22 Nov 2023 16:26:25
Told today from friend in Brighton that they r trying to engineer a deal with sima and cifuentes.

They had a bid for cifuentes of 10 million rejected in summer 22.

1.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 18:14:06
Feel like that would be a good bit of business.

2.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 18:30:18
Interesting, John.

3.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 18:35:31
Bite there hand off at that john. Straight swap. That would be a great bit of business.

4.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 18:45:59
If we could get a straight swap surely we want to take that? Think we'd probably need to bring in another Cm, but that looks doable - maybe Barron in January if we can sort a fee?

5.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 18:49:06
It that's what it takes to get Sima am all for it, but rate Cifuentes highly.

6.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 18:54:07
Here's hoping we can do this deal.

7.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 19:49:44
Would be happy if that were true, do they not fancy Dessers, Lammers, Dowell or Sterling too as a job lot?

8.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 20:05:51
That sounds like a great deal.

Maybe aims isn’t valued as high by Brighton as we thought.

It shows that he must be valued no more than at £5m max cause let’s be honest we’d be lucky to have gotten £2-3m for Cifuentes and Infact I don’t think we’d have got that.

If cifuentes comes good before the end of the season and we want to keep him then it shows we could get sima on the cheap.

9.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 20:14:20
Stevie. They bid 10 million last year for cifuentes yet u say 2/ 3 strange.

10.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 20:21:36
Would really like cifu to get a run in the team before anything like that. I do like Sima but cifu a lot of potential as well. Pains me that ryan jack still gets preferred over others.

11.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 20:24:56
Stevie Brighton don't buy players lacking quality mate, they must believe Cifuentes could impress in the epl.

12.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 20:46:53
Stevie it doesn’t tell you anything about valuation as John states they have already bud 10 million before for cifu.

13.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 21:13:44
My star if Brighton want cifuentes I’d be cautious as they are good at signing players of quality

I’d want add ons and sell on.

14.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 21:15:23
Sima plus 5m lol.

15.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 21:29:27
Strange Brighton didn’t snap him up when we did! Sounds like a nonsense rumour.

16.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 21:53:46
I'm with star in sky on this good move but feel we are still to see better of cifuentes surprised he's not played much for Clement.

17.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 22:05:35
Aye John. That’s very strange mate.

If Brighton wanted to pay £10m for him, why didn’t they sign him for the pennies he cost us? That’s stranger sounding to me.

I’m stating a fact that right now other than your rumour at top of thread we’d be lucky to get £2-3m for cifuentes.

He’s done absolutely nothing for us other than give the ball away, and he’s done not a lot better for his country lately either.

There’s nothing strange about my statement whatsoever John, there’s not a club in the world that would pay anywhere close to £10m for Cifuentes mate.
So far from what we’ve seen he’s out his depth n I’ll be extremely shocked if what u say comes to fruition.

n that's a good few of my posts u have tried to bring down n ridicule pal yet last few Occasions I’ve blew u out the water in the argument that ensues.

Seems to me, as I’ve been watching how u work, when u have a disagreement with someone because they disagree with u and u throw the toys out the pram and threaten to not post your info anymore, see after that when it’s all blew over u wait on the poster to post something that could be wrong or certainly up for debate or controversial and u pounce on it as if to make person look stupid.

Doesn’t work with me John.

Cifuentes isn’t worth £10m atm, and likely never will be. Hope I’m wrong.

If Brighton do want him in a swap deal then he’s still not worth £10m is he? It would be £7m, but consider sima will be entering last year if his contract would u say £5m maybe, he’s also been a flop, so maybe £4m?

If this Brighton rumour doesn’t matetualsise we’d be lucky to get £2m for cifuentes in January.

18.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 22:40:10
I think Cifuentes will come good tbh, looked really. good first couple of appearances so is something there.

19.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 22:42:33
I thought there was a rumour that Brighton couldn’t get a work permit for him?

I always assumed we’d be a stepping stone to the EPL for him.

20.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 23:08:32
Sounds utter nonsense. If brighton were interested at 10m, they have snapped him up when we did.

21.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 22:13:53
David how is it nonsense rumour. I don’t post nonsense.

22.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 22:15:26
If Brighton want Cifuentes, that's enough reason to keep him.

23.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 22:18:34
Beale I know what your saying re Brighton track record in the market.
What I’m saying is if there willing to swap cifu for sima they must not value sima very high, let’s be honest mate how much would we accept for cifuentes say in January? Outwith sima we’d bite the hand off anyone offering £3/ 4m atm?

So they can’t value sima as high as we thought they would, many of us including me thought they’d want minimum £7m maybe £10m if. He has a great season.
Look at Tillman.
If a loan has a great season Brighton could try maximise sale to another club and we’d be priced out.

If rumour is true I’d jump at the swap and agree on a % sell on for both players with both clubs
Ur both clubs get 15% sell on from the player they’re selling.
It be easier for Brighton to just sign cifuentes for a few million and sell sima to another club in the summer.
If I’m Brighton I’m doing that.

24.) 22 Nov 2023
22 Nov 2023 23:35:47
Don't know about any of this but I did see Davie Weir at Glasgow Airport first thing in the morning on Monday getting a flight back down south.

25.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 00:28:06
But Sima is ooc in 2025 stevie, Rangers ain't paying 7m or 10m for him next summer mate, i wouldn't touch a bid of a couple of million for Cifuentes, he's far to talented a footballer for selling at that price, he's not even settled in our country and only moved out a hotel a short time ago, all players are different at settling down, especially a country with four seasons in one day, a South America playing in the MLS and we expect him to get use to this climate in months, I'll say it again i believe Cifuentes will be a top player for us moving forward, he'll get up to the game speed, class footballers always do, it just a far faster game where he is now.

26.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 01:07:16
Dale I have no reason doubt your assessment of cifuentes, I never seen anything other than a few highlights in which he looked a cracking player.
I think he could come good aswell, only because of yourself and a small couple of others who say they have seen him and know how good he is.
So I’m taking yours and others word in it and will think yous could be right.

But as of the here and now, he’s not worth a lot mate.

I know sima out of contract a year from summer, that’s what I’m saying. I’m saying they paid £7m for him, he’s been a flop and found himself in Scotland where he’s doing well but not outstanding let’s be honest.
I’d love to keep him but he’s not worth say £10m.
I’d say £5m.

I’m saying that a lot of fans felt we’d be priced out a move by other clubs and brightons valuation, but with being a flop at Brighton, and only having 1 year left on his deal come the summer then we could maybe get him for £5m give or take?

This being my point if cifuentes is so good then why not say no and just buy sima? We could afford that.

And on the flip side, if Brighton wanted cifuentes I think most would agree that the club would take £3/ 4/ 5m in Jan at the first asking.

Then Brighton could try sell sima in summer for max profit so why mix the 2 up.

I don’t think u were getting what I’m meaning bro or maybe I’m not putting it across properly.

Sima is on the up and cifuentes in the down.

It makes no sense for Brighton to do that deal.

27.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 05:39:42
Cifuentes Stock will still be quite high his club were knocking back £10million bids if a swap is not done I think we should look to sell in January a don’t see a £10million player there if we could get £5/ 6million we should move him on imo.

28.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 06:45:43
Brighton don't sign rubbish? - they signed Shane Duffy.

29.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 08:20:24
Stevie, you love a long post ?.

30.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 08:42:44
Lanzarote they signed Shane Duffy before the talent spotting scouts arrived and before they were in the prem. There whole business policy has changed since he got sent up here as a secret agent so now there model is to buy young talent and sell a lot of profit and it's working out brilliant for them it's about time we started to do this. Been hearing this is the plan for years now but only been executed once twice.

31.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 08:43:39
I actually like the look of Cifu and think he may have a big part to play this season. Definitely wouldn't let him leave on the cheap.

32.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 09:32:02
I'm with My Star, I was really looking forward to cifuentes coming,
I think we always kinda expect these guys to settle in and hit the ground running buy, he's moved across the world to a club that demands more than most other clubs. He came into a team struggling with confidence and had niggling injuries, also we often say for that money they should go straight into team but nowadays what we spend, even if its 4.5m, doesn't buy that. You get untried talent that have potential or guys who have had a bad couple of years after impressing or someone with a potential injury risk. I love Sima and hope we can get him maybe another loan or cut a deal for maybe 2-3m, but I also think if Cifuentes gets a chance we could have a real influencer in middle of park.

33.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 10:01:21
Stevie you might value him at £2/ 3/ 4m but the inside word is Rangers as a club value him closer to £7m.

34.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 10:39:59
Still not sold on Sima, he has had 2 or 3 decent games. Couple of good goals. however super wasteful. (Very similar to Sakala) and surely for £5m odds you could find a better player.

Cifu will come good for sure. I wouldn't be selling him so quick and he likely just needs a run of games.

Christ. Lammers is still getting game time and he's terrible (bar the one absolute peach goal against crap opponent lol) and Dessers. nothing more needing said there.

Lundstram has been outstanding since PC came in so Cifu is fighting with Jack and Raskin for a spot really. Unless Lammers is dropped and Cantwell pushed forward.
I did think Dowell would have more of a go too but must be something up with him. I also wouldn't have Hagi back to be honest.

35.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 10:47:40
How much do u value him at bb?

Rangers can value him at £7m all they want I personally don’t see them getting that.

Think John stated himself just 2 days ago when arguing with someone else that we don’t have a single player who would fetch £8m not one.

36.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 10:54:25
apologies Chasni, I’m even worse in person mate ye can’t get a word in ?.

37.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 11:15:32
Cifu is a good player just hasn’t broke through in the team. If Brighton are looking for a swap they see the potential and sell on value. Someone mentioned a sell on clause if we do the swap. I agree. Make sure we get something if they sell him in future. If it happens that is.

38.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 11:30:18
Cifu can’t get in in front of Jack/ Lunny ATM a player that has real quality would move them aside quickly even tho Lunny has been excellent, He definitely has something about him but not shown anything yet Sima will always score always create problems, players like tht are harder to come by for us IMO, Brighton normally look ahead who they will be selling bring players in early to replace they may have the time to build him into a player but we don’t! If we can get that done I’d take Sima all day! As some suggested with a sell on on Cifu as they’ll likely want the same on Sima.

39.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 11:53:11
Also Brighton never snapped him up because of work permit issues and turned there attention to caicedo. Look that how that panned out.

40.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 12:28:58
Stevie thankfully its Rangers value on the player that matters, not yours.

41.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 12:36:23
If true it opens a slot for connor barron hopefuly.

42.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 12:47:53
The reason Jack gets picked over the others is that he has come back into the team and has been excellent as has Lundstram alongside him . Raskin was inconsistent at best before his injury and Cifuentes has shown nothing . To be honest I`m not even sure what his role in a midfield would be . If swap doesn`t happen and Big Phil gets to work on him there could still be a good player in there waiting to come out.

43.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 13:11:17
Cifuentes is better than a good player.

44.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 15:14:57
Bornabear, u never answered my question.

Tell me this, how much do u think it would take for us to sell cifuentes?
Also what do u rate his value as?

And lastly mate, had u seen him play before we signed him? If so what was your opinion of him?

Just genuine questions mate since your rubbishing my valuation of him, which I’ll be honest from what we’ve seen so far £3m is generous to the player.
That’s the cold hard facts. If he was at Celtic yous would agree.

Lastly caciedo was already at Brighton when they wanted cifuentes. He was likely caciedo replacement when they wanted him.

45.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 15:52:50
Stevie Caciedo replacement that must tell you how highly they rate Cifuentes then.

46.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 16:44:19
It absolutely does Beale.

I’m not saying he’s not got the ability, I’ve seen it in videos.
But since he came here, he’s not shown it and has been quite poor when he’s played.

I remember though Gilmour was playing after de zerbi went most of season not giving him a sniff, Gilmour was outstanding for a few months n de zerbi came out and said he wasn’t expecting that from Gilmour and he’s surprised him and gave him a lot to think about.

Perhaps that’s why they never perused it after that?
I don’t know.

Brighton can rate cifuentes as high as they want, I can only speak on what’s infront of me and he’s not showing up well as of now.

If Brighton want cifuentes they will get him that’s a fact, they’ll bid for him and the player will tell rangers he wants the move.

So time will tell.

47.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 17:03:45
Allymc I kinda agree but then I also think he would be far better as a replacement for dessers than being played as a wide man.

48.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 17:25:29
Stevie it’s irrelevant what you or I value him at. ‘The cold hard facts’ as you put it are that he’s valued close to £7m. Unfortunately you’re going to have to accept that.

49.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 17:49:34
??
Not a chance is he valued at £7m by the club mate.

He can’t get a game ahead of a half finished Ryan jack and a guy 90% of fans wanted rid I fb a few weeks ago.
Both of whom are on the wrong side of 30 and contracts are up in the summer.

Wonder what we value them at?

Cifuentes isn’t valued at £7m by rangers.

Where did u get this figure from mate?
U have plucked it from thin air.

If we got a bid of £3-4m in January we’d bite the hand of the bidder.
And he’s not shown anything near that yet.

The much revered jon227 said as much the other day when he said we don’t have a player in the squad worth anywhere near £8m and he’s bite the hand off anyone bidding that for Butland, Danilo, cantwell and raskin, who himself is ahead of cifuentes atm.

So where does cifuentes valuation come from?

How can he be worth more than our star players when he can’t even be guaranteed a place on the bench some weeks.

Madness man.

50.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 19:52:03
We would be fools to sell Cifuentes for 3/ 4m stevie, i seen the player he can be and that's a very talented midfielder, obviously not settled fast but that will come once he gets up to the speed of the game he's playing now, high hopes for him mate.

51.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 21:09:44
Fingers crossed he finds his feet in time for 2nd half of season Beale, somewhere in the middle of all that my point, or one of them, was it shows sima isn’t valued as high as we had worried.
Maybe we can afford to buy sima in the summer if he wants to stay, and keep cifuentes.

A lot of folk thought we’d be priced out of a move for sima or that he’d go back to Brighton and feature, if true then this shows there willing to let him go and it won’t cost an arm and a leg.

Plenty time left for cifuentes to show what he’s got. ??.

52.) 23 Nov 2023
23 Nov 2023 22:02:42
Think we get Sima for 5m stevie, I'd prefer both next season.

53.) 24 Nov 2023
24 Nov 2023 00:28:50
Agreed Beale I think £5m will be their price and I do think we’ll sign him. Hope we do.
Also I’d rather keep hold of cifuentes for now to see how he does 2nd part of season.

I had extremely high hopes for him from what I seen I clips and the reports of fans and management.

They can’t all be wrong.

He may come good and he may not, remember Arnold peralta, signed with high expectations and unfortunately never lived up to it, bit if a hot head and very sadly met his demise back home in a gangland shooting gone wrong, according to reports.

Cifuentes can eithe live upto his hype once he settles or maybe he’s not got the mentality for Europe, like peralta and is moved back to the americas.

Time will tell.