Rangers Transfer Rumours

17 Apr 2026 18:12:00
Bluebear i have not heard of any concrete interest in Frederick Sjøvold although there has been murmers.

Very versatile young man and an exceptional talent but i think may be out our reach financially if we are wanting to strengthen other areas also.

Bodø will likely be wanting in excess of €13 million.


I do feel that Diogo Travossos or Hampus Skoglund would be better value and would allow us to spend in other areas of the field.

17 Apr 2026 20:54:00
Definitely wouldn't take a Bodo Glimt player

Too many of them leave, play poorly and head straight back to Bodo.

17 Apr 2026 21:06:21
Who would you want, Rangers 06?

You do not seem to have a positive thing to say about any potential target.

17 Apr 2026 21:07:12
The very fact they want to go back is purely due to the man management skills of Kjetil Knutsen.

He creates an atmosphere that players want to play in.

17 Apr 2026 21:58:25
Fair observation. But I think, when you look at the players who have left Bodo to a good level, the majority of them haven't been great, few exceptions, obviously.

Victor Boniface
Hugo Veltessen

After that the rest have been unimpressive.

If there are a few more success stories in recent times, then my bad, but too much risk with Bodo players imo.

17 Apr 2026 22:38:06
Apparently Arsenal want Hague.

17 Apr 2026 22:42:58
Agree with you both here! Think Bodo are so impressive purely down to the way they are managed and not necessarily because they have a team full of quality players. Don't get me wrong, though, they do have a few players I think would thrive in the top 5 leagues. Saw a lot of Sjovold this season and last in Europe and for me he's excellent going forward, but his defensive capabilities leave a lot to be desired. He has a mistake in him for sure (a bit like Tav.

😅). Valued at £10mil, you would want a complete RB for that kind of money, someone who can defend as well as create. The young Swansea player Lissah (on loan at Falkirk) would be worth a punt in my opinion, Chelsea and now Swansea youth player, as well as Czech Republic U21 international. He's been tremendous for Falkirk this season. Defensively solid (he's 6ft 2!), creative and excellent going forward, very good on the ball and wouldn't break the bank at 1mil.

16 Apr 2026 20:53:36
Iv no idea how reliable but Rangers news say an option for Olson is unlikely by the club and Moore could happen on another loan if spurs stay in the PL. They suggest as many as 11 players could depart this summer

16 Apr 2026 22:00:59
Cornelius, Aaron's, Meghoma, Dijga, Moore, Skov?, Tav, Davies, Cortes, Danilo, Cifuentes, Bajrami, before u even go into the ones that will have lots of interest in them like Chermiti, Gassama, Manny.

16 Apr 2026 22:10:11
Moore won't be back OWS. Just check the video Spurs' channel put out on YT abit ago where they follow him about and he talks. It's clear as day he won't be returning.

16 Apr 2026 23:14:51
Olson has done very little to justify the money being talked ( & that's for a few years now!)
Moore will either be Spurs' 1st team squad or a high Championship loan.
We need to get real here, guys.

17 Apr 2026 07:21:12
I know before Coventry City were wanting Mikey Moore on loan before we managed to get him. 🤔

17 Apr 2026 08:47:35
Seen a lot of people referring to the Spurs video on Mickey. The lads never going to turn round in a promo video and say "I want to stay at Rangers next season". If anything, the Colab between the 2 clubs shows how good the relationship is, and how we stand as good a chance of getting him on loan for another season as any other team, if that's the next step for him.

Can't be dismissing the idea purely based on the fact he released a promo video for the club he is employed to promote.

17 Apr 2026 09:29:15
Let's not forget, if we win the league and go into the Champions League group stages, that will be a massive pull for Moore, and Spurs, too, will see the benefits of him playing in the Champions League, and with the £30 Million and the £16 Million already put aside for next season we could have an amazing team.

Why would he not want to part of that and a Championship team, I get if Spurs get relegated that he will go back so let's just hope that they win a couple of games and stay up.

17 Apr 2026 09:36:38
Have you even watched the video, Amo? I did, and I never said he dismissed joining us again, but that's just from listening to the lad. He wants to be playing at a higher level, as he stated multiple times in said video.

Plus, to be honest, unless we are able to buy him for a reasonable fee, then I don't want him back.

He has been good, but his numbers aren't all that (granted he is 18 and inconsistent). But I'd much rather we develop our own young players and not relegation candidates from the EPL.

17 Apr 2026 10:26:03
He's talking to a Spurs channel. I would expect him, every day of the week, to say what he said, Blue Jim. I don't think he will be back, but I wouldn't go with what he said any more than what he would say in a Rangers channel.

I would say it's 10% he comes back, and it could be last day of window if he dies.

17 Apr 2026 10:59:15
Will the new manager want him too, depending on what league they are in? How many managers have they had since he last played for them?

17 Apr 2026 12:42:07
Rangers News is a nonsense click bait site with no reliable insight into Rangers at all. In this case, they have written an article that anybody with a keyboard could have put together. 6 loanees unlikely to stay, and 5 players out on loan that we are unlikely to want to keep.

That is up to 11 without even looking at players still around the squad, like Tav and Rice, who are out of contract, and Bajrami, who does not feature if everyone is fit. Good clickbait headline, though, in a week when all is quiet on the football front.

17 Apr 2026 12:43:45
I have BBJ, it was pretty good tbh. Was a good watch. I just thought it was a bit dismissive to say he "won't be back" when no-one knows what will be happening with him yet, probably not even Mickey tbh.

If Spurs do decide on another loan, we'd be pretty high on the list for them & he'd be high on our list to keep.



Appreciate your opinion, pal. Wasn't calling that out.

P.S. Rangers is a higher level than Spurs, that's what he meant. ;)

17 Apr 2026 13:05:26
BBJ, I said this a few
weeks ago, from reading the comments he made in the paper as well, mate.

He absolutely won't be back, mate, you're right.

17 Apr 2026 13:54:23
Mikey Moore literally said in a presser, "If it's right for me, I'd love to be here next season."

17 Apr 2026 14:24:38
Go watch the video in question, Hagi, and see what u think, mate.

17 Apr 2026 14:34:30
We all know Moore loves Rangers now, but he's also wanting to play his football at the best level he can. If they go straight into the Champions League, that could maybe change his thinking, but the final decision is Tottenham's.
Stevie, I did watch his video mate.

17 Apr 2026 14:41:37
If we not they.

17 Apr 2026 14:54:17
Amo, I know that bud, and appreciate everyone deciphers things differently. I just don't want him back on loan, but if a full time deal can be done I'd be all for it.

Mystar, I actually agree that if we get ECL, that could change his thinking, but again it would only be a permanent deal for me as I don't want any more loan players.

Sick of liking what they do for us only to vanish without us making cash off of them.

17 Apr 2026 15:49:19
Swsobe, I live in the Coventry area, and there is also local talk that Coventry City are also after the Sheff Weds goalie that we've reportedly shown an interest in.

17 Apr 2026 16:45:52
Beale, we can only hope for the he's re Moore, mate.

I feel if we could get him next season he'd really show an improvement in his numbers next season.

17 Apr 2026 17:59:34
It wouldn't surprise me, Scotty, as Pierce Charles is a very talented, young goalkeeper mate. 👌

17 Apr 2026 19:51:36
Sws, Did you watch the highlights from the Leicester game, mate?

17 Apr 2026 21:14:20
Little bits I've heard is that the Club are still planning on bringing Olsen permanently and that Olsen wants the move.

Unless there's some sort of fallout with the player himself or the Board pull the deal, he's ours.



I think he will be a much better player come next season. I understand that doesn't help the here and now, but plenty of players have started poorly for us and plenty more will.

17 Apr 2026 21:26:35
Cal, I expect that to be the result also.

17 Apr 2026 21:56:55
Aphelion, have you heard any more on the fee of Skov Olsen being reduced if Wolfsburg get relegated?

17 Apr 2026 22:07:25
Only what I reported previously, 5watp5.

17 Apr 2026 22:18:38
That's Coventry promoted.

17 Apr 2026 22:46:51
Cal, has that not been said on here multiple times?

16 Apr 2026 16:25:26
Heard Rangers have requested two tickets for their chief scout to watch Hearts B v Cowdenbeath on Saturday. Hearts B centre half the focus I believe.

16 Apr 2026 18:25:10
Good info, we also were interested in McNeekin and Dow, not sure who Ch is.

16 Apr 2026 19:15:36
Cheers, Colonel. 👍

16 Apr 2026 19:28:55
Thanks for the information, Colonel.

16 Apr 2026 19:39:46
Lucas Smith? Kai Smutek?

16 Apr 2026 19:40:47
Both Scottish btw. 👍

16 Apr 2026 19:48:22
Smutek, Bonnyrigg, Hamilton, HeartsB think it's this lad or Euan Glasgow both are CH's, Lucas Smith is a LB/MF.

16 Apr 2026 20:22:28
A cracking top! Love the colour of blue they used with a real shine to it.

16 Apr 2026 20:38:42
Is that the lad who's 17? Linked with a few top English clubs, can't mind his name.

16 Apr 2026 23:00:56
I'm honestly almost at the point of not seeing the point in going for B team players until something is done about the structure up here. They may be good, but let them play and pick them up when they're more ready, like Graham could be.

16 Apr 2026 23:26:40
Multi year development loans is the solution short term imo.

17 Apr 2026 07:24:58
Kaiser, if we don't, our euro squad is reduced to 17.

17 Apr 2026 10:22:56
We are watching centre back Alfie Osborne, however, it'll take a minor miracle for us to sign him as Brighton are firm favourites for his signature.

Slightly younger than Alfie is Peter Kellock, who has already rejected a move to Man U, but is expected to move down south in the summer.



Stevie, I assume you are talking about McMeekin, who has already signed for Man City.

17 Apr 2026 13:08:27
Ehl, yes mate, that's the one. 👍🏻 Don't know a lot about him other than he's very highly rated and started as a mf.

17 Apr 2026 13:08:55
Alfie Osbourne and m saying is the one I meant mate.

17 Apr 2026 14:00:39
Ehl, Hearts have a few cracking academy players, the lad McMeekin can go all the way.

Seen him many times.

17 Apr 2026 14:45:55
John, the Hearts youth pathway has really flourished due to the collaboration between the club and Scottish Rugby.

The facilities at Scotland's Sports Performance Centre (Oriam), not just in terms of equipment but mainly in terms of expertise (coaching, nutrition, and athletic performance), are incredible.

We (sorry, have to say We, in this context) have been working hard on developing a new player development pathway called 'The Hearts Way' that leans heavily on learning from Scottish Rugby - that I believe will make Hearts the standout youth system in the country.



If it's not something you're familiar with, I'd recommend reading up on it as it's pretty impressive.

17 Apr 2026 16:06:12
A close friend's grandson is in the academy at Hearts. Although likely to head south.

16 Apr 2026 16:20:19
I saw a picture not long ago there of what's allegedly our new home jersey for next season 🤔 Very retro, plain traditional and i really like it 👌 Very similar to our home shirt we wore in the 1984 league cup final, when super ally scored a hat-trick against Celtic 🤔The only difference i see is in the 1984 shirt the pinstripes were white and in this new home shirt, the pinstripes look a lighter blue 🤔🇬🇧

16 Apr 2026 21:08:31
That sounds like a belter. Thanks SWS.

16 Apr 2026 21:16:43
One of my fav tops and my first Old Firm game. Remember it like yesterday, but can't remember last week half the time.

16 Apr 2026 23:02:56
I like the retro look much better than some of the tops going around.

16 Apr 2026 23:17:33
Was that the hat trick, when he was just about to be let go & was due a 'chat' about his contract? 🤣🤣

17 Apr 2026 07:47:25
Sir Walter, that was a fan concept kit, outed by various Rangers pages as fake mate. I do think the next kit will go down a retro route though, Umbro is good at that.

And as far as I'd read, Red Bull was meant to be the main sponsor next year too but there's been so much BS said with regards to them that you don't know what to believe!

17 Apr 2026 14:35:16
Irvine, who said Red Bull were to be front of shirt sponsor?

What have you heard in regards to Red Bull?

I am not having a go, I would just like to compare what you have heard and read to the information I have regarding Red Bull.

17 Apr 2026 16:09:23
Irvine, at no time have I read on here that the front of shirt sponsor would be Red Bull.

A few posters have indicated they would like that, but I have not read anyone saying a deal was done.

17 Apr 2026 16:22:17
Correct, John, I have spoken about Red Bull in a lot of detail over the past year.
At no point have I ever said this and I do not recall seeing anyone say this.

16 Apr 2026 12:04:34
Not posted in a while. 2 things I am aware of and can only say so much this time.

1. A plan is now made if Rangers win the leauge regarding fans celebrating the trophy back at Ibrox. Not only would the stadium be used of course but also fan base zones around the stadium. Love this, really positive we have a leader who wants all to be involved if we win the leauge.

2. Budgets for repairs, improving stadium are already set for 2026 to 2027. However if we get straight into champions leauge oh my, talk about speeding things up.

All positive fellow bears. I always ask any transfer information but get nothing but hopefully my insight you enjoy.

16 Apr 2026 13:36:39
Thanks very much WATP. Always appreciate your contributions.

16 Apr 2026 13:48:47
Sounds like the club is heading in the right direction on and off the park.

16 Apr 2026 13:57:03
MPH, we definitely are. The "family" is in for the long term.

16 Apr 2026 15:01:17
It's good to see Aph.
That on the park isn't getting abandoned for off field necessities and vice versa.

16 Apr 2026 15:48:23
Would celebrations be last day of season,
With other mob at home, sure police will have something to say. Any investment in stadium always welcome, investment in players, we can't rest on our laurels, so this is must.

16 Apr 2026 16:19:34
If we won league on last day of season, Teddy fans will head to Ibrox anyway, so better to get them in ground with some organisation. By time team back, celebrations etc, then Celtic fans should be mostly home, etc.

All ifs and buts just now, but club should be thinking of different outcomes, even winning at Ibrox against Hibs in midweek before, but a lot of work to do before hand.

16 Apr 2026 18:22:58
Aph, I have seen you say the Family a few times. Can you please explain what you mean when you say this? And, to yourself and all posters, thanks for the insights, it's great to see the positivity around our club.

16 Apr 2026 18:46:38
Frustrated, sorry I will explain.

In the infancy of the takeover, Andrew Cavanagh made it clear his intention was to create a family of like-minded investors.

This approach allows for the project to incorporate a multitude of investors who believe in the project, and each have significant capital.

Almost all new investors have substantially more capital than the previous regime, therefore safeguarding the club.

16 Apr 2026 19:20:33
Thanks so much, Aph. I wasn't sure if it was something like mentioned or the family that own the 49ers.

It's great to hear that all new investors are very wealthy and I am sure AC wouldn't bring them to the project if they didn't share his long term view and passion.



AC is quietly doing all the right things, and it's great to see. I always try and keep my excitement in check, but it's hard with how things are going.

16 Apr 2026 19:57:10
Yo may have to change your user name soon, Frustrated. 👍🏻

16 Apr 2026 20:25:10
Lol! Brilliant, MarcoVG.

16 Apr 2026 20:47:46
100% Mvg.

16 Apr 2026 07:41:02
Just read a report that we're looking at Hampus Skogland from Hammarby as a potential replacement for Tav.

16 Apr 2026 08:58:56
Not for me personally.

16 Apr 2026 09:25:13
Rangers, what reason would we not want him? u seen him play much?

16 Apr 2026 10:10:52
The boy has potential. Quick going forward and can defend. Likes the physical side of the game. Could be one for development. Rangers are very active in scandi market at moment. This week included where I will be at the game tomorrow night.

16 Apr 2026 12:03:23
Reading that Luke Graham (can't remember who, but someone said on here this is a definite no no) and an RB are our No1 priorities in the summer. Expect us to sell Big Manny as there's too much interest in him, Ajax the latest team mentioned as monitoring him.

16 Apr 2026 12:07:06
Jolliboy. Outstanding player and one I have spoken about at length over last few months.

16 Apr 2026 12:23:55
Rwn, I said regarding Graham that I have a mate that knows the family and his proffered move is down south.

16 Apr 2026 13:08:33
Rwn, Ajax couldn't afford Fernandez.

16 Apr 2026 14:57:14
Mystar, they could probs afford him, but they refuse to go down the big spend route, i.e. sign young & cheap, develop & sell for millions, they've done ok over the years.

16 Apr 2026 16:15:39
Bar, It's all top clubs interested in Fernandez, not saying Ajax ain't a top club, but it's the big boys interested in him.
Think he'll break the Scottish transfer record, I'm only hoping it's summer 2027.

16 Apr 2026 16:23:11
The club seem to be planning not just for summer but well down the road, great feeling to have confidence in owners going forward who are going to take us to the top and keep us there.

16 Apr 2026 16:27:07
@John2572
Yes.

He's not exactly bad I just think we can fine a better replacement to what Tav brought to the squad.

But that's just my opinion.

Looking at stats, the hard facts,

0.17 assists per 90
0.12 expected assists per 90
83% pass succession

Defensively he has some decent stats tbf.

Ground dules

6.97 per 90
57% win success in them

Also gets 3.29 tackles again which is quite good tbf.



BUT

Poor at intercepting passes.
Doesn't make that much overall defensive contributions.
Very poor crosser as well.
Poor in terms of creating assists.
Can't play a quality long ball consistently.
Created one chance a game per 90.
Is a poor dribbler.
Rubbish in the air.


Got 4 assists last year, not horrible on paper. He got 3 in one game.


Not for me, we can find better.

16 Apr 2026 16:49:42
Have you actually watched him play, or just working on stats, Rangers06?

16 Apr 2026 16:51:44
I certainly believe he would be a more than able long term replacement.

I don't know what matches you are watching, Rangers 06, but certainly not the ones I am watching.

He is very much in the same mould as Rommens.

16 Apr 2026 17:03:15
Sorry, I just read back, so you have seen him play, I'm fine with that, I thought it was another of working on stats, because that doesn't tell the full story.

16 Apr 2026 17:07:55
06, cheers for reply.

Alphe, I'm told a right sided Rommens, but I understand not first choice.

16 Apr 2026 17:29:17
Yes John, I understand that Diogo Travossos remains primary target although I would be delighted if Hampus was the one signed.

I understand interest remains in Felix Beijmo to provide added experience and leadership if Sterling is to leave also.

I would be more than happy for the position to be given to an experienced SPFL right back if one is good enough.

16 Apr 2026 18:18:05
Yep, Alphe.

16 Apr 2026 19:29:42
Are Rangers not setting the price for Manny at £35million?

17 Apr 2026 12:11:26
Fredrick Sjovold is the number one target for RB. 💙

15 Apr 2026 17:18:40
Interesting to see veerman, Djiga agent at training camp today.

15 Apr 2026 18:08:41
I absolutely expect us to bid for Djiga and I do think he will be a Rangers player next season. I'd expect him to cost £7m with maybe an extra million n add ins and a 20% sell on.

That's what I think will happen there.

Interesting to see u mention Veerman John.

15 Apr 2026 18:28:01
Veerman spat the dummy when we put him out, did he not?

15 Apr 2026 18:35:35
I'd imagine for someone else or Djiga, we couldn't afford Veerman and if Wolves go down they'll probably want to keep Djiga.

With the recruitment team and board going over too, I'd imagine it'll be a very busy week.

15 Apr 2026 19:18:21
Watp, I'm not so sure Djiga will be in their plans.

They're more likely to keep most of their squad together and hope to bounce back up rather than sell all their players and make a new team.

15 Apr 2026 19:19:38
Not Joey veteran who is valued at 25m. Djiga's agent is a guy called Veerman.

15 Apr 2026 19:38:58
Djiga isn't worth £7m in my opinion. If that's the price we should walk away.

15 Apr 2026 19:48:59
Exactly, Huey.

15 Apr 2026 20:33:02
He seems to be his biggest client, so I would take it as positive that he is there. I'd be really happy if we could get Djiga and think he would be worth around 8m. Thanks for the info, John.

15 Apr 2026 20:44:36
Huey, agent is obviously there to meet our people.

15 Apr 2026 21:32:46
Would be surprised Wolves would accept a loss on him after what some say is a successful loan.

15 Apr 2026 21:38:54
John, fair enough mate, I've interpreted u wrong, sorry.

Yeah I'd say £8m too.

They paid £10m n I think got £2m back for his loan, so £8m gives them a clean slate.

16 Apr 2026 00:12:51
He is not worth 7 or 8 mil. We should only be buying players we can make a profit on, or cheap enough, with a ton of experience, and we can take a hit.

He is neither at that price. 4+ a sell on for me. We got Mani for half of that proposed fee, and could go for 20-30, depending on who comes in for perspective.

16 Apr 2026 01:08:15
He'll be a £15-20 m defender in 2 years, mate.

16 Apr 2026 02:00:13
8 million for Djiga is crazy. Are you guys forgetting how bad he's been at times this season? He's single-handedly cost us at least 4 points, maybe more. Yes, he's been better under Rohl at times, but a few good games doesn't warrant becoming our joint second highest transfer fee for a player who probably isn't even in the top 20 centre halves of the last 20 years.

16 Apr 2026 02:40:57
Can Dijk was cery ooor for Celtic in his first season.

Shocked when he made it to Liverpool, I couldn't believe it.

Amoruso, Gough, Butcher, Moore, even Frank de Boer all had a howler in them for Rangers.

Rio Ferdinand was a total scare at West Ham and Leeds, and when he went to Man United he just became an expert defender.

All defenders make massive mistakes in their 20-27 years, then they become solid.

Look at Pique and even Puyol was so bad he got moved to right back.

Ramos was a ticking bomb at Seville and even at Madrid he was forced to right back.



Once a defender gets to 25+ they move to centre half and u see what they're going to be.

I'd say Djiga is better at this age than Craig Moore was at same age.

Who else? Carragher. Hyppia, Ledley King.

Wood Gate, Johnny Evans, Komoany played mf cause he was too erratic and was good for a big mistake at younger age.

Djiga is going to be a monster of a defender, trust me I put my name on it same as I done with Chermiti.

{Ed001's Note - Rio was excellent for Leeds.}

16 Apr 2026 08:44:04
Djiga is criminally underrated, beside Manny, with a good pre-season and someone else of their ilk in there that'll be a formidable partnership for seasons to come. Aye, he was absolutely shot of confidence at the start of the season, but remember he was playing under Martin, partnered with Souttar, who's been absolutely howling, and, into the mix, his full backs were a child, and the now "legs move in an ancient fashion" Tav.

16 Apr 2026 09:25:03
Ed he was a typical young centre half. Made a lot a mistakes ues he showed his class and ability but made a lot of mistakes

{Ed001's Note - at the Hammers, yes. At Leeds he turned into a top class centre half.}

16 Apr 2026 13:20:36
Fair enough, mate, I couldn't argue with that. There is £35m reasons not to lol.

{Ed001's Note - that is why they paid it, he was the key player for them.}

16 Apr 2026 14:14:27
Actually thought Woodgate was the better defender before he went to Madrid.

{Ed001's Note - I was not as impressed by him, he was quick but brainless. Also a racist thug who got booted from Boro youth because of the violent acts he was involved in as a kid with his thuggish mates. It was no surprise what he did to that Asian lad, especially linking up with Bowyer, who had previous for racist assaults on Asians.}

16 Apr 2026 15:17:18
Yea Ed he was a scumbag I had forgot about that.

{Ed001's Note - there was a lot covered up about him as a youngster, before that night happened.}

16 Apr 2026 20:44:33
Djiga is worth £8m. But we will be able to get him for less as Wolves will be relegated.

Some need to realise that Cavanagh is not afraid of spending. Not recklessly! It's clear to see Djiga is exactly where we should be looking, and the money we should be spending if we have desires to sit at the CL table.

Football has moved on, and thus far left us behind.

As for this myth that Djiga was honking, I think you need to look back.

Some need to understand that players don't come with perfection. Our current squad is as young as it's ever been. So mistakes will happen and form will dip.

If we want to become bigger and better, then 'small' risks such as this will be required & taken.



Cavanagh and Co are the real deal. How Cavanagh has dealt with early mistakes is impressive, and he has only shown, to me, that he gets it. He's here so much more and invested emotionally as well as financially.

Even if we miss becoming champions this season. They will not shy away from making bold decisions to ensure next season is nothing but victory on and off the park.

It's understandable to be cautious. We have seen & heard it all before. Let's be honest about that.

This is different. It feels so much more than anything ever before.

So if this board want to spend £8m on Djiga or anyone else, then I trust every single move.

A new age is definitely upon us and I'm loving it!

17 Apr 2026 09:26:41
Good post Gdog, I agree that AC is leading the way forward, a bright future.

17 Apr 2026 10:19:53
Ferguson said Rio was best defender he coached

Woodgate was/is a cockroach

17 Apr 2026 14:03:17
I'm sure Woodgate, on his debut for Madrid, scored an o.g. and got sent off! He may even have scored 2 o.g's and got sent off, can't remember, but I'm sure it was one of the worst debuts in history.

{Ed001's Note - you are correct.}