Rangers Banter Archive November 05 2017

05 Nov 2017 21:09:58
Hi Bears. I'm pretty fed up with all the hype concerning McInnes. Yes, he's a not-bad manager but I just can't see him as the man to take us further. My particular preference would be to bring back Robbie Nielson from down south with Murty and KK as his back room team. Any thoughts?

05 Nov 2017 22:51:06
Why Neilson over Mcinnes?

05 Nov 2017 23:04:01
Robbie Neilson. jeeso that's outrageous

06 Nov 2017 00:27:00
To be honest Murty should get it before the two of them as he’s already proved more than once that he’s capable

06 Nov 2017 09:09:09
Part of me is saying what a great shout Neilson is. Suprised he's not been mentioned.

Another part of me however is saying i'm unsure could be risky

To be honest i'm thinking every manager mentioned is risky. Just hope its no mccinness

06 Nov 2017 09:21:16
Agreed as far as McInnes goes. Average coach with very little going for him i'm one of the poorest leagues in Europe. The rest? No.

06 Nov 2017 12:25:40
MK Dons are 16th in League One, hardly a track record to make us want him at Ibrox. No way Jose!

05 Nov 2017 18:35:14
Keep Steve McLaren away from ibrox the man's track record doesn't inspire.

05 Nov 2017 21:36:53
If steve mclaren becomes our next Manager i give up. Our club is being run by diddies. Get a grip rangers!

05 Nov 2017 16:57:41
So noticed that Pena not even in the subs in recent games, is this the close of Mexicans in Govan? Or is he being put through a different "training" schedule?

05 Nov 2017 17:13:43
He’s “injured” apparently

05 Nov 2017 17:45:14
Pished more like it! Lol

05 Nov 2017 18:09:45
Really don't want Steve McClaren🙈

06 Nov 2017 09:02:04
Pena is useless, to think of the money spent on him and herrera could have got us 3 really good players, its sickening. Anyway how impressive has holt been the last two games. I have to admit that I have gave him stick before but he has turned my head. Hope he keeps it up as he has been class.

05 Nov 2017 16:35:22
First the s*n says we’re getting Mcinnis and then within an hour they say it looks like we’re getting Steve Mclaren
I’m sick of the papers printing what they like just to make a sale and earn money they should just tell us the facts when they know it and leave it at that

06 Nov 2017 08:28:54
Is that not there job; to print stuff that will sell?

05 Nov 2017 15:03:05
Perspective. First I admire Graeme Murty and think he has a bright future at Rangers or wherever. It would concern me if he was given the job as this would be another risk, will the board take it?
Honours as player - Championship winner 2005.
Honours as coach/ manager - none
Coach for 5 years.
2012 - 2014 under 16s Southhampton
2014 - 2015 under 16s Norwich
2016 - now Development squad Rangers
Caretaker mgr 8 games Rangers 65%win rate.
Are we saying because the players are smiling and he speaks well is all it takes to be the manager of Rangers. He has little or no experience of managing a football club let alone one of the oldest, biggest and successful in the world. I would hate to see Graeme to be chewed up and spat out. It will be a tried and tested manger whoever that may be. If you think Murty is the man, on what grounds, i'm all ears.

05 Nov 2017 16:15:57
He has done better than all your other managers pro rata and you cannot afford anyone better.

05 Nov 2017 16:24:31
If you're all ears TJBB, would you care to read my post earlier, why murty ticks a helluva lot more boxes than derek mcinnes!

05 Nov 2017 19:26:21
Hi Supcoop. don't take offence, Murty is doing a good job but I fear he will be destroyed in the chaos and the board will not want to take that risk. That is why it has to be a experienced man at the helm. There is more to managing Rangers (I imagine) than just picking and coaching the team. Imagine the scenario if he looses say a couple of games on the trot and Celtic gub us. How do you think the supporters, media and Sutton would react when we had a list of experienced managers to choose from. The new manager must tick all the boxes not just most of them. Number one IMO, Skin of a Rhino. Murty may have that but I don't know as he is untested when the heat is really on. I would love him as part of the first team staff however as he does have something that endears himself to the fans, which is priceless and can't be bought.

05 Nov 2017 20:15:44
I agree TJBB, Murty is an excellent coach, but we need an experienced manager who knows the ins and outs of all aspects of the post. McInnes was a good Gers player and has done well to make the sheep a very strong team and knows the scottish game inside out. For me he would bring stability which we desperately need.

06 Nov 2017 08:30:04
TJBB what he done as a player has no bearing on how good a manager he will be.
Not all great managers had great careers at football and that’s a FACT

06 Nov 2017 17:38:41
I never implied that because he had won nothing he would be a bad manager. You make a very obvious point that goes without saying. I was pointing out his lack of experience as a coach and he has no history of winning anything as a player or coach. We need a manager that's been to finals or won or almost won leagues as a player or coach or manager, they need the experience on how to prepare a team for a high stakes game and the in and outs when you are at the top table. We can't take the risk on somebody learning on the job.

05 Nov 2017 13:05:27
I can't believe the amount of guys wanting Murty as manager.

We are far too big a club to give the reigns to a rookie manager and that is what he would be.

I hear the "knows the club" "knows the players" "talks a good game" etc. etc.

Well remember McCoist and how that turned out.

We need someone that is proven at a big club, and has experience in the transfer market. We cannot make a mistake for the 4th time in a row.

05 Nov 2017 13:30:05
Totally agree Gosman, I just don’t see anyone who meets that criteria being available to us at the moment! With that in mind I see our best option is to keep Murty for now unless good results mean he can’t not be given it on a permenant basis!

05 Nov 2017 13:47:56
A certain Walter Smith was a rookie when sourness left. I'm not saying it would work out the same with murty and I still want McCinness but your thinking is flawed. If he did get it we could do worse. Clearly the players respond to him.

05 Nov 2017 14:30:12
Well said, Royster. He has proven, albeit in the short term, he can do it (the challenge for manager is to sustain their success over time) . I said at the time Pedro ignoring how murts had us playing and drawing against the poppyless, was arrogant and foolish, and it cost us dearly. Any new man coming in, would do well to take heed of what he has achieved.

05 Nov 2017 15:26:46
Maybe it is just me but we played very poor yesterday and miller was playing CDM most of the game. Remember where Partick are in the league. I wouldn’t give Murty the Job it’s far to big a risk, he’s obvs used to working with the youngsters as noway we should be playing with Wilson and Mccrorie at CBs when Alves is fit, plus brings Hardie on when Herrera needs ga e time

05 Nov 2017 16:49:01
Yeh, no way we should be playing with 2 young centre halfs; especially when they have the temerity to be part of a defence that keeps a clean sheet. If hererra was any good, he would have had loads of game time, by now. Even the manager who signed him, wouldn't give him that time. Very poor but won 3-0. Imagine we had managed that a few times last season. So you were right about one thing. It is just you

05 Nov 2017 18:43:10
Must be mate, Wilson to the saviour then. Was a good result and I’d take 3-0 any day playing poorly. I just want to see quality on the pitch that I pay good money to see, like yourself. miller tracking back and sitting in front of the defence and the whole team that can’t break down a defence isn’t quality. just stating that wee were poor yesterday and could have done better in the final 3rd, onwards and upwards

05 Nov 2017 18:51:49
Walter had the added bonus of having worked with the likes of Jim Mclean, Graeme Souness and Alex Ferguson before getting the reigns at Ibrox to be fair. No harm to Murty as he’ll forever be remembered fondly no matter were he ends up in the future but i really think we should go for the tried and tested approach

05 Nov 2017 12:52:50
Since Pedro was pumped there have been a few names banded about. I reckon that there seems to be a 50/ 50 split on McInnes, I would be a No.

I don’t see any rush to bag McInnes, he’s not exactly being coveted by anyone for his outstanding achievements to date.

I would say Murty to remain in the caretaker post at least until after the Aberdeen games and a review carried out. Maybe I’m optimistic but I could quite easily see the table look like this come mid-December:

Celtic
Rangers
Hibs
Aberdeen

McInnes will be available if and when the mighty Glasgow Rangers come calling.

05 Nov 2017 11:59:05
Have to say that I'm underwhelmed by Del if I'm honest. I'm not sure what to think, is he the man to lead us forward or is he a safe bet to stabilise us for a couple of years?
Not having a go, just putting my thoughts out there as I'm sure there are quite a few of us thinking and feeling the same thing.

05 Nov 2017 12:08:44
Think he will do well and knows what's required . after all he's been plotting tactics against us so knows strengths/ weaknesses . Think he can hit the ground running without wholesale change . just my opinion. a lot of people were underwhelmed with Walter Smith . he soon changed opinion!

05 Nov 2017 12:15:45
100% Cletus, I honestly believe the ship is pretty steady at present and the next appointment needs to be able to push on and for that there will need to be significant funds put their way. For me McIness will no doubt get 2nd comfortably for the next couple of years which is fine but I also believe Murty could do this, McLiesh could do this, most managers could do it with the budget and players available.

We NEED to be qualifying for the Europa League ASAP and McInnes is surely a risky appointment having never achieved this. Also his knowledge of players seem to be limited to the British market, we’ve been down this route before. For players of a certain level then Rangers is the biggest move of their career and I really believe we need players who are looking to advance their careers via Rangers.

05 Nov 2017 12:24:10
Just my opinion guys but from my own personal point of view, graeme murty ticks a lot more boxes than derek mcinnes, to become the 17th manager of glasgow rangers, here's why! Graeme murty is already employed with us, he knows our structure and full set up from youths all the way through to the 1st team, he has tactical nous, he has players wanting to run through brick walls for him, the players like him, he's a good coach who CAN work under our DOF mark allen, there's no 800k compensation to fork out! Onto derek mcinnes, he IMHO only has 1 thing up on murty, he's a more experienced manager, having managed st. johnstone, bristol city and now aberdeen! I've given u all the info here guys, u choose! Its a no brainer for me! Give murty the job until christmas, if our upturn on form continues, then at the beginning of january, give murty a 12 month rolling contract! No risk here as far as i'm concerned!

05 Nov 2017 12:33:20
I'm kind of non plussed if McInnes gets the job. The prospect of him hardly excites but given a chance I believe he is capable of doing a good job.

I'm not stating this as a reason to sign him but I think Aberdeen will be weaker without him. Which I guess is a positive.

It goes without saying (and has been said countless times already) but whoever gets the jobs we should all get behind him 100%.

05 Nov 2017 12:46:56
Watching Mboro v Sunderland James taverniers brother playing for boro looks decent scored first goal.

05 Nov 2017 13:08:50
I agree supercoop if macinnis gets job I would give him my full backing but I would rather have Murty.

05 Nov 2017 11:27:28
Right i am prepared for the verbal onslaught for what i'm about to say.

Graeme Murty give the man the job. Honestly. Not just because he's won 2 games. He has got that team absolutely buzzing. But most importantly i seen his post match interview and he sounds like a Rangers manager. He knows what it takes to play for the Rangers and he can get that message across to the players.

I know some of you will shoot me down and call for mcciness or pardew or even mcleish which is your opinion and fair enough.

Thoughts?

05 Nov 2017 11:59:25
I completely agree with you! Well said. Knows what the club's about, knows the players and won't cost a million.

05 Nov 2017 12:43:18
IF the Board are thinking about giving it to Murty then the best thing to do is keep him in the role as Caretaker at least until Dec/ Jan as he can then have a fair crack at it and the Club is protecting ITSELF from making a decision that could go either way to be totally honest.
I like Murty but really do not think that taking the Rangers Job as his FIRST full time Top Position is a wise move.
I really do think that we require a Manager who has experience on a few levels. Murty is definitely the man to take charge of the Team for 4-5 games and I truly think that suits him.
McInnes or Wright either one of these Men will secure 2nd and both also have the SKILLS to really challenge if the funds are made available to bring in the right Players at the right time!

05 Nov 2017 13:41:34
The players seemed to be enjoying themselves again in the Thistle match. PC did not have the backing of the players he signed and that says it all about his man management skills. Murty has restored morale and it is showing on the park. Whether this is enough to land him the job permanently time will tell. The more games he wins the better are his chances but he would need a strong right hand man like Bomber Brown to keep the dressing room in check.

05 Nov 2017 14:44:13
Totally agree. Der goalie 1

05 Nov 2017 02:16:46
Bears what's the thougts on Halliday. Forrester. O'Halloran and Dodoo under the new Manager? If McInnes or Wright do you think that due to the fact he knows them to a certain degree he will still want to get shot of them or will he keep them on their return from loan if they come back Dec/ Jan or will he or should he send them back out on loan or will he not mess about with trying to evaluate them and accept a bid to build his Transfer Kitty?
One things for sure O'Halloran will be chuffed and Halliday will be thinking that this is his last chance to come back to Ibrox and try to impress the new Manager in Training!

05 Nov 2017 08:57:27
Regardless who the new manager is none of them other than dodoo should get another chance, simple reason they're not good enough. Dodoo played as a striker could have a future

05 Nov 2017 11:37:12
Thoughts on them quite simple not nearly good enough

05 Nov 2017 11:38:13
Halliday and forrester are a waste of space, ohal maybe and dodoo I doubt it.

05 Nov 2017 11:40:29
None of them are good enough

05 Nov 2017 11:43:55
Jzer

Different managers can get different things out of players. I think all these players deserve a chance under the new Manager

05 Nov 2017 11:54:18
Your right mate different managers can get different things from players but the fact remains that they are not good enough

05 Nov 2017 12:47:15
None of them are good enough and dodoo is proving to be the worst of the bunch if you go on how he is playing out on loan.

05 Nov 2017 00:07:57
Was at the game today. Left at 60 mins. had a fair idea by then that we would drop effort. To be fair I had a fireworks display to attend with my daughter. Our right hand side is great. Our left is a player short. Windass for me, even tho he scored is a weak link. Millers passing at times was shocking but no issue with his effort. Mcrorie for me is fantastic. Anyway what i really liked was positioning and our runs into space. Pulled PT all over the place. Holt impressed me. I seen a team that will finish 2nd. Hate saying it but that will do me!

04 Nov 2017 22:49:24
Hardly a fantastic result for Derek McIness today, I honestly can’t see the need to pay £800k to release him. Murty in my opinion is as safe a pair of hands as DM. If we are setting our targets in the short term as securing 2nd place in the league I firmly believe that Murty could deliver this especially if we spent half the £800k on Louis Moult.

I completely agree that the media stuff with Murty have been a breath of fresh air. He speaks with sense, pride and passion.

Derek McInnes has always struck me as someone who thinks he is better than he is.

He has won very little and has only taken Aberdeen to exactly where they should be with budget available.

I have no doubt he will do the same with Rangers but this will only ever be 2nd with him I fear and I also worry about the Europa League, this represents the best chance for some excitement for us as fans and for some much needed revenue for better players. He has zero experience in qualifying for it.

Basically I would stick with Murty for now in Caretaker role until an outstanding candidate becomes interested/ available and if Murty goes on a run that makes him deserving of the position then we make it permenant.

05 Nov 2017 06:58:24
Wee Bear I like Murty but I really don't think that the Man actually wants the Position Full Time! He hasn't said in any interviews that he would like to take on the Job Fulk Time. In my opinion he's happy knowing that he's in charge for the next few games. Again I do like Murty and taking up a Managers Position is something he will do in the future but I get the feeling that he doesn't want the Position right now! I could be wrong tho.

05 Nov 2017 07:06:40
I echo everything wee_bear says! Graeme murty like i've said on here numerous times, since caixinha was sacked, is a better appointment, as our next manager, than derek mcinnes! By the way andy1872,graeme murty has now said he does want to become the glasgow rangers manager, PERMANENTLY!

05 Nov 2017 08:42:18
Graeme Murty obviously knows football. He fits in well at Ibrox and appears to have the respect of the players. He speaks well in interview and obviously is well thought of by the board. He is well aware of the talent in our younger sides and seems to trust youth. I would be very happy if he was our next manager. Although he doesn’t have vast experience as a manager neither did Walter when he took over.

05 Nov 2017 10:48:15
Given the financial restrictions on the club right now surely it would be worth giving Murty the job until the end of the season at least? We are only two unfortunate results off being top of the league - the Hibs defeat (10 men for much of the game) and the farcical Kilmarnock draw. That's 4 points. Also, we've scored only 2 goals less than the manky mob. McInnes isn't anything special as a manager nor was he exactly a great player either. Brenda's bubble will burst soon enough as it did with Liverpool and Swansea and all clubs, including them, will hit a dodgy spell. My granny could have managed Liverpool to the league when they had Suarez and Gerrard in the team. Anyway, back to us and I'd say don't rush off and get McInnes because I can't see him being the answer. Give Murty the job NOW!

05 Nov 2017 11:46:09
McInnes to me a is safe appointment that would cost money. Murty to me has also shown he is a safe, good option who is already at the club, knows the players and isn't afraid to give youth a chance.