Rangers Banter 3

03 Nov 2026 19:47:25
Do we have any other ex-professional players on here apart from Fourlads, without being too personal? If so who did u play for or what level? Just love hearing ex-players stories and insight.

Fourlads, if u don't mind me asking, who's the best U ever played with, and against (domestically if Champions League is too much a giveaway)?

03 Nov 2026 20:59:36
Gazza is the best I played with. A once in a lifetime player that we will never see the like of again. Love him to bits but still would never share a room with him. Legend. 🤣🇬🇧

Best I played against has to be Larsson. A special talent and very clinical player who knew where the back of the net was. Moved on to bigger things and won the Champions League. Top class 👌🏻.

03 Nov 2026 21:35:02
Maybe four lads is our gaffer, the timeline makes sense 🤣.

03 Nov 2026 21:40:36
Ive been away working recently and missed a lot of the chat, who are you fourlads?

03 Nov 2026 22:02:14
Just an auld man with dodgy knees and a dog now Jack 🤣🇬🇧.

03 Nov 2026 22:15:27
😂You played in the 9 in a row era?? Were you ever there when Jim Stewart was goalie coach?

03 Nov 2026 22:32:23
I'm sticking with my guess from the other day haha.

03 Nov 2026 22:53:45
Definitely a defender if he's saying larsson 👀 must have given you a few nightmares fourlads 🤣.

03 Nov 2026 23:04:25
U must have some great stories mate especially with Gazza.
Wonder who else played to a decent level.

03 Nov 2026 23:20:32
No wonder you picked Paul Gascoigne, Fourlads. 👍 A world class footballer and was the best i've seen in a Rangers jersey, a very special, once in a lifetime midfielder Gazza was 👌🇬🇧.

03 Nov 2026 23:10:35
Kaiser great question without going to deep personally.

Always good to hear people's stories.

I have been involved in football for a while now but never played at any notable level.

Unfortunately for myself it was because I had a complete absence of any football talent.
Skiing is the only sport I am generally adequate at.

03 Nov 2026 23:29:17
Well, Alan McLaren, Scott Wilson and Brian Reid all had dodgy knees in their time if memory serves me right🤔🤔 Gazza's the best I've seen in a blue jersey.

03 Nov 2026 23:31:01
Know exactly who you are, Fourlads. The info you've given here and elsewhere leaves no other possible option whatsoever, unless you've been telling 'pork pies' 🤣

My lips are sealed 🤐.

03 Nov 2026 23:31:23
I find it difficult to choose between Gazza and Laudrup,
I hope for your sake you're not Charlie Miller or someone else on here might know you. 🤣
Seriously Fourlads, why in your opinion Gazza over Laudrup?

04 Nov 2026 00:39:33
Loved Gazza but Laudrup was the best to wear a blue jersey.

04 Nov 2026 07:50:26
Any good Gazza stories? Love the one Ally tells about finding waking up in the middle of the night to find Gazza was in his kitchen. "what u doing here? " "I fancied a sandwich" 🤣🤣.

04 Nov 2026 07:56:36
Gazza had the ability to grab a game by the balls and drive straight through opponents on sheer momentum and power. His close control where the ball seemed glued to his foot, and audacious creativity made him an unstoppable force on his day. He stood up at big games when we needed him - Rangers in the 1996 domestic cup runs and winning multiple league titles, mirroring his brillian performances for England at World Cup 1990.

Gazza was the most naturally thrilling spectacle that I ever saw on a pitch, a player whose unpredictable genius could shock anyone. He also could do perform still half cut. Legend 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧.

04 Nov 2026 08:15:48
I think Fourlads went to school
In Blantyre.

04 Nov 2026 08:35:35
Gazza lived up the road from me, he and others were in the local masonic and was telling us that he had some kids that broke into his house and swam in his pool. apparently he decided to leave the door unlocked so they could use it without breaking in. not sure if its 100% true but certainly the story that circulated for a while.

04 Nov 2026 09:30:02
I played at lower (what is now) SPFL level, got as far as the Championship but only for one season before I gave it up. I was never really fit enough or good enough to play at a higher level if I'm being honest.

Helped to coach the team I played for for a wee while but not long, still occasionally coach youngsters but not for any particular team. Based in Fife.

04 Nov 2026 09:45:50
Kaiser I have stories on Gazza that will go to the grave with me. Although he was a walking nightmare and you had to sleep with one eye open the man truly had a heart of gold. He would help young boys coming through and always had time for them. I love him to bits and he's my brother for life ❤️🇬🇧.

04 Nov 2026 11:53:45
Cheers DTB wish I'd even played at that level. Love the stories Fourlads, nice for those of us with no real contact to hear wee snippets.

04 Nov 2026 14:23:48
I have enjoyed this thread. Appreciate the info, stories and the positivity.
I work in the sports industry . I was a coach but not anymore. Worked with Robert prytz on a few occasions. Rubbed shoulders with a few players over the years.
To be honest didn't play football at any level.
Background sports coaching and development.
So a nobody 🤣🤣.

04 Nov 2026 15:35:19
Four lads - not a story but a post on FB.
Paul Gascoigne welcomes David Ginola to Everton ( a must watch ).

04 Nov 2026 16:19:04
Had a good career, plenty didn't believe it, why I wouldn't even waste my time talking about now, end of the day I know what I've achieved.

04 Nov 2026 18:17:13
Shame u feel that way Mystar, must have missed times when u spoke about it. Who cares if others don't want to believe. What level did u play at mate? Personally I'd enjoy hearing about things without giving away too much just as Fourlads is doing. For all know he could be doing an incredible bluff too but enjoying it all the same.

04 Nov 2026 18:44:47
The majority in the Championship Kasier, I really can't be bothered talking about now, mate, but why it does my head with some posters disrespecting that league, the quality is far better than some must be thinking.

04 Nov 2026 19:00:27
My court days are over now Kaiser. I don't need to tell lies now 😉🤣🇬🇧.

04 Nov 2026 18:45:16
My Star I understand your sentiments more than you can imagine.

Speak your truth, do not care what other people believe or not believe.

I wish I had taken this very advice and not felt any need to defend myself.

Like you I know what I have achieved, what I have done and I am proud.

You should be proud to speak your truth and I would appreciate hearing it.

04 Nov 2026 20:42:33
My star what era did you play in if you feel comfortable sharing?

04 Nov 2026 21:47:37
Will, late 80's 90's begin of 20's.

04 Nov 2026 23:07:07
Making it at any level is impressive mate. Sure most of us would have loved to.

04 Nov 2026 23:19:56
Cheers my star. I remember some issues previously with some questioning whether you had played professionally (or similar) and I can see why that would frustrate you but I'm sure the majority of posters/readers do not doubt your authenticity would be really interested in your career and anecdotes!

I moved to the north of England about 10 years ago and take in Championship games regularly - started loosely supporting the local team to me (PNE). Anyone decrying the standard/difficulty of the league hasn't watched enough of it. Swansea playing some great stuff this season among others.

04 Nov 2026 23:54:30
Will, majority of the Championship, mate, but did play in the epl, but never played as many games as and like, but the toughest player I've ever faced was Bryan Robson when he was late in career playing in Championship for Middlesbrough, i was on covering him and he torched me that day, couldn't get close and his range of passing opened us up serval times, got his shirt framed, though.

05 Nov 2026 01:59:31
Fricken' awesome My Star!

Don't bother your erchie with what anybody trying to decry your achievements says, mate. Well done you I say. 👏

Plenty of genuine footy fans on here that would love to hear anything you'd be comfy sharing. Laughing out loud at you casually dropping in the ex-England and Man United Captain's name. Brilliant! 🤣.

05 Nov 2026 07:50:15
Thanks for sharing Mystar. That's kind of stuff I love to hear. Hopefully this makes u feel more like sharing again. Now we can try guess who u are. Name a Championship player from 80s-00s who couldn't keep up with a legend like Robson, aye that narrows it down.

🤣. He was some player.
If he was the toughest to play against, who was the best U played with?

05 Nov 2026 08:31:50
Too many for mentioning Kasier, tell you one i played with at the end of my career, played alongside Tugay in around a dozen games, knew what quality he possessed, but seeing it first hand that man was different class, Stevie was getting close to who I was a couple of years ago, probably gave to much information, won't again, would dislike it very much others knowing who i was on an anonymous site, mate, why I stopped using the majority of social media years ago.

05 Nov 2026 09:04:28
Totally get the anonymity mate. Wouldn't want it to change but great hearing wee bits of stories so thanks anyway. Tugay was a class act. Really underrated. 👍.

05 Nov 2026 12:08:46
Welcome to the Banter Fourlads aka Alan McLaren, Four lads had a dream, retired with Dodgy knee wore the number 4 shirt 🫣.

05 Nov 2026 13:07:12
Was pretty sure fourlads said he spent 6 seasons at Rangers, was mclaren not around 3/4 scrambled?
Good thread lads. Mystar never mind the non believers mate, as like you said, as long as you know.

05 Nov 2026 15:30:43
Fourlads also stated the best player he played against was Larsson. Alan McLaren played his last game for Rangers a couple of months prior to the Eastenders signing the Swede.

03 Nov 2026 15:24:36
Congratulations to James Penrice on his first call up to the international side.
Thoroughly deserved IMO.

04 Nov 2026 16:18:31
Four lads , if you're a defender then possibly Alan McLaren or Craig Moore. Had to ask lol 😂❤️🤍💙.

04 Nov 2026 18:29:34
Well done James but keep your karate kicks for Martin Boyle in the semi lol.

03 Nov 2026 08:26:46
If social media is something that affects you as a player ( or anyone for that matter) then don't be on it. They are making a conscious choice to sign up to something knowing it involves the trolls and worst parts of society.

I know some use it to build their profile but that's a choice. If it affects your life or performances just come off it.

03 Nov 2026 08:39:48
Kaiser there's a story on the BBC website today about an English referee and the abuse he and his family received after he made a VAR mistake. It's well worth a read, particularly as it explains how deeply it affected both him and his family, despite him not even being on social media.

I think the problem is that none of us really knows what it's like to be a footballer in the modern game. We can be quick to dismiss the impact of criticism and abuse, perhaps because we assume that earning large amounts of money and choosing football as a career somehow makes players immune to the pressures and issues that the rest of us face.

But they are still human beings, with families, feelings and the same vulnerabilities as anyone else. A footballer's salary doesn't make them immune to that.

03 Nov 2026 09:13:24
Yes I read that mate. Difference was that was things happening in person with photographers and people going to their school which is disgusting but sadly isn't a modern problem either with paperazzi and morons in the street.
What I was speaking about is something u can have a control over if its affecting u.

03 Nov 2026 09:30:01
if the guy wasn't on social media then likely the abusers would have taken to the streets to abuse him, they don't stop just because someone isn't on social media.

03 Nov 2026 09:36:44
Can't see anything wrong with that, Kaiser moved it into in person, I comment on a real situation that impacts parents and family by the guys actions, that's abuse, have you ever lost a child to cancer, its devastating, thought this medium was about expression of feeling on any given topic that's being discussed, if commenting on real world experience of a difficult situation is held, then what's the point.

Sorry if I'm overstepping, but this is close to home for me.

03 Nov 2026 09:22:03
It's not just social media where abuse is thrown about, look at that idiot guy who taunted the supporters with the picture of that wee soul Bradley Lowery, how must his family feel seeing that carry on, total and utter rat, hope they bang him up.

03 Nov 2026 10:00:47
Kaiser, social media has become a breeding ground for negativity and ill-feeling among supporters. People read repeated criticism and negative comments about a player online, then turn up at the ground with an opinion already formed and a degree of resentment towards him. When that player makes a mistake or something goes wrong, they're already primed to react more harshly than they otherwise might.

A player can choose to avoid social media, but supporters can't avoid the influence it has on them. They are still exposed to that negativity, and it inevitably shapes the atmosphere and influences how they react to players at the ground.

Take Manni as an example. Yes, he makes mistakes, but is he really as bad as some people make him out to be? Or have we reached the point where every mistake is magnified, while anything positive he does is overlooked? Even pundits are beginning to recognise this, with his errors seemingly singled out and highlighted because of the reputation that has developed around him.

I think that's the danger of allowing online opinion to shape our judgement before we've even watched a player perform. Once that perception takes hold, it's very difficult for the player to win some supporters back, regardless of what he does.

03 Nov 2026 10:25:09
Just listen to Goldson interview as to how it effects players.

03 Nov 2026 10:40:37
Okay not using social media, but you think a player not using it won't hear from others what's getting said on it?

03 Nov 2026 10:50:40
Fair point Fork, and I'm in no way ever condoning abuse or minimising the effects especially at a personal level. It's disgusting. Was making a distinction between what happens online where u can try and avoid it and in person.
However I do also agree far greater protection and action should also be taken re online abuse etc which I why I chose not to be on it and try and keep my family from it.


Im not saying it solves everything but why do players chose to be on it when we all know what goes on it, if it affects them.

03 Nov 2026 10:58:17
100% bud👍.

03 Nov 2026 10:58:18
So does a player have to tell all their family and loved ones not to use social media also.
What about the pundits that are over critical.
Do they have to avoid the pundits and press also.
What about when they go to the shops with family and bump into some idiots.
Should they live their lives with their heads in the clouds just ignoring all around them.


I wish life was as simple for those guys as choosing not to go on social media.
It's a real problem they have to deal with.
The cats out the bag now with social media and it's difficult to avoid it as it's in every day life.

03 Nov 2026 11:09:55
Nobody ever really knows what's going on in someone's mind and how it effects their performance whether in a normal job or indeed as a footballer, everyone always has something occupying their mind or some family drama. I came off mainstream social media years ago due to the fact I didn't like the way people were abusing others and I felt I didn't need it in my life best thing I ever did.

Most human beings will inevitably react badly to abuse however others can brush it off but in no way does it make them any less deserving of a Rangers shirt either way.

03 Nov 2026 11:11:40
Maybe I never put it correctly. i'm not in any way suggesting u can avoid all the impact of social media but why sign up to it when u know what goes on there if it affects u? Do what u can to protect yourself from it.


Angus mate I never needed others to shape my judgment to think Manny is poor while socal media folk said he was a £30m player going to Arsenal or Dortmund. 😜.

03 Nov 2026 11:13:58
Mcmillst, done that myself years ago as well, mate.

03 Nov 2026 11:18:39
Absolutely agree Kaiser. Social media if a player chooses to go on it is a recipe for disaster. Being in the public eye they leav themselves open to everything 👍🏻.

03 Nov 2026 12:46:27
Kaiser, there's a difference between saying a player isn't worth £30m and suggesting he's completely useless. He's neither. But your example actually illustrates my point. One person makes a comment about his value, others pick it up and, before long, it becomes an accepted opinion among a wider group of supporters. It doesn't need to be everyone; just enough people repeating it for that perception to take hold. That's how social media can influence the way people think about a player.

The opposite can happen too. Take Min Su as an example. If the general opinion on social media is that he's doing well, supporters can become more forgiving of his mistakes. Even when he made the error that directly led to the second goal vs Hearts, it was overlooked or played down because it doesn't fit the existing positive narrative.

My point isn't really about the abuse players receive directly on social media. It's more about the knock-on effect of what supporters read and how it shapes their opinions before they even get to the game. When that player then makes a mistake or does something they feel he shouldn't have, their reaction can be influenced by the negative perception they've already developed.

So that's really my point. Social media doesn't just influence how we talk about players; it can influence what we actually see when we watch them play. When that player then makes a mistake or does something they feel he shouldn't have, their reaction can be influenced by the negative perception they've already developed.

03 Nov 2026 15:21:58
Always be negative stuff on social media even if you are Harry Kane , it's being able to ignore it and some will never be able to do it , back in day a lot of players never looked at papers and that was just negative stuff from journalists never mind fans , the bigger the club the bigger the abuse but on the other hand the greater the praise , every walk of life has it at some degree.

03 Nov 2026 15:40:51
Whether we like it or not, social media in all its guises is here to stay - warts and all.

Now, as individuals, we can set our own limits to how we use it. When we use it and what we use it for.

Rangers Rumours is a form of "social media".
Thankfully we have Eds who police it well and don't stand for any of the bull that other similar sites allow.

03 Nov 2026 17:38:51
Sadly true coopersdad it's not just a Scottish football problem. Look at the abuse arguably the second greatest player gets in Ronaldo. Happens all over the globe on social media. I'd actually say it's less of an issue here than it is in Africa and Asia where the abuse these guys give players is ridiculous.

We are lucky we don't have a lot of these people supporting our club but English football is plagued with it. Most of the racist messages online for English premier
Players actually comes from accounts in Africa and Asia.

03 Nov 2026 21:21:55
Social media isn't just a hobby for modern athletes it's a required tool for their career, branding, and sponsorship obligations.

Furthermore, choosing to use a public platform does not mean someone is consenting to abuse, racism, or harassment.

The responsibility should always be on holding trolls accountable and demanding better platform moderation, not forcing the victims of abuse into professional and social isolation.

03 Nov 2026 21:42:14
As people say this site is well run by the eds, so unlikely to get over the top abuse on here, this is only social media site I use.

But other sites have to take more responsibility for what is being posted.
I know people will here from other sources, but why put yourself through a lot of it by being on these platforms?

04 Nov 2026 00:53:26
As wish says EHL a lot of racist abuse actually comes from over seas , anything in these shores is usually taken care of by the police , if the abuse is fans calling you crap then they have to just scroll bye it and try to not let it get to you , every player will get it to some degree and those using social media will see it more.

04 Nov 2026 09:09:43
Calling a player pish and saying you want him dropped then hounding him with a barrage of personal abuse are two different things. I don't think our players get anywhere near the abuse some in bigger more popular leagues get. However not saying it never happens and when it does it's wrong and should be called out.

04 Nov 2026 09:23:04
Not disagreeing with you wishy , can't u dersrsnd those who are constantly on social media just abuse people , always going to be out there though so no much option to either block or ignore.

04 Nov 2026 11:32:57
Nah I agree coopers i'm in agreement with you as well. I think if anyone takes it to far in Britain they are usually caught and punished. The problem is there's ones from overseas make fake accounts and abuse players and nothing can be done.

04 Nov 2026 14:28:25
What a lot of nonsense. For 15/20k a week you can say all the hurty words you want, crack on.

04 Nov 2026 16:24:11
As much as I was disgusted with the lad from Coventry with his sick mocking of young Bradley, however he is just a kid and though he deserves punishment in some way the abuse dished out to him is Ott imo.

03 Nov 2026 09:17:47
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02 Nov 2026 22:33:42
EHL, I wrote a while back about youth academy and pathways coaching Europe wide.

In particular Germany where they seem to be producing an enormous amount of versatile playmakers and attacking players but so few true specialist strikers.

I asked if you had ever met David Wagner during your coaching journey.

I really think you would appreciate his ideas and plans for youth football that could completely transform the youth system in Germany.

02 Nov 2026 22:56:24
NATO - I would have thought France would be right up there with the best in the world. I think something like 25% of all players at the WC were French.

Which if true is a phenomenal stat. In Scotland we struggle to put out a high quality starting 11 and by the looks of it France could probably field 10 teams of better quality than ours.

02 Nov 2026 21:45:15
Rangers through and through if we don't win the league this year it's going to be a long time before we get as good a chance again, going out of Europe apart from financial terms could be a good thing as Celtic and Hearts supporters will say the injuries they are getting is due to the amount of games they've had to play.

Will be interesting to see how low they will go to get a new deal with the tv companies bad enough that we have games kicking off at 8pm on a Saturday night with no televised games allowed to clash with European games will be interesting to see what they agree on saying that no disrespect but who wants to watch St Johnstone v St Mirren at funny ko time.

03 Nov 2026 00:06:57
Very sure we heard the same last season, scrambled, Rangers are in a far stronger position than we were even a year ago, we now have many players worth good transfer fees, our rivals haven't got nearly as many now, sell 1 or 2 ever summer, invest is future profit, I'm really happy the way our club is getting run now, won't be big turnovers in the transfer market, build a winning squad, hopefully pick up the first piece of silver before we welcome the NY.

03 Nov 2026 00:10:09
Don't agree, we have a young team that will only get better with experience. The future is bright.

03 Nov 2026 05:37:49
We have got a good chance and that is after a huge turnover of players in the summer and 5 points dropped from 1st 6 as a result of figuring out best team while waiting for transfer business to be concluded.


I disagree it would be our best chance as we should be in an even better position when season starts next season, better prepared with a young side a years more experienced.

03 Nov 2026 10:40:07
Don't agree with this be all and end all doom and gloom nonsense. We have a young team who's only improving if the league comes too soon for them this year it doesn't mean they will never win one.

This sort of attitude is why we have been in a perpetual cycle of failure since Gerrard. Every time we won't win at the first hurdle it's rip it up and the end of the world.

03 Nov 2026 12:33:19
Its funny how having all these extra European games wasn't seen as an excuse when it was Rangers that were involved and by the way we seemed to get a lot more noon kos on a Sunday than these two are getting . Celtic have had one or two injuries but they have a a massive squad and no excuses , Hearts do seem to be badly hit but I wonder if some of it might be to do with the style of football their new manager is playing .I had to laugh at MON pointing out that they are "flying the flag for Scotland " in Europe , never heard that excuse before and by the way they are doing a pretty poor job of it .

03 Nov 2026 12:48:51
Wls he's a man under severe pressure throwing anything that will stick.

03 Nov 2026 15:25:34
We are a young team going in right direction with owners willing to get us there , think we have a great chance of winning league this year and if we don't we should have a settled base to go for it the following year.

02 Nov 2026 18:53:59
Hi,

The way Celtic are playing this season in most games up till now, Rangers will not get a better chance to win the league this time.

Not saying we are a lot better but we outplayed them in cup and league home and away!

I feel we will improve going forward, while Celtic may not till the next window, if they get in the players they need.

Not Wrighting Celtic off just yet, but the future looks bright!

Time will tell.

02 Nov 2026 20:29:22
Why are all your posts Celtic related? I don't think you've posted anything simply Rangers related. Your post last night (pretty much the same) was all positive about Celtic?

02 Nov 2026 22:58:15
I wouldn't right them off just yet. I watched most of their game against Falkirk and based on the amount of chances they had they should have been out of sight by half time.

Their fans are overreacting if you ask me 🤔.

02 Nov 2026 23:32:58
Zikos I think most of the Celtic fans i know are concerned about the constant decline of their fortunes in Europe and how insignificant they have become on the euro stage. Add to the equation we have money now and have turned them over twice they simply don't like being challenged and are getting worried.

They are weak across the board but experience has shown if they click they can go on a run but i genuinely believe they won't this time too many of their players just don't cut it.

03 Nov 2026 00:31:40
Celtic haven't had as weak a squad as this since Tony Mowbray, few players valuable, only 3/4 years they had easily a dozen players worth good fees, sold the best and certainly never replaced them with nearly the quality they had, they go on about the money in the bank, is used correctly Celtic could have a far better squad right now, and we would really struggle catching them, why i can understand Celtic fans, yes won everything for far too long, but could have been out of sight, now that squad is weaker than ours.

03 Nov 2026 05:05:33
Millst

Board being operative word. Reading their site see turmoil they are in. Its board, DD getting it in neck. They can't see future investment coming from. Sorry tic related but deserved to be said.

03 Nov 2026 07:53:50
All this talk again about how bad Celtic are, and we've a much better squad, yet they are still clear at the top of the league with a much better goal difference. All the we need patience stuff could be said for them too. Let's just try and catch them 1st. Yes we've been thrown a lifeline but we've plenty of improvement to see too.

03 Nov 2026 08:13:52
Mystar think we are pretty even, i for one am not writing them off at this time, i think anyone who does is foolish. they aren't clicking at the moment but easily could start to do so.

03 Nov 2026 09:11:36
Yes their poor in Europe just now and had blips in the league, but so have we, there is not much difference tbh, but yet their top by 4, albeit we have a game in hand, that is a must win. Agreed Kaiser and Geesa, we need improvement also and its just stupidity to write them off.

03 Nov 2026 10:30:51
Kasier, Rangers have a better squad, Celtic have lost every big game, lost the only game away against a club in the top half, nobody it written anyone off, only being honest, it's obviously clear their squad has went downhill the last few years, not very hard to see.

03 Nov 2026 10:48:26
Only thing Celtic has any advantage on, is because of the experience still in that squad from winning everything, but not nearly as good a squad and they'll previous had, why they will never be written off.

03 Nov 2026 12:11:29
Maybe Mystar but we just need to prove it on a more regular basis before knocking them too much. Could have said similar in the run into last season. While they may have left the door open I prefer to just focus on where we are.

03 Nov 2026 12:32:19
Kasier, my focus is the same of where we are, only being honest that Celtic squad has went downhill rapidly in the last few seasons, but you can't never write that squad off, but I'm very confident we're heading in the right direction now, hopefully we win the league, but if we don't, but we see progress that will do me.