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22 May 2024 16:23:08
Jefte done deal. Romano confirms.




06 May 2024 03:09:21
Heard there was a lot going on after the game yesterday. Fan giving butland dogs abuse. When he had his missus and kids with him, came back out to confront fan once got family in car. Why on earth would he want to stay? Something also happened with barisic.


1.) 06 May 2024 04:18:22
Paul86. Ave heard a lot in my life mate and the amount of brown stuff init has been a lot. Not having a go, but it is OF weekend.

2.) 06 May 2024 07:56:12
Heard this from 2 separate folk that was waiting outside after the game with there own kids to meet the player.

3.) 06 May 2024 08:37:51
No need for that?, calls into question the idiots doing it.

4.) 06 May 2024 08:51:27
Don't believe it if was trues someone would've posted it online.

5.) 06 May 2024 09:11:43
Someome did post it. Its on one of the rangers facebook pages.

6.) 06 May 2024 11:33:29
Disgusting if true!

7.) 06 May 2024 11:52:41
Aye he’s going to want to leave cause of one idiot fan lol. He’s adored by 1000s. If he’s going to leave it will because of more money or to play at a better level. Not because one fan gave him grief.

8.) 06 May 2024 13:06:50
Did the fan need a change of trousers when he confronted him, he's a big lad.

9.) 06 May 2024 14:07:13
No a single thing has been posted about this, probably a load of BS or maybe a tic fan trying his luck. If he leaves it's because of a big money offer and not some wee ned!

10.) 06 May 2024 14:55:25
Read this on lots of fan pages last night with posts from people who allegedly witnessed it. 2 grown men giving them abuse because they wouldn’t sign anymore autographs. Several folk said Borna took a swing at 1 of them for giving butland dogs abuse who’s children were there.



21 Apr 2023 19:51:12
Have heard that MB is trying to get Chris Willock from QPR for next season if Kent moves on. Think willock would be an upgrade and would be fantastic edition. Think he might be coming to end of contract?


1.) 21 Apr 2023 22:14:20
A Qpr player is an upgrade? You can't be serious.

2.) 21 Apr 2023 22:24:48
That would be a very good signing paul, he will probably get double figures me personally i would rather have him than Kent.

3.) 21 Apr 2023 22:25:07
100% upgrade.

4.) 22 Apr 2023 00:28:51
Not saying he would or wouldn't be better than Kent, but please tell me what makes you automatically think he would get double figures. Amd also double figures in what? Goals or assists?

5.) 22 Apr 2023 00:29:13
Why so disrespectful to QPR good players to be found at loads of smaller clubs big aribo from Charlton for example ??????.

6.) 22 Apr 2023 01:01:56
He's Scored 6 goals in 18 starts and total games played this season 26 just back from injury and the league he's playing in is a big step up from ours, Kent has 5 goals in 2 seasons orange tinted in our league.

7.) 22 Apr 2023 01:03:48
Double figures in goals orange tinted, he likes an assist as well.

8.) 22 Apr 2023 02:34:26
Aribo can't get near the first 11 for a team that's getting relegated, although he was decent for us. The point is QPR are one point off the relegation zone in the championship sitting 21st and people on here think we should sign their players as they would be an upgrade. Seriously that is a joke.

9.) 22 Apr 2023 05:39:01
Willow on his day is a very special player. I'm sure he's moreof a right sided player tho so would be for there.

10.) 22 Apr 2023 06:21:01
Tubby we signed aribo from league 1 charlton.

11.) 22 Apr 2023 06:23:15
Tubby that's about kents level also thr championship. Except he doesn't score any goals.

12.) 22 Apr 2023 06:59:32
Willock hamstrings give him problems. Great player but will not play 40+ games season. Latest injury was on the back of a hamstring strain that became a serious pull similar to Yilmaz. That has been the reason he has never made the step up to EPL.

13.) 22 Apr 2023 07:03:23
Aye, but can he assist the assist??.

14.) 22 Apr 2023 07:10:57
Beale does willock assist the assister tho? .

15.) 22 Apr 2023 07:25:41
Don't really like comparing players but when you look across the city and the numbers that Jota, Abeda and Maeda turn out as wingers then let's be honest Kent ain't doing it.

16.) 22 Apr 2023 07:44:55
Paul wouldn't be interested in what tubby is saying,6 goals in 18 starts in a far far better league, it is just his love for Kent mate he has 5 goals in 2 season like you no in our poor league, willock is a step up from Kent and will 100% add far more goals for Rangers.

17.) 22 Apr 2023 08:04:44
davie he has played most of his games on the left side mate, but he can play any forward position even cf or am he played many times at cf for Benfica b and at wba he played a few games at cf, he would be a great signing mate and then we wouldn't be crying out for goals from him he's scored 6 in 18 starts in a league that is far far better than ours, we have got Kent who's scored 5 goals in 2 season in our weak league.

18.) 22 Apr 2023 08:17:32
I'd sign Willock in a heartbeat.

Would definitely improve our starting 11.

Double bonus of being known to the manager and being out of contract in the summer.

19.) 22 Apr 2023 09:18:03
Kent will tear you apaaaaart again. 5 goals and 2 seasons. Absolutely ripping the spfl apart.

20.) 22 Apr 2023 11:08:51
Our coaching staff know willock from when he was at Arsenal and then QPR.

21.) 22 Apr 2023 12:45:47
Like most on here who are commenting I`ve not seen much of Willock but bring him in and let Matondo go, works for me. Willock may turn out to be good or not but we already know that Matondo is crap. So that is an upgrade.

22.) 22 Apr 2023 13:39:29
I just can't see Matondo getting sold this summer, definitely a player in him it's just we haven't seen it yet.

23.) 22 Apr 2023 13:40:57
Have to disagree that the English Championship is a far far better league standard than ours.
I’d say it’s comparable and more competitive but not much stronger than ours.
Loads of examples of players leaving from our league from clubs out with old firm and being solid performers in that division.

24.) 22 Apr 2023 14:41:55
We need 3 actual forwards who each score goals. Sick of relying on one striker with wingers contributing hee haw.

25.) 22 Apr 2023 17:07:56
Theglasgow you think our league it as good as the champions lol, other other clubs in Scotland would struggle in league 2.

26.) 23 Apr 2023 00:37:02

27.) 23 Apr 2023 08:20:51
Honestly please WAKE UP kent and morelos are on big money with no return for creative players and goalscorers look its this easy our right back has scored more than that fat Colombian liability and our left full back has more assists than ryan kent let's be real here is that acceptable for these big wage earners playing for a contract at rangers? My opinion not a chance! got to go free wages up for players who will contribute and not be passengers for rangers no loyalty to these guys there the failures to us and have to live with the loss of playing fir rangers 8 million for both so had our moneys worth i suppose! Buy Nesbit and vanderveer for starters not going to break bank and they score goals for the service provided by there medoca team mates in abundance and will do same for us some of our best players came from the same country and the bottom line better than what we have on 80 k a week between they two disappointing displays from so-called big players. Prime examples here are just a few players who were better and more committed than these muppets hustra, michelachenko, canniga, novo, prso jelavic Neil mccan davie dodds durie Ian ferguson lovenkrands rod Wallace Marco negri boyd albertz gio reyna artetta Alan Johnston naysmith amato Mark walters Thomas buffel that's just a few here obviously super ally mo Johnston Mark Hatley Duncan ferguson durrant Laudrup debour mols advaladze Trevor Stevens Stuart mccall gazza barry ferguson Derek ferguson mcciness whitiker spankman gattuso rickson drinkel darchville Bernard johanson latapy lafferty naysmith Dale Gordon Alan Johnston fleck Burke sionko viess duiff mendez Alex ray gavin darren dodds ay john brown Adam Jeffers capuhco Alan gow nick law steven Thomson Kenny Miller kyle Katic mccormack adam Smith Hughes konchelskis ride out cousins just to give a few players who were better than the two disappointing ones who fans think deserve chance after chance REMEMBER THIS IS RANGERS HERE not just a few performances cuts it got to perfect your game and understanding to become the best possible self to make it at this club stats are pretty much 20% of signings will actually make it as a regular 1st team pick up to your performance and belief if your that 80% consider yourself a faluire who will regret the fact you never made it at this wonderful club you had your chance all about the contribution you provide to the team here we arevthe people learn history 1st and understanding the importance of playing here is the highest honor once a ranger always a rangers.

28.) 23 Apr 2023 11:03:04
You not like Morelos w111lae, he has been some cf for us.

29.) 23 Apr 2023 18:18:28
Willae you listed many class players from the good old days, when david murray would chuck us a 70 mill war chest so to speak, back then we would spend as much as AC milan and Juventus on new players. Unfortunately will be long time until we have that kind of cally dosh to invest in the squad, we were champion league level back then, remember us getting close to the champions league final, under the legendary walter smith and having solid campaigns under advocaat too.
When talk to some of the younger lads at work who are EPL daft, they can't believe we had van bronkhorst-gattuso-arteta in the same midfield hahahah.



11 Oct 2022 15:12:28
Fabrizio romano new youtube podcast reporting man u, leeds and newcastle all monitoring leon king very closely.


1.) 11 Oct 2022 15:27:18
Paul and have been along with others since he was 14.
Man U and Leeds offered him deals at 16.

2.) 11 Oct 2022 16:15:53
Very good player. Very calm and assured. Been very impressed by him.

3.) 11 Oct 2022 16:47:09
A think the young lad will get us a lot of money.

4.) 11 Oct 2022 16:49:09
Not surprised as he looks as if he could develop into a very good player.

5.) 11 Oct 2022 17:29:32
King will be top player. Will net us huge fee when he becomes a 1st 11 regular. That's if he stays long enough.

6.) 11 Oct 2022 17:35:15
Agree seeker need to get his deal extended.

7.) 11 Oct 2022 17:41:07
I think king has the makings to great for us. He’s extremely confident of his own abilities and does the easy things right. Again like Motondo just needs a run of games regularly. But if the big teams are in for him, given the fact we nearly lost him
Previously amd promised him game time and I wouldn’t say he’s been played as much as I thought he would. All comes down to if he has Gera at heart or wants to go to epl and play on the fringes.

8.) 11 Oct 2022 18:33:24
Out of contract 2024 need fo get a new deal

9.) 11 Oct 2022 19:01:17
John26,you watch a lot of our young players and have given on here very good info to our best young players that are coming through ?You've seen young leon king for several years now and like us all must be delighted as he's made it all the way through to our first team squad with a very good career in front of the young man ?I stated earlier on here that i've been assured by a staunch hibs supporter i know that we're definitely very interested in signing ryan porteous ?As much as i think porteous is a very talented young Scottish centre half, we don't need him imo, as we have the likes of young leon king breaking through, who has the talent to become even better than porteous ? What's your own thoughts here John26 and all other fellow bears in general ?.

10.) 11 Oct 2022 19:28:09
I would hope with mcrorie and Devine re signing we will also be working on king. the boy needs more regular game time aswell.

11.) 11 Oct 2022 20:34:43
Massive future but will not feature too much in front of goldson and Davies which could be unfortunate if he only has a year left in his contract. Stunned he’s not been offered a new deal unless I’m missing something.

12.) 11 Oct 2022 23:25:40
Lovelace in our b team I think has a great chance of making it with the first team, on King I'd love to see him getting more game time.

13.) 11 Oct 2022 23:41:33
He’s a really nice kid as well. My sister friends with his mum, used to babysit him. Not seen him in years but massive blue nose so hopefully stays for years to come.

14.) 12 Oct 2022 08:01:39
I wouldn’t touch porteous with a barge pole. As for King, he’s done well when been given his chance. My only concern is his height. I just prefer bigger central defenders.

15.) 12 Oct 2022 09:28:28
McRae I agree re his height. I said season b4 last I see him develop into a very very good holding mid who can drop into a back three.
At 15-16 majority of his games were rb or centre mid.

16.) 12 Oct 2022 09:34:59
King will be a far better player than porteous.

Also johnly yfeko, lewis Mackinnon and Connor Allan all have great futures.
Only 16 but watch the kid Greg allen we got from hearts.

Our model if you listen to Mullholland and Robertson is to bring these lads through

We have heard stories re McKinnon king Lowry mcann wylie harkness all linked to likes off Liverpool Leeds Man U man c arsenal villa Newcastle, we r doing something correct.

17.) 12 Oct 2022 10:57:58
Has to be the business model. Invest in the best talented youngsters, give them a pathway to first team then sell after a few years at profit.

Good that we look to have a bit of a pipeline of players now that we think will be good enough for the first team.

18.) 12 Oct 2022 12:09:19
Agree bee. Also if a kid does not make it at rangers or in fact goes early ie Gilmour mebude Wilson we r generating significant income to plough back into the academy.

19.) 12 Oct 2022 15:16:43
How much do we think king will go for if these 3 clubs are after him it’s clear to me he will be off as they all have the cash.

20.) 12 Oct 2022 15:47:37
Unfortunately if a kid shows any promise the big clubs in England can take a chance and offer them big money which makes it hard for us to tie them down early. Hopefully us showing a path to the first team shows the kid it’s better for them long term and we could get better money for them but nothings guaranteed so you can’t blame the young ones for securing their future.

21.) 12 Oct 2022 16:58:57
Mb get 500 k develop money for him.

22.) 12 Oct 2022 17:04:36
If good enough much better for these young players to play 150 first team games before moving from Ibrox.

23.) 13 Oct 2022 19:00:01
I agree on king John but think he needs to go on loan and play regular bench off bench every now and then won't do him any good.

24.) 13 Oct 2022 20:54:34
Only problem is we need to win every game lots of pressure on the young guys if they are throwing in. In the words of Alan Hansen you don't win nothing with kids lol.
Hope we can get a run were we can get 3 up then put a few on for 25 / 30 min.

25.) 13 Oct 2022 22:06:29
Gofor I actually think he is getting good game time for us, 18, getting minutes CL and spfl.

He should also see plenty game minutes between now and World Cup. his minutes in CL are invaluable.

Lowry king mcannn are better than what we r playing at present, also Cole. McKinnon imo.

26.) 14 Oct 2022 12:21:29
500k? He's on a pro deal with 18 months left. There's 0 chance he leaves for under 2m in January.

27.) 14 Oct 2022 14:16:41
Tjrfc. My view is we would not willingly sell king in January or summer then he has a contract he winds down, therefore walks out for development fee.
G the lad is alleged on 4K a week, we have to sort deal asap
We have watched the movie few times recently.



05 Oct 2022 11:05:33
Ended up watching the game last night with couple lads from brechin. 1 of which was john souttars mate. Said he's got a pin in his foot and has a fracture underneath the pin which hasn't been picked up on any scans till after the livi game. Hence now the long injury lay off.


1.) 05 Oct 2022 12:58:08
Some players seem to be jinxed though their career, going from one injury to another, Soutar seems to be one of these players, so far it looks like a poor signing by us.

2.) 05 Oct 2022 14:10:20
I think it's mad we are buying a guy with a pin in his foot and his injury record in first place.

3.) 05 Oct 2022 14:22:07
Did he give any indication of when he might be back Paul?

4.) 05 Oct 2022 14:46:02
Baz never got that far into the convo ?. Half cut in tenerife and was during the game.

5.) 05 Oct 2022 16:00:18
Cheers Paul- I hope the booze and chat were better than the game ??.

6.) 05 Oct 2022 23:10:41
We didn't buy him goforbig.

7.) 06 Oct 2022 09:22:29
Said at the time it was a pointless signing injury aside he's no baresi.

8.) 06 Oct 2022 11:35:41
We might not have bought him but there would have been a signing on fee and decent wages. For a guy with his injury record, total waste.

9.) 06 Oct 2022 11:57:47
Agreed slim Jim, this was a strange one? With the record this guy had with injury, there was only ever 1 team that would sign him on bigger money and a pension top up.
Cant blame him, but we need to have a different strategy to signing players, it has come back to bite us big time this year especially.

10.) 06 Oct 2022 13:01:01
For goodness sake give the boy a chance. In 6 months you’ll be singing his praise.

11.) 06 Oct 2022 14:31:16
Bankie, he will be lucky if he even plays in 6 months.
When he eventually does, he will be back on injured list soon after.

12.) 06 Oct 2022 14:58:47
Sorry to say but a fully John soutter is a asset to our club Shame it’s no something we will see often.

13.) 06 Oct 2022 17:55:28
In 6 months he can maybe at his next game then eh!

14.) 07 Oct 2022 14:49:19
Wish John well, hopefully a speedy and full recovery and we might see the best of him.

15.) 07 Oct 2022 20:20:03
I hope that Souttar comes back to full fitness as we need backup for Goldson and I don't see Helander being at Rangers next season.

16.) 09 Oct 2022 12:52:55
I have always thought Kingsley of Hearts is better Rbs than Souttar. A ball player. Left sided. Set piece specialist. Suits as much more. I wish we went for him rather than Souttar.




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25 May 2024 18:55:29
If Scott wright is still a Rangers player next season it shows just how really poor we are.


1.) 25 May 2024 19:15:06
You can add a few more to that list.

2.) 25 May 2024 19:18:08
He wouldn’t get a game for most Sunday league teams, he’s unbelievably poor and shouldn’t be near our squad next season.

3.) 25 May 2024 19:20:04
Think we have said it for the last two years! Appalling standard.

4.) 25 May 2024 19:24:47
I don’t blame him entirely for the goal but he certainly didn’t help he has never been good enough and should have never been signed but I hope is out the door with a good few others.

5.) 25 May 2024 19:42:16
I agree Storm, a lot of fingers could be pointed but why can’t he control the ball, it’s heartbreaking watching him in a rangers top.

6.) 25 May 2024 19:44:58
Unless we can find a club who wants him, he'll be there for another year.

7.) 25 May 2024 19:47:13
Folks, I genuinely think we'll all be surprised about the amount of these players who are still here next season. They are going for 55 next season and will soon overtake our trophy numbers - it's not a matter of if but when.

8.) 25 May 2024 20:03:59
Tav, Goldson, Barisic, Lundstrum. Time for a change.

9.) 25 May 2024 20:41:18
Ehl according to some we have already knocked back bids for him.



19 May 2024 14:57:54
Quite enjoy silvas goal celebrations yesterday ?? maybe doesn't know the league is over.


1.) 19 May 2024 15:24:58
Sums up the chaotic recruitment at this club in recent years. Another who was a flop from day 1.



18 May 2024 13:28:51
Almost certain PC will go in for Shankland in summer.


1.) 18 May 2024 13:59:21
He won’t, he had the chance to sign him in January but PC thinks he’s too slow. This came from the horses mouth.

2.) 18 May 2024 14:27:54
Pc said on record he won't sign shakland cause he's too slow? I can remember that. Also last 10 mins seen the draw coming a mile off. Sums the season up. Shambolic defending.

3.) 18 May 2024 15:46:57
It’s not on record. But it came from Shankland.

Asked in an interview after the January window had closed, why he didn’t sign for Rangers - he said he wanted the move but PC thinks he’s too slow.



15 May 2024 10:15:36
We all need to be rooting for leverkusen to win europa will help us out massively in CL qualifiers. Interestinhly we could face brugge PC old club on play off round if we even make it that far.


1.) 15 May 2024 11:23:24
Leverkusen don't know how to lose this season??.

2.) 15 May 2024 12:26:20
More last min goals than the Tims, ? all seriousness they have been incredible only select few sides have had invincible seasons. We must surely be the only ones to be invincible and not win european trophy? I haven't looked at the other sides on the list.

3.) 15 May 2024 12:51:15
Paul 86, there is still a scenario where we can automatically qualify for the champions league. If Leverkusen lose and Dortmund beat Real Madrid, which is a big if with both games, then it comes down to final standings in the Portuguese league. i can't quite remember which team it involves but then the automatic qualification then drops down to Scotland. can anyone help advise exactly the scenario needed?

4.) 15 May 2024 13:14:06
Davie, i think sporting winning the Portuguese league stops us mate.

5.) 15 May 2024 13:28:20
Davie1980, we needed Lisbon not to win the league, so direct qualification is no longer possible.

6.) 15 May 2024 13:33:12
Mark44, I hope that’s not you jinxed Leverkusen. ?

7.) 15 May 2024 14:17:30
Not anymore mate we needed befica to win the league.

8.) 15 May 2024 15:02:37
Leverkusen getting beat will be the most Rangers thing ever. One of our players will probably get injured watching their game as well.

9.) 15 May 2024 16:04:47
David sporting winning the league stopped that mate.

10.) 15 May 2024 20:51:18
Bayer Neverlosin ?.



12 May 2024 08:44:53
Lundstrums performance yesterday is one of his worst and one of the worst i have seen a ranger at parkhead. Up there with ricksens roasting v petta and hooked after 23 mins. Fernando had the balls ans bravery to step up amd become a legend. Lundstrum went from thurs night europa league legend to just a bit of nothing really. Chucked it months ago and honestly cannot believe the manager has continuously played him week in week out. Hopefully he has played his last game for us now. Saying it every season but this could be biggest rebuild sice advocaat. Just not the same budget.


1.) 12 may 2024 09:13:59
very suspicious performance indeed, i’ve seen many red cards, but to do that in such a critical game where there's no danger whatsoever and lots of time to not do it.

2.) 12 May 2024 09:18:04
Have to agree with you Paul.

3.) 12 May 2024 09:37:47
Got to say getting a bit tired of the Lundstrum hammerings. Horrendous from him yesterday there can be no excuses but he’s not the only issue. Looking at his form since PC came in, one of the best players overall with the last two-three months him struggling. Perhaps relating to 1, his level of ability we always see up and down form. Otherwise he’d be in a better league. 2 the number of games he’s played as PC has felt he’s unable to rest him.

All this nonsense about intention red card, he wanted off crap. He lunged in like he has in previous matches for us, lost it at the time and paid the price. We spend far too long looking for issues and skating ours players, i'd down tools and head for a less stress move if I read half of the opinions our fans make.

4.) 12 May 2024 10:00:29
The last time I saw such an inept performance and such a horrendous and pointless tackle from a Rangers player was Gregor Stevens in a reserve match at Ibrox, That must have been in the early 1980's. Just shows how our standards have dropped!

5.) 12 May 2024 10:04:41
Tom am with you here. He 100% deliberately got sent off as he was having a total nightmare. jeez b4 xmas95% of folk myself included btw wanted to give him a new deal. Since winter break he's done a kamara and just downed tools. Exact same as he done at Sheff utd.

6.) 12 May 2024 10:25:22
Said it for a while now Paul he chucked it when he never got the money he wanted in a new contract

Actually cannot wait to see the back of him so the manager stops picking him.

7.) 12 may 2024 11:24:36
deecee was accused by the storm fella for being drunk all day and taking drugs

for having the same opinion as you and me paul, and my 2 mates who watched in my home couldn't comprehend why either, , , he had lots of time to think about that tackle and knew even showing his studs would go to var, so easy now for a player who doesn't fancy it, to raise they're studs or touch an ankle or shin, in the knowledge that if the ref doesn't see it, var will.

8.) 12 may 2024 11:35:29

i knew big Gregor well and i think i was at the reserve game you mentioned, although i seen him sent off a few times, but yes, i can't stop asking myself why and i keep coming back to intentional, he knew var would pick it up.

9.) 12 May 2024 14:26:54
Gregor Stevens Berkshire!
That was his trademark flying in like that, guys like that wouldn’t be on the park longer than 5 minutes now.




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25 May 2024 06:51:30
Would be silly for him to give up his mate rfc22.




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24 May 2024 19:23:57
John i agree the tav of old going forward seems long gone. Now highlights 10 fold how bad he is defensively.




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24 May 2024 13:44:18
Tav must be statistically rangers worst ever captain?




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24 May 2024 13:43:24
Walter have you ever seen jefte play to say he's a carbon copy of tav. i can almost out my house on it he won't flog as many goals as tav.




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24 May 2024 05:39:22
Another one whos constantly injured. Get hom gone end of season also.





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25 May 2024 20:59:41
Our wide players are absolutely woeful. Wright silva mcCausland all poor players. This is an area we proper need strength and depth next season. Honestly now so glad to get season finished and have no more football to watch for couple month. Mentally exhausting.




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25 May 2024 10:27:47
Neither kelly or robbie are good enough to be rangers number 1. Pre season mcCrorie was getting pelters for all the goals he conceded near post from corners. Could not even make livis number 1 keeper on loan. If kelly is coming in he shoukd move on to get game time.




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25 May 2024 08:45:05
He won't play at celtic if he goes there he would be squad player so not sure how u work that out.




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24 May 2024 21:23:36
Said he won't listen to fans opinion. Fans don't know how lunny is training and his commitment etc. He will start imo.




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24 May 2024 19:48:46
Is 2nd every season now acceptable walter? Were getting roasted from them continuously do the players deserve a pat on the back? A wage rise maybe? Tav our worst ever captain offically. And yet continues to be rewarded.




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