
1.) 10 Oct 2016 15:21:46
What are the chances of somebody ever suceeding for a team where the board definitely want him gone but can't afford to pay him off, the manager presumably wants him out and a big majority of fans want him out.
2.) 10 Oct 2016 15:51:41
Now I'm not saying I want him gone but to ask "what has he done wrong? " is really a bit naive.
He is guilty of bullying a young player - Nothing reaaly bad here but he's got previous for this and it needs nipped in the bud.
He's disrupted squad harmony.
He's broken gambling rules.
And for me most importantly! He has disrespected the boss.
Arguing with your teammates isn't great but it happens. Both he and Halliday were guilty of this but when the boss says shut it you do it. Halliday did but motormouth showed his immaturity and arrogance. At that point he not only disrespected Warbs, but also the badge and the club!
Now for my opinion - Barton can close the door on this issue with 2 steps:
1) Confirm he has made a mistake in the heat of the moment and apologise giving Warburton his rightful place.
2) Show more drive and determination to be an asset to the club. Work his socks off on the pitch and aid those players that could do with his experience instead of undermining them. (thats not to say he shouldn't call out poor performances but needs to hold his hands up and admit he was also poor) .
3.) 10 Oct 2016 18:09:16
I don't recall Barry Ferguson getting hounded when he argued with Le Guen.
Same applies when Ambrose bullied Negri, no one called for his head.
Also don't recall an uproar when Black and Simonsen got caught gambling.
Now I totally get that you may not like Barton but jus be honest and don't hide behind lame excuses.
4.) 10 Oct 2016 18:20:20
As I have said in earlier posts - did any of these players tell the manager to f*** off - that's the difference. - That's why Barton must go - he overstepped the biggest line of them all - get rid -.
5.) 10 Oct 2016 18:28:44
Bluegenius out of interest who is the young player he has bullied?
6.) 10 Oct 2016 18:46:53
Human beings find it really hard to be impartial, if Barton had hit the ground running and he was suspended there would be an uproar. If it was any player other than Barton people would find a more of a middle ground. Since the guy isn't shy to voice what he thinks or feel (as we all are here) he displays 'arrogance' (Under estimating scottish football and over estimating his skills are different things btw) by telling everyone he is better when his career shows he is. You know what **** that Barton guy we were all ecstatic/ couldn't believe we'd lured to the club.
He now if he gets the boot he wouldn't have had a realistic chance to prove himself. Look at Kranjcar if we based his performances back when Barton was suspended, he would have been a flop too and now look how he is coming on. None of us realistically have enough information to make a solid judgement and we really should wait until more information comes out.
7.) 10 Oct 2016 19:24:55
Firstly nobody has accused Barton of bullying anyone except bluegenius. There has been no confirmation that he did anything except have an arguement in training. Nobody official has said he told anyone to f off. Also nobody has said that the manager or the board want rid of him and he hasn't been found guilty of gambling. don't base your opinions on paper talk. Remember who many of these journalists and sources are and what their true agenda is.
8.) 10 Oct 2016 21:41:32
Huey - I'm not somebody that bases my opinions on paper talk but the fact that within days of the suspension all Rangers' go to men like DJ and Derek Ferguson came out and said they thought he had played his last game for the club told me that this is exactly what Rangers PR wanted.
That's the way these things work at Rangers and all other big clubs and while Joey Barton is nowhere as clever as he would like to think he is, he certainly knows the club want him gone.
9.) 10 Oct 2016 18:05:38
Bluegenius, if you want to take that attitude then take it with the manager also.
The managers job is to manage the players- part of that is man management and through that he is responsible for the performance and behaviour of the players.
Could very easily say the manager must go because he has failed to control his players, failed to manage conflict (like every manager in every field of operation must), failed to get the best out of employees and worst of all allowed confidential employee information to be leaked to media.
I guarantee you a manager of a supermarket or any other job would lose his job under the above circumstances.
Worse than all that - due to Way this has been handed, Barton is not only due the rest of his contract but can easily take club to a tribunal for unfair dismissal or constructive dismissal- look at acas guidelines if you doubt this (because your wrong) .
To be Crystal I'm not calling for MW to be sacked- just pointing out that many of anti Barton comments are using shaky logic.
10.) 11 Oct 2016 02:21:27
FFS just get him back training with the development squad if that's what it takes then sell in Jan. Its ridiculous!
11.) 11 Oct 2016 09:06:08
Boss Hogg if I just don't like Barton I would say so. I'm not a man that minces his words. I'm actually indifferent toward him as a person.
As for the examples you have given you have no idea of my opinion so best you pipe down.
Garry, This whole furore came from an incident where Barton was sticking it to Josh Jeffries, one of the academy lads.
Dishco, I'm not sure what ACAS rules your on about but suspending an employee pending an investigation into actions like Bartons are exactly what any Supermarket would do.
The steps he has taken are the exact controls you have mentioned.
The expected performance of a manager would be decided by a senior manager over an extended period of time not by some external numpty on a website.
As for allowing confidential info to be leaked. This would hardly happen when wee Davie's comedown gets the better of him on a Saturday shift in Farmfoods.
And lastly saying I'm wrong by ACAS guidelines? How am I wrong? I have only stated what is wrong in Barton's actions. I have not suggested he should be sacked.
P. S if a NEW employee showed blatant disregard for his seniors, colleagues and customers whilst breaking other rules any supermarket could let them go without concern as he has been employed for less than 6 months.
12.) 11 Oct 2016 14:06:13
to bring up barry ferguson under paul le guen is just ridiculous one of the worst managers to ever be at the the at the time and barry was a brilliant player for us and commanded our whole team the way a captain should and always stuck up for his team mates and had years of service to the club won quite a few titles.
now barton I agree should be given a chance but if he isn't better in training and in my opinion he isn't better than what we have he shouldn't get a game but if ha can improve his play then yes if it betters my team bring him back he isn't the first to make a mistake .
first thing first though he must come out an say sorry to the boss and fans for bringing bad attention to the club.
13.) 11 Oct 2016 16:18:11
I think that's the most likely scenario. We can't afford to pay him off and and I can't see there being enough grounds to dismiss him. Think he will either train or be put on gardening leave then the club will be hoping to offload him in January.
10 Nov 2016 11:40:14
Warburtons kinda player you'd take him I don't know if you're serious or not with that comment?
09 Oct 2016 14:51:21
Are you joking BETTER the fact is this board and the manager have made a complete mess of this 5 weeks he's been suspended for and we have no idea if it's on pay which I suspect it is so who are the biggest losers here the punters.
10 Feb 2017 22:33:19
After this farce it's time for king to resign as chairman. the guy is a joke
08 Feb 2017 12:22:12
Conte started the season using a formation to suite John Terry, Terry got injured they brought back luiz and he reverted to his tried and trusted formation he used at juventus and Italian national team after losing back to back games vs Liverpool N arsenal
02 Dec 2016 14:23:49
I'd go with most of that for Saturday, what i would change is Hill in for Crooks, Crooks in for Windass (purely because he's injured for the next 10 days) and Waghorn for Miller.
26 Nov 2016 13:50:43
Enough is enough taxi for warbs!
09 Nov 2016 14:25:23
I'm getting this few home truths statement from bartons mouth when he spoke with jim white on talksport as all Rangers say is "can't comment".